IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 2 September 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 09:29 | <markit> hi, anyone expert of italc? I've installed it in ltsp 11.04 kubuntu, works fine but every student can run it an "monitor" all the class, that is not good :)
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| 09:29 | probably I have to configure something, but I'm confused
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| 09:33 | <Appiah> hardly remeber anything from that software
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| 09:34 | but dont you devide wish groups should have access?
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| 09:34 | (unix groups)
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| 09:51 | <andygraybeal> mornnns
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| 10:12 | <markit> Appiah: hi, how can I?
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| 10:13 | I mean, I've teachers that belong to linux group "teachers", and students.. to "students"
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| 10:13 | but don't know how inform italc about it
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| 10:14 | also I've no idea how KDE menu work and if is possible to hide some items depending on the user's group
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| 10:56 | <Appiah> is there not some management console for italc?
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| 11:06 | <markit> Appiah: yes, but seem that you define "classes", I've only one
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| 11:07 | so I should not need to
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| 11:35 | <markit> alkisg: btw, I use KDE, wondering if gnome has some facility like menu entries available only for certain groups
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| 11:35 | i.e. I want to have students a "strip down" menu
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| 11:36 | I could personalize a lot of user's menu with kde, but there is a big problem
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| 11:36 | when I add a user, no .kde dir is populated
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| 11:36 | it's populated at first login
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| 11:36 | so if I put there some config file, will be overwritten
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| 11:36 | <alkisg> markit, there's edubuntu menu editor for this, and there's also sabayon. I haven't used any of them
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| 11:36 | <markit> and manually loging each 300 students is not fun
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| 11:37 | <alkisg> Both support customized menus per group
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| 11:37 | <alkisg> I think mgariepy developed the edubuntu menu editor, maybe you should try that one first
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| 11:37 | <markit> nice, I will refer to kde guys... I receive very little support for those kind of problems, seem they all use it as desktop only and only for one or 2 users
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| 11:38 | <alkisg> Yes, unfortunately not many people have education/schools in their mind when developing software
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| 11:39 | So things like edubuntu, kdeedu etc are nice and we should support them
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| 11:39 | <markit> alkisg: well, is also a matter of "multiuser", not necessary education
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| 11:39 | <alkisg> multiuser per groups
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| 11:39 | Not just multiuser
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| 11:40 | <markit> yes, just I think that if you have multiuser, you need also a smart way to manage situations
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| 11:40 | like "global settings"
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| 11:40 | stripped down functionality for some users/group etc
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| 11:40 | <alkisg> E.g. an internet cafe would want global menus
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| 11:40 | <markit> should be "natural"
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| 11:40 | <alkisg> But not per groups. For everyone.
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| 11:40 | <markit> that can be done in KDE
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| 11:40 | <alkisg> That's already supported with gnome mandatory settings
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| 11:40 | So it's not what we want in education
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| 11:40 | <markit> it's because time ago they started Kiosk project, but now has been abandoned
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| 11:41 | I see
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| 11:41 | <alkisg> In schools we have teachers and students, we need support for different groups
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| 11:41 | We also need shared folders
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| 11:41 | <markit> well, in M$ world with AD you can have really fine grained tuning
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| 11:41 | <alkisg> Not all people need that
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| 11:41 | Not really
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| 11:41 | There are situations where AD also doesn't work for us
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| 12:44 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 12:45 | <TheMatrix3000> fat clients hate me alkisg
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| 12:45 | ran every command in the world you told me
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| 12:45 | and the panels still don't show up
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| 12:51 | <pscheie> mgariepy, good morning.
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| 12:51 | mgariepy, I think I'm riding with you from Bangor to BTS courtesy of stgraber, so thanks in advance for the lift.
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| 12:52 | <veloutin> you get to ride the yellowmobile!
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| 12:53 | <pscheie> What's the yellowmobile?
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| 12:53 | <veloutin> mgariepy's car
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| 12:53 | <pscheie> Is it shaped like a giant jar of mustard?
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| 12:54 | <veloutin> Only if said jar is shaped like a suzuki
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| 12:54 | <pscheie> which would be cool
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| 12:54 | close enough.
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| 12:54 | as long as it has four wheels & motor, I'm good.
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| 12:55 | Last time I went to BTS, I got a ride from stgraber & fgiradeau in fgiradeu's car.
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| 12:56 | He kept a large repair manual in the car "just in case"; I wasn't sure if I needed to be concerned or not. :-)
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| 12:56 | <veloutin> well you made it out alive, so... :)
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| 12:59 | <pscheie> yes, yes I did, though I may be scarred for life. :-) However, it didn't deter me from accepting the ride back from BTS to the airport.
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| 13:01 | veloutin, are you part of RevolutionLinux?
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| 13:05 | <mgariepy> hah
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| 13:05 | i'm not going with my yellowmobile
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| 13:05 | <highvoltage> mgariepy: that's funny? :)
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| 13:05 | (ah I see)
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| 13:05 | <mgariepy> and at this point i'm not sure i'll make it to BTS
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| 13:06 | i need to see how it goes first for other stuff
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| 13:07 | <veloutin> pscheie: yes, I'm at RevolutionLInux
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| 13:08 | <pscheie> veloutin, are you coming to BTS?
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| 13:09 | <mgariepy> pscheie, i have a suzuki aerio 2003 , yellow of course :)
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| 13:10 | <pscheie> mgariepy, looks like a very practical car.
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| 13:11 | <highvoltage> we call it the yellow submarine
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| 13:11 | <pscheie> highvoltage, good moniker
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| 13:13 | <pscheie> so, if mgariepy decides he can't make it to BTS, could I piggyback on stgraber's piggyback of whoever does drive down?
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| 13:16 | <highvoltage> I guess it would be me
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| 13:16 | (but I hope that mgariepy can work things out)
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| 13:19 | <pscheie> highvoltage, the wikipage says you're coming from South Africa, although stgraber said you're just driving from Sherbrooke ;-)
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| 13:26 | <veloutin> pscheie: no, I'm not going
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| 13:27 | <pscheie> veloutin, :-(
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| 13:27 | <highvoltage> pscheie: yep I live in sherbrooke now but jim likes to have me listed as from .za in there :)
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| 13:28 | <stgraber> ;)
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| 13:28 | <pscheie> good morning stgraber
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| 13:29 | <veloutin> pscheie: well I haven't touched ltsp in a long while anyways
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| 13:29 | <stgraber> pscheie: good morning
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| 13:30 | <pscheie> veloutin, I'm not doing much with it these days myself, but I like to keep in touch with it.
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| 13:31 | I've installed it in some schools and in some businesses. But the ongoing support of those groups turns into a second job, and I don't have the time for that on a sustained basis.
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| 13:32 | <highvoltage> pscheie: where are you?
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| 13:32 | <pscheie> Minneapolis
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| 13:33 | north of you. ;-)
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| 13:33 | <highvoltage> ah I guess I have the wrong Minneapolis then :)
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| 13:33 | <pscheie> Actually, looking at google maps, it looks like we're on about the same parallel.
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| 13:34 | i.e., same latitude
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| 13:34 | <highvoltage> yeah Minneapolis seems around 2000km west from here
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| 13:34 | <pscheie> I just find it amusing that we're north of, say, Toronto.
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| 13:35 | of course, sbalneav has me beat on northlyness.
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| 13:35 | northerlyness
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| 13:36 | <TheMatrix3000> ok, could anyone explain why panels don't show up on computers, but are showing up on vmware
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| 13:37 | <highvoltage> pscheie: wouldn't it be the same for you to go directly to SWH than to go to sherbrooke?
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| 13:37 | <pscheie> highvoltage, I organized an LTSP conference here in Mpls. a few years ago. One of the attendees was Riaan van Brakel from NetDay in SA. Do you know him?
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| 13:38 | <highvoltage> (considering you'll have to cross border twice as well and go north and then back south)
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| 13:38 | <pscheie> highvoltage, I'm flying into Bangor.
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| 13:38 | <highvoltage> I knew some people from NetDay, but not Riaan.
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| 13:39 | <pscheie> was hoping stgraber could pick me up at the airport on his way down to SWH, as he & fgiradeau did last time I came.
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| 13:39 | stgraber said he's riding w/you & mgariepy
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| 13:40 | highvoltage, so if you end up driving, I'm humbly hoping I can catch a ride w/you.
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| 13:40 | from BGR, that is.
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| 13:41 | <highvoltage> pscheie: ok, I'll be able to tell you in the next 2 weeks or so, I don't have final confirmation that I'm going yet, but it's likely
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| 13:41 | <pscheie> highvoltage, ok, tx.
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| 13:44 | highvoltage, how did you end up in Canada from SA?
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| 14:23 | <mgariepy> alkisg, are you going to BTS ?
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| 14:24 | <stgraber> mgariepy: I guess it depends on whether he gets sponsorship for UDS
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| 14:24 | <alkisg> mgariepy: yup, I'm waiting for the sponshorship results
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| 14:25 | * alkisg hopes those will be out soon, because he's seeing all van's seats being taken :D | |
| 14:30 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: create a new user account and login with it. If it also has panel problems, check /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory/%gconf-tree.xml for broken settings.
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| 14:56 | <Blinny> Some of my Lucid clients don't get a visible 'enter password' dialog to unlock the screensaver - it's as if the dialog is behind the blank screen. I can still type in the password to unlock it. Can't find the bug report about this - anyone know of this issue?
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| 14:56 | alkisg: BTW I did the update-image / update-kernels and no love there.
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| 14:57 | <alkisg> Blinny: is that per thin client, or per user account?
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| 14:58 | <Blinny> Initially it seems to be per client, though it may be per-server. Testing while typing.
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| 14:58 | Per client
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| 14:59 | Sounds like this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1501668
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| 14:59 | Must be an ATI thing
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| 15:00 | <alkisg> Does it also happen with compiz disabled?
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| 15:00 | <alkisg> (or with non-3d screensavers?)
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| 15:01 | <Blinny> Compiz is disabled. Dunno about non-3d.. I thought there was only screen blanking in LTSP?
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> Right, so it doesn't sound like the bug you linked to
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| 15:01 | The person there says it only happens for 3d screensavers for him
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| 15:02 | <Blinny> (though I just checked Preferences->Screensaver and 'skyrocket' was selected - same behavior occurs with 'blank screen')
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| 15:02 | The similarity is that I can still type into the blank screen and the screensaver is disabled.
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> Try disabling ati's modesetting, maybe that helps for the specific client
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| 15:03 | !nomodeset
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| 15:03 | <ltsp> alkisg: nomodeset: Unfortunately, Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) doesn't work well with some cards. To disable it, open /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and replace quiet splash with nomodeset .
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| 15:04 | <Blinny> OK one sec.
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| 15:05 | BRB
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| 15:08 | <Blinny> alkisg: That worked.
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| 15:08 | alkisg: I do notice that I receive 'Invalid card number' as the last line before LDM starts.
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| 15:08 | That occurred before and now with nomodeset
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| 15:08 | <alkisg> Blinny: to make nomodeset specific to that client, copy pxelinux.cfg/default to pxelinux.cfg/01-mac-address-of-that-client-with-lowercase-letters
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| 15:08 | <alkisg> E.g. 01-a1-b2-c3-d4-e5-f6
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| 15:09 | <Blinny> alkisg: Brilliant.
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| 15:09 | alkisg: You guys thought of everything.
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| 15:09 | <alkisg> LTSP is just a wrapper
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| 15:09 | That's pxelinux
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| 15:09 | :)
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| 15:09 | I think that invalid card number come from pulseaudio or something, there was a bug report somewhere
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| 15:10 | If you search the irclogs (see /topic) for invalid card number, you might find the bug report link
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| 15:11 | <Blinny> Dig.
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| 15:12 | Let me test this.
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| 15:14 | <Blinny> Thank you alkisg. You are a veritable fount of knowledge.
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| 15:14 | Perfect.
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 15:14 | <Blinny> OK. Back to fighting with dell omsa. Cheers mate
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| 15:24 | <Gadi> so, I have a very OT Friday question: Anybody here use HP PA-RISC processors for development or anything?
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| 15:33 | <pscheie> Gadi, I used to, until about four years ago.
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| 15:33 | <Gadi> so, I still have my old HP J6000 from my circuit design days, and I am finally looking to part with it
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| 15:33 | <pscheie> Company merged with another. I probably could have gotten one of the old PA-RISC boxes had I wanted.
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| 15:34 | <Gadi> if anyone knows someone in the market for a dual-533MHz PA-RISC machine ... :)
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| 15:34 | <pscheie> heh
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| 15:34 | no thanks.
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| 15:34 | <Gadi> still pretty powerful
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| 15:34 | :)
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| 15:34 | shucks
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| 15:34 | <pscheie> They're really solid, reliable.
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| 15:34 | <Gadi> she's like a classic car - hate to se her go
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| 15:34 | we have a history
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| 15:34 | <pscheie> Yes, I can appreciate that.
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| 15:35 | What OS are you running on it?
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| 15:35 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 15:35 | Id have to fire it up
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| 15:36 | but when I used it for Cadence, it was HP's Unix
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| 15:36 | what was it 11i
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| 15:36 | or some such
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| 15:36 | dunno - those brain cells have been killed by beer
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| 15:36 | <pscheie> I still have one or two of my HP-UX books
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| 15:37 | 11i was good. No idea what they're up to by now.
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| 15:38 | so Gadi, are you looking at getting some Raspberry Pi thingies and making thin clients out of 'em?
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| 15:46 | <Gadi> so I can be in the USB hub business?
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| 15:46 | :)
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| 15:55 | <pscheie> like being in the razor blade business :-)
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| 15:58 | and giving away the razors
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| 16:37 | <TheMatrix3000> yea, i don't get it
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| 16:37 | no panels are working on the fat clients
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| 16:38 | <Hyperbyte> TheMatrix3000, what are the error messages?
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| 16:39 | <TheMatrix3000> how do i get error message to pop up
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| 16:39 | cause it loads the desktop it just doesn't show panels
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| 16:39 | i can open firefox i can open everything and it work
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| 16:39 | <Hyperbyte> Open a terminal and type 'gnome-panel'
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| 16:40 | <TheMatrix3000> ah, wtf
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| 16:40 | now it shows
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| 16:40 | let me log off and back on then
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| 16:41 | <Hyperbyte> If the panels work when typing 'gnome-panel', it means the panels probably don't get started somehow on login.
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| 16:41 | <abeehc_> and .xsession-errors might ahve something interesting
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| 16:42 | maybe the sessions trying to load panels from server and runnign that command likely ran from client in fatclient land
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| 16:43 | <Gadi> TheMatrix3000: I have had that issue (at least in a virtual machine) with 10.04
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| 16:44 | finally got fed up with trying to figure it out and created an autostart program to: sleep 5; pkill gnome-panel
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| 16:44 | if you track it down, lemme know
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| 16:44 | :)
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| 16:49 | <TheMatrix3000> works now
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| 16:56 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: so are your fat client fast? Or 1 ghz == too slow for you?
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| 17:06 | <TheMatrix3000> firefox is shit
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| 17:06 | lol
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| 17:06 | i found out what the problem is
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| 17:07 | no the processors are fine
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| 17:07 | its the ram
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| 17:07 | some pc's only have 512 ram
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| 17:07 | and they are also the same pc's having localapps firefox issues
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| 17:07 | and that's because they are running out of ram
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| 17:07 | server has 8gb ram
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| 17:07 | so just make firefox a server apps?
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| 17:11 | <alkisg> With 512 mb ram clients, you should make all apps server apps :)
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| 17:11 | Now, if you have some good clients, you can use those as fat instead
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| 17:12 | My rule of thumb is, everything that has < 512 MB RAM ==> boot it as thin client, and > 512 => as fat
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| 17:12 | The FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD lts.conf variable helps there, you set it to e.g. 600 MB and it does the thin/fat separation automatically for you
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| 17:13 | And fat clients offload some CPU/RAM/network bandwidth off of your server
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| 17:13 | <TheMatrix3000> ha really
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| 17:13 | <alkisg> You can also have a single fat chroot, that boots both fat and thin clienst
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| 17:13 | No need for multiple chroots...
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| 17:13 | <abeehc_> nirvana
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| 17:14 | <alkisg> (btw, 512 mb clients work ok as fat with lighter environments, e.g. debian/lxde)
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| 17:19 | <TheMatrix3000> ah ok
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| 17:19 | so i can push fat to everyone then
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| 17:19 | but i do need apps installed locally and on teh server the same
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| 17:19 | right?
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| 17:24 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: yes, mixed-mode labs (thin+fat) is like maintaining 2 different installations: the server installation and the chroot installation
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| 17:24 | So if e.g. you want google-chrome for both thins and fats, you need to install it twice
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| 17:26 | <TheMatrix3000> i wish there was an easier way
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| 17:26 | lol
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| 17:28 | then i can remove the "LTSP_LOCALAPPS" variable right
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| 17:28 | <markit> alkisg: I will have to try a fat installation soon, do you have some notes that I MUST know and that will save me hours of useless tries? :)
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| 17:29 | <TheMatrix3000> ever since firefox left their 3.* versions, they became memory monsters
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| 17:34 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: I've thought of several easier ways to implement fat clients along with thin, on the same installation, but no time to try to implement them now... in a few years :)
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| 17:34 | markit: sorry, I don't keep notes, I've just written a wiki page about fat clients
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| 17:34 | :)
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| 17:36 | <markit> alkisg: that's even greater, if up to date , thanks
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| 17:37 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients this one?
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| 17:37 | ops
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| 17:37 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 17:37 | the updated one is this
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| 17:39 | <markit> alkisg: does it switch from "fat" to "thin" automatically (kubuntu 11.04) or is some improvements only you have?
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| 17:40 | <TheMatrix3000> where again
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| 17:41 | !lts.conf
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| 17:41 | <ltsp> TheMatrix3000: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 17:58 | <alkisg> markit: yes, the last one. The switch from fat to thin based on RAM is upstream.
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| 17:59 | <markit> so will be in 11.10?
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| 18:00 | wouldn't be fine to base it on ram AND bogomips? two parameters thresold I could set?
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| 18:00 | well, I love overcomplicate things, lol
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| 18:00 | <alkisg> markit: it's there in 10.04
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| 18:00 | So yes it'll also be in 11.10 :)
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| 18:01 | <markit> ah, you ment "the FIRST one" of my two options
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| 18:01 | dever mind :)
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| 18:01 | <alkisg> Usually RAM is the main factor between thin/fat, but if you want to put CPU in the mix, create an ltsp_config.d script
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| 18:02 | <markit> is this option documented somewhere (the RAM thresold or whaterer is the correct english word)
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| 18:02 | <alkisg> Nah real programmers don't write documentation :P :D
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| 18:02 | (some options get in the code first as "test options", and when we see that they actually work and they're useful, they're later on documented, when one find them in the code again :D)
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| 18:02 | <markit> ehm, so is a matter of just guess the key name? maybe a little suggestion....
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| 18:03 | <alkisg> (08:12:47 μμ) alkisg: The FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD lts.conf variable helps there, you set it to e.g. 600 MB and it does the thin/fat separation automatically for you
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| 18:03 | <markit> maybe add one line in the wiki...
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| 18:03 | <alkisg> Sure, go ahead :)
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| 18:03 | <markit> so good, thanks, I do apreciate you a LOT
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| 18:03 | <alkisg> The default is FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD=300
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| 18:03 | <markit> mmm maybe I've an account to edit wiki, last time I tried was not able, let's try again
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| 18:04 | <alkisg> I.e. if you boot a client from a fat chroot, and it has > 300 RAM, it'll be used as fat
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| 18:04 | Anyone can edit the UbuntuLTSP wiki, but not the sourceforge wiki
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| 18:04 | <markit> I'll try later, thanks a lot
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| 18:04 | <alkisg> You need to ping one of the sf admins for the later, if you intent to write many docs
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| 18:06 | <markit> btw, elementary school install had a problem you had also (I found a old post of you with google), I had US keyboard
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| 18:06 | I solved with a lts.conf parameter, instead of the chroot file
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| 18:06 | but was marked as "solved", don't know if a regression, did not happen with 10.04
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| 18:06 | <alkisg> Since 9.10, I think, everything works if you have the correct language/keyboard layout on the server before building the chroot
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| 18:07 | Ah, maybe there was a regression with the .utf8 extension instead of UTF-8 in glib
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| 18:07 | Haven't tried anything newer than 10.04 myself...
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| 18:09 | <markit> is so exciting be in the bleeding edge... a ton of new bugs and really few features you need
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| 18:09 | <alkisg> Right, when I'm in the middle of a lesson I really want to have a crash so I can file a bug about KMS :)
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| 18:09 | <markit> exactly
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| 18:09 | food time, see you later
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| 18:09 | <alkisg> bb
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| 19:10 | <TheMatrix3000> alkisg: can I do the same setup with ltsp-cluster
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| 19:10 | basically have the same lts.conf settings etc
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| 19:10 | and do fat and thin clients
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| 19:10 | <alkisg> No idea, never tried cluster. I don't think it's needed for fat clients, they have very modest server requirements.
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| 19:11 | <TheMatrix3000> remember i was mixing though
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| 19:11 | i had fat, and thin clients
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| 19:14 | is there a lts to make it choose x64 vs 386 vs fat vs thin?
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| 19:16 | <alkisg> You have 4 chroots?
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| 19:16 | <markit> TheMatrix3000: I've heard about ltsp clusters, but what are they for? if you have huge amount of clients in the same classroom?
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| 19:21 | <TheMatrix3000> no, you gave me teh ltsconf setting for fat vs thin client
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| 19:22 | nvm, it's not possible
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| 19:22 | not the way id do it
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| 19:22 | <alkisg> You mean, to make amd64 clients boot as fat, while i386 as thin?
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| 19:22 | You can create a simple ltsp_config.d script for that
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| 19:24 | <TheMatrix3000> is it possible to make a script that detects a x64 client, and push a x64 image
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| 19:25 | and if it detects a i386 to push i386
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| 19:25 | also where in the world did you find FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD=300
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| 19:25 | <alkisg> I'm not sure that I understood your question. That's unrelated to fat clients, isn't it?
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| 19:25 | <TheMatrix3000> it's not in the lts.conf man documentation
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| 19:26 | <alkisg> You have 2 chroots, and i386 one and an amd64 one, and you want them to automatically be pushed on the right arch?
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| 19:26 | <TheMatrix3000> yea
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| 19:26 | <alkisg> The old way is to do this via mac address, but the newest pxelinux (syslinux) project has code for this
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| 19:27 | You can read their wiki or ask in #syslinux about it
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| 19:27 | <TheMatrix3000> ha nice
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| 19:27 | ok, ill see in that chat
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| 19:28 | <alkisg> http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/Ifcpu64.c32
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| 19:28 | Does an amd64 chroot offer so much better speed that justifies maintaining 2 chroots for that, instead of just one i386 for all?
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| 19:29 | (and also, http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/Ifcpu.c32 - I don't know which one is better)
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| 19:29 | <TheMatrix3000> it allows memory usage above a certain amount
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| 19:30 | i would think 64bit would be faster
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| 19:30 | <alkisg> -pae kernels see up to 64 gb RAM, you need more?
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| 19:30 | <TheMatrix3000> oh really
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| 19:30 | i thought it was 3.7gb
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| 19:30 | in 32bi
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| 19:30 | t
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| 19:30 | <alkisg> No, that's plain, non-pae kernels
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| 19:31 | -pae kernels for 32bit see up to 64 gb
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| 19:31 | <TheMatrix3000> how did you get so smart alkisg
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| 19:31 | <alkisg> I used to eat all my vegetables when I was a kid :D
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| 19:31 | <TheMatrix3000> lol
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| 19:31 | where did you find that FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD= stuff
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| 19:31 | it's not in the lts.conf man page
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| 19:32 | <alkisg> I implemented it for the schools here
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| 19:32 | Yes, see comments above, when we talked with markit
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| 19:32 | Feel free to document it
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| 19:36 | <TheMatrix3000> ah wow
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| 19:36 | <markit> alkisg: I'm planning to use rdiff-backup to do an incremental backup every time the server is started (and there is a web interface for recovery as zip files), do you use a better solution, if any?
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| 19:36 | <TheMatrix3000> any other secrets you aren't telling me alkisg
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| 19:36 | <markit> TheMatrix3000: he gives us just a secret a day
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| 19:36 | so we can find our way and improve
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| 19:37 | torward the light of ltsp
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| 19:37 | <TheMatrix3000> well i fail at programming but im a good sysadmin
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| 19:37 | and sysadmins love documentation
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| 19:37 | i document too much
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| 19:43 | for fat in ltsp i just need to remove my localapps variables add the FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD
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| 19:43 | right? alkisg
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| 19:44 | <alkisg> (10:37:40 μμ) TheMatrix3000: i document too much ==> in public wikies? Or do you mean for yourself?
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| 19:47 | <TheMatrix3000> oh myself
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| 19:47 | private information
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| 19:47 | about our network infrastructure
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| 19:48 | <alkisg> If more people contributed in ltsp documentation, we'd have fewer people complaining about it :)
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| 19:57 | * vagrantc hasn't seen patches for ltsp-docs in years | |
| 19:57 | <vagrantc> i've made incremental commits here and there, but that's about it
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| 21:02 | <thafreak> Quick question, is there a way, like using xnest or something, to connect to an LTSP server from a normal desktop machine?
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| 21:02 | my ltsp server is running the meukow version from ubuntu...
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| 21:11 | <vagrantc> thafreak: it's complicated, but not impossible
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| 21:12 | thafreak: what's your goal?
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| 21:12 | i.e. you could connect to it a variety of ways that have nothing to do with LTSP
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| 21:17 | <thafreak> just curiousity I guess...no real goals
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| 21:17 | from what I read, it runs things over ssh right?
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| 21:17 | <vagrantc> by default, yes, ldm logs in via ssh.
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| 21:17 | <thafreak> so can you just like ssh -XC to the machine and run the desktop I guess?
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| 21:18 | <vagrantc> more or less, though a lot of the features won't work (remote sound, localapps, localdevs, etc.)
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| 21:19 | if you want to emulate a full session, you could run a virtual machine as a thin client
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| 21:19 | using virtualbox, kvm or qemu
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| 21:19 | <thafreak> yeah, I do that for testing, but for normal use, it seems kinda heavy handed...
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| 21:20 | I guess I could always install freenx on the ltsp server...just didn't know if there was an ltsp way to do it
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| 21:20 | <vagrantc> some people use nx or vnc (or the new spice protocol?) to connect to remote sessions
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| 21:21 | <thafreak> cool...well thanks for your help
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| 21:21 | <vagrantc> LTSP is just a wrapper around existing technologies, for the most part
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| 21:22 | oh, you could also use rdp
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| 21:22 | i always forget about that one
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| 21:24 | <thafreak> yeah, I've tested xrdp, it's not too bad
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| 21:25 | so far though, nx seems the best...well maybe until spice is more widespread
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| 21:44 | <TheMatrix3000> alkisg: i would contribute i guess, how do i get access
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| 21:46 | how do i specify 2 dns server in lts.conf
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| 21:54 | <vagrantc> TheMatrix3000: i think just: DNS_SERVER = server1 server2
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| 21:55 | <TheMatrix3000> no ,
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| 22:10 | <Hyperbyte> TheMatrix3000, why do you need two?
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| 22:17 | <TheMatrix3000> failover my friend
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| 22:17 | if dns doesn't work, website navigation doesn't work
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| 22:18 | if that doesn't work we loose about 10k every hour
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| 22:18 | actually more like 6k every hour
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| 22:19 | based on everyones pay, and then sales not completed
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| 22:19 | lol
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| 22:21 | <vagrantc> TheMatrix3000: looking at the code, everywhere i find DNS_SERVER referenced, is seems to support an arbitrary number of servers.
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| 22:21 | <Hyperbyte> TheMatrix3000, you don't have a local DNS server in your network, do you?
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| 22:25 | <TheMatrix3000> yes because we have many local sites, and it needs to work so that we can switch servers in the case a critical service server goes down, we can modify dns and failover faster
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| 22:25 | lol
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| 22:27 | anyone recommend running LTSP-Cluster-Root on a VMWare session
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| 22:27 | it's a 8core 8gb ram system
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| 22:28 | i can assign 2gb ram to it
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| 23:01 | <Hyperbyte> TheMatrix3000, personally, if I made a failover for DNS, I'd make sure the failover part happens at the network routers/servers, not on the clients.
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| 23:08 | <TheMatrix3000> it does
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| 23:09 | dns runs on the routers
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| 23:09 | which are pfsense
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| 23:09 | i have 2 dns servers and they both basically mirror each others dns settings
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| 23:09 | now if one goes down
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| 23:09 | its still up
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| 23:09 | cause of CARP
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| 23:15 | <markit> TheMatrix3000: btw, if you are interested in virtualization, and prefer give your money to support a Free project instead of greedy vmware people, have a look at http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Main_Page
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| 23:17 | <TheMatrix3000> haha, i can't do that, unfortuately I am in a Medium Business environment and the CTO aka my boss would not let me do that
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| 23:19 | id have better luck convincing him to use kvm
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| 23:31 | <markit> proxmox uses kvm
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| 23:32 | <TheMatrix3000> maybe in the future
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| 23:33 | we use vmware at our colo for our external interfaces as well
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| 23:33 | and we are an INC 500 company
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| 23:33 | and was in the INC 50 in 2009
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| 23:34 | 24 InsuranceAgents.com Columbus OH Insurance $11.8 million 4,582.2%
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| 23:36 | in 2010 we were #68
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| 23:37 | #3 in the insurance industry
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| 23:38 | too many changes at once can cause issues
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| 23:38 | our it is 6 people
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| 23:38 | all but 2 are programmers
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| 23:38 | and the 2 is the CTO and myself
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| 23:41 | <markit> seems a web service... why do you use ltsp?
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| 23:42 | why = what usage do you have with it?
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| 23:42 | <TheMatrix3000> we use it for our internal sales agents
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| 23:42 | and customer service personell
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| 23:42 | personel*
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| 23:42 | it allows us to centralize the management for all of our employees, also making IT management extremely easy
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| 23:43 | we don't waste time reinstalling windows, or dealing with licensing
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| 23:44 | we sell a service to insurance agents
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| 23:44 | our sales dept is 80% of our company
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| 23:52 | <markit> lucky you are not victim of M$ lock-in... no M$office compatibility problems? No indispensable programs that run only on M$crapware?
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| 23:53 | <TheMatrix3000> nope
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| 23:54 | we actually use Google Apps for most stuff
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| 23:54 | and the only people with M$ is the Accounting Dept
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| 23:54 | which requires Excel for specific accounting spreadsheets
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| 23:54 | and banking sites
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| 23:54 | Check readers don't work easily on ubuntu lol
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| 23:54 | with banking sites haha
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| 23:58 | all of our applications have been custom web developed by our programmers
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| 23:58 | and myself for some minor things
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| 23:58 | I developed recently an intranet site, and use it for ticketing, asset tracking, and employee databases
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