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Channel log from 26 November 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:48 | <mardok> Is there a way to get a LTSP server working on PowerPC?
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| 01:25 | <sep> mardok, use --arch when you make the chroot with ltsp-build-client i'd guess
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| 01:40 | <johnny> mardok, sure, if there's a build of that distribution that somewhat matches the host distro
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| 01:41 | like, if there's no powerpc version of the current ubuntu distro release already for powerpc, you won't be able to build a client
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| 01:42 | and, once you do that, you have to actually build the client distro from powerpc
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| 01:42 | from the powerpc machine
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| 01:42 | then you can copy it back to the server, and serve it up
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| 01:42 | then all you have to worry about is setting up yaboot of whatever remote boot method it uses
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| 01:42 | s/of/or/
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| 03:59 | <BenG> heya all
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| 03:59 | good morning
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| 03:59 | I'm trying to run a Debian Squeeze based LTSP-5 on a vserver (i.e. Linux-vserver), most things work really well
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| 04:00 | sound, video, nbd root image
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| 04:00 | some stuff doesn't: USB keys and NBD swap to be precise
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| 04:01 | swap documentation does not work for sure
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| 04:01 | as in /usr/share/docs/ltsp-server/swap - instruction don't work
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| 04:01 | if anyone is in a remotely similar situation, please check in with me and we'll swap notes
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| 04:02 | has anyone NBD swap or USB keys working on Debian Squeeze?
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| 05:16 | <BenG> wow, 1 hour and no response!
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| 05:16 | is anybody home?
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| 06:21 | <pingufan> Hello, I want to ask here in parallel to #kiwi-ltsp as there are only a few users. I was running openSuSE 11.1 with kiwi-ltsp and did an upgrade to 11.3 a few days ago. Now I noticed that ltsp is not working any more. The client boots the loader, but the last line sais: "Could not find kernel image: boot/linux", followed by boot: _
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| 06:21 | Please, can somebody help me? I am a novice with ltsp.
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| 06:24 | <Hyperbyte> pingufan, probably means there's a problem in your tftpboot directory.
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| 06:26 | Check your tftpboot directory, to see if there's kernel images in there and if pxelinux.cfg/default correctly references those images
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| 06:28 | <mgariepy> morning everyone !
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| 06:29 | <Hyperbyte> Good afternoon Marc. :-)
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| 06:33 | <pingufan> Hyperbyte: I see a wrong IP in the default file, pointing to 192.168.0.254. My server is 10.0.0.4 where KIWI is installed. Must I edit that?
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| 06:40 | Should the image directory inside the tftp server contain a kernel image? This dir is now empty!
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| 06:45 | I'm afraif I will have to setup everything new, but I must leave for one hour. Can somebody then guide me, please?
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| 06:50 | <Hyperbyte> pingufan, I'm not 100% sure what your tftpboot directory should look like and/or how you can regenerate it (someone else will be able to help you with that)
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| 06:50 | I do hope I pointed you into the right direction at least.
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| 08:09 | <Uzzi> hi I've this error: this workstation isn't authorized to connect to server I've do ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image. but the error is the same
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| 08:10 | <pingufan> Hyperbyte: Thank you. You don' know which community-repositories I will need to upgrade kiwi-ltsp on SuSE 11.3 ?
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| 08:11 | I accidently uninstalled the kiwi boot images and find no source for them.
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| 08:11 | <Uzzi> Is it possible to have dhcp server on ip and ltsp server on other ip?
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| 08:13 | <ogra_ac> pingufan, there should be a #kiwi-ltsp channel, note that the suse implementation massively differs from all other ltsp implementations
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| 08:14 | <pingufan> I am logged in there, too. 6 persons, all of them appear not to be at their keyboards... :(
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| 08:14 | <ogra_ac> well, dont expect much knowledge about kiwi in here
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| 08:14 | <alkisg> Uzzi: distro/version?
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| 08:17 | <Uzzi> debian
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| 08:18 | lenny
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| 08:18 | <alkisg> Uzzi: are you using nbd?
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| 08:18 | <Uzzi> no
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| 08:18 | <alkisg> Debian doesn't need ltsp-update-image since it's using NFS
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| 08:18 | <Uzzi> only nfs
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| 08:18 | <alkisg> So don't run that command on debian
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| 08:18 | <Uzzi> ok
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| 08:18 | <alkisg> !SCREEN_08
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| 08:18 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "SCREEN_08" :: To get a root shell on a Debian thin client, put SCREEN_07=ldm, SCREEN_08=shell and SCREEN_DEFAULT=07 to lts.conf.
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| 08:19 | <alkisg> Get a root shell, and try: ssh user@server
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| 08:19 | Change "user" to an existing username, but leave "server" exactly as it is, don't change it.
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| 08:19 | See if you get any warnings about ssh keys there.
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| 08:20 | <Uzzi> Nov 26 14:33:19 ServerFillea ltsp: # Creating dsa-hostkey for 172.16.6.50 Nov 26 14:33:19 ServerFillea ltsp: # Creating rsa-hostkey for 172.16.6.50 only these
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| 08:21 | <alkisg> Uzzi: I mean in the ssh command
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| 08:21 | Not in any logs
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| 08:21 | See what I wrote above
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| 08:21 | <Uzzi> * Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server sshd [ OK ]
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| 08:22 | <alkisg> Uzzi: erm, do you need me to write more specific steps?
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| 08:22 | Can you get a root shell on a thin client?
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| 08:22 | As written above?
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| 08:26 | <Uzzi> root@ltsp:/#
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| 08:26 | <alkisg> Nice. Now, run: ssh user@server
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| 08:26 | (04:18:47 PM) alkisg: Change "user" to an existing username, but leave "server" exactly as it is, don't change it.
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| 08:26 | (04:18:59 PM) alkisg: See if you get any warnings about ssh keys there.
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| 08:30 | <Uzzi> alwayse command not found
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> What is alwayse?
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| 08:30 | The command was "ssh"
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| 08:30 | <Uzzi> yes
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| 08:30 | <alkisg> Yes, ssh is there
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| 08:30 | You can't connect without ssh.
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| 08:32 | <Uzzi> ltsp login: root ----->bash:root: command not found---->root@ltsp:/#----->ssh---->Password----->
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| 08:34 | <alkisg> I don't understand what you're saying.
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| 08:34 | <alkisg> Did you run "ssh user@server"?
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| 08:34 | <Uzzi> And after always Login incorrect
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| 08:34 | <alkisg> If you can't ssh, then it's not an ltsp problem
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| 08:34 | <Uzzi> in other client yes no problem
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| 08:35 | now i'm opening a ssh session, to see the log and reboot or reload services
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| 08:35 | <alkisg> Sorry, I can't understand what you're saying or trying to do. Goodbye.
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| 08:35 | <Uzzi> :(
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| 08:36 | <alkisg> I hope this isn't impolite, I really can't understand :(
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| 08:36 | <Uzzi> I've an ssh session opened now
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| 08:41 | I think ssh works fine
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| 08:42 | Nov 26 15:36:08 ServerFillea sshd[20306]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user andrea by (uid=0)
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| 08:44 | <alkisg> The steps above were specifically to test ssh from *thin client local shells*
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| 08:44 | That way you would test the ssh keys *in your chroot*
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| 08:44 | <alkisg> It was not about ssh in general...
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| 08:44 | Anyway, need to go, bye.
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| 08:45 | <Uzzi> ok I'm tryng do it
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| 08:46 | in chroot ssh works fine too
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| 08:47 | <alkisg> No, not in chroot. In the local client shell.
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| 08:47 | Bye.
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| 08:55 | <gnunux> hi
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| 12:10 | <novacaine> hi all. i'm a teacher in a italian high school, today we installed the ltsp server in one of our labs as an experiment hoping to migrate every labs to linux systems...but i miss something on the working properties: the thin client should see only the files in /opt/ltsp/i386 ?
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| 12:11 | <novacaine> i can't undestand why the thin client log in with the server users. i tried to chroot on /opt/ltsp/i386 and make an user
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| 12:11 | but the thin client doesn't see it
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| 12:11 | <vagrantc> novacaine: the thin client itself will only see files inside /opt/ltsp/i386, but you typically log into the server from the thin client, and so your session is actually running on the server...
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| 12:12 | novacaine: think of the thin client as an extra monitor, keyboard and mouse for the server.
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| 12:12 | <novacaine> i logged in the thin client with the same user of the server, i installed an application and i saw that it was installed on the server not on the /opt/ltsp
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| 12:13 | <vagrantc> correct.
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| 12:13 | <novacaine> ok but i think of / and /opt/ltsp as two roots. where do I should create users for the thin clients?
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| 12:13 | <vagrantc> you create users, install applications, etc. all on the server.
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| 12:13 | <novacaine> so why is necessary to set up a root on /opt/ltsp if the thin clients see users and application of the server?
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| 12:14 | <vagrantc> for a typical setup... there are other modes of operation, called fat clients, where it's more complicated
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| 12:14 | novacaine: that's the operating system that the thin client boots.
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| 12:15 | novacaine: people log into the server *though* the thin client.
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| 12:15 | novacaine: so the thin client needs a basic environment to be able to allow the users to do that.
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| 12:16 | novacaine: are you familiar with ssh? this is basically ssh with X forwarding... i.e. ssh -X (or specifically, ssh -Y)
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| 12:16 | <novacaine> ok but let's imagine a thing, it could bootstrap from the same root of the server, there is no conceptual problem? we create the /opt/ltsp root just to have a minimal client ? right?
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| 12:17 | yes, i saw the ltsp today for the first time and i thought it was ssh with x forwarding..
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| 12:19 | vagrantc: so the /opt/ltsp directory exists just to have a minimal boot and avoid the thin client to boot from the "big" server that could have an heavier system?
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| 12:19 | <vagrantc> novacaine: more or less
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| 12:20 | <novacaine> ok and what i miss? :)
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| 12:20 | <vagrantc> i don't know what you've missed
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| 12:20 | i mean, having an environment dedicated to the thin client alone allows to do customizations specific to the thin-client, which would be trickier if you shared it for multiple purposes.
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| 12:22 | <novacaine> ok but i can't understand if i want to install an application for the thin clients, i have to install on the server root and not in /opt/ltsp, i mean i have to to apt-get install xx and not chroot /opt/ltsp... apt-get ...
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> because you're logged into the server
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| 12:23 | <novacaine> so which kind of personalizaiont can I do on the (opt/ltsp
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> !docs
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| 12:23 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 12:23 | * vagrantc wonders if that's actually up to do | |
| 12:24 | <vagrantc> novacaine: there are infinite possibilities... what do you *want* to do?
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| 12:26 | <novacaine> ok ok i just wanted to figure out which was the role of the /opt/ltsp if we see users and apps of the server...
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| 12:29 | <vagrantc> it is the minimal operating system to boot to LDM, which is essentially a GUI frontend to ssh -X
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| 12:29 | (it's a bit of a white lie, in that it can do lots of other things, but that's the default use)
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| 12:30 | <novacaine> ok it's as i've thought
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| 12:30 | <vagrantc> novacaine: now that you understand that... the things where you would actually mess with the chroot more directly would be "localapps", where some of the applications actually do run on the thin-client itself, but most run on the server
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| 12:31 | and then another thin called fat clients, where all of the applications run on the thin-client itself
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| 12:32 | and remoteapps, where most applications are run on the thin-client hardware, but some are run on the server
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| 12:32 | just to keep you on your toes :)
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| 12:33 | but the defaults are just plain thin-clients, where everything is running on the server :)
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| 12:33 | (well, nearly everything)
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| 12:33 | obviously X itself is running on the thin-client
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| 12:34 | <novacaine> ok i'v got it. i saw localapps today because we think that some apps like firefox is better if they run on the clients
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| 12:35 | <vagrantc> if your clients are powerful enough, playing with localapps or maybe even fat clients is worth exploring
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| 12:36 | though even with all those technologies, i think the user is still located on the server itself.
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| 12:36 | <novacaine> ok i say you that i've not read a lot of docs, but let's imagine that i want all the thin clients to shut down at a specific hour, i need to set up cron on /opt/ltsp.... of i can do this via ltsp.conf?
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| 12:36 | <vagrantc> there's an lts.conf option for that
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| 12:36 | !lts.conf
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| 12:36 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 12:40 | <novacaine> ok thank you for all....
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| 12:40 | maybe we will do a revolution in our school...but i think it's a bit hard :)
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc> it is difficult... hopefully worth it :)
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| 12:42 | one nice thing is you can fairly easily set up the infrastructure to dual-boot an OS from the disk and network
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| 12:45 | <novacaine> yes we did this today. cause there are a lot "bureaucratic" difficult to set up a dual "disk" boot so we decided to use ltsp so we just have to modify one machine...
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| 12:46 | but here in italy in the school microsoft still rule...no one has enough skill to work on linux...
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| 12:46 | we're a bit late in the public administration
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| 12:56 | <novacaine> vagrantc: is there some app to control the thib client? i saw thin-client-manager but i think it lacks a lot of tings
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| 12:57 | <vagrantc> i think thin-client-manager is unmaintained... not sure about alternatives
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| 12:58 | alkisg (who just left) has been working on something
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| 12:58 | <novacaine> ok maybe i will ask in the future
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| 13:19 | <mikeshultz> Look for resources on server hardware and what kind of resources would be needed per client. Can any of you point me in the right direction?
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| 13:21 | Just found the ServerSizing wiki page. n/m
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