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Channel log from 8 August 2015 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:33 | <syrius> hey all
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| 02:34 | anyone who can help me troubleshoot clients not connecting after upgrading packages on a opensuse 13.2 server?
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| 02:34 | i didn't see any ltsp updates
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| 02:36 | <syrius> there is /sbin/init-ltsp missing, which is referenced in the pxelinux.cfg/default file
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| 02:36 | cyberorg: are you around by chance?
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| 02:44 | <maldridge> syrius: so you ran an update and now clients can't connect?
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| 02:44 | <syrius> yeah, thin clients aren't getting dhcp
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| 02:45 | i haven't re-ran kiwi-ltsp-setup -c again or anything though
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| 02:45 | the main linux kernel did update though
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| 02:46 | i think maybe the /etc/sysconfig/kiwi-ltsp file got changed? but the mod date isn't different
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| 02:46 | i think we dropped AOE but it still states AOE & i586 in that file though we should be using the i386 image
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| 02:47 | <maldridge> is it possible that your firewall rules were overwritten?
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| 02:47 | I'm not very familiar with openSUSE, so I'm not sure how much help I can be
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| 02:47 | <syrius> i don't think the firewall is an issue. we use an external hardware firewall for everything
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| 02:48 | and that hasn't changed
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| 02:48 | <maldridge> but if nothing is connecting, the server's firewall may be blocking it
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| 02:50 | <syrius> hmm, i dunno. cyberorg helped me last time (january) and i finally did another round of updates
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| 02:51 | <maldridge> my suggestion would be to stick around and see if someone more familiar with your server's OS can help
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| 02:53 | <syrius> yep
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| 02:53 | will do, thanks
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| 03:19 | <syrius> got it (i think)
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| 03:19 | whew
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| 04:43 | <cyberorg> syrius, hi, whats the problem?
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| 05:08 | <syrius> cyberorg: all taken care of :) I updated packages and the server restarted for the first time since january... vbladed ran automatically but i needed to run kiwi-ltsp-setup -c again
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| 05:08 | apparently some settings didn't stick through the restart
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| 05:08 | should that be in a boot script?
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| 05:09 | <cyberorg> syrius, cool, running kiwi-ltsp -c should fix any config replaced by an update
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| 05:09 | <syrius> ah i see.. i just couldn't find where a config would have been overwritten is why i was confused
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| 05:10 | all the timestamps on the config files were the same.. it was like a service wasn't running because the thin clients couldn't even connect, period
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| 05:10 | where-as before at least they could connect but they weren't able to load the image correctly on login
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| 05:10 | but i still had my notes from you helping me last time, in addition to being able to check the bash history
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| 05:10 | so thanks again for the previous help :)
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| 05:11 | <cyberorg> you are welcome :)
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| 05:18 | <gehidore> man lost 3 more boxes today to viri... I really need to get less lazy and get this shit up and online...
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| 05:18 | replaced one with a direct install of arch and a minified xfce with printing and usb hotplug support...
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| 05:18 | see them break that
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| 13:33 | <lauri> Hi, I see LTSP is broken on Ubuntu 15.04? pxelinux.cfg stuff is not generated and also there seems to be some issues with NBD vs systemd?
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| 14:43 | <work_alkisg> lauri, the pxelinux.cfg bug was fixed, but I don't know anything about the nbd/systemd one
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| 14:43 | Did you search bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp ?
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| 14:47 | What is the problem, exactly?
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| 15:14 | <muppis> !lubuntu
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| 15:14 | <ltsp> lubuntu: To fix login problem with Lubuntu-desktop check this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/1330252
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| 15:14 | <lauri> work_alkisg: where was it fixed? The problem still persists in vanilla Ubuntu 15.04 install
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| 15:34 | <work_alkisg> lauri: it was fixed upstream in the ltsp source tree, and it will probably be in ubuntu 15.10
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| 15:34 | But you didn't mention the nbd problem yet...
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| 15:34 | <lauri> I am not sure what's going on
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| 15:35 | <work_alkisg> What are the symptoms?
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| 15:35 | <lauri> I am attempting to get anything going with 15.04 but I seem to bump roadblocks all the way
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| 15:35 | <alkisg> Not many people are using non-LTS ubuntu releases, they're of low quality
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| 15:36 | We have an ltsp daily builds ppa with updated versions, they'll probably work better
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| 15:36 | But of course all bugs should be reported in launchpad
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| 15:36 | Do you have anything specific currently, other than the pxelinux.cfg one, which is already fixed upstream?
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| 15:38 | This is the one you mentioned: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/1387773
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| 15:40 | <lauri> which PPA?
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| 15:41 | I am unable to get thin client booting on 15.04
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| 15:41 | It doesn't find the root
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| 15:41 | I tried both - NFS and NBD
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| 15:41 | and I am currently attempting to bootstrap another container
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| 15:43 | <alkisg> https://launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/+archive/ubuntu/daily
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| 15:43 | You need that in both the server and the chroot
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| 15:43 | Or, try 14.04 or 15.10
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| 15:44 | <lauri> okay
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| 16:24 | <lauri> So
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| 16:24 | Plain Ubuntu 15.10, installed ltsp-server-standalone
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| 16:24 | in.tftpd is seen under ps aux, but TFTP just times out
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| 16:28 | well
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| 16:28 | it seems because TFTP_ADDRESS="[::]:69"
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| 16:28 | who the hell thought binding to only IPv6 address is a good idea?
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| 16:33 | now the kernel boots and after DHCP request it says overlayfs missing 'workdir'
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| 17:46 | <lauri> the locale bug is still present in Debian 8's LTSP scripts
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| 17:46 | only way to bootstrap client is with LANG=C
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| 17:56 | <alkisg> lauri, are you using debian 8 or ubuntu 15.10?
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| 17:57 | <alkisg> Btw, why aren't you sticking to LTS releases which are more stable? They have new kernels, xorg etc... what are you missing from those?
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| 17:58 | Remember to file bug reports for whatever issues you find, although the workdir issue is already solved afaik
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| 17:59 | About tftpd, I'm not using it, but check if a related bug reports exists in the tftpd-hpa package (not in ltsp)
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| 17:59 | * alkisg is using dnsmasq | |
| 17:59 | <alkisg> About the "debian 8 locale bug", I've never heard of it... is it there in the debian bug tracker?
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| 18:09 | <lauri> I am testing many versions now
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| 18:09 | so to summarize
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| 18:09 | On Debian 8 jessie client boots okay, 14.04 LTS also client boots okay
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| 18:09 | 15.04 and 15.10 are broken
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| 18:10 | We need to upgrade stuff
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| 18:10 | we need OpenSSH 6.7 which is included starting from 15.04
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| 18:10 | I'd also like to migrate to systemd now
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| 18:10 | customer depends on software available only for Ubuntu 14.04 and 15.04
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| 18:11 | locale bug is present for all distros I've tested since 12.04
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| 18:11 | LANG=C ltsp-build-client works around it
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| 18:14 | obviously we're not going to ship 15.04 or 15.10 for production system :D
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| 18:14 | so I have to make something happen with 14.04 and demo a PoC with Debian perhaps
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| 18:32 | <alkisg> lauri, what is the locale bug, does it error out and with what command and output?
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| 18:32 | 15.10 doesn't yet fully use systemd, does it?
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| 18:33 | and I'm guessing it should be easy to use a newer openssh in 14.04... maybe with a ppa
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| 18:33 | <lauri> Ubuntu uses systemd starting from 15.04
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| 18:33 | <alkisg> lauri, run ps and check for upstart
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| 18:33 | It's still using upstart to manage user sessions, doesn't it?
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| 18:35 | <lauri> I am not moron
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| 18:36 | 15.04 is with systemd instead of upstart
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| 18:36 | <alkisg> lauri, noone is sayin that you're a moron or not
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| 18:36 | <lauri> the locale error happens if you're not living in Murrica
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| 18:36 | root@ltspjessie:~# ltsp-build-client
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| 18:36 | cp: `/etc/locale.gen' ja `//etc/locale.gen' on üks ja sama fail
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| 18:36 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 18:36 | <alkisg> I believe that 15.04 is using systemd for init, and upstart for user sessions
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| 18:36 | and I was asking you to verify that
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| 18:36 | Let me check in 15.10...
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| 18:37 | <lauri> on 15.10 this bug doesn't happen indeed
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| 18:37 | Debian 8 jessie is still affected
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| 18:37 | I have 5+ containers with LTSP here so I might mix up few bits
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| 18:37 | <alkisg> Yup, upstart and systemd in 15.10, like I said
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| 18:37 | <lauri> what a horrible spaghetti :D
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| 18:38 | I assumed that they completely switched
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| 18:39 | <alkisg> lauri, it sounds like ltsp-build-client is not using a correct path for base, e.g. /opt/ltsp
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| 18:39 | And that it's trying to copy locale.gen in the same place
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| 18:39 | Maybe you have a wrong configuration file?
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| 18:40 | <lauri> the locale bug happens with vanilla packages as well
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| 18:40 | just try switching to other locale
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| 18:40 | <alkisg> I'm greek, I've always been using non-US locales
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| 18:40 | <lauri> yasas :D
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| 18:40 | <alkisg> Hehe :)
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| 18:41 | <lauri> I've written LANG=C to most of my howtos
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| 18:41 | <alkisg> It shouldn't be needed
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| 18:42 | Do you have some configuration file, or some environment variable defined that breaks ltsp-build-client.
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| 18:42 | ?
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| 18:43 | <lauri> no
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| 18:43 | I've done this several iterations already
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| 18:43 | clean LXC containers
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| 18:43 | also in real virtual machines
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| 18:43 | apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
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| 18:43 | ltsp-build-client and kaboom
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| 18:44 | whenever the host is switched to Estonian
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| 18:50 | <alkisg> Try running it with `sh -x ltsp-build-client` to get a debug log
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| 18:50 | I think there's also an ltsp-build-client --debug or something
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| 18:50 | It runs fine here with LANG=el_GR.UTF-8
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| 19:04 | <lauri> ROOT ends up being not set in the /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Debian/025-locales
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| 19:11 | <alkisg> Yes, but why...
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