IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 1 July 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:41 | <alkisg> !button_layout
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| 00:41 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "button_layout" :: To revert the Ubuntu button position and ordering to their old values, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout menu:minimize,maximize,close
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| 00:52 | * alkisg wonders if enabling metacity's compositing_manager setting will workaround the pixmaps problem... | |
| 01:07 | <alkisg> Nope. I also wonder if it's more stable than compiz for LTSP though...
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| 01:39 | <csaba> hi all
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| 01:40 | I need some assistance with ltsp
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| 01:40 | I am using ubuntu 10.04
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| 01:41 | would like to know how to change default screen res on clients?
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| 02:04 | <dobber> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg
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| 12:10 | <irule> hi
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| 12:11 | are there any docs on cost of ownership?
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| 12:15 | <alkisg> I saw some from fraunhofer, try googling with that, if you don't find them ping me :)
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| 12:16 | google: fraunhofer thin clients tco
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| 12:23 | <irule> thnka Ill google for it...
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| 13:18 | <Lns> !compiz
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| 13:18 | <ltspbot> Lns: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 13:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> :O we have a ltspbot?
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| 13:23 | !fedora
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| 13:23 | <ltspbot> _UsUrPeR_: Error: "fedora" is not a valid command.
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| 13:23 | <_UsUrPeR_> bawwww
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| 13:24 | <Lns> hahaha
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| 13:24 | !help
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| 13:24 | <ltspbot> Lns: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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| 13:24 | <Lns> !list
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| 13:24 | <ltspbot> Lns: Admin, Alias, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, Factoids, Google, Internet, Karma, Misc, Owner, Seen, Status, and User
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| 13:24 | <Lns> hmm, how do you have it list all of the commands it knows?
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| 13:27 | <alkisg> man supybot?
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| 13:27 | !seen sbalneav
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| 13:27 | <ltspbot> alkisg: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 5 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 46 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <sbalneav> win 1
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| 13:28 | <Lns> alkisg: no i mean the custom ones we (you?) put in =)
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| 13:28 | factoids?
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| 13:28 | <alkisg> Lns, yeah, I didn't know the command, so, man supybot is the way to find it out ;)
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| 13:28 | * alkisg looks... | |
| 13:28 | <Lns> haha gotcha
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc> !list
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| 13:28 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Admin, Alias, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, Factoids, Google, Internet, Karma, Misc, Owner, Seen, Status, and User
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| 13:29 | <alkisg> !list Factoids
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| 13:29 | <ltspbot> alkisg: change, forget, info, learn, lock, random, search, unlock, and whatis
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| 13:29 | <vagrantc> because it was really hard to figure out, i put one in there at some point
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| 13:29 | but it's been so long i forgot what it was
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| 13:29 | !factoids search values
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| 13:29 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: No keys matched that query.
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| 13:29 | <vagrantc> !factoids search
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| 13:29 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: (factoids search [<channel>] [--values] [--{regexp} <value>] [<glob> ...]) -- Searches the keyspace for keys matching <glob>. If --regexp is given, it associated value is taken as a regexp and matched against the keys. If --values is given, search the value space instead of the keyspace.
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| 13:29 | <vagrantc> !factoids search --values
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| 13:29 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: More than 100 keys matched that query; please narrow your query.
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| 13:30 | <vagrantc> !factoids search --values --regex debian
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| 13:30 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: 'debian' is not a valid regular expression.
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| 13:30 | <vagrantc> !factoids search --values --regex debian*
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| 13:30 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: 'debian*' is not a valid regular expression.
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| 13:30 | <vagrantc> bah.
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| 13:30 | <_UsUrPeR_> :)
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| 13:30 | <alkisg> It should have a web ui for searching its knowledge base...
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| 13:31 | It'd be handy for new users here, that don't know some pitfalls
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| 13:31 | !list alias
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| 13:31 | <ltspbot> alkisg: !j, add, dist, lock, remove, tell, and unlock
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| 13:37 | <_UsUrPeR_> ok, off chance something has changed recently, have we picked up a resident fedora ltsp-user recently?
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| 13:38 | * _UsUrPeR_ is having some "issues" with F12 | |
| 13:44 | <Lns> hehe!
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| 13:44 | _UsUrPeR_: didn't someone copy the list about taking over for warren?
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| 13:44 | <_UsUrPeR_> :O no way
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| 13:45 | * _UsUrPeR_ searches the list | |
| 13:45 | <alkisg> Yeah a guy showed up here 2 weeks ago and I told him to mail the list instead, but I didn't see warren reply...
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| 14:14 | <Lns> 1st ammendment vs. content filtering at my local library: http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20100630/ARTICLES/100639947/1349?p=1&tc=pg&tc=ar
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| 14:44 | <irule> Lns this is a little off topic but, I sysadmin a school and kids will find porn just by goolging off, I have my squid logs and Ive seen how kids google for innocent stuff and some results are XXX
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| 14:45 | leave them alone and 1 hour later the kids are all into porn
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| 14:47 | <Lns> irule: I totally sympathize.. it's a tough draw on what/who is ultimately responsible for peoples' (even minors') actions
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| 14:48 | I see both sides of the argument very interesting
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| 14:49 | <alkisg> Recently in Greece google itself was suggesting XXX words after completely innocent searches... we had to disable the google search hints for each account separately
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| 14:50 | (like, starting to write "f" in the box and see "f_ck" as a autocompletion proposal)
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| 14:50 | <irule> Lns well, if its for the kids, block it! first ammendment? let them masturbate on their home pcs, remember how peewee herman's carreer was distroyed because he was caught jerking it at a porn movie theater
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| 14:52 | <Lns> irule: see that's the problem - "for the kids" can be interpreted differently depending on the parent. And it really has nothing to do with ruining a career of a kids tv show host, it has to do with american liberties vs. filtering content at a government run informational hub
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| 14:52 | <irule> wow you are right alkisg! I just checked my google autocomplete, FUC gave me "FUC** my daughter" in spanish
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| 14:53 | <Lns> (sorry didn't mean to start an OT conversation)
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| 14:53 | <alkisg> Yup - that's a major problem for minors
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| 14:53 | Lns, relax, no traffic on the channel currently, we can affort to be offtopic once in a while :)
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| 14:53 | <Lns> I suggest, since you have to enter your library card information, that the parent can choose to turn on internet filtering for their kids at the library.
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| 14:53 | alkisg: =p
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| 14:54 | <Lns> of course that requires hardware and/or software that supports it, and that costs money (and libraries don't really have a lot of money!)
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| 14:54 | <irule> Lns BUT the default setting should be BLOCKED and the parent may unblock
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| 14:54 | <Lns> irule: what about non-children patrons?
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| 14:54 | <irule> it may be done with FOSS
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| 14:55 | <Lns> irule: setup/support is necessary and that requires time and effort
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> Aren't there lists for that? E.g. adblock-plus has lists for ads, but I think there are lists for inappropriate content too
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| 14:55 | <Lns> I'm about to finish up a blog about it, i'll post it if you guys want
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| 14:55 | <irule> squid cache
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| 14:55 | <Lns> alkisg: sure, all sorts of content filtering has it (i like ipcop+urlfilter)
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| 14:56 | there are various blacklists available
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| 14:56 | <irule> I use it, plus any librarian may use the free opendns, I use them and they are great
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> Right, so why would it cost money?
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| 14:57 | <Lns> opendns does it and uses ads
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| 14:57 | filtering content is not 100% accurate and will never be
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| 14:57 | <irule> eather a huge company gets a multibillion contract with gov along with the usual payoffs to the usual thieves, or small companies sell FOSS consulting directly to librarians
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| 14:57 | <Lns> they run the risk of blocking appropriate content (such as sites on breast cancer) and that violates the first amendment
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| 14:59 | <irule> lns I just read the article, then googled breast cancer and all links work propperly, my setup is only squid with opendns, and the opendns pages with ads are blocked my squid cache, so it looks like squid is doing all the work to the staff and no ads ;)
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| 15:00 | <Lns> lol
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| 15:01 | well that's good - but you won't be able to verify this for every single instance where appropriate content might be considered inappropriate (plus, you HAVE to use OpenDNS dns servers for this to work, and this is probably not a good method for al ot of libraries)
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| 15:03 | <alkisg> A blacklist shouldn't cut a page for breast cancer, as it's not based on the page content
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| 15:07 | <Lns> alkisg: that is a good point, though blacklists will still contain domains that might host both offensive and acceptable content
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| 15:08 | * Lns posts his blog at http://www.logicalnetworking.net/?p=996 | |
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| 15:17 | <ga12iglesias> e ae, Galera!
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| 15:17 | To apanhando para montar um Servidor LTSP
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| 15:18 | Eu instalei o Ubuntu 10.04 pelo Alternate CD, modo Servidor LTSP
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| 15:18 | infelizmente não deu certo
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| 15:19 | <ga12iglesias> O boot pelo PXE só vai até o DHCP, mas não passa pelo TFTP
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| 15:30 | <vagrantc> ga12iglesias: mostly english in here.,
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| 15:37 | <ga12iglesias> vagrantc, ahn ok
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| 15:37 | Im trying a boot by PXE, but i cant access TFTP
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| 15:38 | <vagrantc> i'm not sure if ubuntu runs tftp from inetd, or as a standalone...
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| 15:38 | <ga12iglesias> I guess is satandalone
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| 15:38 | standalone
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| 15:39 | dont have /etc/init.d/inetd
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| 15:40 | vagrantc, DHCP works, but FTFP dont
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| 15:40 | TFTP
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| 15:42 | <Lns> ga12iglesias: have you done the tftp configuration workaround described here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/573975
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> ga12iglesias: sudo status tftpd-hpa
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| 15:45 | <ga12iglesias> I will read the bug..
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| 15:45 | just a minute
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| 17:05 | <Lns> anyone have trouble with localapps/terminal getting default gateway information from dhcp server (i've triple-checked all my dhcpd.conf settings and they're correct)..? From localapp xterm, an 'ip route add default via <ipaddy>' returns "RTNETLINK answers: No such process" ...any clues?
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| 17:05 | (using debian lenny)
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| 17:08 | <Lns> running updates to see it it self-remedies..weird though
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| 17:24 | <alkisg> Lns, you can't add routes from a localapp xterm, as it runs as the logged on user, so it doesn't have root rights
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| 17:25 | Lns, to check your dhcp server, you can run ipconfig -n eth0 ==> this tests but doesn't apply the settings it gets from dhcp
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| 17:29 | <Lns> alkisg: aah, thx
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| 17:32 | <Lns> alkisg: ipconfig?
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| 17:33 | <alkisg> /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig
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| 17:34 | <Lns> damn german keyboard layout! =p
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| 17:34 | <alkisg> I'm not sure if that needs root rights or not - if it doesn't work, you'll need to do it from SCREEN_02=shell
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| 17:34 | <Lns> well i'm remoted in from across the world, can't do a ctrl+alt+Fn
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| 17:34 | <alkisg> Heh
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| 17:34 | <Lns> my local terminal will grab it heh
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| 17:35 | "ip route" doesn't show default gw, just the local net, ala "192.168.0.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.0.103"
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| 17:35 | (from an xterm)
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| 17:35 | localapp even
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| 17:36 | trying to find the right key for forwardslash from a US keyboard in german layout
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| 17:37 | <alkisg> shift + 7?
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| 17:37 | * Lns still prefers these roadblocks over using microsoft software =p | |
| 17:37 | <Lns> hey! got it
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| 17:37 | thx alkisg =)
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| 17:38 | * alkisg notes down for his resume that he may not even know "good morning" in German, but knows where the slash is :P | |
| 17:38 | <Lns> hahaha
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| 17:39 | well, I *do* get (from ipconfig -n eth0) "gateway: 192.168.99.1" which is correct...
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| 17:39 | oh wait.
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| 17:39 | <alkisg> And still you can't ping 209.85.135.104 ?
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| 17:39 | (google.com, at least from my region)
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| 17:39 | <Lns> crap. ok i think it's a classic case of too many layers to think about
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| 17:39 | <alkisg> Heh
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| 17:40 | <Lns> .99.0/24 is not reachable because the terminal is on a different network (.0.0/24)
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| 17:40 | <alkisg> Yeah the gateway needs to be on the same subnet
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| 17:41 | <Lns> user error! =p
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| 17:42 | jeez. what a crazy setup
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| 17:42 | makes me miss the mundane details =p
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| 17:42 | two-NIC host serving a 2-virtualNIC Lenny LTSP server
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| 17:43 | and trying to get nat/routing right for localapps..ugh. i should have drank coffee =p
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| 17:43 | (lenny ltsp in a virtual machine)
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| 17:45 | plus im booting a pxe client in another vm which i'm VNC'd into (through ssh tunnel) and then through vmware console
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| 17:45 | <alkisg> Nah that's nothing
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| 17:45 | <Lns> success! =) thx for combing through that w/me alkisg
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| 17:46 | mucho appreciado
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| 17:46 | <alkisg> np... /me tries to remember a crazy way to get internet from a hotel that he had to do last month...
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| 17:46 | <Lns> hehe
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| 17:47 | <alkisg> Ah, right, we got internet from a 3G stick, then shared it through the hotel wifi without actually using the hotel internet - just as local net, then sharing that from an ubuntu laptop through a cross over cable so that the other guy could download wireless drivers for his ubuntu
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| 17:51 | <Lns> hahaha!!
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| 17:51 | nice.
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| 17:51 | <Lns> hotel internet had some captive gateway thing but local access was ok eh?
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| 17:53 | <alkisg> Yeah it was completely locked, we had to use /etc/ethers and static IPs to communicate
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| 17:53 | <Lns> it's crazy how this spaghetti-like worldwide network stays up so valiently! Those DoD guys really know their stuff =)
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| 17:53 | haha
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| 17:54 | <alkisg> The craziest part was that we did it in 1-2 minutes, and then spent 10 minutes to realize what we did and why it was working :P
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| 17:54 | <Lns> the subconscious mind takes over when you're determined to do something!
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| 17:55 | and you sit there and are all, "wow...i have no idea what's going on"
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| 18:11 | <Lns> hmm, even after installing debian-backports-keyring, it complains that backports version of " ltsp-server ldm-server ltsp-server-standalone" can't be authenticated
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| 20:24 | <ga12iglesias> Error: failed to connect to NBD server
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| 20:25 | Im tryng boot a netbook by PXE, but i cant
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| 20:25 | Error: failed to connect to NBD server
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| 22:03 | <map7> If I start a ltsp-remoteapp from my ltsp-localapps for firefox file associations the remote app cannot find the file as it's in the /tmp dir on the client
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| 22:03 | Is there a nice way around this?
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| 22:03 | I've thought about changing the TMPDIR for every user to /home/<user>/tmp
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| 22:04 | is this a bad idea?
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| 22:04 | <vagrantc> won't automatically get cleaned up periodically
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| 22:04 | other than that, not a whole lot.
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| 22:04 | some things don't respect TMPDIR
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| 22:04 | <map7> What about in my wrapper for my pdf program I could copy it to the users home dir and then clean it up after
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| 22:05 | how do people use ltsp-remoteapps for file associations in firefox and thunderbird?
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| 22:05 | <vagrantc> cleanup isn't usually needed a lot ... typically only happens on server reboot
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| 22:07 | <map7> My main problem is I don't want Openoffice in my client image, but I want thunderbird and firefox in the client image. This means when a user currently clicks on a document in thunderbird they cannot open it directly
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| 22:07 | they have to save it then double click on it.
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| 22:07 | <vagrantc> yes, i understand the problem
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| 22:08 | setting TMPDIR to something in their home dir might be the best way to handle it
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| 22:08 | i'd use ~/.tmp
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| 22:08 | you've got to make sure it's created and writeable, though
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| 22:08 | <map7> ok cool
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| 22:09 | <vagrantc> might want to see if libpam-tmpdir can be of help to you
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| 23:10 | <map7> where do i find the man page for ltsp-remoteapps ?
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| 23:10 | I don't want to install it on my server
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| 23:11 | and I don't have the 'man' command in my chroot section
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| 23:12 | ah don't worry i just found out that ltsp-remoteapps is just a script
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| 23:15 | <vagrantc> pretty simple, really
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| 23:19 | <map7> vagrantc, I've tried TMPDIR and had a brief look at libpam-tmpdir as you suggested, but firefox doesn't want to play nice with these so I pushed on and coded my little wrapper script
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| 23:19 | now the --wait argument on ltsp-remoteapps doesn't actually wait for the app to finish
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| 23:19 | so I cannot clean up my temp files after I run the command
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| 23:19 | <vagrantc> yeah, some programs (ironically) ignore TMPDIR because of potential security risks...
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| 23:20 | though it's really just trading security risks around
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| 23:20 | <map7> yep and it's more annoying if they ignore TMPDIR
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| 23:21 | so I'm stuck with running a little cron job every night to clean up users /home/<user>/.tmp dir I think
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| 23:25 | vagrantc, here is my script http://pastie.org/1027661
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| 23:25 | bash is annoying with spaces in filenames
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| 23:26 | I'm going to do this in ruby
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| 23:50 | <map7> vagrantc, Simplified script http://pastie.org/1027682
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| 23:53 | <vagrantc> i don't know if ltsp-remoteapps has the same --wait feature as ltsp-localapps ... but that would allow you to wait till it's done running to handle the cleanup in your script...
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| 23:54 | <map7> I've tried with --wait and it doesn't bother waiting, maybe okular is at fault here
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| 23:55 | <vagrantc> could be...
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| 23:57 | <map7> no --wait doesn't seem to be working correctly for ltsp-remoteapps
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