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Channel log from 19 July 2018 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:21 | <Leolo_2> ok, so now I need to match sections in lts.conf based on OUI
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| 02:21 | and lts.conf only does full MAC
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| 02:22 | do I either spit out all possible MACs... or is there a way of specifiying lts.conf to use via dhcp or the cmdline?
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| 02:23 | I see $filename is used in 05-getltsconffile but I've always wondered how to set that...
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| 02:23 | because it's always empty
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| 02:25 | or I could patch getltscfg to match on OUI
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| 02:26 | specifically, I need to specify XSERVER=fbdev for some thin clients
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| 02:35 | ltsp.xserver=fbdev doesn't work
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| 02:37 | <Leolo_2> # $filename comes from net-eth0.conf and is usually "/<path>/pxelinux.0".
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| 02:43 | I do have /var/run/ltsp/net.eth0.dhcpopts though ...
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| 02:46 | or I could just right my own script for init-ltsp.d
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| 02:56 | write
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| 03:06 | done
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| 05:44 | <alkisg> Leolo_2: are you trying the current fedora code that bcg maintains, or some older/your own custom version of ltsp?
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| 06:05 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I put "X-Ubuntu-Depends: ldm-ubuntu-theme | ldm-themes" for Package: ltsp-client, so that apt install ltsp-client also pulls the theme
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| 06:05 | Should I also put "X-Debian_Depends: ldm-themes" ?
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| 06:05 | (or, recommends, whatever you think is more appropriate)
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| 06:07 | <alkisg> The end goal is to make the debian ltsp installation instructions for ltsp, the same as the ubuntu instructions, except for the repositories (ppas etc) part
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| 06:07 | <bcg> Leolo_2: interesting. can I see your patches?
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| 06:31 | <vagrantc> alkisg: isn't it already a recommends from ldm ?
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| 06:31 | <alkisg> vagrantc: not here in Ubuntu, let me check debian/control...
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| 06:32 | Ah there it is, X-Debian-Recommends: ldm-themes (>= 12.07.1)
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| 06:32 | OK, I'll move the one from Ubuntu there then
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| 07:01 | <alkisg> highvolt1ge: where is the source code for ldm-ubuntu-theme hosted? It has some obsolete dependencies, like ttf-ubuntu-font-family
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| 07:44 | <highvolt1ge> hmm.. ubuntu... that will be on launchpad somewhere, one sec
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| 07:48 | alkisg: I think that package might not be in vcs, so feel free to add and add the fields in the control file
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| 07:49 | <alkisg> highvolt1ge: hmm, that might be more work than I wanted; I'll try to convince vagrant for a single common theme first :)
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| 07:49 | Thanks
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| 07:50 | <highvolt1ge> alkisg: yeah that sounds sensible
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| 13:14 | <alex___> День добрый
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| 13:15 | Hello
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| 14:58 | <sacarde> hi
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| 15:33 | <sacarde> how can I view if my ltsp configuration is OK ? (ubuntu-18.04)
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| 15:34 | <||cw> is it working?
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| 15:34 | <sacarde> I try by a arch system or qemu via PXE , dont works
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| 15:35 | in arch I run: tsclient
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| 15:36 | <sacarde> which ports I have to view open in ltsp server?
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| 15:36 | <alkisg> sacarde: tftp, dhcp, nbd, ssh, and xorg for thin clients
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| 15:36 | And if you're using epoptes, a few more
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| 15:37 | In general if you want to use firewall on the side that's facing the clients, maybe you should go for an internal network instead
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| 15:37 | I.e. 2 nic setup
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| 15:40 | <sacarde> I view this: http://sacarde.altervista.org/np/porte1.txt
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| 15:55 | <alkisg> sacarde: yes, and? do you mean you don't know which ports are tftp, dhcp etc?
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| 15:56 | 15:34<sacarde> I try by a arch system or qemu via PXE , dont works 15:35 in arch I run: tsclient
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| 15:56 | sacarde, tsclient is remote desktop
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| 15:56 | ltsp is remote booting
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| 15:56 | They are not related
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| 15:57 | If this is your first time installing ltsp, do it the easy way first
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| 15:57 | !install
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| 15:57 | <ltsp> install: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation/Ubuntu for Ubuntu, or http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation for other distributions
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> Follow that page, then boot a real client
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| 15:57 | Once you have that working, then ask for more...
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| 16:00 | <||cw> and if you do want remote desktops and not thin clients, look into x2go. tsclient is old and no longer supported, and rdp server on linux is just kinda weird.
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| 16:02 | <sacarde> ah, tsclient is not terminalserverclient
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| 16:02 | <alkisg> The clients of a terminal server are diskless
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| 16:02 | So they don't need a disk, they don't need an OS, they don't need programs
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| 16:03 | <sacarde> but netboot
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| 16:03 | <alkisg> They just get the OS via pxe
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| 16:03 | <sacarde> ok
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| 16:03 | <alkisg> Right, so you're not looking for a program to install on a client
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| 16:03 | It's remote booting, not remote desktop
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| 16:05 | sacarde: what are you trying to do, what is your use case, what do you want ltsp for?
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> So that we tell you if it fits your needs or not
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| 16:08 | <sacarde> then, for edutational purpose, I would like to try LTSP (virtualized in qemu)
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| 16:08 | <alkisg> OK, to educate yourself faster, I would advice to run LTSP normally first, and then go for virtualized
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| 16:08 | Have you ever ran ltsp?
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| 16:08 | <||cw> sacarde: a terminal server is a concept, not a specific thing. there are many forms. tsclient is a RDP and VNC protocol version. ltsp's ts side is remote X11, but it's also far more than just the desktop protocol
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| 16:08 | <sacarde> ok, I read your link
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| 16:09 | ok
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| 16:09 | thanks for now
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| 16:33 | <derick_> alksig: The end goal is to make the debian ltsp installation instructions for ltsp
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| 16:34 | May I know when are you planning to release a new version of ltsp for debian?
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| 16:44 | <alkisg> derick_: use tab to autocomplete the names in irc to get them right more easily :)
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| 16:44 | derick_: I think I'll finish with ltsp within August, and then ask Vagrant to upload it to Debian, and he usually replies within a week if he's not occupied elsewhere
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| 16:45 | derick_: do you need a new ltsp version in debian for your gsoc? Does it help anywhere?
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| 17:30 | <Leolo_2> where are the latest fedora patches?
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| 17:31 | I'm using ltsp-server-5.4.5-25.20131108.07.el6.x86_64
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| 17:31 | which I guess the answer is "no"
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| 17:34 | <alkisg> bcg: ^
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| 17:34 | Leolo_2: I believe most of them are integrated upstream in ltsp now
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| 17:34 | !ltsp-source
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| 17:34 | <ltsp> ltsp-source: at https://code.launchpad.net/ltsp
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| 17:34 | <alkisg> We're at ltsp 5.18 now
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| 17:37 | <Leolo_2> I'm behind :-)
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| 17:39 | <bcg> Leolo_2: launchpad + https://b.bbbs.net/ltsp/
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| 17:42 | <Leolo_2> ty
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| 18:06 | <jimbo> Hello, I am having trouble running LibreOffice from the client on a fresh LTSP install. It won't load, and if I try and run from the cli I get "Warning: failed to read path from javaldx" Any ideas what I'm missing?
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| 18:16 | <Leolo_2> bcg - how do you want my patches?
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| 18:31 | <alkisg> jimbo: distro/version?
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| 18:31 | And thin or fat client?
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| 18:35 | <jimbo> alkisg: ubuntu 18.04 and thin client
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| 18:35 | <alkisg> jimbo: does libreoffice run directly on the server?
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| 18:35 | Also, are you using the greek schools ppa?
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| 18:36 | <jimbo> alkisg: libreoffice does run fine on the server itself, and I am using the greek schools ppa
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| 18:37 | <alkisg> Libreoffice developers say that "Warning: failed to read path from javaldx" is not significant, does it say anything else?
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| 18:38 | <jimbo> alkisg: here's the output
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| 18:38 | <alkisg> One person reported that he had wrong permissions in some ~/.config/ subdirectory, and resetting the permissions fixed it,
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| 18:38 | and another said that installing libreoffice-base fixed the dependencies
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| 18:38 | !pastebin
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| 18:38 | <ltsp> pastebin: try !paste
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| 18:38 | <alkisg> !paste
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| 18:38 | <ltsp> paste: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 18:39 | <jimbo> javaldx: could not fine a java runtime environment!
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| 18:39 | I've installed default-jre
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| 18:39 | <alkisg> If you run it from the cli on the server, doesn't it say the same thing?
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| 18:39 | Watch for *differences* from when you run it on the server vs the client
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| 18:40 | Btw, are you sure it's a thin chroot and not a fat chroot?
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| 18:40 | what's the output of ls -l /opt/ltsp/*/usr/share/xsessions ?
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| 18:41 | <jimbo> There are no errors when I run it from cli on server
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| 18:41 | <alkisg> When you open the cli on the client, do you see `user@server`, or `user@ltsp123` there?
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| 18:41 | <jimbo> I believe it's a thin chroot
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| 18:41 | <alkisg> Is the hostname the one of the server when you open a terminal on the client?
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| 18:41 | <jimbo> user@ltsp79
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| 18:41 | <alkisg> Then it's a fat chroot
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| 18:42 | <jimbo> ah ok
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| 18:42 | <alkisg> And you're missing java in the chroot
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| 18:42 | So on the server, run ltsp-chroot -m apt install libreoffice-base, and when it finishes, run ltsp-update-image
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| 18:42 | (libreoffice-base pulls all the needed dependencies)
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| 18:42 | <jimbo> ok will do
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| 18:42 | <alkisg> ok, i'll be back later, cheers for now
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| 18:43 | <jimbo> alkisg: thanks so much for your help. I'll update when I run the command
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| 19:15 | <Leolo_2> honk
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| 19:18 | <jimbo> quit
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| 19:30 | <bcg> Leolo_2: what ever way is the easiest. email is fine too: b@bbbs.net.
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| 19:33 | <Leolo_2> bcg http://awale.qc.ca/ltsp/Leolo.ltsp-Bureau.01.patch
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| 19:35 | <Leolo_2> note that some of that is really specific to what I'm doing. like bureau-ssh
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| 19:37 | <bcg> thanks, got them.
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| 19:37 | <jimbo> alkisg: I ran ltsp-chroot -m apt install libreoffice-base followed by ltsp-update-image
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| 19:37 | <Leolo_2> the stuff you will be more interested in are init-ltsp.d/, halt and dracut
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| 19:38 | <jimbo> alkisg: that got rid of some of the errors but it still crashes with : Fatal exception : Signal 11
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| 19:40 | <bcg> I'll take a better look later, it's already quite late.
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| 19:42 | ...but for example bureau-ldm should be already included.
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| 19:42 | <Leolo_2> no worries
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| 19:42 | yeah, I probably only put logging in there to try and figure out why it was failing
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| 19:42 | you could prbably ignore all the stuff screen.d/
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| 19:46 | another question : why I boot the fitpc2, the initrd gets loaded nearly instantly
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| 19:46 | but booting other hardware (fitlet or the DX30) initrd takes a while to load. each . is about one second apart
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| 19:47 | is this just a problem with the PXE implementation or ...?
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| 19:47 | wait, that doesn't make sense. because pxelinux.0 is doing the loading
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| 20:09 | <quinox> Leolo_2: we have had clients booting slowly due to, I think, the TCP size being too big
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| 20:09 | let me find our hack to fix that...
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| 20:10 | (which is hardware dependent)
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| 20:12 | https://sourceforge.net/p/clonezilla/bugs/282/
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| 20:12 | the hack is not hardware dependent, the slowness is
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| 20:13 | If I remember correctly it's a difference of 10MB/s vs. 100MB/s
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| 20:17 | we now boot our clonezilla instances using tftpopts=-b10000 in the DEFAULT option of pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 20:17 | this way all clients are fast, not just some
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