IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 20 September 2018 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:44 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I forgot to delete debian/epoptes-client.if-up. How should we manage me pushing to debian branch now?
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| 05:45 | I propose that I directly push there but only in the debian/ dir, i.e. never sync the upstream source code, leave that up to you,
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| 05:46 | and, in cases where the result won't be buildable, I'd use another branch and do a pull request to you, so that you first rebase to the new upstream code, and then pull my changes
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| 05:46 | And of course you can have *-backports branches that I won't touch at all
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| 05:46 | Does that work for you?
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| 12:16 | <mwalters> oops, I got another wild hair... How is LTSP with being virtualized? "Why am I gonna goof around with all this nonsense when I could just build a vm, then move it over"
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| 12:17 | <highvoltage> yeah no reason you can't goof around with it in a vm
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| 12:18 | <mwalters> Well, I want to move it to production as a vm
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| 12:19 | History: I have 4 production installs, 3 of them on (what was) massive hardware (16 cores, 128gb memory, all thin clients). They're all 14.04, though... with April 2019 fast approaching, we need to do something
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| 12:19 | I really don't care to try in-place upgrades from 14.04->16.04->18.04
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> mwalters: sure, you can deploy ltsp as a vm
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| 13:44 | <mwalters> Cool, I didn't think there'd be any weirdness, but that's usually when there is ;)
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| 13:50 | alkisg et al: this is a great project. Really appreciate all you have put into it, and your responsiveness in here. I've been messing around with linux on and off for about 15 years, but this is probably the first time I've seen an implementation that "just works" in an office environment.
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| 13:50 | <alkisg> Great :)
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| 13:52 | <mwalters> I haven't done much desktop development, but maybe when the dust of starting this new job settles, I can carve out some time in my week to contribute.
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| 14:08 | <alkisg> That would be great as well, ltsp is low on development power
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| 14:10 | <mwalters> Our agency has definitely benefited greatly from ltsp, I imagine convincing my boss to set aside a couple of hours wouldn't be too difficult
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> !nbd-client
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| 16:06 | <ltsp> nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
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| 17:25 | <elaurencio> Hi people
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| 17:25 | Anybody is online now???
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| 17:26 | <alkisg> elaurencio: 27 people online :)
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| 17:26 | !ask
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| 17:26 | <ltsp> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 17:27 | <elaurencio> I ask because yesterday I lauch a question and nonody reply to me
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| 17:28 | <alkisg> Just ask it again and wait in case anyone can answer it :)
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| 17:28 | !printer
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| 17:28 | <ltsp> printer: Quick how-to: RCFILE_01="/usr/sbin/jetpipe /dev/usb/lp0 9100 &" in lts.conf, reboot client, then go to server's add printer dialog, and specify network printer → jetdirect → ltsp123.local
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| 17:28 | <alkisg> !fat
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| 17:28 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'fat', but I do know about these similar topics: 'fatclient-printers', 'epoptes-fat-clients', 'fat-internal-disks', 'fat-passwd', 'fat-sudo', 'fatclients'
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| 17:28 | <alkisg> !fatclient-printers
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| 17:28 | <ltsp> fatclient-printers: You can publish printers on your network so that fat clients see them, by launching "system-config-printer" and selecting Server → Settings → Publish shared printers connected to this system
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| 17:28 | <alkisg> This one ^
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| 17:29 | <elaurencio> alkisg sorry for my bad english, i am a spanish user
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| 17:30 | well this is my situation
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| 17:30 | <alkisg> Don't worry I'm greek. Go on. :)
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| 17:30 | <elaurencio> i have 10 fat client with 5 diferent printers
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| 17:30 | <alkisg> The printers are connected to the clients?
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| 17:30 | And the clients are netbooted, ltsp fat clients?
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| 17:30 | <elaurencio> yes
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| 17:31 | the model of those printer is diferent betwen then
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| 17:31 | when i conect usb port in fat client
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| 17:31 | the printer no add to default printer in fat client
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| 17:32 | but is detected by sistem in lsusb
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| 17:32 | <alkisg> Do you want to share the printers to the network, or do you want each client to print only to its own printer?
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| 17:32 | <elaurencio> the second way
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| 17:32 | <alkisg> Put this in lts.conf: CUPS_SERVER=localhost
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| 17:32 | And reboot the clients
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| 17:33 | <elaurencio> in default section or in the space of particular fat client
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| 17:33 | ???
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| 17:33 | <alkisg> Better in the space of those fat clients
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| 17:33 | So that other clients can see the server printers, if you ever have a printer on the server
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| 17:34 | <elaurencio> that's the situation: the server is virtualice in proxmox server
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| 17:34 | <alkisg> That doesn't matter, it can still have printers with usb passthrough
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| 17:34 | Or it can have printers that come from fat clients, to be shared on the server
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| 17:36 | <elaurencio> the server is in the node, and not accesible for all personal
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| 17:36 | for that
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| 17:36 | the printer is located in fat client by usb
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| 17:36 | <alkisg> Yes I understood
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| 17:37 | (08:32:42 μμ) alkisg: Put this in lts.conf: CUPS_SERVER=localhost
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| 17:37 | <elaurencio> i was use Ardence Citrix for the solution of thing client
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| 17:37 | but for orientation of boss i have to migrate to gnu/linux solution
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| 17:38 | i choose ltsp and that's is the only problem to fix
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| 17:38 | <alkisg> Isn't Citrix from 2006 or so?
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| 17:38 | <elaurencio> Ardence Citrix 4.5
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| 17:39 | <alkisg> Yeah, ancient. :)
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| 17:39 | Throw it away!
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| 17:39 | <elaurencio> by the way, i use ubuntu 18.04 lts
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| 18:04 | <alkisg> elaurencio: ok, did you solve the problem with my advice?
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| 18:04 | vagrantc: heya!
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| 18:05 | vagrantc: we need to remove debian/epoptes-client.if-up, it's even harmful now that we have a systemd unit
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| 18:05 | It pkills the systemd-spawned epoptes-client and causes some chaos, either delayed connections or in lubuntu no connection at all
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| 18:19 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ok
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| 18:20 | <elaurencio> alkisg: no, no solution of the problems
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| 18:20 | i send you by pv the lts.conf
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| 18:22 | <vagrantc> alkisg: and now epoptes only works with systemd? so we should also probably add an explicit dependency...
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| 18:24 | <elaurencio> alkisg: you read my recived my private msg ???
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| 18:25 | sorry
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| 18:25 | alkisg: are you read the msg that i send you???
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| 18:25 | <vagrantc> elaurencio: patience...
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| 18:25 | <elaurencio> the sorry was for my way of write the question ;)
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| 18:27 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I think we removed both the sysvinit and upstart units, so yeah epoptes only starts from systemd now
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| 18:28 | elaurencio: you rebooted the client and it doesn't show the printer in cups?
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| 18:28 | elaurencio: does it show up if you try to add the printer from the fat client "add printers" dialog?
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| 18:29 | vagrantc: can I push things (like the if-up removal) directly to the debian branch/dir, or do you want me to have a debian-alkis branch instead?
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| 18:29 | <vagrantc> alkisg: you can push directly ... can always fix up any issues :)
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| 18:29 | <elaurencio> alkisg: i reboot the fat client, and in the dialog of add printter not show the usb printer
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| 18:30 | <alkisg> elaurencio: do you have epoptes installed, so that I could take a look/
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| 18:30 | ?
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| 18:30 | !epoptes
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| 18:30 | <ltsp> epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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| 18:30 | <elaurencio> alkisg: sorry for ask, what is epoptes???
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| 18:37 | <mwalters> tangent: How do you pronounce epoptes? e-pop-tees?
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| 18:38 | <alkisg> Who is tangent?
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| 18:38 | There's an mp3 in epoptes.org with the pronunciation
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| 18:39 | <mwalters> tangent is likely lost in translation, a thought originating from the current conversation, but with out actually having anything to add to it
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| 18:40 | <mwalters> also, that helped ;)
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| 18:41 | <vagrantc> alkisg: there are also mentions of if-up.d in epoptes-client/epoptes-client comments
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| 18:44 | <elaurencio> alkisg: my repositorie server not allow now, but in web manager cups when i try to add a printer, the usb printer is showed
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| 19:01 | <alkisg> vagrantc: yeah I should remove those as well
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| 19:08 | <elaurencio> alkisg: the epoptes is install in the ltsp server and in the fat client image
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| 19:08 | <alkisg> The documentation for epoptes installation is at epoptes.org/installation
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| 19:08 | * alkisg waves for now, later... | |
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| 19:32 | <elaurencio> !printer
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| 19:32 | <ltsp> printer: Quick how-to: RCFILE_01="/usr/sbin/jetpipe /dev/usb/lp0 9100 &" in lts.conf, reboot client, then go to server's add printer dialog, and specify network printer → jetdirect → ltsp123.local
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| 21:01 | <vagrantc> alkisg: should i wait a couple days to see if you find any more issues with epoptes before uploading the fix?
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| 21:09 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I've a known issue with how I handle automatic restarts when epoptes aborts... I'm not sure if I'll find the patience to solve it soonish... but yeah wait a couple of days, it might come to me :D
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| 21:25 | <elaurencio> alkisg: look that, i created the file printers.conf by cups in web managger and copy in the fat-clients image in /etc/cups folder, update the image, add in lts.conf CUPS_SERVER=127.0.0.1 and reboot the fat-client, and yes, the printer is showed in the printers panel configuration
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| 21:30 | alkisg: I ws guide by the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/localprinter
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| 21:32 | alkisg: but in this post sugest that if copy the printers.conf in cups user profile only this user can use the printers declared, but not working with me
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| 21:38 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ok, i'll wait a bit on the upload
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