IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 27 May 2009 (all times are UTC)
| 00:41 | alkisg has joined #ltsp | |
| 01:09 | Shane_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 01:12 | _UsUrPeR_ has quit IRC | |
| 01:15 | nubae has quit IRC | |
| 01:27 | nubae has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:02 | leio has quit IRC | |
| 02:03 | leio has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:12 | cyberorg has quit IRC | |
| 02:13 | cyberorg has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:21 | ogra has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:30 | mikkel has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:36 | F-GT has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:54 | try2free has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:55 | bobby_C has joined #ltsp | |
| 03:00 | alkisg has quit IRC | |
| 03:01 | mikkel has quit IRC | |
| 03:19 | try2free has quit IRC | |
| 03:20 | cyberorg has quit IRC | |
| 03:22 | <stgraber> ogra: ping
| |
| 03:23 | alkisg has joined #ltsp | |
| 03:23 | mikkel has joined #ltsp | |
| 03:23 | <stgraber> ogra: I'm looking at compiz support detection for LTSP, basically after speaking with Bryce and Michael it seems there's no way to know the video driver other than looking at the log file and we'll also need to know the pciid so back to having a local script.
| |
| 03:24 | ogra: I'm going to use: CM_DRY=yes compiz --replace > /dev/zero && export SKIP_CHECKS=yes
| |
| 03:24 | on the thin client directly and am wondering what would be best, having compiz actually installed in the chroot to have the compiz startup script or ship our own
| |
| 03:24 | with the pain of syncing with the one in the compiz package
| |
| 03:25 | <ogra> well, thats scriptable (the syncing )
| |
| 03:25 | if there is no better way, we need to bite that bullet
| |
| 03:26 | <stgraber> I'll be looking at how big it would be to have compiz in the chroot, if we can have some kind of extremly minimal compiz that could do it
| |
| 03:27 | <ogra> we're just discussing the 2D UNR launcher and how to detect 3D capability
| |
| 03:27 | <stgraber> how would you sync that in a scriptable way ? I don't think we can assume that compiz will be installed on the server at chroot generation time
| |
| 03:28 | <ogra> i think the compiz wrapper script should be split out from compiz ... that way other projects can make use of the info, i'll talk to mvo about that
| |
| 03:28 | <stgraber> compiz-wrapper: /usr/bin/compiz
| |
| 03:28 | <ogra> UNR is a good reason to have it separated
| |
| 03:28 | and ltsp will benefit
| |
| 03:29 | <stgraber> The following NEW packages will be installed: compiz-wrapper mesa-utils
| |
| 03:29 | 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
| |
| 03:29 | Need to get 87.5kB of archives.
| |
| 03:29 | After this operation, 246kB of additional disk space will be used.
| |
| 03:29 | <ogra> oh, its separate already ?
| |
| 03:29 | <stgraber> sounds like something I can install in the chroot by default
| |
| 03:29 | <ogra> sweet
| |
| 03:29 | <stgraber> yup
| |
| 03:44 | ok, just added compiz-wrapper as a dependency of ldm and python-serial as a dependency on ltsp-client-core so jetpipe works correctly and compiz detection can then be done (just have to write a script for ldm for that)
| |
| 03:56 | ogra has quit IRC | |
| 04:29 | ogra has joined #ltsp | |
| 04:44 | alkisg has quit IRC | |
| 04:45 | <moldy> hi
| |
| 05:01 | ogra has quit IRC | |
| 05:02 | michael2 has quit IRC | |
| 05:03 | ogra has joined #ltsp | |
| 05:04 | michael2 has joined #ltsp | |
| 05:06 | <moldy> hi
| |
| 05:07 | my ltsp clients don't seem to execute /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh on reboot -- why not?
| |
| 05:08 | <laga> it's probably not enabled in /etc/rcX.d/
| |
| 05:08 | where X is your runlevel
| |
| 05:08 | <moldy> laga: it is there in /etc/rc0.d and /etc/rc6.d
| |
| 05:08 | does ltsp use non-standard runlevels?
| |
| 05:08 | <laga> are the start links there or just the stop links?
| |
| 05:09 | <moldy> how do i know the difference? :)
| |
| 05:09 | ah, i mgiht be missing the stop link, actually
| |
| 05:11 | i want hwclock.sh stop to be called on reboot/shutdown so the hw clock is set to the system time
| |
| 05:20 | ok, how i understand the problem
| |
| 05:20 | but why is hwclock not shown by runlevel editors such as rcconf, bum, sysv-rc-conf?
| |
| 05:27 | hmm, update-rc.d hwclock.sh defaults, the links look good now, but it is still not executed when the client reboots
| |
| 05:38 | when i shutdown an ltsp client, i don't see the usual output from the active services being stopped -- does ltsp somehow bypass this?
| |
| 05:42 | alkisg has joined #ltsp | |
| 06:08 | pmatulis has joined #ltsp | |
| 06:11 | ogra has quit IRC | |
| 06:16 | nubae1 has joined #ltsp | |
| 06:16 | cyberorg has joined #ltsp | |
| 06:17 | nubae has quit IRC | |
| 06:29 | nubae1 is now known as Nubae | |
| 06:54 | alkisg has quit IRC | |
| 06:54 | jammcq has quit IRC | |
| 06:55 | Nubae has left #ltsp | |
| 06:59 | Silvergti has joined #ltsp | |
| 06:59 | <Silvergti> hello
| |
| 07:00 | nubae has joined #ltsp | |
| 07:00 | <Silvergti> Quick question: Is it possible to use a external dvd burner on a ThinClient?
| |
| 07:15 | <Appiah> I think that's a no-no
| |
| 07:15 | works for external dvd , but not external cd/dvd burn if i remeber correctly
| |
| 07:31 | ogra has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:01 | vvinet has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:10 | <Silvergti> ok, tks Appiah
| |
| 08:10 | ogra has quit IRC | |
| 08:11 | alkisg has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:12 | mikkel has quit IRC | |
| 08:23 | Gadi has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:26 | Shane_ has left #ltsp | |
| 08:33 | <alkisg> Can anyone help me understand debian configuration files? I want to create a package, e.g. schools-ltsp-helper, which will contain a default /var/lib/tftpbootl/ltsp/i386/lts.conf. If a user changes lts.conf, and later in a newer version of my package I ship a newer version of lts.conf, what will happen? Will debconf ask the user about merging?
| |
| 08:35 | ogra has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:50 | <sbalneav> alkisg: As it's not a conf file in /etc, it'll just get overwritten.
| |
| 08:51 | unless you write some kind of helpter script, where you put your version in /usr/share/schools-ltsp-helper/lts.conf or similar, and have a "install-lts.conf" or whatever to detect changes/do the merge, etc.
| |
| 08:51 | <alkisg> sbalneav: ah, as a postinst action? OK.
| |
| 08:52 | And if I want to put a conf file in /etc?
| |
| 08:52 | E.g. /etc/dnsmasq.d/ltsp-proxydhcp ?
| |
| 08:53 | <sbalneav> Not sure.
| |
| 08:54 | jammcq has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:54 | <jammcq> good morning friends
| |
| 08:55 | <sbalneav> You'd need to read a debian packaging guide, which is where I fall down as they tend to read like legalese
| |
| 08:55 | Morning jammcq
| |
| 08:55 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| |
| 08:55 | how nice to see you here this morning
| |
| 08:55 | <alkisg> Thanks sbalneav, I'll try, they do seem legalese to me too. Good morning jammcq. :)
| |
| 09:06 | CAN-o-SPAM has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:06 | hanthana is now known as hanthana|afk | |
| 09:32 | johnny has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:32 | <johnny> argh.. why doesn't dnsmasq have an irc channel :(
| |
| 09:33 | i need to figure out what the rootserver shown on boot corresponds to
| |
| 09:33 | <alkisg> johnny: it has an active mailing list though, the developer answer really quick
| |
| 09:34 | rootserver? What's the dhcpd.conf equivelant?
| |
| 09:34 | <johnny> i don't know..
| |
| 09:34 | i assumed it was option 17..
| |
| 09:34 | but that is not the case
| |
| 09:36 | <sbalneav> <rant>
| |
| 09:36 | hanthana|afk is now known as hanthana | |
| 09:36 | <alkisg> johnny: what do you mean by "root server"? next-server is for tftp, root server = for nfs?
| |
| 09:36 | <johnny> hard to say..
| |
| 09:36 | i don't think it's next-server, because it gets the initramfs and kernel from the right place
| |
| 09:37 | alkisg, let me explain the situation
| |
| 09:37 | <sbalneav> I really don't understand why people continue to try to use dnsmasq, which seems to cause people a WHOLE lot of trouble, when *well known* and *well documented* and perfectly functioning programs are aout there.
| |
| 09:37 | </rant>
| |
| 09:37 | <johnny> sbalneav, i have had it working for 2 years now :)
| |
| 09:37 | <alkisg> sbalneav: ics dhcp can't function as a proxydhcp/pxe server
| |
| 09:37 | <johnny> by following the examples included :)
| |
| 09:37 | * highvoltage hides under the desk from uncle sbalneav | |
| 09:37 | <alkisg> So dnsmasq is perfect for ltsp
| |
| 09:37 | Because ltsp needs pxe servers
| |
| 09:38 | <highvoltage> no it doesn't
| |
| 09:38 | <johnny> the problem now.. is that i'm trying to move from one ltsp server.. to another
| |
| 09:38 | <highvoltage> it only needs pxe on the client side
| |
| 09:38 | <alkisg> highvoltage: well, not in a strict sense, but pxe servers are there to make pxe clients function better
| |
| 09:38 | E.g. dnsmasq can send a pxe menu to the pxe clients
| |
| 09:38 | <johnny> so it gets the right boot image, but it's getting the wrong nbd :)
| |
| 09:39 | * sbalneav shrugs | |
| 09:39 | <sbalneav> I don't see the point of it.
| |
| 09:39 | Treyh has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:39 | <alkisg> sbalneav: in Greek schools we have routers acting as dhcp servers. A proxy dhcp server (=in the ltsp server) can only send the boot filename and not worry about the ip leases. It's perfect for our setups
| |
| 09:40 | ...and I bet there are a lot of other similar needs that dhcpd can't cope with.
| |
| 09:40 | <sbalneav> And why would you want to have the router hande the leases for the thin client?
| |
| 09:40 | <alkisg> sbalneav: to save power, because the ltsp-server is only online when the informatics teacher teaches
| |
| 09:41 | ...and it's less administration for the teacher.
| |
| 09:41 | johnny: in my ubuntu, in /etc/inetd.conf, there's a line that tells nbdrootd which image to serve on which port
| |
| 09:42 | You want a different server or a different image?
| |
| 09:42 | <sbalneav> One server running isn't goint to save that much power, number 1. Number 2, you're complicating the setup, which require more customized support, thereby negating any of the $5.50 you'd save on power.
| |
| 09:42 | But, like I say, just my poinion.
| |
| 09:43 | <ogra> poinion :)
| |
| 09:43 | <jammcq> poinion++
| |
| 09:43 | <alkisg> Number 2: dnsmasq can run as a proxydhcp even with a dynamic IP, so I'm ***simplyfying*** the setup
| |
| 09:43 | <ogra> double-poinion ? :)
| |
| 09:43 | <johnny> alkisg, different server...
| |
| 09:44 | <sbalneav> alkisg: I'd argue you're not, but that's irrelivant.
| |
| 09:44 | What *should* happen, is that someone should write docs for the manual, so that we can simply POINT people to the manual to answer questions, rather than re-debugging these things in the channel.
| |
| 09:44 | <johnny> sbalneav, it also means you don't have to setup bind.. :) or a seperate tftp server..
| |
| 09:45 | sbalneav, you could say that about 90% of what happens here
| |
| 09:45 | <sbalneav> I do.
| |
| 09:45 | <johnny> plus this is a non debugged issue
| |
| 09:45 | so there are no answers ... yet
| |
| 09:45 | <ogra> bind ?
| |
| 09:46 | <johnny> ogra, yes.. dns..
| |
| 09:46 | <alkisg> sbalneav: there are 2 packages: ltsp-server, and ltsp-server-standalone. Why would a third package, ltsp-server-proxydhcp be a bad thing? You'd only need to say "people that have 1 NIC in their servers and have an existing dhcp server somewhere, use this package". Plug'n'play, no documentation needed...
| |
| 09:46 | * ogra never used bind with ltsp | |
| 09:46 | <johnny> ogra, i like having dns addressable names
| |
| 09:46 | <alkisg> johnny: I think there's an lts.conf option for that. Is that for gentoo or ubuntu?
| |
| 09:46 | <johnny> alkisg, same diff
| |
| 09:46 | <sbalneav> alkisg: Oh, c'mon. If that were true, we wouldn't need docs for ltsp-server-standalone.
| |
| 09:47 | <johnny> what option are you speaking of?
| |
| 09:47 | <sbalneav> we ALWAYS need docs.
| |
| 09:47 | <alkisg> sbalneav: you do need them because dhcpd.conf needs docs. A proxydhcp doesn't need configuration.
| |
| 09:47 | <ogra> johnny, right, you assign i in dhcpd.conf so you only maintain one service
| |
| 09:47 | <alkisg> It doesn't need a range, it just needs to provide a boot filename, which should be the same for most people.
| |
| 09:47 | <sbalneav> So, the only docs we have in theltsp manual are dhcp docs?
| |
| 09:47 | <highvoltage> alkisg: if it doesn't need configuration why don't you just install it?
| |
| 09:47 | * sbalneav looks | |
| 09:48 | <sbalneav> nope, seems to be lots more in there apart from dhcp
| |
| 09:48 | <ogra> we might have called it DhcpHowto otherwise ;)
| |
| 09:48 | <alkisg> sbalneav: com'on, I'm not talking about ltsp docs in general. I was talking about the ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone *differences*
| |
| 09:48 | We were talking about the dnsmasq vs dhcpd differences, right?
| |
| 09:48 | <johnny> oh dudes..
| |
| 09:48 | http://www.citypaper.com/arts/story.asp?id=18125
| |
| 09:48 | <sbalneav> Sure.
| |
| 09:48 | <johnny> that's my peoples...
| |
| 09:49 | <alkisg> Of course we need ltsp docs, and we much appreciate your work on them...
| |
| 09:49 | <johnny> for our freeschool
| |
| 09:49 | * jammcq votes that we go back to bootp | |
| 09:49 | <ogra> ++
| |
| 09:50 | <jammcq> or maybe all the way back to reverse arp
| |
| 09:50 | rarp
| |
| 09:51 | <sbalneav> All I', saying is, if dnsmasq is so great, and seeing as how so many people seem to have trouble setting it up with ltsp (evidenced by the ongoing stream of questions we get on it in here), then SOMEONE should maybe write up these things, send 'em to me, and I'll stick 'em in the manual.
| |
| 09:52 | <jammcq> sbalneav++
| |
| 09:53 | <johnny> how familiar are people with intel managed boot agent, and what options it requests?
| |
| 09:53 | <ogra> ++++++
| |
| 09:53 | <johnny> i'm trying to find docs, but all i get is nonsense
| |
| 09:53 | <ogra> johnny, c'mon, dont distract from the discussion with actual support questions :P
| |
| 09:53 | <alkisg> Hehe
| |
| 09:54 | <johnny> ogra, it could be that my problem is there
| |
| 09:54 | <alkisg> OK, and all I'm saying is that I'll have ltsp-server-proxydhcp package ready in some time, and I hope that someone will try it and think it's a good idea. :)
| |
| 09:54 | <sbalneav> alkisg: I think it's a *great* idea
| |
| 09:54 | <jammcq> alkisg++
| |
| 09:55 | <alkisg> ...and I also hope that dhcpd will support proxydhcp sometime. :)
| |
| 09:55 | <sbalneav> I'll vote for it right now, and if anyone here votes against it, I'll give 'em a evil stare
| |
| 09:55 | BUT FREAKIN' DOCUMENT IT!!!!!!! :)
| |
| 09:55 | <jammcq> evil stare++
| |
| 09:55 | <alkisg> Heh. OK man, but really, there are no configuration files for this.
| |
| 09:55 | <ogra> even eviler
| |
| 09:55 | <alkisg> Only one but I auto-generate it. OK, I'll put in some docs just in case.
| |
| 09:55 | :P
| |
| 09:56 | <sbalneav> There's no configuration file needed for ltsp-server-standalone if you have a server with 2 network cards!
| |
| 09:56 | the dhcpd.conf included "just works"
| |
| 09:56 | <alkisg> ...and 2 switches
| |
| 09:56 | Right.
| |
| 09:56 | <sbalneav> right
| |
| 09:56 | <ogra> how evil !!! that makes network admins jobless !!!!!
| |
| 09:56 | <alkisg> So we get more people covered with no configuration, and that's a good thing.
| |
| 09:56 | <ogra> we are such evil guys .... and even express it with staring
| |
| 09:57 | * ogra needs to relocate | |
| 09:57 | <sbalneav> But in case you noticed (as evidenced by yourself) NO-ONE uses ltsp *EXACTLY* as we think they should
| |
| 09:57 | and THATS where the docs come in :)
| |
| 09:57 | <alkisg> Hey, if my english was better, I'd offer to help with upstream docs, but I'm afraid I don't qualify for that.
| |
| 09:57 | <Gadi> if your English *were* better
| |
| 09:58 | :P
| |
| 09:58 | <nubae> alkisg: always sells himself short
| |
| 09:58 | <alkisg> Yup. If it were, I wouldn't have this grammar problems :)
| |
| 09:58 | * Gadi always screws up the subjunctive in Spanish, too | |
| 09:58 | <nubae> quisiera tomar ese cafe ;-)
| |
| 09:58 | <alkisg> johnny: did you try setting a different "SERVER" in lts.conf?
| |
| 09:59 | <jammcq> Gadi++
| |
| 10:00 | * Gadi waves to jammcq | |
| 10:01 | <Treyh> if you guys were goign to use vbox on ubuntu to virtualize a ltsp server, would you use ubuntu desktop or server as the base OS
| |
| 10:02 | <sbalneav> alkisg: your english is just fine, and I'll *EDIT* anything you send my way. Hell, you send me 100 pages of documentation in *greek*, I'll go down the the greek community center here in town and FIND someone to translate :)
| |
| 10:02 | morning Gadi
| |
| 10:02 | <Gadi> quoth the Canadian ;)
| |
| 10:02 | !s
| |
| 10:03 | <ltspbot`> Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| |
| 10:03 | <Gadi> haven't done *that* in a while
| |
| 10:03 | gnaw thru the chain?
| |
| 10:03 | <sbalneav> http://www.poe-news.com/stories.php?poeurlid=81039
| |
| 10:03 | Gadi: Nah, gnawed through my leg
| |
| 10:04 | <alkisg> Treyh: server, would require less ram and wouldn't have X
| |
| 10:04 | <Gadi> smart - easier on the gums
| |
| 10:04 | <sbalneav> Other stuff here at work simply isn't getting done.
| |
| 10:04 | * sbalneav shrugs | |
| 10:04 | <Treyh> alkisg: ty, thats what I was thinkng
| |
| 10:04 | <sbalneav> At this point, I need 48 hour days.
| |
| 10:04 | <laga> sbalneav: ACK
| |
| 10:04 | <Treyh> alkisg: if I have 8 gigs of ram, would you setup a swap?
| |
| 10:04 | <sbalneav> I'll ask here as well:
| |
| 10:05 | In my PPA, I've patched sabayon
| |
| 10:05 | <alkisg> sbalneav: http://ts.sch.gr/ts/getFile/Ubuntu0810LTSP.pdf?bodyId=239591 <== 100 pages of greek documentation. Be my guest. :)
| |
| 10:05 | <sbalneav> for ubuntu jaunty. If intersted parties could test?
| |
| 10:05 | alkisg: Excellent!
| |
| 10:06 | <johnny> alkisg, the odd part.. is that i shouldn't have to do that.. :)
| |
| 10:06 | <alkisg> johnny: why not?
| |
| 10:06 | I think the initscripts assume that SERVER=tftp server if not defined otherwise
| |
| 10:06 | <johnny> it should just work
| |
| 10:07 | <alkisg> How are you telling your clients to use different servers?
| |
| 10:07 | <johnny> but the tftp server
| |
| 10:07 | is the server that should be the ltsp server :)
| |
| 10:07 | <sbalneav> alkisg: Got the source document?
| |
| 10:07 | Is it in docbook?
| |
| 10:08 | <alkisg> sbalneav: yes / no. In .odt
| |
| 10:08 | <sbalneav> Could I have that? Easier to translate/pull stuff out of
| |
| 10:08 | <alkisg> sbalneav: http://users.sch.gr/alkisg/temp/Ubuntu0810LTSP.zip
| |
| 10:08 | <sbalneav> Do I have permission to use any of the images?
| |
| 10:08 | <alkisg> You can use all of the images. But most of them are in greek. :(
| |
| 10:09 | sbalneav: I'll get the 0904 guide ready in a couple of weeks, if you want I can also send you that.
| |
| 10:10 | benGREEN has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:10 | <sbalneav> alkisg: That's what gimp's for.
| |
| 10:11 | <johnny> alkisg, the tftp server IS running on on the new ltsp server
| |
| 10:11 | <alkisg> sbalneav: c'm on, getting a new screenshot is *much* easier
| |
| 10:11 | johnny: is that gentoo or ubuntu?
| |
| 10:11 | <johnny> ubuntu, but what's the difference?
| |
| 10:11 | staffencasa has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:11 | <johnny> this is at my coffeeshop where we run ubuntu everywhere :)
| |
| 10:12 | <alkisg> I'm a little familiar with the ubuntu initscripts, so I can help a little, but I'm absolutely clueless about gento :)
| |
| 10:12 | <johnny> i don't think it has to do with the init scripts.. but the dhcp option that tells it what the root server is
| |
| 10:12 | <alkisg> johnny: so if you put break=init, and cat /tmp/net-eth0.conf, what do you get for ROOTSERVER ?
| |
| 10:12 | <johnny> where it figures out where the nbd image should come from
| |
| 10:13 | i'll give that a shot
| |
| 10:13 | hanthana has quit IRC | |
| 10:13 | <johnny> when i go in
| |
| 10:13 | <ogra> alkisg, hint ... you write it with two "o"
| |
| 10:13 | :P
| |
| 10:13 | <johnny> just trying to go prepared
| |
| 10:13 | <alkisg> ogra: hehehe ok :)
| |
| 10:13 | <johnny> since i know you won't be awake by the time i am able to mess with it
| |
| 10:13 | <ogra> alkisg, thats about as much as *i* know about it *g*
| |
| 10:13 | <alkisg> johnny: look, there's a program called ipconfig which gets this info.
| |
| 10:13 | Treyh has quit IRC | |
| 10:14 | <alkisg> And it's really bad, it can't read next-server correctly
| |
| 10:14 | hanthana has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:14 | <alkisg> next-server == rootserver
| |
| 10:14 | <sbalneav> alkisg: Actually, altavista's doing a not bad translation of some of it. More to the point, though, why don't we:
| |
| 10:14 | 1) Take your doc
| |
| 10:14 | 2) Turn it into a docbook file
| |
| 10:14 | 3) Create a project/package for it
| |
| 10:14 | then it can be translated.
| |
| 10:15 | And might form the useful core of the edubuntu handbook.
| |
| 10:15 | <alkisg> johnny: But next-server can be defined either in the main dhcp structure (embedded) or as option 17 (extended options). ipconfig doesn't get it if it's defined in one of those two ways - but I don't remember which one of the too, it's been too long since I looked at the source.
| |
| 10:16 | johnny: so you'll probably need to play with the "dhcp-no-override" dnsmasq option, which handles if next-server and boot-filename are going to be embedded or not.
| |
| 10:17 | sbalneav: I think I may be able to provide the docs in english, but I'll have to have some time to get familiar with docbook. And of course someone will have to correct them afterwards. If you people want, I cant try to do that in the summer (along with some other things :())
| |
| 10:19 | <sbalneav> alkisg: Docbooks easy
| |
| 10:20 | <alkisg> ...and so is packaging I suppose, but I don't know any of them :P :D
| |
| 10:21 | <sbalneav> sbalneav: OK, I've taken the odt, and done a initial conversion to docbook.
| |
| 10:21 | Gimme 20 minutes, I'll have a bzr tree.
| |
| 10:22 | <alkisg> johnny: so if I'm right, you just need to put a line with just "dhcp-no-override" in your dnsmasq.conf.
| |
| 10:23 | rjune has quit IRC | |
| 10:23 | <alkisg> The new udhcpc client that stgraber included in 9.04 should work fine though even without that option in dnsmasq.conf.
| |
| 10:27 | <johnny> alkisg, weird ok
| |
| 10:27 | ahh.. but i am using 9.04
| |
| 10:27 | new server
| |
| 10:27 | <alkisg> johnny: udhcpc is not used by default
| |
| 10:28 | <johnny> ah
| |
| 10:28 | <alkisg> You have to install it to the chroot
| |
| 10:28 | <johnny> and it will automatically use it?
| |
| 10:28 | and why isn't it?
| |
| 10:28 | btw?
| |
| 10:28 | <alkisg> Try with that dnsmasq option. I've sent patches about this in ipconfig, but I didn't get a respond...
| |
| 10:29 | It will be in 9.10. I guess stgraber thought it was too late in the release cycle to include it by default.
| |
| 10:29 | <johnny> what i'm trying to figure out tho.. is why on boot.. right after it gets the initramfs, it says rootserver: myoldserverip
| |
| 10:29 | so.. udhcpc will override that?
| |
| 10:29 | <alkisg> Yes
| |
| 10:30 | <johnny> i'll try the dhcp-no-override for now
| |
| 10:30 | ajohnson-afk is now known as ajohnson | |
| 10:31 | <alkisg> johnny: also, I bet that adding IPAPPEND 3 to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default also works around your problem (tells ipconfig to reuse the boot dhcp offer)
| |
| 11:01 | rjune has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:05 | cliebow has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:20 | ogra has quit IRC | |
| 11:45 | vagrantc has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:46 | Lns has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:11 | ogra has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:18 | Silvergti has quit IRC | |
| 12:35 | alkisg has quit IRC | |
| 12:36 | CAN-o-SPAM has quit IRC | |
| 12:38 | ajohnson has quit IRC | |
| 12:38 | ajohnson has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:39 | alkisg has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:45 | artista_frustrad has quit IRC | |
| 12:59 | primeministerp has quit IRC | |
| 13:01 | primeministerp has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:09 | CAN-o-SPAM has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:20 | Remaille has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:25 | spectra has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:27 | spectra has quit IRC | |
| 13:28 | spectra has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:43 | <vagrantc> someone had posted a patch to ltspfs affecting mounts... but i can't remember where it was posted or who posted it... and it never got committed
| |
| 13:43 | and i can't remember where the patch was
| |
| 13:43 | <ogra> then it wasnt important ?
| |
| 13:44 | <vagrantc> i would have committed it if i wasn't leaving at that moment...
| |
| 13:44 | <ogra> did you check the lists ?
| |
| 13:44 | <vagrantc> trying to...
| |
| 13:44 | alkisg: was it you?
| |
| 13:44 | <ogra> anyway, have to run out ...
| |
| 13:44 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 13:44 | <alkisg> Hi vagrantc. Nope, not me
| |
| 13:46 | hanthana has quit IRC | |
| 13:47 | <vagrantc> maybe it's in the pastebot history...
| |
| 13:48 | <Gadi> vagrantc: it was francis
| |
| 13:48 | <vagrantc> ah, yes.
| |
| 13:48 | where'd the patch go ... i found where it was.
| |
| 13:48 | <Gadi> he moved the sed line up in the remove section
| |
| 13:48 | <vagrantc> yeah.
| |
| 13:48 | <Gadi> hmm...
| |
| 13:49 | <vagrantc> fgiraldeau: where'd you post that patch? :)
| |
| 13:49 | <Gadi> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltspfsd/+bug/378495
| |
| 13:49 | found it
| |
| 13:50 | <vagrantc> aha
| |
| 13:50 | <Gadi> what do I win?
| |
| 13:53 | <cliebow> a beer with chuck
| |
| 13:54 | * vagrantc wonders how many Gadi has earned | |
| 13:54 | <Gadi> how much beer can a beer chuck chuck if a beer chuck could chuck beer?
| |
| 13:54 | MM2 has quit IRC | |
| 13:55 | <epsas> what kind of patch is this?
| |
| 13:55 | <Gadi> its a beer patch
| |
| 13:55 | mmm....
| |
| 13:55 | <epsas> i guess i should read the page
| |
| 13:55 | <Gadi> beer patch....
| |
| 13:55 | * Gadi licks his beer patch | |
| 13:55 | <alkisg> like nicotine patches? no thanks
| |
| 13:55 | <epsas> seattle wireless network's "hack night" is tonight... which is essentially just a glorified bar-crawl
| |
| 13:56 | if anybody in seattle wants to go...
| |
| 13:57 | ahhh - it is an rdesktop problem
| |
| 13:57 | * vagrantc finally remembers to use the --author flag to bzr commit | |
| 13:58 | <Gadi> vagrantc: have u tested the patch?
| |
| 13:59 | <vagrantc> of course i... didn't
| |
| 13:59 | <Gadi> does it cure the CDROM issues you had?
| |
| 13:59 | ah, I was thinking it may
| |
| 13:59 | <vagrantc> sure hope so
| |
| 13:59 | <Gadi> it was a similar issue
| |
| 14:01 | <vagrantc> committed and pushed... testing will commence... sometime
| |
| 14:02 | ogra has quit IRC | |
| 14:02 | * cliebow chuck thinks a whole beer truck is due Gadi..maybe a pumper even | |
| 14:04 | <Gadi> if I have my beer truck terminology right, that would be a "beer engine"
| |
| 14:04 | the beer truck has a ladder instead of a pumper
| |
| 14:04 | right?
| |
| 14:04 | :)
| |
| 14:06 | <cliebow> correct...as opposed to fast-reponse..ems-like
| |
| 14:10 | <rjune> cliebow: should just arrange to get him some homebrew
| |
| 14:11 | <cliebow> sort of like proflowers.com...probrweski.com..have a Fathers Day special..ten different homebres for 39.95
| |
| 14:12 | <rjune> heh
| |
| 14:12 | I can't sell, that's bootlegging
| |
| 14:13 | <vagrantc> ah, prohibition!
| |
| 14:14 | nubae has quit IRC | |
| 14:15 | <rjune> I can give it away though.
| |
| 14:16 | nubae has joined #ltsp | |
| 14:21 | CAN-o-SPAM_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 14:23 | * Lns looks at his leg flask holster | |
| 14:29 | CAN-o-SPAM has quit IRC | |
| 14:30 | johnny has left #ltsp | |
| 14:33 | cliebow has quit IRC | |
| 14:41 | * vagrantc foolishly forgets that fgiraldeau's patch could easily be tested without rebuilding the package | |
| 14:45 | Mip5 has joined #ltsp | |
| 14:47 | <Mip5> Hey Gang - I've got a server that's running dual xeon 3.06 GHz, cache size 512 KB. I'm fairly certain that it's 32-bit. Is there any way I can run more than 4 GB of memory on the unit? The mobo will support it, but I don't know about the cpu's.
| |
| 14:47 | <vagrantc> install a kernel with bigmem patches or similar
| |
| 14:48 | <laga> PAE?
| |
| 14:48 | <Mip5> cool! Got any good links for how to do that?
| |
| 14:49 | <vagrantc> Mip5: depends on your distro, but most distros probably ship a packaged kernel that supports it
| |
| 14:49 | <Gadi> linux-image-server
| |
| 14:49 | <Mip5> I'm running jaunty as an ltsp server
| |
| 14:50 | Gadi - is that a package I could install into my currently installed server?
| |
| 14:50 | <Gadi> yup
| |
| 14:51 | <Mip5> Really! I'll look into it right now.
| |
| 14:51 | <Gadi> im pretty sure it is the right thing
| |
| 14:51 | :)
| |
| 14:53 | * alkisg used to do: apt-get install linux-server | |
| 14:53 | <Gadi> Mip5: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-4gb-ram-limitation-solution/
| |
| 14:54 | <Mip5> Cool - thanks everyone.
| |
| 14:56 | Gadi - according to this, it's a few packages and a restart. Am I right in thinking that I'll have to do this again whenever a new kernel gets released (and I decide to jump on board with it)?
| |
| 14:56 | <Gadi> well, you always have to reboot when new kernels come out
| |
| 14:56 | whether you do this or not
| |
| 14:57 | <Mip5> Gadi - right - I'm wondering whether I'll need to re-add these packages, or whether they'll carry over. I guess I'm thinking now that they will, since info about modules is stored in config files.
| |
| 14:57 | <alkisg> linux-server automatically depends on the latest kernel, so it'll auto update.
| |
| 14:58 | * Gadi nods | |
| 14:58 | * Lns uses linux-image-server on all his 8GB servers and it seems to work great | |
| 14:59 | <Mip5> alkisg - okay, this is really cool. Lns - great news.
| |
| 14:59 | I'll give this a shot and report back in a bit. Thanks again.
| |
| 14:59 | <alkisg> Mip5: I'm worried about your 32-bit CPU though... well a try won't hurt
| |
| 15:01 | <Mip5> alkisg - right - so we don't know yet whether these kernels will work with the 32-bit cpu? I guess I can always restart, and boot back to the old kernel, so it seems worth a shot.
| |
| 15:01 | * Gadi isn't worried. You can do it, Mip5! All you have to do is believe! | |
| 15:01 | <vagrantc> belive + install package + reboot
| |
| 15:01 | <Gadi> ok, but mostly believe
| |
| 15:01 | :)
| |
| 15:01 | * vagrantc bets it woudl work without belief, given the other steps | |
| 15:02 | <Mip5> this is fun - okay brb
| |
| 15:02 | <Gadi> heretic
| |
| 15:08 | pmatulis has quit IRC | |
| 15:12 | lupine_85 has joined #ltsp | |
| 15:12 | Remaille has quit IRC | |
| 15:13 | matttttt has joined #ltsp | |
| 15:15 | <matttttt> hi all, can someone give me some pro's / con's to using ltsp over merely connecting to the display manager of a server running x? the thin-clients i want to use have a mini linux os in flash, so i don't necessarily want to pxeboot an image if there are no major advantages
| |
| 15:15 | <lupine_85> matttttt: at work we use it so everyone's on essentially the same machine
| |
| 15:16 | <vagrantc> matttttt: no need to reflash the flash with security updates...
| |
| 15:16 | <matttttt> vagrantc: mmmm i like that one.
| |
| 15:16 | i can push a new image, blamo.
| |
| 15:16 | <vagrantc> matttttt: ltsp5 also uses an encrypted connection to the server by default...
| |
| 15:16 | <matttttt> where standard xdmcp is unencrypted?
| |
| 15:17 | * lupine_85 is currently considering an LTSP setup at home | |
| 15:17 | <vagrantc> matttttt: and has all sorts of integration for usb sticks and other devices, sound, and such
| |
| 15:17 | <lupine_85> mostly it rests on local apps - I've just started reading, but AIUI you'd get direct rendering?
| |
| 15:17 | <vagrantc> matttttt: yeah, xdmcp is essentially unencrypted
| |
| 15:17 | <lupine_85> and despite being a "local app", the filesystem said app is run from would be the nfs-mounted filesystem?
| |
| 15:18 | Egyptian[Home]1 has quit IRC | |
| 15:18 | <vagrantc> lupine_85: local apps are run from the thin clients filesystem, which is usually NFS or NBD mounted...
| |
| 15:18 | <lupine_85> ah, now we're getting somewhere good :)
| |
| 15:18 | <matttttt> my work bought a bunch of devonit thin-clients, wants to jump on the bandwagon, but doesn't care about sound, local usb devices, etc. these users will be using ff, openoffice, that's about it.
| |
| 15:19 | one of the other admins had what he thought was ltsp setup, but he was just using the linux os on flash to xdmcp to the display manager of his "ltsp" server
| |
| 15:19 | <vagrantc> matttttt: in that case, centralized administration will be your biggest advantage with ltsp.
| |
| 15:19 | matttttt: although both setups are somewhat centralized already... ltsp will just be more centralized :)
| |
| 15:19 | <lupine_85> would be nice to have the laptop as a terminal
| |
| 15:20 | dan_young has quit IRC | |
| 15:20 | <matttttt> well i've got two good reasons to sell a true ltsp setup, despite added complexity :) a couple more and i think my boss will be won over.
| |
| 15:20 | Egyptian[Home] has joined #ltsp | |
| 15:20 | artista_frustrad has joined #ltsp | |
| 15:20 | <vagrantc> matttttt: well, it's actually simpler, unless you don't ever update the flash.
| |
| 15:21 | <Mip5> !pastebot
| |
| 15:21 | <ltspbot`> Mip5: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
| |
| 15:22 | <vagrantc> matttttt: there's also an active community of support to help if your needs ever get more complicated.
| |
| 15:22 | <lupine_85> is it particularly hard to have a lenny ltsp server and a jaunty/whatever ltsp client?
| |
| 15:22 | <ltsppbot> "Mip5" pasted "Woohoo - linux-image-server rocks" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/359
| |
| 15:23 | <vagrantc> lupine_85: moderately hard... but the real question is: why would you want that?
| |
| 15:23 | <Lumiere> matttttt: the added complexity isn't really there
| |
| 15:23 | <matttttt> we're going to have to have the image and the desktop environment very locked won, that's another concern, no ability to run commands, access shell, window manager context menus, etc.
| |
| 15:23 | <Lumiere> matttttt: in one case you have a usb key in every machine
| |
| 15:23 | <lupine_85> jaunty is easier on my laptop, although I suspect I'm thinkin' through it wrong
| |
| 15:23 | <Lumiere> in the other you bios to netboot
| |
| 15:25 | <lupine_85> while I'm on thinkin' it wrong, if I have my ltsp server with a bunch of stuff that's nfs-mounted to /home on my client, and my client plays a video file from that space (not as a localapp), does the file cross the network, or is it read locally?
| |
| 15:25 | (locally to the server)
| |
| 15:25 | <Mip5> alkisg Gadi vagrantc - worked like a charm! Great news as I had already ordered the ram, and would have had to deal with trying to return it (not to mention not being able to scale as many clients as I had proposed to support).
| |
| 15:25 | <epsas> lupine_85 - the file is read on the server, and the video data is sent over X11
| |
| 15:26 | oh wait -- never mind
| |
| 15:26 | <lupine_85> mm, 'tis what I thought :)
| |
| 15:26 | <vagrantc> lupine_85: if it's not running as a local app, it's just as if you were sitting at the server's keyboard/mouse/monitor.
| |
| 15:27 | <lupine_85> mm, just being certain with myself :). I've used ltsp at work a fair bit but I still don't have a great handle on it
| |
| 15:27 | I'm assuming ltsp5 is what I should use
| |
| 15:29 | <Lumiere> matttttt: you should be able to configure gconf (or whatever WM you use) to prevent access to a lot of things
| |
| 15:29 | matttttt: I also suggest strongly using file level permissions on (/*)/(s)bin
| |
| 15:30 | to prevent normal users access to any app you don't want them to use
| |
| 15:30 | <matttttt> right.
| |
| 15:31 | I was thinking that too, and I have already played around with the basic functionality gnome's "lockdown tool" provides to disable access to a lot of things I don't want our users touching.
| |
| 15:32 | <Lumiere> yea
| |
| 15:32 | <Lns> that's all really outside the scope of ltsp though...
| |
| 15:32 | <matttttt> right.
| |
| 15:32 | <Lumiere> Lns: but not outside the scope of his project
| |
| 15:33 | <Lns> Lumiere: right, but whether or not he uses ltsp he's gonna need to lock down the app server.
| |
| 15:33 | <Lumiere> yep
| |
| 15:33 | <matttttt> exito what it ltsp short of a method of encrypting
| |
| 15:34 | <Lumiere> matttttt: it's also done a lot of the integration to do pxe+tftp netbooting
| |
| 15:34 | matttttt: so you install ltsp on the server and then just point clients at it and they get the OS from the ltsp server
| |
| 15:35 | and then boot an encrypted x session to the server
| |
| 15:35 | <matttttt> right, ok.
| |
| 15:35 | just making sure i'm not missing some other key thing it does that makes it different from the way people have been sharing x sessions forever
| |
| 15:35 | i've used tftp/pxe for lots of other stuff.
| |
| 15:36 | <Lns> administration of the clients is very easy...a global lts.conf file allows you to specify many parms specific to each client or a group of clients
| |
| 15:36 | <Lumiere> matttttt: it takes that way people have used it for a long time and brought it all together with global configuration and easier setup
| |
| 15:38 | <matttttt> ok, thanks for the input guys
| |
| 15:39 | * lupine_85 goes for it | |
| 15:39 | <Lumiere> matttttt: np
| |
| 15:39 | matttttt: it's even easier now then it was when I was actually really active with LTSP
| |
| 15:39 | * Lumiere used LTSP 3.x which was really fairly nasty compared to now | |
| 15:40 | spectra has quit IRC | |
| 15:43 | matttttt has quit IRC | |
| 16:09 | pmatulis has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:16 | <vagrantc> Gadi: well, the patch doesn't fix my cd problems, but doesn't seem to break anything else for me.
| |
| 16:17 | * Gadi shakes his head | |
| 16:19 | <vagrantc> i should do a squashfs+NBD build sometime and see if that fixes it.
| |
| 16:20 | could be a bind_mount issue
| |
| 16:20 | <Gadi> mmm...
| |
| 16:20 | * Gadi nos | |
| 16:20 | <Gadi> *nods
| |
| 16:20 | <vagrantc> that's probably the largest diff between debian and ubuntu's ltsp at this point
| |
| 16:22 | although, now that i think about it, it wasn't nearly as flakey as the cd problems i had before ...
| |
| 16:23 | i.e. it didn't impair the ltsp-server side mounts
| |
| 16:23 | so it's at least a step in the right direction
| |
| 16:23 | * lupine_85 is assuming 50GB will be enough for /opt/ltsp? ;) | |
| 16:23 | <vagrantc> almost off by two orders of magitude
| |
| 16:24 | 1GB should be plenty
| |
| 16:24 | <lupine_85> heh
| |
| 16:24 | i'm using LVM so can shrink it later
| |
| 16:24 | <Lumiere> lupine_85: opt/ltsp is just a very basic os template
| |
| 16:25 | <vagrantc> if you start to mess with localapps, you might want a little more... but other than that.
| |
| 16:25 | <Lumiere> it doesn't contain any real apps unless as vagrantc says... you do localapps
| |
| 16:25 | <lupine_85> mm, so really having my ltsp server's / on non-lvm wasn't the brightest thing in the world to do ;)
| |
| 16:26 | <Lumiere> lol yep
| |
| 16:26 | <lupine_85> meh, I say 50GB for that should be fine :)
| |
| 16:26 | (which is what it is)
| |
| 16:26 | then /home is 75GB and the media partition is 600GB or so
| |
| 16:26 | <Lumiere> lol
| |
| 16:26 | I would personally combine media and home
| |
| 16:27 | * lupine_85 has the good fortune to have two 1TB drives in RAID1 at home | |
| 16:27 | <vagrantc> doesn't /media just basically contain directories for mount points?
| |
| 16:27 | <lupine_85> Lumiere: I'm not the only one using the media
| |
| 16:27 | <Lumiere> lupine_85: and they're group shared?
| |
| 16:27 | <lupine_85> vagrantc: media as in videos and music and images
| |
| 16:27 | <vagrantc> ah.
| |
| 16:27 | <lupine_85> nah, but they're world-readable
| |
| 16:27 | * Lumiere used to mount that in /usr/local | |
| 16:28 | <lupine_85> I'm slowly migrating my home network to something "proper"
| |
| 16:28 | also a useful testbed to learn more about stuff I do at work
| |
| 16:28 | * vagrantc is slowly migrating towards the grocery store... | |
| 16:29 | <lupine_85> heh
| |
| 16:29 | requires additional go-faster stripes
| |
| 16:29 | vvinet has quit IRC | |
| 16:31 | vagrantc has quit IRC | |
| 16:34 | nubae has quit IRC | |
| 16:36 | nubae has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:38 | <Gadi> stgraber: ping
| |
| 16:38 | <stgraber> Gadi: pong
| |
| 16:39 | <Gadi> stgraber: the back of my brain seems to recall something you mentioned about nbd-client being in the wrong place after the switchroot
| |
| 16:39 | and that you fixed this to fix something
| |
| 16:39 | am I dreaming again?
| |
| 16:39 | <stgraber> yeah
| |
| 16:40 | <Gadi> so, I am dreaming again
| |
| 16:40 | <Lns> Gadi: I recommend a "reality check" by checking your watch, or pinching yourself. ;)
| |
| 16:40 | <stgraber> hehe, nah
| |
| 16:40 | <Gadi> damn hallucinagens
| |
| 16:40 | 1 sec
| |
| 16:40 | ph call
| |
| 16:40 | <stgraber> basically the kernel tries to respawn nbd-client form its previous location
| |
| 16:41 | that being in the initrd
| |
| 16:41 | and so fails to do so
| |
| 16:41 | my workaround is to reconnect nbd at boot time, doing so from nbd itself
| |
| 16:41 | so that persistent mode then works
| |
| 16:42 | <alkisg> Can't the same location be used in both the initrd and later on?
| |
| 16:42 | (is that "path" location, or inode-location?)
| |
| 16:43 | bobby_C has quit IRC | |
| 16:49 | artista_frustrad has quit IRC | |
| 16:50 | artista_frustrad has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:59 | <Gadi> stgraber: how do you reconnect without killing the mount
| |
| 17:00 | bobby_C has joined #ltsp | |
| 17:01 | <stgraber> Gadi: I actually kill it but reconnect fast enough before it timeouts
| |
| 17:01 | <Gadi> and that doesn't scre up squashfs?
| |
| 17:02 | *screw
| |
| 17:02 | interesting
| |
| 17:02 | I wonder what happens if there is too much delay in reconnecting
| |
| 17:12 | jammcq has quit IRC | |
| 17:17 | Lns has quit IRC | |
| 17:18 | alkisg has quit IRC | |
| 17:22 | <lupine_85> humm, should I be worried that I'm blindly setting up an amd64 LTSP client/server ?
| |
| 17:28 | mattttttttttt has joined #ltsp | |
| 17:29 | <mattttttttttt> well i've got opensuse kiwi ltsp mostly up, when i login to the display manager on the client now it sits for a while, then says no response from the server, restarting. is this some kind of ssh timeout? i can't find any relevant logs
| |
| 17:39 | mattttttttttt has quit IRC | |
| 17:42 | johnny has joined #ltsp | |
| 17:43 | <lupine_85> ooh, nearly there
| |
| 17:44 | It's got as far as booting the kernel, but then fails because it can't find the pxelinux.0/nbi.img referenced by the default ltsp dhcpd.conf
| |
| 17:45 | <johnny> hello, i have returned
| |
| 17:45 | of course.. my main greek man isn't about
| |
| 17:47 | * lupine_85 tweaks options, tries some more | |
| 17:48 | Gadi has left #ltsp | |
| 17:50 | <lupine_85> would help if I knew enough to work out exactly what's failing ;)
| |
| 17:50 | <johnny> well it shouldn't be looking in pxelinux.0
| |
| 17:50 | oh..
| |
| 17:50 | sorry.. i've never actually seen nbi.img uses
| |
| 17:50 | used*
| |
| 17:51 | lupine_85, all my machines just use pxe
| |
| 17:52 | <lupine_85> mmm
| |
| 17:52 | I think I red-herring'd myself
| |
| 17:52 | <johnny> likely
| |
| 17:52 | <lupine_85> I am using PXELinux
| |
| 17:52 | the issue was that I was trying to mount the wrong NFS path
| |
| 17:53 | at work, we have an LTSP image and I had to rebuild that to make changes take effect... which I hated... I don't seem to have that here?
| |
| 17:55 | w00t, a login
| |
| 18:04 | ah, nbd vs. nfs
| |
| 18:05 | CAN-o-SPAM_ has quit IRC | |
| 18:05 | Mip5 has quit IRC | |
| 18:07 | artista_frustrad has quit IRC | |
| 18:08 | artista_frustrad has joined #ltsp | |
| 18:09 | Ahmuck has joined #ltsp | |
| 18:09 | <Ahmuck> hi. if a user session closes unexpectedly, firefox will not open again upon re-login. what is the solution to this?
| |
| 18:17 | Ahmuck has quit IRC | |
| 18:34 | <lupine_85> hee, this is awesome
| |
| 18:39 | * lupine_85 gets video working | |
| 18:39 | <lupine_85> (properly, that is)
| |
| 18:39 | so what are the advantages of nbd over nfs? any at all?
| |
| 18:40 | <johnny> faster
| |
| 18:40 | otherwise we wouldn't be using it
| |
| 18:40 | damnit
| |
| 18:40 | uggh
| |
| 18:40 | <lupine_85> heh. *lots* faster?
| |
| 18:40 | * johnny yells at initramfs/pxe | |
| 18:42 | <lupine_85> well, I've learned a bunch of stuff that'll help me get the work ltsp server back into good nick, anyway
| |
| 18:44 | * lupine_85 is strongly preferring the dynamic-update nature of nfs over nbd, mind | |
| 18:45 | <johnny> lupine_85, uhm.. it should be rare that you ever need to touch the chroot.. so what's the big deal
| |
| 18:45 | most of all the customization happens on the server anyways
| |
| 18:46 | <lupine_85> when just getting it set up, it comes in very handy
| |
| 18:47 | I just got the proprietary nvidia for my laptop working without any image rebuilding or machine rebooting, for instance
| |
| 18:49 | * lupine_85 guesses that it's nice for initial setup but pretty irrelevent in the long term | |
| 18:49 | <lupine_85> now, audio... I think I'm missing pulse on the server
| |
| 18:50 | right now, sound comes out of the server speakers when playing from the client :D
| |
| 18:52 | heh
| |
| 18:52 | installing pulseaudio the package was enough to get it working
| |
| 18:53 | oof, 'though it's killing the network right now
| |
| 18:53 | odd, I'm only on 1MB/sec
| |
| 18:54 | staffencasa has quit IRC | |
| 18:54 | <lupine_85> ah, discs thrashing
| |
| 18:56 | has anyone run an LTSP server inside a VM?
| |
| 18:57 | <johnny> this makes no sense.. anybody here familiar with the pxelinux config file?
| |
| 18:58 | <lupine_85> might be more sensible to move my appliance's other functions into VMs instead, mind
| |
| 18:59 | and/or make my clients thicke
| |
| 18:59 | ...r
| |
| 18:59 | ah well, bedtime
| |
| 19:18 | artista_frustrad has quit IRC | |
| 19:19 | artista_frustrad has joined #ltsp | |
| 20:00 | pmatulis has quit IRC | |
| 20:11 | <sbalneav> !seen jammcq
| |
| 20:11 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: jammcq was last seen in #ltsp 10 hours, 11 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <jammcq> Gadi++
| |
| 20:19 | try2free has joined #ltsp | |
| 20:19 | <johnny> yay.. my computer finally works properly
| |
| 20:50 | johnny has quit IRC | |
| 20:50 | knipwim_ has quit IRC | |
| 20:50 | wigwam has quit IRC | |
| 20:51 | johnny has joined #ltsp | |
| 20:51 | wigwam has joined #ltsp | |
| 20:51 | knipwim_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 21:19 | johnny has left #ltsp | |
| 21:39 | try2free has left #ltsp | |
| 21:57 | vagrantc has joined #ltsp | |
| 22:17 | nubae1 has joined #ltsp | |
| 22:17 | nubae has quit IRC | |
| 22:22 | johnny has joined #ltsp | |
| 22:45 | alkisg has joined #ltsp | |
| 22:51 | <alkisg> Ryan52: about https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/375278 - I've been using the patch for 2 weeks now with no problems. I really think it's safe to apply it.
| |
| 22:51 | (good morning all :))
| |
| 23:00 | sbalneav, since it's about the ssh process, I'd appreciate it if you could have a look at it to verify it's ok.
| |
| 23:02 | <Ryan52> alkisg: I can't look at it tonight, sorry. and I need to be extra careful with what I commit to ltsp stuff, since it seems I always screw something up :P
| |
| 23:02 | <alkisg> Ooops OK man thanks :)
| |
| 23:03 | <Ryan52> sbalneav: please steal that bug from me and apply the fix if you look at it.
| |
| 23:08 | alkisg has quit IRC | |