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Channel log from 11 November 2006 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:35 | * bintut waves to all... | |
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| 01:59 | <bintut> anyone here uses ubuntu edgy eft x86/amd as the ltsp server?
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| 02:12 | <bintut> anyone here uses ubuntu edgy eft x86/amd64 as the ltsp server? i can't install ltsp-client here. ubuntu edgy eft has a different ltsp package formats from the usual ltsp packages 3.x to 4.x
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| 02:14 | this doesn't have an ltspadmin
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| 05:20 | <pani_alex> have a problem
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| 05:21 | my ltsp client boots but don't display anizing, since that is in 1024 and don't suport it
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| 05:22 | i have edited the lts.conf and put the mac addres of the client and X_MODE_0 = 800x600 65
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| 05:23 | is thise rigth
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| 05:23 | ?
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| 05:23 | what else can i do
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| 05:23 | ?
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| 08:22 | <chupacabra> is there any good linux point of sale software?
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| 10:27 | <patrickb> help needed with USBkeys....i have them mounting...the icon appears on the screen...but when i open the icon there is no data altho i know there is data on the stick....where am i going wrong?
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| 10:32 | <jammcq> hey kids
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| 10:34 | <patrickb> hi Jammcq
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| 10:36 | <jammcq> hey
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| 10:37 | <patrickb> a question for you...if you cannot help who can?
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| 10:37 | i have them mounting...the icon appears on the screen...but when i open the icon there is no data altho i know there is data on the stick....where am i going wrong?
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| 10:37 | <jammcq> sounds like a FUSE problem
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| 10:37 | what distro?
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| 10:38 | <patrickb> SuSE 10.1
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| 10:39 | <jammcq> hmm, have you been through the troubleshooting document on the wiki?
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| 10:39 | <patrickb> yea...that is how i got as far as i have
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| 10:40 | <jammcq> that should have pinpointed where the problem is
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| 10:45 | <patrickb> step 10 is giving an IP address rather than a host name...that shouldn't make a difference?
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| 10:45 | <jammcq> umm, dunno
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| 10:45 | is the workstation listed in /etc/hosts ?
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| 10:45 | <patrickb> yea...
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| 10:45 | and in local DNS
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| 10:46 | <jammcq> welp, you prolly need to talk to sbalneav. problem is, he's on a plane right now
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| 10:46 | I suggest you go through the steps again, and record your results to each step, and email it to sbalneav@ltsp.org
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| 10:46 | that's the best way to give him the info he needs to diagnose the problem
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| 10:48 | <patrickb> ok will do cheers
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| 10:52 | <joebaker> You mentioned /etc/hosts earlier. There is both /etc/hosts on the LTSP server and in the exported home directory of the thin clients as will right?
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| 10:52 | <jammcq> the one on the host server is the important one
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| 10:52 | <joebaker> ok.
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| 10:52 | Wow Am I starting to see chatter on the gconfd mailing list.
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| 10:53 | <jammcq> h3h
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| 10:53 | err, heh
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| 10:53 | <joebaker> I've been subscribed to it for over a year .
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| 10:54 | Hopefully it will evolve to something that works for the LTSP local apps.
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| 10:55 | <jammcq> i've noticed over the past year or so, we're getting some real attention from other projects, like Gnome and KDE and Pulseaudio
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| 10:55 | there's a study somewhere that says 36% of all Gnome deployments are on thin clients
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| 10:56 | <joebaker> I hope I didn't sidetrack any other important issues. Oh, one other very important issue I'm seeing is that there doesn't seem to be a tmp directory in my home directory on an edgy based ubuntu system. The Gconfd directory is in /tmp. Although I think this can be changed in /etc/ somewhere.
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| 10:57 | <patrickb> and so you shoudl have the attention....i first looked into LTSP at ver 3...I wanted to deploy it in a local school but wouldn't allow it. it has come along way since then and I am now looking at deplying at home for my kids
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| 10:57 | <jammcq> why would there be a tmp dir in your home dir?
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| 10:59 | <joebaker> I talked to somebody from Mandriva once who moved the gconfd directory to /home/user/tmp/gconfd-user so that it could be shared out over nfs.
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| 11:00 | Sharing /tmp over nfs amoung many machines is very wierd.
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| 11:00 | I've done it :)
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| 11:07 | I don't recommend it.
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| 11:41 | <rjune> jammcq: howdy
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| 12:00 | <joebaker> Hi rjune
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| 12:00 | <rjune> what's new?
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| 12:01 | <joebaker> I managed to participate in the local apps disucssion recently. I mentioned the need for Gconfd to accept communications via TCP
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| 12:01 | You did alot of the work on LTSP sound if I recall correctly.
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| 12:03 | I'll be walking away from the computer soon. So I apologize if I don't have time to say goodbye.
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| 15:37 | <cliebow> heh: first time trying muekow.ubuntu..right straight to a login screen...it is oversize the cause the lcd is quirky..but pretty awesome just the same
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| 15:43 | <jammcq> hey chuck
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| 15:46 | <cliebow> hi!!!!!!!!!..Very impressive.. ubuntu ltsp.i still have to put a modeline in for this monitor..
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| 15:47 | getting ready for hancock county it admins meeting..they want to see what id saw in California
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| 15:49 | <cliebow> i am putting 4.2 alongside muekow on the lappie for demo purposes
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| 15:55 | gonna add an ibook in as well
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| 15:58 | <sbalneav> Afternoon all
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| 15:58 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 15:59 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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| 16:01 | <cliebow> sbalneav: plugged in my muekow install..first time..right to a login!!!
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| 16:40 | <cliebow> sbalneav: got a sec?
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| 16:42 | jammcq:X_MODE_0 work ok in muekow?
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| 16:45 | guess not
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| 19:23 | <cliebow_> jammcq:stiil in mtv/
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| 19:34 | <cliebow> jammcq:still in mtv?
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| 19:37 | <jammcq> cliebow: hey, got home this morning
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| 19:41 | <cliebow> get some shuteye since then..?i slep most of monday morning after i got home
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| 19:45 | is x_mode_0 supported in ubuntus ltsp now?
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| 19:56 | <Arithorn> Hi all, I'm trying to get mplayer to work (with sound) I've got ESD working which gives me system sounds but the movie shtuff is still coming out the server, any ideas?
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| 20:27 | <PMantis> Hey guys!
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| 20:28 | What's the name of that high-availability clustering product that was demonstrated at UBZ/BTS last year?
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| 20:29 | Right around the same time as the "Happy packet dance". :)
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| 20:29 | <cliebow_> neuralis shwed off? ssi?
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| 20:29 | <jammcq> openssi
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| 20:33 | <rjune> jammcq !
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| 20:33 | <jammcq> hey rjune
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| 20:34 | <rjune> I made it to stage two.
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| 20:36 | <cliebow_> ??
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| 20:36 | <jammcq> oh?
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| 20:38 | <rjune> yeah, stage two is Wed.
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| 20:38 | <cliebow> job?
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| 20:38 | <rjune> yeah.
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| 20:38 | <cliebow> Cool!
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| 20:38 | <rjune> only if I get the job.
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| 20:41 | <cliebow> reboot time for This pos
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| 20:41 | <PMantis> Ahhhhhh yes
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| 20:47 | <mwright1> hiya, I'm having a problem with workstations not connecting. They're saying they can't get the NFS root
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| 20:47 | kernel panic
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| 20:47 | I've got 12 users logged in atm, and would prefer not to reboot the server... any ideas?
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| 20:47 | <jammcq> need more info
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| 20:48 | "can't get NFS root", there must be more details than that
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| 20:48 | <mwright1> I'm not onsite so it's a bit hard
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| 20:48 | <jammcq> I'm not either, so it's impossible for me
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| 20:48 | <mwright1> yes I'll see if I can do better. hang about I'll make a phone call, and try a harder form of interrogation.. maybe sleep deprivation will do it
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| 20:51 | <rjune> LOL
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| 20:51 | /var/log/messages may have useful info too
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| 20:52 | <mwright1> i'm getting some nasty dbus error messages in /var/log/messages
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| 20:54 | hmm can't resolve teh paste webpage
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| 20:54 | <jammcq> yeah, pastebot is broken
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| 20:55 | <cliebow> jammcq:what does it mean if most all python pkgs are held back when upgrade to edgy from breezy?
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| 20:55 | <jammcq> umm, not a clue
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| 20:55 | <mwright1> jammcq: message is something like this (results of my latest attempt on the phone)
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| 20:55 | failed to mount the root directory via nfs
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| 20:55 | possible reasons include
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| 20:55 | 1. NFS services may not be running on services
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| 20:55 | 2. workstation ip does not /etc/hosts or in dns
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| 20:55 | 3. wrong address for nfs server in the dhcp config
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| 20:55 | 4. wrong path name for root directory in the dhcp config
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| 20:56 | I am sure a reboot would normalise things, however that's not ideal as there are lots of active users atm.
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| 20:56 | <jammcq> mwright1: are you logged into that server?
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| 20:56 | <cliebow> mwright..is hostname to ip clearly defined?
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| 20:57 | <mwright1> I am remoted into that server via ssh
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| 20:57 | <jammcq> ok, run this: showmount -e
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| 20:57 | <mwright1> [root@solar campaign]# /usr/sbin/showmount -e
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| 20:57 | Export list for solar.vic.greens.org.au:
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| 20:57 | /opt/ltsp 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0
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| 20:57 | /opt/ltsp-4.2 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0
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| 20:57 | /var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0
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| 20:57 | /var/opt/ltsp-4.2/swapfiles 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0
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| 20:57 | /var ironbark
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| 20:57 | /etc ironbark
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| 20:57 | /home 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0
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| 20:58 | <jammcq> looks ok to me, assuming your LTSP network is 192.168.0.x
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| 20:58 | <mwright1> yer it is, and the server was ok for a couple of days, has just gone ugly today.. and nothing has changed. Environment has worked nicely for months
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| 20:59 | I have selinux in permissive mode atm
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| 20:59 | Nov 12 13:49:15 solar dbus: Can't send to audit system: USER_AVC avc: 1 AV entries and 1/512 buckets used, longest chain length 1 : exe="/bin/dbus-daemon" (sauid=514, hostname=?, addr=?, terminal=?)
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| 20:59 | is a message I'm getting from the /var/log/messages
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| 21:03 | <rjune> cliebow: my guess is it means you have something that explicity deps on the old version of python
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| 21:04 | mwright1: that looks like an selinux error
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| 21:04 | <cliebow> that is what i am getting from the errors as well
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| 21:04 | <rjune> try setenforce 0
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| 21:04 | that'll disable it and you can verify that selinux is yoru problem.
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| 21:04 | <mwright1> i did a getenforce , it's already set to permissive
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| 21:04 | <rjune> permissive != off
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| 21:05 | <mwright1> [root@solar campaign]# /usr/sbin/setenforce 0
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| 21:05 | [root@solar campaign]# /usr/sbin/getenforce
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| 21:05 | Permissive
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| 21:05 | <rjune> maybe I had thecommand wrong hten
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| 21:06 | give a sec
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| 21:06 | got a crying kid
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| 21:09 | <mwright1> I might go into the office
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| 21:09 | I'm interested in finding out how to fix it remotely so if anyone is still around when I get in there I'll pass as much info back as possible
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| 21:30 | <rjune> back
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| 21:40 | <PMantis> Scotty!
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| 21:40 | heh
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| 21:40 | <sbalneav> Hello PMantis
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| 21:41 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 21:42 | sbalneav: hey, we talked about using the fstab as the format for the x prop. I'm thinking there's not enough info in that format
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| 22:00 | <PMantis> hey, /proc/mdstat output:
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| 22:00 | md0 : active raid1 hdc1[1] hda1[2](F)
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| 22:00 | 104320 blocks [2/1] [_U]
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| 22:00 | Obvious failure... but which drive failed?
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| 22:00 | <jammcq> umm
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| 22:01 | <PMantis> hdc is listed first, and the left 'U' is missing.
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| 22:02 | <rjune> but hda1 has F next to it
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| 22:02 | is that relevant?
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| 22:02 | <PMantis> But, below... it shows "[2/1]", so does that show the "map" for the UU?
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| 22:02 | <jammcq> I think the whole thing has a (F) next to it
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| 22:02 | <rjune> is my guess
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| 22:03 | <PMantis> Yeah, that was my take. the RAID has failed.
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| 22:03 | * PMantis goes to look at the console | |
| 22:05 | <PMantis> Hmmm
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| 22:05 | no clues there.
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| 22:05 | but eth2 shows: "Detected Tx Unit Hang"
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| 22:05 | ...on the console
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| 22:06 | weird
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| 22:07 | I think a failed
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| 22:07 | hda
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| 22:07 | # grep -R "DriveReady" *
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| 22:07 | anaconda.syslog:<4>hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
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| 22:07 | That was ran in /var/log
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| 22:07 | Time for an RMA...
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| 22:09 | <rjune> yeah, that does point at hda
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| 22:10 | <PMantis> So perhaps the (F) is referencing the drive, not the MD device
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| 22:11 | I gotta replace that! Live data on that machine
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| 22:12 | Seagate Barracuda dfive
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| 22:14 | <rjune> heh, so you're saying it's important? :-)
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| 22:15 | <PMantis> heh, yeah
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| 22:23 | <PMantis> Since hdc is the only good drive, how can I be sure that grub is properly installed there?
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| 22:24 | ...that is, before I reboot this thing to test the drive. heh.
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| 22:25 | <jammcq> before you even think about rebooting it, make sure you copy the data to some other system or media
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| 22:25 | <PMantis> Backuppc has an image of it
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| 22:26 | Ahh hdc1 was not bootable
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| 22:26 | <rjune> oops
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| 22:27 | <PMantis> Heh, caught before a reboot, NBD
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| 22:27 | Heh, yeah.. this is bad: # fdisk /dev/hda
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| 22:27 | Unable to read /dev/hda
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| 22:28 | <rjune> uhm, yup
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| 22:28 | <PMantis> With a bunch of Buffer I/O error messages on the console
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| 22:28 | sectors, logical blocks
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| 22:28 | Ok, I have a slight dilemma
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| 22:29 | I'd like to make a grub boot floppy before I power this off
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| 22:29 | But no floppy in the machine... and can't plug one in with it on.
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| 22:29 | <rjune> LOL
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| 22:29 | you have a USB key?
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| 22:29 | you can make it bootable
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| 22:29 | <PMantis> Can I use dd to make an image?
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| 22:30 | Uhm. yeah
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| 22:30 | Not blank though
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| 22:30 | I could always export a floppy drive over NFS, I guess
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| 22:30 | <jammcq> that won't work
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| 22:31 | you can't export a boot sector over nfs
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| 22:31 | <PMantis> Heh, only machine I have with a floppy is the firewalll
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| 22:31 | Ahh
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| 22:31 | * PMantis loves google | |
| 22:32 | <jammcq> this is why I like the 3ware cards. it abstracts all of that out for you, so the drive array just appears as a scsi device
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| 22:32 | no need to worry about hd[abcd]
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| 22:33 | <PMantis> No doubt that hardware RAID is much easier.
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| 22:33 | <jammcq> what OS is on that box?
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| 22:35 | <PMantis> That's CentOS
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| 22:35 | <jammcq> is /boot on a raid device?
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| 22:36 | <PMantis> yes
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| 22:36 | <sbalneav> heh, seems every time I see PMantis in the channel, it's dealing with sw raid troubles
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| 22:37 | <PMantis> Hah
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| 22:37 | dd if=/dev/zero of=./grubboot.img bs=1440k count=1
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| 22:37 | mount -o loop -t vfat ./grubboot.img /mnt/grubfloppy/
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| 22:38 | no workie... generic "wronf fs type" error
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| 22:38 | oh, wait... vfat? I got to copy/paste happy
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| 22:38 | <jammcq> it's a boot sector, not a filesystem
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| 22:38 | <PMantis> ?
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| 22:38 | <jammcq> grubboot.img, is that mountable?
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| 22:39 | <PMantis> I'd need to have menu.lst on the floppy...
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| 22:39 | Nope
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| 22:39 | Not the way I'm doing it at least
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| 22:43 | <PMantis> wow, got it to work.
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| 22:44 | <jammcq> hey, anybody have any experience with bittorrents?
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| 22:44 | <PMantis> Yeah.. what's up?
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| 22:45 | <sbalneav> A bit.
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| 22:45 | <PMantis> sbalneav, nice pun. :)
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| 22:45 | <sbalneav> In Ubuntu, you can usually just browse a .torrent file in the browser, and "the right thing" will happen.
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| 22:45 | <jammcq> as I understand it, if my PC is on the net, then I can download files, and i'm expected to provide download capabilities to other people
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| 22:46 | the more I "participate" the better my download rate will be
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| 22:46 | <PMantis> Yeah, you can turn that off.
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| 22:46 | <jammcq> but.... what if i'm behind a firewall?
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| 22:46 | <sbalneav> jammcq: The way to do that is to leave the bt client up and running for a bit after you've finished the download.
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| 22:47 | it tunnels, so it's ok.
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| 22:47 | <PMantis> Then you can only make outbound connections... so the receiver better NOT be behind a firewall.
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| 22:47 | <jammcq> i'm downloading via bt on my laptop, and the throughput isn't very good
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| 22:48 | i'm thinking that i'm not participating properly
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| 22:48 | i'm taking, but not giving
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| 22:48 | <PMantis> I don't think it's throttled like that... probably just not enough seeders
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| 22:48 | <jammcq> 78 seeds right now
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| 22:48 | <PMantis> hmmm
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| 22:48 | <jammcq> does that mean I can pull pieces from 78 different places?
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| 22:49 | <PMantis> Yes, as I understand it.
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| 22:49 | As long as each of the 78 are not behind a firewall
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| 22:49 | <jammcq> hmm, apparently, I'm also doing some uploading, so maybe it's working fine
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| 22:50 | I thought I needed to run something on my firewall, like a proxy or something
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| 22:50 | <PMantis> It might do better if your firewall was running BT, as there's no NAT - it can received from others that ARE behind a firewall
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| 22:51 | <jammcq> hmm, lost scotty
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| 22:51 | <PMantis> Huh, someting I said? :)
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| 22:52 | BTW, you might want to check out torrentflux
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| 22:52 | Runs on a server, you can start torrents, stop, etc all remotely.
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| 22:52 | I haven't used it yet, but it's on my mind for a project.
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| 23:13 | <sbalneav> back
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| 23:13 | DOH
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| 23:14 | all that ruddy C programming I did for xproperties?
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| 23:14 | On the command line:
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| 23:14 | xprop -root -f FOOBAR 8s -set FOOBAR "Some value"
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| 23:14 | the xprop command can do it all.
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| 23:14 | MUCH simple.
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| 23:15 | s/./r./
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| 23:17 | <jammcq> scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 23:18 | sbalneav: did you see my comment earlier about using the contents of fstab as the format for the xprop?
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| 23:21 | <sbalneav> Yeah
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| 23:21 | <jammcq> isn't there some info that you need that's not part of fstab?
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| 23:22 | <sbalneav> I'm just sorting out the survivability of the propeties.
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| 23:22 | Not sure. If we need something more, we can pass it along.
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| 23:41 | <robbie> afternoons
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