IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 5 February 2012 (all times are UTC)
| 00:11 | <SmallR2002> so guys, i am looking for a way to make it possible to log in to a linux box (vnc or rdp) and connect to a new user session and log in each time, does ltsp sound like the right path for me?
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| 01:32 | <Volkswagner> Greetings, I'm running Ubuntu Server 10.04 in a VM as the LTSP Server, Trying to get my first client up, but having video driver or resolution issues. I disabled splash and last message is "error in /etc/lts.conf line=7" Would that file be located at /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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| 01:33 | Odd thing is I commented out all exece [default] on the first line
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| 01:52 | OK, Problem is not with /etc/lts.conf... It may be due to me installing Lubuntu-Desktop via chroot? Client hangs at "Starting LTSP client... then get 'time out' errors like "ryslogd:381 blocked for more than 120 seconds"
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| 01:53 | Maybe time to start a fresh image
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| 01:53 | <SmallR2002> Volkswagner: maybe you can answer my question
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| 01:53 | <SmallR2002> so guys, i am looking for a way to make it possible to log in to a linux box (vnc or rdp) and connect to a new user session and log in each time, does ltsp sound like the right path for me?
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| 01:53 | as you seem to have a plan ;)
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| 01:57 | <Volkswagner> I'm not sure LTSP is what you are after. I think a basic linux install on the client then have it automatically login via rdesktop... like this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10460400#post10460400
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| 02:03 | <Volkswagner> SmallR2002; Perhaps I should ask what you mean "connect to a NEW user session"
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| 02:05 | <SmallR2002> something like a terminal server really
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| 02:06 | just like with a terminal server you connect to it and it lets you log in to *your* session
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| 02:12 | <Volkswagner> OK, LTSP client is not an RDP session, but it allows a thin client (even without a hard drive) to boot and have user login. Session occurs on server. You can even have the same user login via different client macines with proper config. Sounds like LTSP is for you!
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| 02:12 | <SmallR2002> can it provide this via vnc?
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| 02:13 | should be able to hack xrdp into passing the data to vnc
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| 02:14 | <Volkswagner> VNC is not an efficient protocol
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| 02:15 | I'm not sure why you want to combine VNC with LTSP?
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| 02:15 | If you want to use VNC, just create the users on the server and VNC into it.
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| 02:16 | If you want an added layer, install a server inside a VM for users to VNC into.
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| 02:19 | <SmallR2002> not really looking to boot from the server, mostly provide application usage
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| 02:19 | terminal services or citrix desktop style
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| 02:19 | <Volkswagner> Perhaps www.nomachine.com/ is what you are looking for
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| 02:20 | <SmallR2002> i was hoping to stay foss
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| 02:24 | <Volkswagner> Perhaps VNC, XDMCP, or FreeNX? Or search for Linux application server.
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| 02:25 | What OS are the clients running?
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| 02:55 | <SmallR2002> http://www.2x.com/terminalserver/
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| 02:59 | Volkswagner: did you get any of my pm responses?
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| 03:00 | <stgraber> vagrantc: I just uploaded a test snapshot of current trunk to my PPA. I'll try to test it tomorrow, fix any bug in trunk and update my packaging, hopefully releasing a new LTSP and uploading on Monday.
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| 03:12 | <Volkswagner> Can anyone tell me how I can force Screen resolution.. I have tried "video=ofonly" and "vga=792" in my /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and " X_MODE_0 = 1024x768" in my lts.conf
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| 03:13 | No joy yet... Running Ubuntu 10.04
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| 03:17 | Got a workaroun so far.... Used "nomodeset" in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 03:17 | That gets me a decent resolution so I can see my login field!
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| 03:19 | Now shall I try to install Lubuntu-Desktop again? Or roll my own?
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| 03:25 | SmallR2002, I did PM you back
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| 03:44 | <vagrantc> stgraber: i was planning to work on LTSP on monday too.
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| 03:46 | stgraber: would like to not use mkdst for the tarball.
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| 03:46 | stgraber: i've got a stupid script that i've been using for tarball creation, but i should really patch mkdst to allow to not run with the autofoo stuff, i suppose.
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| 08:14 | <VectorX> is there something for mac os similar to rdesktop that can be used with ltsp and will be as fast ?
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| 08:45 | <alkisg> SmallR2002: x2go provides remote connections to linux servers from standalone workstations
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| 08:45 | It's similar to freenx, neatx-server etc but better supported
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| 09:29 | <VectorX> is there something for mac os similar to rdesktop that can be used with ltsp and will be as fast ?
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| 09:30 | <alkisg> Isn't that a mac os question? Isn't there a channel for that OS?
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| 09:31 | I'm sure mac os must have an rdesktop client, but I don't see how it relates to #ltsp...
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| 09:31 | <VectorX> alkisg well what i am trying to do is similar to connecting to say XP via ltsp thin client, connect to a mac using the same method
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| 09:32 | <alkisg> You mean that an ltsp client will be the client, and a mac os server will be the server?
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| 09:34 | <VectorX> basically this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJmMcNPBgig but instead of windows to a mac
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| 09:34 | hehe
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| 09:35 | <alkisg> So what I wrote above. Then yes that would be LTSP related, but the server part is still mac-os related.
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| 09:36 | E.g. if macs use vnc as the server, you just need a vnc screen script
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| 09:37 | <VectorX> where are the scripts located
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| 09:38 | or do you mean just the SCREEN_07= params
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| 09:40 | <alkisg> First, solve the problem of connecting from standalone linux to your mac server
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| 09:40 | Then, ask here on how to make that method a screen script
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| 09:40 | Yes, I mean about SCREEN_07=vnc params, you'd need a screen script for that
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| 09:40 | <VectorX> ai ai cap'n
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| 09:42 | i was trying to get some 1gbps pci cards, but cant seem to find any with a boot rom
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| 09:43 | <alkisg> Some realtek-based ones only cost 7€ here, while intel ones with boot rom about 25€
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| 09:43 | So we're using ipxe with some boot medium instead (hard disk, floppy, cd ...)
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| 09:46 | <VectorX> alkisg can you give me a couple of links for each realtek and intel
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| 09:46 | maybe i can get it from the same place
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| 09:47 | <alkisg> http://www.e-shop.gr/show_per.phtml?id=PER.612307
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| 09:47 | http://www.e-shop.gr/show_per.phtml?id=PER.616214
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| 09:47 | <VectorX> ty
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| 09:47 | <alkisg> Complete list: http://www.e-shop.gr/search_per.phtml?category=%CA%C1%D1%D4%C1+%C4%C9%CA%D4%D5%CF%D5
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| 09:47 | <VectorX> i mean with the boot rom
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| 09:48 | <alkisg> The second link is the one with the boot rom
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| 09:48 | (PER.616214) INTEL PRO/1000 GT DESKTOP ADAPTER LOW PROFILE BULK
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| 09:49 | But all intel-based that I've seen so far have boot rom, so you can probably just google for a shop near you
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| 09:50 | Also it's possible to buy cheap ones, and buy boot roms separarately, they cost about 0.5€ here
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| 10:01 | <VectorX> whats funny is looking at the intel cards which are costing around ~$30 most of the computers i got cost $40
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| 10:11 | <alkisg> You have old desktop PCs? Why not use their 100mbps cards then?
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| 11:41 | <epoptes_user7> Has anybody tried the latest version of Epoptes?
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| 11:42 | I have installed it, but it is not working properly.
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| 11:44 | <alkisg> ...stay for a few minutes after asking?! :)
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> epoptes_user3: would you mind sharing your screen with me, so that we troubleshoot the problem more easily?
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| 13:18 | Run this command, both from the pc where you run the epoptes UI, and from one client computer:
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| 13:18 | x11vnc -connect alkisg.dyndns.org
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| 13:19 | <epoptes_user3> ok
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| 13:19 | <Hyperbyte> Morning alkisg. :-)
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> Hi Hyperbyte, what's up? :)
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| 13:20 | <Hyperbyte> Nothing much. Enjoying last day of vacation. :)
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| 13:20 | Also looking forwarding to going work again a little as well.
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| 13:22 | <epoptes_user3> Alkis, can you access them?
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| 13:23 | alkisg: can you access them?
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| 13:23 | <alkisg> epoptes_user3: no
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| 13:24 | epoptes_user3: in the epoptes UI, in the help menu, go to "remote support"
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| 13:24 | and put my ip there: alkisg.dyndns.org
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| 13:24 | Watch out for typos
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| 13:24 | <epoptes_user3> sorry, I had typed alkis, instead of alkisg
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| 13:25 | I am trying again
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| 13:25 | <alkisg> ok
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| 13:25 | epoptes_user3: I'm seeing them now :)
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| 13:26 | <epoptes_user3> ok
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| 13:31 | <alkisg> epoptes_user3: we've seen this problem once before, but we've never been able to reproduce it
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| 13:32 | I will take us a bit of time, but we'd appreciate if you allowed us to troubleshoot in your clients
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| 13:32 | Can you put the password in lab1-01 so that I can change the screenshot.py script?
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| 13:32 | <epoptes_user3> ok
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| 13:34 | <alkisg> epoptes_user3: in the "[sudo] password for student: " prompt
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| 13:38 | epoptes_user3: thanks, could you do the same in the other pc too?
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| 13:38 | I'm suspecting it might be a buffering problem with openssl...
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| 13:39 | <epoptes_user3> I did it
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| 13:46 | <alkisg> epoptes_user3: I can make it work by putting a dot in that "stdout.write" line
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| 13:46 | But I don't know what causes the lost of the last byte, maybe twisted?
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| 13:46 | (the python daemon)
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| 13:47 | Anyway it won't hurt to put it there... so I'll do that, to make the problem go away for you, until we find out exactly what causes it
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| 13:47 | <epoptes_user3> Ok, now what should I do for the rest of the clients?
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| 13:48 | should copy that file to each of them?
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| 13:48 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 13:48 | /usr/share/epoptes-client/screenshot
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| 13:48 | Let me get some info about your graphics driver though
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| 13:48 | ...maybe we'll be able to reproduce it with a similar graphics card? :-/
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| 13:50 | Nah it's the usual i915 driver
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| 13:51 | <epoptes_user3> Maybe the graphics card is the problem. On some other HP computers (All-in-One), I couldn't install linux at all, because of the graphics card.
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| 13:52 | * alkisg shrugs... will commit that dot fix, it doesn't hurt other users anyway | |
| 13:52 | <epoptes_user3> ok, where to copy /usr/share/epoptes-client/screenshot to?
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| 13:53 | <alkisg> To all your other clients
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| 13:53 | You can also patch it with a sed command
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| 13:53 | If it's easier for you
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| 13:55 | <epoptes_user3> ok, thanks
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| 13:55 | but monitor user and assist user still don't work
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| 14:00 | <alkisg> epoptes_user3: it appears that xvnc4viewer AND vinagre have problems on amd64 :)
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| 14:00 | Let me find a viewer that works, and we'll need to file bugs against those packages
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| 14:00 | <epoptes_user3> so we can't fix them for the time being?
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| 14:00 | <alkisg> Not those, but we can use another viewer
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| 14:00 | Give me 1 min...
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| 14:01 | <epoptes_user3> We can also continue tomorrow morning, if you are tired.
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> epoptes_user3: ssvncviewer works fine
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| 14:02 | <epoptes_user3> Ok, what should I do to fix the problem?
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| 14:02 | <alkisg> So if you run "ssvncviewer -listen" when you run epoptes, monitoring students etc will work
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| 14:03 | <epoptes_user3> Ok, I will try
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| 14:03 | Can I put it on /etc/rc.local ?
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| 14:03 | so that it starts as soon as the computer is started?
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| 14:03 | <alkisg> A better way would be to put a bin/epoptes wrapper
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| 14:04 | That launches both ssvncviewer and epoptes
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| 14:04 | Is there only 1 teacher using epoptes?
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| 14:04 | <epoptes_user3> yes
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| 14:04 | <alkisg> OK I'll make you a wrapper in a while, let me try something about the first bug again..
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| 14:06 | epoptes_user3: can you press F8 to terminate ssvncviewerr?
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| 14:06 | I can't do that from my vnc client :-/
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| 14:07 | thanks :)
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| 14:09 | <epoptes_user3> ssvncviewer -listen
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| 14:11 | <alkisg> right sorry :)
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| 14:13 | epoptes_user3: news:
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| 14:13 | We solved the problem with the screenshots
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| 14:13 | There's no need for you to change the epoptes-client/screenshot files in any clients
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| 14:14 | The problem was in gui.py, it's ok now, I'll commit the fix upstream too
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| 14:14 | <epoptes_user3> This is good
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| 14:14 | <alkisg> Now about the other problems, those are not epoptes problems
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| 14:14 | And we need to report the bugs
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| 14:14 | It would be best if you filed them, because you have the systems that can reproduce them
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| 14:15 | But if you don't have a launchpad account, or if you don't want to etc, I can file them, but I'd need the error messages
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| 14:15 | Will you file the bugs or should I collect the errors and file them myself?
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| 14:15 | <epoptes_user3> I don't where to file and what to file, this is the problem
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| 14:15 | <alkisg> I can help you there
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| 14:15 | <epoptes_user3> so it would be better if you did it
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> OK
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| 14:16 | <epoptes_user3> ok, whatever you think is best
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| 14:16 | <alkisg> Do you have a launchpad account?
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| 14:16 | In www.launchpad.net...
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| 14:16 | <epoptes_user3> I have, but I don't remember the password right now
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| 14:17 | <alkisg> OK let me get the error output and I'll file the bugs myself,
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| 14:17 | and I'll send you the links so you can comment afterwards if needed
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| 14:17 | <epoptes_user3> great
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| 14:24 | <alkisg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/830079
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| 14:24 | epoptes_user3: ok, I think I have everything needed to report those bugs to vinagre and xvnc4viewer
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| 14:25 | So, 1 fixed epoptes bug, 1 vinagre bug, and 1 xvnc4viewer bug, that was a full day :) :)
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| 14:25 | <epoptes_user3> alkisg: thank you very much, you have done a great job today
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| 14:26 | I hope that now everything works
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| 14:26 | if not, I will try to contact you again
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| 14:30 | <alkisg> epoptes_user3: thank you for your patience :)
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| 14:31 | <epoptes_user3> is it ok to reboot now?
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| 14:31 | <alkisg> epoptes_user3: yes, of course
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| 14:31 | <epoptes_user3> thanks, see you later
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| 14:32 | <alkisg> bb
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| 14:37 | <alkisg> stgraber: remember when I was mentioning that vinagre's reverse connections weren't working, and then I thought that it was fixed?
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| 14:37 | It turns out it's not working in amd64 and it's working in i386
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| 14:37 | That's what got me confused
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| 15:05 | <SmallR2002> VectorX: i use the ms client for rdp on my mac, it's pretty stable other than spawning windows when it loses connection sometimes
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> I think he's looking for the opposite, for a way to control the mac screen from another pc
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| 15:07 | <SmallR2002> ah
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| 15:07 | there's a couple of options that way
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| 15:07 | <VectorX> SmallR2002 im trying to load a mac on a thin client via LTSP, although I cant remember the admin password for the mac and cant find the install disks to reset to im gonna have to wait on it, it needs the admin password to enable sharing and setting a password for that
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| 15:08 | <SmallR2002> logmein free, teamviewer
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| 15:08 | if you can log in then teamviewer should do the job
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| 15:08 | and i'd imagine you can chroot into a mac partition
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| 15:11 | i mean, it's just unix with a price tag
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| 15:48 | <alkisg> Hmm the xvnc4viewer bug is a known one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vnc4/+bug/845855
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| 16:43 | <stgraber> alkisg: ok, so VNC is broken on 64bit for both vinagre and vnc4?
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| 16:43 | <alkisg> stgraber: yup
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| 16:43 | Actually, reverse connetions, not all of it
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| 16:44 | * alkisg is testing a patch in launchpad for vnc4... | |
| 16:45 | <alkisg> stgraber: the patch in launchpad makes it wrk
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| 16:45 | wokr
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| 16:45 | work :D
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| 16:45 | <stgraber> alkisg: ok, can you check if the same patch can somehow apply to vinagre?
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| 16:45 | <alkisg> It's a one-line patch, should I send a .debdiff? Can you help in sponshoring it etc?
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| 16:46 | I don't think we have any chance for it to be the same source code bug...
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| 16:48 | <stgraber> alkisg: just upload it yourself ;)
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| 16:49 | (vnc4 is in the Edubuntu package set)
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| 16:49 | <alkisg> stgraber: errr I know how to sync from Debian but I don't know how to upload yet!
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| 16:49 | Any small hints?
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| 16:49 | <vagrantc> i suppose i should check if this is borked on amd64, then??
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| 16:49 | on debian
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| 16:49 | <alkisg> vagrantc: yes
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| 16:49 | <stgraber> vagrantc: that'd be nice yes
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| 16:50 | <vagrantc> i only tested on i386
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| 16:50 | <alkisg> Ah vagrantc can you upload that to debian?
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| 16:50 | If so, I can just sync it later :P
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| 16:50 | <vagrantc> it's a patch to vnc4?
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| 16:50 | <stgraber> alkisg: well, for PPAs you use "dput ppa:alkisg/blah blah.changes" for the archive you use "dput blah.changes"
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| 16:50 | <alkisg> stgraber: copy, I'll try it
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| 16:51 | <vagrantc> i'd have to check with the maintainer, but if a bug was filed with patch, that's the place to start.
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| 16:51 | <stgraber> alkisg: vnc4 isn't in sync with Debian, so you'll need to "merge" it instead of sync it
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| 16:51 | <alkisg> vagrantc: test case: `xvnc4viewer -listen` in amd64 pc, and `x11vnc -connect amd64pc` from any pc
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| 16:51 | Ah
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| 16:51 | <stgraber> alkisg: if you want to make sure you do it right the first time, just upload all the files somewhere I can have a look at it before you do the dput
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| 16:51 | <vagrantc> there's a bit of ownership/politeness around packages in debian
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| 16:51 | <stgraber> alkisg: (always a good idea not to mess up the first upload to the archive ;))
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| 16:51 | <alkisg> Yeah :D
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| 16:53 | vagrantc: epoptes had a bug (commit #158) and we'll need to upload a new version in the next days... is it less trouble if we upload before it hits testing?
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| 16:54 | <vagrantc> alkisg: depends on what you mean by trouble
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| 16:55 | alkisg: i.e. if it's less important to fix than what's currently in testing...
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| 16:55 | <alkisg> Personal work.. I know it takes you time to upload, does it take time for another person to put it to testing?
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| 16:55 | <vagrantc> alkisg: if it's important to hit testing fast (i.e. security bug, data loss, etc) then i can make it migrate a little faster
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| 16:56 | <alkisg> It makes screenshots fail when the right-down byte is black ==> considered as "space" from python.strip()
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| 16:56 | <vagrantc> alkisg: testing migration is basically automatic
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| 16:56 | <alkisg> So, loss of thumbnails, nothing security related
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| 16:56 | Ah, nice, so the only person we torture for the frequent releases is you. Sorry! :D
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| 16:56 | <vagrantc> alkisg: no worries.
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| 16:57 | alkisg: i could probably upload tomorrow, today's a little tight
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| 16:57 | <alkisg> It's fine, I can also check the logrotate script which doesn't really do what I want it to
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| 17:00 | <alkisg> (06:50:32 μμ) vagrantc: it's a patch to vnc4? ==> I didn't answer that... yes, it's a single line in common/network/TcpSocket.cxx, after line 262: addrlen = sizeof(struct sockaddr_in);
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| 17:00 | I guess I have to put that as a debian/patches file... oh well, I'll learn 2 new things today :D
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| 17:28 | <alkisg> stgraber: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~alkisg/+junk/vnc4/changes
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| 17:29 | * alkisg creates a recipe for that, to test the package... | |
| 17:38 | <alkisg> https://code.launchpad.net/~alkisg/+recipe/vnc4
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| 17:40 | <stgraber> alkisg: that looks good. If you confirm the patch indeed gets applied in your test package, this should be good to upload.
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> OK let me run debuild locally and test if it works..
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| 18:17 | <alkisg> stgraber: no, it doesn't seem that the patch gets applied... any ideas why? I tried locally with debuild and with the above recipe, both resulting .debs don't work
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| 18:22 | <stgraber> alkisg: hmm, well, it looks like the patches are in patches/ mostly to look nice, they are also applied inline in the .diff.gz. So you'll apparently need to apply the patch to the source before doing the debuild -S -sa
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| 18:23 | <alkisg> stgraber: hehe, ok, I'll do that
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| 18:23 | Thanks
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| 18:29 | <vagrantc> diff.gz ? old-school!
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| 18:34 | <stgraber> well, it's a bit weird, because it's .diff.gz + patches in debian/patches
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| 18:35 | but they seem to only be there as documentation of what was changed rather than being applied at build time
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| 18:35 | (as in, nothing in debian/rules even looks at them, there's no patch system as dependency or debian/patches/series)
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| 18:37 | <alkisg> Based on the tiny RAM vnc4 requires, I thought it was a small utility... but it takes 15 minutes to build in my vm :)
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> that's cruelty.
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| 18:39 | i mean, the debian/patches with a lump diff.gz
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| 19:02 | <alkisg> Yup that worked ( http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~alkisg/+junk/vnc4/changes)
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| 19:02 | So stgraber I'm supposed to do just that?
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| 19:02 | debuild -S -sa; dput ../*.changes
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| 19:43 | <stgraber> alkisg: looking
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| 19:43 | alkisg: yep, that looks good, just dput the .changes
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| 19:43 | <alkisg> Ty, doing so (-S -sa, right?)
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| 19:47 | <alkisg> Done
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| 19:57 | <stgraber> alkisg: did it work? I don't see an upload notification for vnc4 yet
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| 19:59 | <alkisg> Package includes an .orig.tar.gz file although the debian revision suggests that it might not be required. Multiple uploads of the .orig.tar.gz may be rejected by the upload queue management software.
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| 19:59 | ... Successfully uploaded packages.
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| 19:59 | Let me check my mails...
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| 20:00 | stgraber: accepted, Announcing to precise-changes@lists.ubuntu.com
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| 20:01 | <stgraber> alkisg: ok, just received it now, took a while apparently
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| 20:01 | * alkisg feels proud for his first real upload :D | |
| 20:02 | <stgraber> hehe, congrats. Hopefully first of many ;)
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| 20:02 | <alkisg> Hope so! :)
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| 20:03 | komunista: we'll be releasing a new epoptes version tomorrow, if you want you can update the Slovak translation - I'll send a mail to the rest of the translators later on too
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| 20:03 | <komunista> alkisg: thanks, I will do it :-)
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| 20:17 | <alkisg> (if I manage to find a way to contact them, that is... their emails don't show up in the .po files :()
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| 20:18 | <komunista> alkisg: done ;-)
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| 20:22 | alkisg: yes, I see now, that launchpad removes the email address :-(
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| 20:29 | <alkisg> I wonder if we have to create an epoptes-translators mailing list... or an epoptes-users one
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| 20:29 | Thanks for the translation :)
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| 20:29 | <vagrantc> what?!
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| 20:30 | that's ridiculous ...
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| 20:30 | <alkisg> Yeah no email address in the .po files :-/
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| 20:30 | <vagrantc> if there are any licensing issues there's left no way to contact them?
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| 20:30 | or any number of other issues
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| 20:31 | <alkisg> One way is with the "contact user" form, but I wouldn't want to do that for every translation update
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| 20:49 | <komunista> I am in some ML for translators only, it is very good solution, while no daily messages from users, only translation related...
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| 20:50 | only info about new releases and if someone has problem...
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| 21:50 | <alkisg> stgraber: the armel and armhf builds failed, should I worry?
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| 21:53 | <stgraber> alkisg: yes, do you have build logs?
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| 21:54 | <alkisg> stgraber: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archive/primary/+sourcepub/2240124/+listing-archive-extra
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| 21:55 | stgraber: the previous upload had also failed: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vnc4/4.1.1+xorg4.3.0-37ubuntu3
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| 21:56 | So even if it's a bug, it's unrelated to my upload :P
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| 21:56 | <stgraber> ok, so they both failed for the same reason too. I wouldn't worry too much about it just yet, but it'd be nice to have it fixed before release
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| 21:57 | it also looks like the failure could happen on the other architectures but just didn't yet because that .a is still shipped there
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| 22:01 | <alkisg> Ah stgraber btw could we remove the shutdown/reboot upstart scripts from ltsp in ubuntu? They prevent the epoptes-client to normally close the connection and notify the server. It's not a big problem since the server will notice after a 10 sec timeout, but I think that they're not needed anymore anyway...
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| 22:16 | <alkisg> 'night all
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