IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 20 January 2015 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:32 | <austrian> Does LDM use SSH to authenticate?
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| 07:04 | <ltsp_fan> greetings
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| 07:04 | thanks to everyone for your help
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| 07:05 | <alkisg> Hi ltsp_fan
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| 07:06 | Which distro/version you said you're using? You shouldn't be having issues with /run/net*.conf...
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| 07:06 | <ltsp_fan> dear alkisg, thanks for your help, we have all the clients booting
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| 07:06 | i still have some problems though
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| 07:06 | wheezy
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| 07:06 | <alkisg> If the code was old and you had /tmp/net*.conf there instead of /run, then ok
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| 07:07 | ...let me check the code in the bug report...
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| 07:07 | !sis190
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| 07:07 | <ltsp`> sis190: In some kernels, the sis190 module has problems with NBD/NFS so the clients stop at iniramfs>. To fix them put this http://paste.debian.net/65403/ in $CHROOT/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount/udhcp-sis190, chmod +x it, and run update-initramfs -u in the chroot and ltsp-update-kernels outside of it
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| 07:07 | <ltsp_fan> i just copied the code as provided in the link
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| 07:07 | <alkisg> No it's ok, /run, it should work
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| 07:07 | Maybe wheezy was too old and it was using /tmp
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| 07:07 | <ltsp_fan> should i upgrade to jessie?
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| 07:07 | <alkisg> No no, but you could try /tmp instead of /run
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| 07:08 | <ltsp_fan> is it important?
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| 07:08 | <alkisg> No. Anyways, what problem are you having now?
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| 07:08 | <ltsp_fan> first, none of the desktop-sessions were running properly
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| 07:08 | <alkisg> Client specs? thin or fats?
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| 07:08 | <ltsp_fan> then i changed the color depth to 24
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| 07:09 | thin clients
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| 07:09 | pentium's, some dual core
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| 07:09 | mostly old
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| 07:09 | but 64 bit
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| 07:09 | <alkisg> We're configuring anything >= 512 MB RAM as fat clients here
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| 07:10 | <ltsp_fan> yes all >512mb
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| 07:10 | <alkisg> Even old pentium 4 with 1 GB RAM behave better as fats than as thins
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| 07:10 | You should consider ltsp-pnp then
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| 07:10 | !ltsp-pnp
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| 07:10 | <ltsp`> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 07:11 | <ltsp_fan> what are the advantages
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| 07:11 | <alkisg> For the desktop sessions, I prefer gnome-flashback or mate-desktop
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| 07:11 | !fatclients
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| 07:11 | <ltsp`> fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 07:11 | <alkisg> Read the background there, or in the ltsp-pnp page
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| 07:11 | For example,...
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| 07:11 | !flash
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| 07:11 | <ltsp`> flash: Yes, flash sucks. An HD full screen 30 fps video needs 2.5 Gbps bandwidth (1920×1080×4×30)! Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try some flash replacing plugin like http://linterna-magica.nongnu.org
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| 07:11 | <alkisg> 2.5 Gbps per client is not achievable in any case, so thin clients will never work as good as fat chients
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| 07:12 | 3d is a problem too with thin clients, also server cpu, etc etc
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| 07:12 | It depends on your usage, but for standard "web browsing, a bit of multimedia etc", fats are better
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| 07:12 | <ltsp_fan> ok, im convinced about fat clients, but what are the advantages of ltsp-pnp over chroot
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| 07:12 | <alkisg> Ah, ease of maintainability
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| 07:12 | E.g. you want to install some program that has a gui installer
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| 07:12 | How would you install it in the chroot?
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| 07:13 | <ltsp_fan> apt-get, copy .Xauthority?
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| 07:13 | <alkisg> Instead of learning "how to manage a chroot", you just use a vm or a template client normally
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| 07:14 | Or, suppose you want to install vbox in the chroot, and the kernel there is different than the server kernel,
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| 07:14 | and vbox complains that it can't compile its modules and fails to install
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| 07:14 | How do you solve that in a chroot?
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| 07:15 | Or, dbus postinst or grub postinst fail because of missing /sys
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| 07:15 | Lots of chroot-only problems in maintaining a chroot
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| 07:15 | <ltsp_fan> isn't there cross-compiling tricks
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| 07:16 | <alkisg> Finally, in the simple case of a school with e.g. 12 pcs and a server where the teacher works, the teacher pc is the ltsp server, the template client
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| 07:16 | <ltsp_fan> i don't actually know much about chroot, so I'll go by your judgement
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| 07:16 | <alkisg> So he just manages 1 pc and runs ltsp-update-image -c / whenever he wants the clients to get the new programs
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| 07:16 | ltsp_fan: if you want my judgement, then I think you should tell me more about how you plan to use your clients
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| 07:17 | E.g. school, business, web browsing, special apps...
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| 07:17 | <ltsp_fan> well here we have a small university math department computer lab
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| 07:17 | 5 machines for now, potential to grow to 20
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| 07:18 | <alkisg> And, do you have some monster server, or a modest one?
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| 07:19 | <ltsp_fan> the main reason we maintain our own lab rather than tell our students to use the university's is because we promote linux, latex, octave
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| 07:19 | modest 8-core 8 Gib ram
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| 07:20 | <alkisg> And your lowest spec'ed client?
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| 07:20 | <ltsp_fan> well for now pentium 4 1 gig ram, but in the future I would like to try Raspberry Pis
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| 07:21 | I have been using edubuntu with RPI's in schools (as part of outreach efforts)
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| 07:21 | <alkisg> Pis don't work as fat clients well, they're too slow, but I guess their users are already used to slow... :)
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| 07:21 | They're faster as ltsp clients than as standalone, so it shouldn't bother you
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| 07:21 | <ltsp_fan> yes, i'm happy with rpi's as thin clients
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| 07:22 | we talking about rural schools in south africa that have never has computers
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| 07:22 | had
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| 07:22 | <alkisg> Ah
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| 07:22 | <ltsp_fan> but for our university lab i wanted to learn the nuts and bolts of ltsp and on a production server like debian?
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| 07:23 | <alkisg> So in the future you might be deploying PI-powered ltsp installations remotely? Who will be maintaining them there? E.g. teachers?
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| 07:23 | Or sysadmins?
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| 07:24 | <ltsp_fan> so what is best practice for ltsp... eg i haven't fully understood the pro's and cons of nfs vs nbd
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| 07:24 | <alkisg> nfs == faster for updates, if you want to play with the chroot frequently
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| 07:25 | nbd == 5 times faster due to the compression etc
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| 07:25 | <ltsp_fan> that's a good question, I do the maintanence, but amazingly one school has been running succesfully with zero maintanence (edubuntu, 10 rpi's)
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| 07:25 | ok i'm sold on nbd :)
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| 07:26 | <alkisg> You can use both, nfs for testing and nbd when done testing
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| 07:26 | Maintaining different arches is difficult with ltsp-pnp, and you also want to learn things, so ok go with the chroot option
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| 07:26 | <ltsp_fan> ahhh now I have to redo everything, I spent the whole day yesterday (and the whole morning with you :) )
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| 07:26 | <alkisg> !fatclients
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| 07:26 | <ltsp`> fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 07:26 | <alkisg> Something like that... ^
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| 07:27 | <ltsp_fan> does epoptes work well with fat clients?
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| 07:27 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 07:29 | <ltsp_fan> what if the fat client wanted to do some heavy math computation on the server?
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| 07:29 | <alkisg> ltsp-remoteapps app
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| 07:30 | You can also change a .desktop file for, say, matlab, so that matlab always starts as a remoteapp, even if launched from the gnome menu
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| 07:30 | <ltsp_fan> oh like the reverse of local apps for thin clients?
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| 07:30 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 07:30 | <ltsp_fan> cool
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| 07:31 | and fat and thin clients can co-exist easily
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| 07:31 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 07:31 | <ltsp_fan> ok so we're sticking with chroot?
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| 07:32 | switching to nbd
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| 07:33 | <alkisg> I'm not sure if it's easier to maintain a chroot with pi, or a standalone pi installation which you would then transfer to the ltsp server, but the chroot knowledge will probably help you there in any case
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| 07:33 | <ltsp_fan> and using fat clients by default for now
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| 07:33 | <alkisg> So yup since you'll be using Pis, ignore the ltsp-pnp method
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| 07:34 | <ltsp_fan> where should I start? nbd? fat client? or fixing the current problem of desktop sessions? i would prefer the last if it's OK with you?
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| 07:35 | <alkisg> Which desktop session are you using now?
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| 07:37 | <ltsp_fan> its weird on a user that I created fresh: both gnome and gnome-classic don't work properly, lxde also only partially works. On a user that I copied from a previous server, gnome-classic works but not gnome. also local mounting of usb doesn't work for any user
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| 07:37 | its mainly the panels that seem to be giving problems
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| 07:39 | <alkisg> 3d environments don't work properly on thin clients
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| 07:39 | <ltsp_fan> ok so reading your previous point should i install gnome-flashback?
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| 07:40 | <alkisg> Hrm... since I'm proposing things... I'd suggest that you reinstalled using jessie, gnome-flashback or mate-desktop, and a fat chroot
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| 07:40 | It's easier to get support if you're using newer versions
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| 07:41 | <ltsp_fan> can i just change the distro to jessie in the apt sources
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| 07:41 | <alkisg> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Documentation/Jessie/Upgrades
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| 07:42 | Reading that page, I'm guessing "yup"
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| 07:44 | <ltsp_fan> yes :)
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| 07:44 | i didn't know there was a Debian Edu
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| 07:44 | how is it different?
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| 07:44 | <alkisg> Skolelinux
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| 07:44 | I don't know I haven't used it
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| 07:44 | They're offering some complete solution for schools
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| 07:44 | ldap and all
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| 07:45 | But it seemed to me it's too hard to be supported by teachers, so I haven't read more about it
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| 07:45 | And we implemented our own solution based on ltsp, and developed a few new programs like epoptes and sch-scripts
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| 07:45 | <ltsp_fan> we don't use ldap, so I'm also going to skip it
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| 07:46 | wow you developed epoptes?
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| 07:46 | i don't know sch-scripts
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| 07:47 | <alkisg> sch-scripts is about making school ltsp installations maintainable by simple teachers, without the help of local sysadmins
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| 07:47 | So it offers whatever's missing at any time
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| 07:48 | E.g. a big part now is user management...
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| 07:48 | So we're offering a GUI to add multiple students, groups, shared folders etc
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| 07:49 | <ltsp_fan> great i'll like to use that in our next school roll out
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| 07:49 | <alkisg> Greek only for now :)
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| 07:50 | <ltsp_fan> epoptes always blows the mind of teachers when I demo :)
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| 07:50 | google did I good job of translating your wiki :)
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| 07:50 | http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=el&u=http://ts.sch.gr/wiki/Linux/sch-scripts&prev=search
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| 07:50 | <alkisg> Ah, nice, but the software needs to be translated too :D
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| 07:51 | <ltsp_fan> copy paste :P
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| 07:51 | ok back to work... let me do the jessie upgrade
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| 08:01 | <alkisg> !learn rsyslog as To enable remote client logging in Ubuntu (it possibly also works on Debian), see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/697387/comments/9
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| 08:01 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 08:06 | <ltsp_fan> ok followed the above rsyslog instructions
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| 08:07 | <alkisg> No that wasn't for you
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| 08:07 | <work_alkisg> bbl!
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| 08:12 | <ltsp_fan> bbl!
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| 08:36 | <qwe_> Hi guys! Anyone is here?
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| 08:49 | <alkisg_web> !ask | echo qwe_:
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| 08:49 | <ltsp`> qwe_: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 09:11 | <raul> hii
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| 09:12 | i am testing epoptes
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| 09:12 | with a virtual machine with virtualbox
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| 09:12 | <Guest47518> but there is not in epoptes
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| 09:12 | someone can help me?
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| 09:15 | <ame> can i use any messenger in ltsp environment??
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| 09:16 | <highvoltage> Guest47518: hey. can they ping each other?
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| 09:16 | <alkisg_web> ame, if they use pulseaudio, yes
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| 09:16 | <highvoltage> Guest47518: you might have to go into your network interface settings in virtualbox and set promiscuous mode to 'allow all'
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| 09:17 | <ame> how to check that they are using pulse audio??
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| 09:17 | <alkisg_web> ame: read the program documentation
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| 09:17 | I don't know which program you're using...
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| 09:18 | <ame> alkisg:you know well am very new to this environment.Can u please help me to find it??
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| 09:20 | yes pulseaudio is running
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| 09:20 | <Guest47518> nothin
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| 09:20 | nothing*
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| 09:20 | <alkisg_web> ame: which program are you using? pidgin? skype?
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| 09:21 | Guest47518: are you using ltsp, or only epoptes?
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| 09:22 | <ame> am using ltsp and using epoptes for monitoring
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| 09:22 | <Guest47518> i installed epoptes and nothing more
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| 09:22 | <ame> i have installed lan messenger but it is satying port conflict
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| 09:22 | <alkisg_web> Guest47518: which distribution and which version?
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| 09:23 | <Guest47518> i am using linux mint 17
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| 09:23 | and i installed linuxmint 17 kde virtualbox
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| 09:23 | <alkisg_web> Guest47518: when installing epoptes, use --install-recommends
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| 09:23 | <ame> i want to use messenger only for LAN..
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| 09:23 | <alkisg_web> ame, if it's trying to use the same port for all users, then you need to run it as a localapp
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| 09:24 | <ame> oh ok ok
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| 09:24 | <alkisg_web> Guest47518: do you have a linuxmint installation outside virtualbox and a linuxmint installation inside virtualbox?
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| 09:24 | <ame> now i understood
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| 09:24 | <Guest47518> yes
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| 09:25 | <ame> one more doubt alkisg:Can we run thunderbird and libreoffice as localapp
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| 09:25 | ??
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| 09:27 | <alkisg_web> Yes
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| 09:28 | Guest47518: does it use NAT networking or bridge networking?
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| 09:28 | <Guest47518> i am using
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| 09:28 | <ame> i have tried but i cannot install and run thunderbird and libreoffice in chroot
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| 09:28 | <Guest47518> bridge adapter
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| 09:29 | <Guest47518> its necesary to install epoptes en two computers?
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| 09:30 | <ame> Guest47518:What is your actual problem??
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| 09:42 | <Guest47518> one question
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| 09:42 | its necessary to have installed epoptes in two computers¿
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| 09:51 | <ame> i have installed thunderbird on chroot /opt/ltsp/amd64.It has successfully installed.But i am trying to open it from client system through the command "ltsp-localapps thunderbird" it is not opening
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| 14:02 | <bruno_> hi
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| 14:04 | someone could help me?plz
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| 14:05 | I have problem with USB stick in the terminals
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| 14:47 | <epoptes_user3> Hi
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| 14:47 | I need help with epotes
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| 14:47 | Everythink working fine but only in one direction
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| 14:48 | I can manage clients but I can't get control them
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| 14:49 | I can watch only on minature
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| 15:29 | <ltsp_fan> Feedback time: mostly everything is working, i've upgraded to jessie, and got ipxe to burn to hd's for pcs without pxe bios support and for one pc not in the lab
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| 15:29 | thank you to everyone again
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| 15:30 | i know I have lot of things to still do: switch to nbd, enable fat-clients ....
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| 15:30 | <alkisg_web> ltsp_fan: about ipxe, once you get the client booting, you can write it to its hd from either epoptes' remote terminal feature, or from screen_02=shell in lts,conf
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| 15:30 | dd if=/dev/hd1 of=/dev/hd0, where hd1=the usb stick
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| 15:31 | <ltsp_fan> ah so that's what you were referring to yesterday :)
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| 15:31 | <alkisg_web> *sda2 and sda1
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| 15:31 | Yes, no need to have some special boot cd to do that...
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| 15:31 | <ltsp_fan> what get's written though?
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| 15:32 | the whole vmlinuz
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| 15:32 | or just ipxe
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| 15:32 | <alkisg_web> Just ipxe
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| 15:32 | Not even a filesystem, there's no need to format the hd
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| 15:32 | How did you create the stick</
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| 15:33 | dd if=ipxe.usb of=/dev/sdb ?
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| 15:33 | <ltsp_fan> yes
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| 15:33 | <alkisg_web> You could also do it from ltsp, dd if=/usr/lib/ipxe/ipxe.usb of=/dev/sda
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| 15:33 | ...to write it to the client's hd
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| 15:33 | <ltsp_fan> you mean ipxe.usb would make a hda bootable?
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| 15:33 | <alkisg_web> But since you already have the usb stick at sdb, just clone that
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| 15:33 | Yes
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| 15:34 | <ltsp_fan> ahhhhh
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| 15:34 | so learning about grub2 and all that today was not necessary :(
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| 15:34 | <alkisg_web> Haha
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| 15:34 | <ltsp_fan> for some reason i thought that ipxe.usb wouldn't work
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| 15:35 | didn't i ask that this morning... hmm.. and yesterday i asked if i could write ipxe.iso
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| 15:35 | to hda
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| 15:36 | and then i tried it and it didn't work
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| 15:36 | ok anyway, 2 quick questions: how do you get the client to unmount the local disk
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| 15:36 | i mean usb
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| 15:37 | local_dev=true
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| 15:37 | <alkisg_web> It gets unmounted automatically after 2 secs
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| 15:37 | <ltsp_fan> and why doesn't gnome and gnome_flashback work? only lxde does
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| 15:38 | <alkisg_web> Gnome doesn't work because it's 3d
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| 15:38 | <ltsp_fan> but what about computer "hygiene"
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| 15:38 | <alkisg_web> gnome-flashback in jessie might have a bug
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| 15:38 | <ltsp_fan> oh and that mate-desktop didn't appear in /usr/xsessions
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| 15:38 | <alkisg_web> It's ok wrt computers, it's just not intuitive for the users
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| 15:39 | <ltsp_fan> and the error message: "only root can do that"
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| 15:39 | <alkisg_web> Can do what?
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| 15:39 | <ltsp_fan> unmount
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| 15:40 | in the file manager the nice eject button produces an error
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| 15:40 | <alkisg_web> Yes, it's not intuitive :)
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| 15:40 | There's a launchpad bug report about that, I proposed some solution there but it's not implemented yet
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| 15:40 | <ltsp_fan> can we give users access to umount that device (what write caches and all that)
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| 15:40 | <alkisg_web> I don't think anyone's developing localdev anymore
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| 15:40 | cache is written automatically etc
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| 15:40 | <ltsp_fan> what's the future then
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| 15:40 | <alkisg_web> It's just the gui that's not intuitive
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| 15:41 | <ltsp_fan> oh
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| 15:41 | <alkisg_web> try these on the server: dpkg-divert /usr/lib/gnome-session/gnome-session-check-accelerated
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| 15:41 | <ltsp_fan> ok
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| 15:41 | <alkisg_web> ln -s /bin/true /usr/lib/gnome-session/gnome-session-check-accelerated
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| 15:41 | Then boot a client and try gnome-flashback
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| 15:41 | (as root)
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| 15:42 | I haven't tried jessie, but 14.04 suffers from that bug ^, maybe it affects jessie too
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| 15:43 | <ltsp_fan> ln: failed to create symbolic link ‘/usr/lib/gnome-session/gnome-session-check-accelerated’: File exists
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| 15:44 | and why doesn't mate appear?
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| 15:45 | oops missed your fixed command
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| 15:45 | first
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| 15:45 | still same ln error
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| 15:47 | <ltsp_fan> thanks for your help gotta go :)
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| 16:07 | <lanziofaber> thanks
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| 16:08 | can I ask you alla a question?
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| 16:09 | <lanziofaber> ehi
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