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Channel log from 27 February 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:58 | <polytan> hi
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| 03:58 | I've got a problem with tftp-hpa on ubuntu
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| 03:58 | it simply does nothing
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| 03:59 | after the DHCP request from the thin client's network card
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| 03:59 | nothing happen
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| 03:59 | it was working a few days ago
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| 03:59 | <ogra> make sure you dont have a second dhcpd running in your network
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| 03:59 | <polytan> hum
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| 04:00 | the offered ip is good (my school network is on 10.108.x.x and my ltsp's one is on 192.168.x.x
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| 04:00 | and during the boot, the dhcp offers a 192.168.x.x one
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| 04:00 | today I just did this modification :
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| 04:01 | in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistant-net.rules, I switch eth0 to eth1 and eth1 to eth2
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| 04:01 | and I change the dhcp from eth0 to eth1 (restarting the computer, etc)
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| 04:01 | do you see something ?
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| 04:02 | and I'm not sure that the program thtp-hpa is well started
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| 04:02 | <ogra> it shouldnt be started :)
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| 04:03 | <polytan> even if I do a "sudo /etc/init.d/tftp-hpa restart"
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| 04:03 | <ogra> inetd runs it on request
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| 04:03 | <polytan> ok
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| 04:03 | <ogra> you likely missed to change the IPs for the interfaces
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| 04:03 | <polytan> that's why I have "daemon = no" and that /etc/init.d/tftp-hpa does nothing ?
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| 04:03 | <ogra> right, its supposed to
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| 04:03 | <polytan> ok
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| 04:03 | you likely missed to change the IPs for the interfaces => where ?
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| 04:03 | <ogra> inetd.conf should have a line for tftp
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| 04:04 | <polytan> ok
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| 04:04 | <ogra> in /etc/network/interfcaes
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| 04:04 | *interfaces
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| 04:04 | <polytan> I restart in a minute (I'm on gentoo to see if it is working (to check my cables, etc) and it works)
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| 04:04 | I come back
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| 04:07 | <polytan> well
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| 04:07 | re
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| 04:07 | on ubuntu ;)
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| 04:08 | http://pastebin.com/f57971750 ogra
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| 04:09 | <ogra> no eth0 ?
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| 04:09 | whats "ifconfig -a" showing
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| 04:09 | <polytan> http://pastebin.com/f283d46e7
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| 04:09 | no, I don't have any eth0
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| 04:09 | I have eth1 and eth2
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| 04:10 | http://pastebin.com/f76c88831
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| 04:11 | is that a problem not to have an eth0 ?
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| 04:11 | <ogra> no
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| 04:11 | i was only wondering
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| 04:11 | looks all fine so far
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| 04:11 | <polytan> yes :(
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| 04:11 | that's why I don't understand :(
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| 04:12 | It's amazing : same config as on gentoo : it works on gentoo, it worked on ubuntu and it doesn't work anymore now :/
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| 04:12 | <ogra> did you change anything physically in your network
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| 04:12 | <polytan> do you want to see my dhcpd.conf ?
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| 04:13 | <ogra> i.e. added a new (managed) switch or something
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| 04:13 | <polytan> no
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| 04:13 | I'm directly connected to the thin client
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| 04:13 | <ogra> sure, dhcpd.conf, why not
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| 04:13 | <polytan> on interface (eth2 to internet) and eth1 with a cable (no switch or whatever) to the thin client
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| 04:14 | <ogra> a crossover cable ?
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| 04:14 | <polytan> http://pastebin.com/f286c753e
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| 04:14 | <ogra> or a normal one ?
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| 04:14 | <polytan> a cable working on gentoo
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| 04:14 | <ogra> right, but probably the NIC doesnt autosense
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| 04:14 | <polytan> ok
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| 04:14 | I change it
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| 04:14 | <ogra> i would put a switch in place just to be sure
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| 04:15 | <polytan> I try
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| 04:15 | dhcp ok
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| 04:16 | tftp failed
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| 04:16 | and I'm sure that it was working with this cable
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| 04:16 | <ogra> can you manually tftp and is /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 containing the right files ?
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| 04:16 | <polytan> how to do that ?
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| 04:17 | I checked the folder and it seems all right
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| 04:17 | I've got a pxelinux.0 in ity
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| 04:17 | it*
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| 04:17 | <ogra> tftp <serverip>
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| 04:17 | that should give you a connection, very much like ftp
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| 04:18 | <polytan> it works
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| 04:18 | * ogra needs to restart X for a test | |
| 04:18 | <polytan> locally
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| 04:23 | <polytan> re ogra
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| 04:24 | <ogra> hey
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| 04:25 | did you try tftp to 192.168.0.254 or to localhost ?
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| 04:25 | <polytan> yes
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| 04:25 | it seems to work
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| 04:25 | but once I have done tftp localhost
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| 04:25 | all command I use are invalid
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| 04:25 | I don't have dir or ls
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| 04:25 | <ogra> yeah, thats why it has the T :)
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| 04:26 | <polytan> ok :)
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| 04:26 | <ogra> trivial ftp ;)
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| 04:26 | you can only get and need to know the filename
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| 04:26 | <polytan> so I should be able to do a tftp localhost
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| 04:26 | and next
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| 04:26 | get pxelinux.0 ?
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| 04:27 | <ogra> get <filename>
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| 04:27 | the filename from your dhcpd.conf
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| 04:27 | <polytan> ?
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| 04:28 | ok
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| 04:28 | doesn't work
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| 04:28 | transfer time out
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| 04:28 | <ogra> what do you get ?
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| 04:29 | <polytan> I have the same error when I try to boot the thin client
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| 04:29 | "transfert time out"
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| 04:29 | <ogra> so you tried "GET /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0"
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| 04:29 | <polytan> yes
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| 04:29 | with " "
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| 04:29 | <ogra> (not sure, it might need to be capitalized)
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| 04:29 | <polytan> and a small get ;)
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| 04:29 | <ogra> no, drop the quotes
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| 04:29 | <polytan> or it doesn't work
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| 04:30 | the thing I don't understand is why my dhcp is working and not tftp which should be a lot simplier :/
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| 04:31 | <ogra> do you have a firewall or edited /etc/hosts.{allow|deny} ?
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| 04:31 | <polytan> no
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| 04:32 | LTSPmac% cat /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
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| 04:32 | #Defaults for tftpd-hpa
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| 04:32 | RUN_DAEMON="no"
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| 04:32 | OPTIONS="-l -s /var/lib/tftpboot"
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| 04:32 | | |
| 04:32 | it is the only conf I've got for tftp
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| 04:32 | and actually, I never had problem with it :(
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| 04:32 | <ogra> right and its pointless :)
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| 04:33 | RUN_DAEMON="no" tells tftpd to wait for inetd invocation
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| 04:33 | <polytan> yes
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| 04:33 | <ogra> and your inted.conf seemed fine
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| 04:33 | <polytan> do you think I should came back to eth0 and eth 1?
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| 04:34 | <ogra> did you restart inetd after making all these changes ?
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| 04:34 | <polytan> the thing is that on the back of the server, the ethernet ports are named eth1 and eth2 so to understand what we are speaking about, I change their name in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistant-net.rules
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| 04:34 | <ogra> or reboot ?
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| 04:34 | <polytan> I reboot at least 3 or 4 times since I did all modifications (udev, default/dhcp network/interfaces )
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| 04:36 | I come back
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| 04:39 | <polytan> re
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| 04:40 | <krish[0]> se
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| 04:44 | <polytan> I put back eth1 to eth0
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| 04:44 | I still have dhcp
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| 04:44 | but no tftp
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| 04:44 | <ogra> weird
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| 04:44 | <polytan> are you sure my dhcpd.conf is all right ?
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| 04:44 | <ogra> and the interfaces properly changed ?
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| 04:44 | <polytan> yes
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| 04:44 | <ogra> (ifconfig -a shows the MAC adresses)
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| 04:45 | <polytan> I'm really lost
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| 04:45 | and it is for this evenig...
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| 04:48 | I hate this sort of problems
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| 04:58 | <polytan> I'm not able to start tftp manually
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| 04:58 | I really don't how I will do :(
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| 05:01 | I come back, I have to eat
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| 05:10 | <knipwim> polytan: perhaps you could use another tftp program, or run the tftp server on another computer in your network
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| 05:11 | at the very least it could help determine your problem better
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| 05:11 | <polytan> how to know all program started during a normal boot ?
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| 05:12 | <knipwim> all programs after init?
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| 05:29 | <cdealer> good morning... have anyone notice any issue with adobe reader being very slow on LTSP Clients ?
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| 05:33 | <cyberorg> cdealer, dont know about ltsp, adobe reader has been terrible even on normal session, use evince ;)
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| 05:33 | hi krish, playing with ltsp?
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| 05:34 | <krish> cyberorg: thinking of more ideas.. today is logo submission last date
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| 05:34 | shona has submitted 1 too
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| 05:34 | i want to submit one more
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| 05:35 | <cdealer> cyberorg: we are using, but evince have crash with some pdf that has bar code
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| 05:39 | <polytan> I'm in a lake of shit...
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| 05:39 | 3h remainings :/
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| 05:51 | <polytan> si j'ai ca dans le ps ax
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| 05:51 | 12469 ? Z 0:00 [watchdog] <defunct>
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| 05:51 | c'est qu'il y a un truc qui pue ?
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| 05:52 | <laga> english, please :)
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| 05:53 | <polytan> sorry
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| 05:53 | I though I was elsewhere :)
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| 05:53 | I'm still trying to get ltsp working
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| 05:53 | and when I do a "ps ax"
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| 05:54 | I have a "12469 ? Z 0:00 [watchdog] <defunct>"
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| 05:54 | do you thuink this could show a problem ?
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| 05:54 | <polytan> ogra, I removed vmware, remove tftp from inetd.conf and started tftp as a daemon and it works
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| 05:55 | I just have a problem at the end of the boot process
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| 05:55 | so no login screen yet
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| 05:55 | I build a new client image a will try with it
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| 06:00 | <polytan> ogra, can I see your inetd.conf please ?
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| 06:00 | or laga :)
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| 06:00 | only the line with tftp interest me
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| 06:00 | * ogra doesnt run ltsp anywhere atm | |
| 06:01 | <ogra> so i have no proper inetd.conf, but what you pasted before looked ok
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| 06:01 | though you didnt say you had vmware installed
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| 06:01 | i think vmware forcefully pulls in xinetd which will lead to problems
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| 06:01 | dpkg -l |grep inetd
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| 06:01 | check which one is installed ?
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| 06:02 | (you want openbsd-inetd to have ltsp work right)
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| 06:04 | <polytan> tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
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| 06:04 | do you know why there is twince /usr/bin/in.tftpd ?
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| 06:04 | <ogra> (xinetd doesnt use inetd.conf)
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| 06:05 | <polytan> my xinetd.conf is empty
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| 06:05 | <ogra> dpkg -l |grep inetd
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| 06:05 | please check which one you have
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| 06:06 | <polytan> rc openbsd-inetd 0.20080125-1 The OpenBSD Internet Superserver
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| 06:06 | ii update-inetd 4.30 inetd configuration file updater
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| 06:06 | ii xinetd 1:2.3.14-7ubuntu1 replacement for inetd with many enhancement
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| 06:06 | <ogra> aha
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| 06:06 | <polytan> aha what ? :)
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| 06:06 | <ogra> sudo apt-get remove --purge xinetd && sudo apt-get install openbsd-inetd
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| 06:06 | run tht line and all will be fine
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| 06:07 | as i said above, vmware is evil ... it forcefully replaces openbsd-inetd with xinetd
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| 06:07 | <polytan> are you sure ?
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| 06:07 | <ogra> yes
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| 06:07 | <polytan> it will remove a lot of ltsp programs
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| 06:07 | debootstrap squashfs-tools ltspfs python-ltsp nbd-server debconf-utils
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| 06:07 | ltsp-manager* ltsp-server* ltsp-server-standalone* xinetd*
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| 06:07 | <ogra> then flip the line at the &&
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| 06:07 | <polytan> flip ?
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| 06:08 | <ogra> sudo apt-get install openbsd-inetd && sudo apt-get remove --purge xinetd
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| 06:08 | <polytan> it is a lot better :)
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| 06:08 | <ogra> all these packages require an inetd
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| 06:08 | <polytan> I'm sorry for that, I came from the gentoo's world
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| 06:08 | <ogra> so installing the other one first and then removing the wrong one will keep them :)
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| 06:09 | <polytan> yes
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| 06:09 | I did it
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| 06:09 | I start a thin client
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| 06:09 | <ogra> and change your tftpd back to be started by inetd (you said you made it start as daemon)
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| 06:09 | <polytan> shit
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| 06:09 | yes
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| 06:10 | tftp is working now
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| 06:10 | but the client isn't starting
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| 06:11 | <ogra> where does it stop ?
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| 06:11 | <polytan> I have the ubuntu splash going right and left
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| 06:11 | <ogra> you might need to reboot the server to get everything straight again
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| 06:11 | <polytan> and instead of having the progress bar completed, it switchs to a text console and display a lot of things (not a kernel panic)
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| 06:12 | <ogra> ending at a busybox prompt ?
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| 06:12 | <polytan> yes
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| 06:14 | <polytan> but the tftp server runs well now :)
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| 06:14 | thanks again :)
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| 06:14 | youhou !
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| 06:14 | I've changed the pxelinux.cfg/default file
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| 06:14 | actually, I just added nbdport=2001 to the end
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| 06:14 | and it work
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| 06:15 | allright,, I can log on to the client
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| 06:15 | perfect
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| 06:15 | thanks again ;)
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| 06:15 | tobacco pause now
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| 06:16 | ogra, I will set the ip to eth1 and eth2
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| 06:16 | <ogra> have a good smoke :)
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| 06:16 | <polytan> see you in a second :)
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| 06:17 | thanks again
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| 06:17 | you can't imaghine in what sort of mud I was :)
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| 06:17 | <ogra> heh
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| 06:53 | <th13f> Hi guys, How can I calculate the total memory for 35 thin-clients?
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| 06:54 | <knipwim> th13f: http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#id2530369
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| 06:54 | <th13f> ram-for-1-thin-client*total-thin-clients
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| 06:55 | ?
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| 06:58 | <alkisg> th13f: see the link knipwim gave you above, the formula is there
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| 07:02 | <polytan> I don't know if this formula is true or not
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| 07:02 | When I start a thin client network with 14 machines, it doesn't use 256+128*14Mo of ram
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| 07:03 | it is a lot function of all apps used byt the client
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| 07:03 | <alkisg> polytan: yes, but if you open firefox + openoffice + totem + ...?
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| 07:03 | <polytan> the library are loaded only one time
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| 07:03 | <ogra> its not about clients, its about desktop sessions ;)
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| 07:04 | <alkisg> Yes, but the firefox tabs aren't :)
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| 07:04 | <ogra> there is some shared overlap indeed
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| 07:04 | <polytan> I will answer you later this afternoon
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| 07:04 | <ogra> and the numbers are rather conservative to keep you on the safe side
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| 07:05 | <polytan> Is brasero xfce burner ?
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| 07:05 | <ogra> gnome i think
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| 07:13 | <th13f> alkisg: ok. I need 7GB for 35 thin-clients
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| 07:14 | I have 6Gb today. And sometimes the gdm freeze for 1 or 2 thin-clients
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| 07:14 | this can be a memory problem?
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| 07:14 | <alkisg> th13f: why don't you run htop or something similar to see how much ram you actually use?
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| 07:14 | <th13f> alkisg: actually the memory is ok
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| 07:16 | alkisg: but munin show me that at 12pm the memory is on max!
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| 07:16 | <ogra> th13f, "sometimes the gdm freeze for 1 or 2 thin-clients" ... do you mean ldm on the client ?
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| 07:17 | <ogra> ... or gdm on the server ?
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| 07:17 | <th13f> the gdm process on the server get freeze
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| 07:17 | ogra: on the server
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| 07:17 | <ogra> you have users that log in to the server ?
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| 07:17 | (directly on the local gdm i mean)
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| 07:18 | <th13f> ogra: and some thin-clients cant boot anymore. Just after I reboot gdm on the server
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| 07:18 | ogra: I am using ltsp 4.2
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| 07:18 | <ogra> oh, k
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| 07:18 | <th13f> ogra: the user log on the server gdm
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| 07:18 | <ogra> no idea tzhen, thats long dead
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| 07:19 | <th13f> ogra: ok, but forgot ltsp 4.2
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| 07:19 | ogra: the memory on max, can freeze gdm
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| 07:19 | ?
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| 07:19 | <ogra> it can freeze the server
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| 07:19 | i would run top on the server during a day and keep an eye on the load
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| 07:20 | to see how high it goes
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| 07:20 | <th13f> ogra: Yes... I will do this...
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| 07:20 | ogra: Should I watch load parameters e memory usage, ok?
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| 07:20 | <ogra> right, everything at the top should be intresting ...
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| 07:21 | the processlist ... not so much
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| 07:21 | <th13f> ogra: ok. I already have the munin logs. This show me every day at 12pm, the server is without free memory
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| 07:22 | ogra: I will do the top now...
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| 07:22 | <ogra> do you have enough swap so it has a chance to fall back to it ?
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| 07:22 | <th13f> ogra: yes...
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| 07:22 | :(
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| 07:23 | <ogra> also for ram usage /proc/meminfo and htop are way more accurate than top
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| 07:23 | <th13f> the swap goes to high
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| 07:23 | <gate_keeper_> echo "1" > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
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| 07:23 | free -m
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| 07:23 | <ogra> so first thing if you see your swap maxed out is to add more swap ... a swapfile if you cant do better will do
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| 07:24 | that should prevent the machine from hard locks
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| 07:24 | it will just slow down but should recover
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| 07:25 | <th13f> gate_keeper_: Hum, what this command do?
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| 07:27 | <gate_keeper_> actual memory use
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| 07:27 | without cache
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| 07:27 | <th13f> gate_keeper_: this cat, retorn me 0
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| 07:28 | get me 0
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| 07:28 | <polytan> ogra, brasero is simple but perfect
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| 07:28 | <polytan> I used to use gnome-baker
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| 07:28 | <th13f> I am searching about that
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| 07:28 | <polytan> and brasero is very cool :)
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| 07:29 | * ogra uses nautilus | |
| 07:29 | <polytan> do you ?
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| 07:30 | I like XFCE rather than Gnome for only one function :
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| 07:30 | changing from one virtual desktop to another using the mouse
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| 07:30 | on the side on the desktop
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| 07:31 | <th13f> gate_keeper_: echo "3" > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches.
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| 07:32 | this wont let the server use the memory for pagecache, inodes
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| 07:32 | ?
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| 07:34 | <gate_keeper_> th13f, 3 is using to free pagecache, dentries and inodes
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| 07:34 | 1 if only for pagecache
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| 07:34 | u are using gnome?
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| 07:35 | <th13f> gate_keeper_: gnome
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| 07:39 | gate_keeper_: why?
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| 07:43 | <gate_keeper_> i have around 35 clients who are using ~ 5-5,5GB of server memory with icewm/firefox/oo/skype/acrobat etc...
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| 07:53 | <th13f> gate_keeper_: this server doent freeze sometimes?
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| 07:53 | <gate_keeper_> i have 8GB
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| 07:54 | from memory, nope
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| 07:54 | <th13f> Ow
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| 07:54 | <gate_keeper_> how much swap do u have?
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| 07:54 | <th13f> 8Gb to 35 clients?
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| 07:54 | 7Gb is the minimum recomended
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| 07:54 | I have 6Gb
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| 07:55 | <gate_keeper_> add more swap
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| 07:55 | or use fat thin clients
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| 07:55 | or add more ram memory in the server
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| 07:58 | <th13f> gate_keeper_: Ok. I will check this server all day long
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| 08:53 | <r1ka> hi all
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| 08:55 | <r1ka> there is any "how-to" how to make local apps running on fedora 10 + ltsp?
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| 09:16 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:28 | <r1ka> hi sbalneav
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| 10:24 | <cdealer> please, need help with this with some urgency... connected trhough ssh in the ltsp server how can I get the clients DISPLAY number ? I need someway to be able to batch this so I could send a message to every user warning of a server shutdown
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| 10:32 | <sbalneav> Are they using LDM-directx?
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| 10:33 | <cdealer> sbalneav: well ... I dont know what is this, they use ldm, gnome... default ltsp5 on ubuntu 7.10
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| 10:36 | <sbalneav> cdealer: Do you have LDM-DIRECTX set in lts.conf?
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| 10:36 | <cdealer> sbalneav: no. What this can do for me?
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| 10:36 | <sbalneav> Then no, there's no easy way to send them all a message
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| 10:37 | Unless you've set up something like iTalc or the like.
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| 10:37 | <cdealer> sbalneav: okay, so I will put LDM-DIRECTX = true, and them how caould this make easy for me to send users message?
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| 10:40 | <sbalneav> cdealer: search the ltsp-discuss archives on our mailing list. This has been discussed there before, with solutions provided.
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| 10:40 | but for now, it's not going to help. You'd be better off to simply notify them via an email, or the like.
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| 10:41 | <cdealer> okay, thanks again for the help, just one more thing, italk you mentioned can do the job if I install it now or do I need any previous configuration on lts.conf?
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| 10:42 | <sbalneav> I'm not sure if iTalc was available on 7.10. I know it's available 8.04 and later.
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| 10:45 | <stgraber> sbalneav: first well working italc was Intrepid, Hardy didn't work that well with LTSP.
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| 10:45 | Hi scotty btw
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| 10:47 | <sbalneav> Hey stgraber
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| 10:47 | <cdealer> Hmmm okay, thank you all
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| 10:53 | <polytan> hi
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| 10:53 | I've done a new installation of ubuntu+ltsp within 1h30 ;)
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| 10:53 | lovely ;)
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| 10:53 | the only problem is : synaptics doesn't find any packages
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| 10:54 | just main
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| 10:54 | I've added a few repo, apt-get find them, the gnbome program to install also
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| 10:54 | but not synaptics
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| 10:54 | <stgraber> that's probably a configuration issue on your server, not related to ltsp
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| 10:54 | <polytan> yes
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| 10:54 | but myabe you have an idea :)
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| 11:14 | <cdealer> I just found on apt-get italc-client and italc-master, I think I will install it....
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| 11:37 | <SDuensin> Hey all, when a user logs in, is any script run? Is it run with privileges so I can do lock-down stuff?
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| 11:39 | <sbalneav> SDuensin: Yes. Location of script is distro dependent
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| 11:40 | Ususally the XSession scripts are used
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| 11:40 | * SDuensin is on Ubuntu. | |
| 11:40 | <sbalneav> You can drop a script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d
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| 11:41 | remember: the script is .'d so things like exit are bad.
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| 11:41 | <SDuensin> Sweet. That's easy enough.
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| 11:41 | Thanks!
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| 11:47 | <rjune_> ogra, you going to pycon this year?
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| 11:48 | <vagrantc> SDuensin: be sure not to use "exit" in with Xsession.d snippets, as each of those files is sourced as part of a script
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| 11:48 | <SDuensin> Yea, I saw that. Thanks.
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| 11:48 | <vagrantc> oh, i totally missed what sbalneav said. such is the way of skimming backscroll
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| 11:49 | sbalneav: so, with debian lenny released, i'm looking at doing some more significant changes in ltsp related uploads, and we'll have another round of copyright/license scrutiny fun...
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| 11:51 | <sbalneav> We still have some stuff that's questionably licensed?
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| 11:51 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: src/lbmount.c is unversioned GPL, which basically means GPL v1, which has some bugs ... could you relicense under GPL v2 or GPL v2+ ?
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| 11:51 | <sbalneav> Sure
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| 11:51 | <vagrantc> nothing too terrible, really ... but some cleanup that would be better to do sooner than later
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| 11:53 | <vagrantc> also some discrepancies like "please see the GPL file" but there is no such file, or "Copying file" when there's a "COPYING" file... seemingly little things like that
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| 11:54 | sbalneav: would you also be amenable to the more verbose and explicit copyright/licensing headers we've been adding to most of the files?
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| 11:55 | looks like ltspfs-trunk/src/common.c is also a unversioned GPL
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| 11:56 | :n
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| 11:56 | still don't know the story on header files ... *.h ...
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| 11:56 | but i suspect pedantic (a.k.a. debian) will want a copyright/license notice
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| 11:57 | <sbalneav> Fine with me
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| 11:58 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i figured so. just wanted to get permission before going on a commit rampage :)
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| 11:58 | <sbalneav> So, you'll make the changes?
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| 11:58 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: unless you'd rather
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| 11:59 | <sbalneav> Nah, I'd just muss it up :)
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| 11:59 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i figure since i'm doing all the nitpicking, i could putin the time and effort :)
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| 12:00 | <sbalneav> I give you blanket permission to licence any and all of my works with GPL2+, and include whatever copyright headers/notices deemed necessary
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| 12:00 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: :)
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| 12:00 | <sbalneav> s/you/any LTSP developer/g
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| 12:01 | That was always my intention with the code.
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| 12:03 | <vagrantc> probably can't start on the commit rampage till monday... but i'll have a go at it then :)
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| 13:02 | <Lns> wow, lots of xcb/java chatter today
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| 13:04 | <johnny> flicker free gtk+ is coming..
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| 13:04 | even over ssh..
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| 13:05 | <Lns> johnny: ?
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| 13:06 | <johnny> http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2009/02/10/how-to-remove-flicker-from-gtk/
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| 13:08 | <johnny> also this one ..
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| 13:08 | http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2008/12/09/flicker-free-gtk-continued/
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| 13:09 | <alkisg> ...and this means TCs would need more RAM ? :-/
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| 13:12 | <Lns> hmmm
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| 13:15 | <Lns> sounds nice, though i can't view the videos (they're scrambled for some reason)
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| 13:15 | <alkisg> It's because you still have hardy :P
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| 13:17 | <Lns> alkisg: =p~~ ~
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| 13:18 | from what i'm reading it sounds like all this stuff is done x client (app) side, so no thinclient ram increase necessary
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| 13:18 | if i'm understanding how it all works
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> I'm not sure... if now they use double buffering, it won't change anything
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| 13:19 | <Gadi> Lns: switch your video output to x11
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| 13:20 | (to remove the scrambled look)
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| 13:22 | <Lns> Gadi: uhh, where?
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| 13:22 | i dont' see that in totem
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| 13:22 | <Gadi> ah - using totem are ya?
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| 13:23 | it prolly uses gstreamer defaults
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| 13:23 | * Gadi has moved to gecko-mediaplayer | |
| 13:23 | <Lns> :)
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| 13:23 | <Gadi> much nicer
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| 13:23 | :)
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| 13:23 | <Gadi> and you can change prefernces with a rightclick on the plugin
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| 13:24 | <Lns> oh wow
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| 13:24 | sounds like that should be the default! =) mplayer..mmmm
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| 13:30 | Gadi: wow, i have a new favorite browser media plugin =)
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| 13:31 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 13:31 | * Gadi had to play with it recently, because it was one of the only ones that worked well on a 64-bit server I deployed | |
| 13:31 | <Gadi> worked well with asx files and such
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| 13:31 | <johnny> -uggh
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| 13:32 | <Gadi> I know!
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| 13:32 | <Lns> lol
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| 13:32 | <Gadi> :)
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| 13:33 | * Gadi laughs that gtk+ only now notices the tearing | |
| 13:33 | <Gadi> :)
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| 13:35 | * Lns wonders, will this improve window moving, with seeing multiple copies of the window when moving around quickly? | |
| 13:37 | <Lns> if "subwindow" means windows on top of the root window
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| 13:38 | <Gadi> Lns: no - moving the window is the window manager's job. subwindow in this context is a sub of the gtk+ window application
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| 13:38 | I believe
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| 13:39 | <Lns> ah ok
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| 13:40 | maybe this general methodology could be applied to metacity though
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| 13:42 | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-714130.html
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| 14:12 | <chupacabra> xfce-lite indeed.
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| 14:38 | <Blinny> I have a rather interesting question
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| 14:39 | I have a /home I've copied to another server. Desktop launchers I've created (say, to http://google.com) take forever to run. They even take forever to bring up the properties. On the original system, it comes up quickly.
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| 14:40 | Permissions are correct.. one caveat is that I'm accessing from an NIS slave
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| 14:41 | <johnny> lol nis
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| 14:44 | * Blinny kicks johnny | |
| 14:44 | <Blinny> hey it works
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| 14:44 | I sure as hell am not using LDAP
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| 14:44 | <johnny> so does windows :)
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| 14:44 | <Blinny> That's debatable ;)
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| 14:45 | Sooo you have nothing constructive to add, just pessimism? And stuff?
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| 14:45 | Why you gotta kick a brother when he's down?
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| 14:47 | <Blinny> I'll do s'more research. Later!
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| 15:46 | <Lns> johnny: you really should think about being nicer to people that have different setups than you ;)
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| 15:47 | <johnny> huh?
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| 15:47 | my setup doesn't even have ldap
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| 15:47 | i would use it if necessary
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| 15:47 | nis is lol tho
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| 15:47 | he dissed on ldap as you can tell
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| 15:48 | <Lns> there's nothing wrong w/nis
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| 15:48 | it's a very simple solution
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| 15:48 | <ogra> apart from the fact that everyone in your net can read al passwords you mean i hope
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| 15:48 | <Lns> sure
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| 15:49 | <ogra> they are bouncing through your network in cleartext all the time
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| 15:49 | <Lns> never said it was secure =) just simple
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| 15:49 | <Lns> can't you tunnel nis through ssh anyway if desired?
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| 15:49 | <ogra> yeah
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| 15:50 | stil a horribly complex setup
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| 15:50 | <johnny> Lns, plenty of people have different setups than me.. most of you guys do..
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| 15:50 | <ogra> as much as i hate ldap, in that case i would prefer it
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| 15:50 | <johnny> so don't be blanket :)
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| 15:50 | <Lns> really? I've never implemented it but it sure seemed basic enough
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| 15:50 | <johnny> it's just nis specifically .. that people still use it
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| 15:50 | that makes me laugh
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| 15:51 | <Lns> well ldap's complexity makes me cry
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| 15:51 | =p
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| 15:51 | <ogra> well, there are people using telnet still :)
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| 15:51 | <Lns> lol
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| 15:51 | well hey, if you wanna call an old renegade BBS or something, there's nothing wrong with that =)
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| 15:52 | <Lns> s/call/connect to/
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| 15:52 | heh
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| 15:55 | <johnny> hmm.. i never thought ldap was all that complex myself
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| 15:57 | <ogra> its not in itself, but its maintenance and its tools are
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| 15:57 | <Lns> isn't it true that there's no *real* standard for even basic user auth in ldap?
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| 16:03 | <johnny> standard in what?
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| 16:03 | what kind of standard?
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| 16:03 | user and pass is all you would need to store.. sounds basic :)
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| 16:08 | <Lns> johnny: right, i mean with the actual schemas or whatnot.. (sorry don't know the terminology)
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| 16:08 | about it being portable across setups and still work
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| 16:10 | <sbalneav> The standards are basically "ad hoc"
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| 16:11 | <johnny> some people require different and/or more info than others
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| 16:11 | <sbalneav> there is only one pam_ldap module, so any system that uses pam_ldap (most) uses what pam_ldap wants.
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| 16:11 | <johnny> Lns, seems like ubuntu or whatever could take the lead here
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| 16:12 | <Lns> sbalneav: ah, so pam_ldap is what keeps people tame ;) johnny: yeah, kind of like FDS
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| 16:12 | <sbalneav> ldap *itself* is a poor standard. It exists for legacy standards. It's a simplification of the X.500 standard.
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| 16:13 | LDAP exists, really, because no-one's taken the time to come up with something better.
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| 16:13 | I'd expect if someone were going to do something today, you'd do something based on XMLRPC or the like.
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| 16:14 | <johnny> you mean as a transport?
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| 16:14 | that's different than the actual storage..
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| 16:14 | xmlrpc is just a transport.. nothing else
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| 16:14 | <sbalneav> So's ldap.
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| 16:15 | LDAP can use berkely DB as a backend, a sql database as a backend etc.
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| 16:15 | <johnny> ldap is more defined as a directory than xmlrpc is
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| 16:15 | i wouldn't really relate those two
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| 16:16 | <sbalneav> Why not? What does LDAP provide, outside of the schemas?
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| 16:16 | <johnny> sure.. the schemas ...
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| 16:16 | and a way to query them :)
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| 16:16 | lol.. you could use json i guess :)
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| 16:16 | couchdb..
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| 16:17 | <sbalneav> And there's lots of "standard" XMLRPC servers, too.
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| 16:17 | At it's simplest level, LDAP's just a "write infrequently, read mostly database"
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| 16:18 | The only thing that makes LDAP useful is that some of the schemas are standardized, so they're reasonably "cross platform" standard.
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| 16:18 | <johnny> yeah
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| 16:20 | <sbalneav> Ultimately, what makes LDAP a standard is: it's just *there* on a lot of different platforms, and programs.
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| 16:20 | <spara> Hello :)
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| 16:20 | <sbalneav> i.e. a defacto-standard.
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| 16:20 | Hello spara
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| 16:21 | <spara> I'm french, so sorry for my english :)
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| 16:21 | <sbalneav> So far, it's been perfect. :)
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| 16:21 | <spara> I have a question about LTSP5 please :) i can?
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| 16:22 | * ogra used to feel sorry for his english (i'm german) but if you see americans type english a lot you give up on that at some point :P | |
| 16:22 | <ogra> spara, go ahead
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| 16:24 | <Lns> ogra: english is just the de-facto standard ;p
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| 16:24 | <ogra> hahaha
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| 16:24 | <johnny> ogra.. you're fine :)
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| 16:24 | either you improved.. or you never understood english in the first place :)
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| 16:25 | <ogra> well, its been the case in the recent past that i asked native speakers to review my wiki pages ...
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| 16:25 | <Lns> sometimes i see myself adapting to non-native english people i talk to online..
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| 16:25 | <spara> I have a LTSP server (K12Linux) and, i can't change the screen resolution for the client ! In hhe /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf i write X_MODE_0=1280x1024... an idea? thanks :)
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| 16:25 | <johnny> 90% of the people who say "sorry for my english" do just fine
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| 16:25 | <ogra> ... AND TEHY INTRODUCED TYPOS !
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| 16:25 | *they
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| 16:26 | spara, i'm no fedora guy but it might be that you need to definae CONFIGURE_X=True to make it generate an xorg.conf (where the resolution gets applied)
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| 16:26 | *define
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| 16:26 | <sbalneav> ogra: I think you're right
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| 16:27 | <ogra> i wasnt sure fedora used that scheme ... i know we did it in ubuntu
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| 16:27 | <spara> Hum, ok, i test now :)
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| 16:31 | <spara> I reboot the server. Because i have not a xorg.conf into the ltsp folder :)
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| 16:32 | <ogra> you dont need one
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| 16:32 | CONFIGURE_X=True will create one on boot of the client
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| 16:35 | <spara> The server use the xorg.conf into /etc/X11 ?? or another? because i have not a xorg.conf into the server
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| 16:35 | <johnny> you don't need one often
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| 16:37 | <ogra> note, the server xorg.conf has no influence on the client xorg
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| 16:38 | johnny, did i point you to that already ? http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000091,39617753,00.htm
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| 16:38 | this sales manager is sooo proud, is a really funny video
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| 16:39 | <spara> ok, thanks :) but he doesn't work :s, i have not a xorg.conf for the client..
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| 16:39 | <ogra> (and repeats himself all the time)
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| 16:39 | <johnny> yay!
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| 16:39 | <ogra> spara, fi you log in on a tty on the client, there is no xorg.conf ?
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| 16:39 | <johnny> ogra, how about you buy me one?
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| 16:39 | hehe
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| 16:40 | i'll join you in ubuntu mobilez :)
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| 16:40 | * johnny lol | |
| 16:40 | <ogra> johnny, probably, lets see ... if i win a lottery or something :)
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| 16:40 | (prob is that i dont play lotteries)
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| 16:40 | :)
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| 16:41 | i built all the ubuntu images presented there ... but sadly never had a real version of these devices in my hands :/
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| 16:42 | (only the rought HW boards ... never a case :( )
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| 16:42 | <spara> ogra, sorry, but i don't understand why have not a xorg.conf... a find / -name xorg.conf is not good
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| 16:43 | <ogra> spara, where do you run "find / -name xorg.conf" ?
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| 16:43 | <spara> in the server
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| 16:43 | <ogra> no, thats wrong
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| 16:44 | the xorg.conf gets created on the client while the client boots
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| 16:44 | boot a client
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| 16:44 | hit: ctrl-alt-f1
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| 16:44 | look if you have /etc/X11/xorg.con
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| 16:44 | f
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| 16:44 | <spara> ok i make it
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| 16:47 | sorry, i have not a xorg.conf ! this is unreal !
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| 16:47 | lol
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| 16:48 | <ogra> then i'm not sure how fedora handles that
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| 16:49 | CONFIGURE_X=True should create one
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| 16:49 | but i'm ubuntu developer, fedora might handle it differently
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| 16:49 | <spara> yes, i think :) So thanks for your help, that's cool
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| 16:53 | <summatime> has anyone tried setting LTSP for an imac g3 client before?
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| 16:53 | I've followed the LTSP install (server and client) building and configuring steps,
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| 16:53 | <johnny> sure.. you just havve to build the image on the client iself..
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| 16:53 | and copy it to the server
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| 16:54 | it takes quite awhile..
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| 16:54 | <ogra> yeah, setting it up is a bit tricky
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| 16:54 | <johnny> i got rid mine
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| 16:54 | i got rid of mine*
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| 16:54 | instead of dealing with that
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| 16:54 | <ogra> you need a G3 to create the image
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| 16:54 | <summatime> but when I try to connect to it from the imac I get a TFTP ERROR response 1 File not found...
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| 16:54 | I set it up on another powerpc-based mac (an emac)
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| 16:54 | <johnny> i never got yaboot working right.. and gave up
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| 16:54 | <summatime> ah
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| 16:55 | <ogra> you also need a special dhcpd.conf
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| 16:55 | <summatime> I was afraid of that
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| 16:55 | <johnny> looks like it's feasible.. if you want to spend the effort..
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| 16:55 | <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/dhcpd.conf
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| 16:55 | try that one
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| 16:55 | <johnny> after a couple hours..it wasn't worth it.. and gave those computers away, and got 2 other donated ones
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| 16:55 | <summatime> oh, I've been to that link, ogra; I didn't know that was yours, haha
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| 16:55 | <johnny> if i had a bunch more..
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| 16:56 | i would have stuck with it i magine
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| 16:56 | <summatime> johnny> yeah
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| 16:56 | * ogra still has two imacs ... but they werent powered on for over a year | |
| 16:56 | <summatime> ogra> I've tried putting that into my dhcpd.conf file but it didn't seem to change the effect
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| 16:56 | I can try it again in a few minutes
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| 16:56 | <ogra> summatime, using ubuntuß
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| 16:56 | ?
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| 16:56 | <summatime> I'm using Debian
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| 16:56 | <ogra> ah
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| 16:56 | <summatime> I would use edubuntu for what I'm doing
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| 16:57 | but they don't have a latest version for powerpc
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| 16:57 | that I've seen
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| 16:57 | <ogra> in (ed)ubuntu the ltsp dhcpd.conf is in /etc/ltsp on the server
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| 16:57 | no, powerpc support was dropped a long time ago
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| 16:57 | but it *might* still work
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| 16:57 | <summatime> yeah, that's why :/
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| 16:58 | <ogra> just nobody tested it
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| 16:58 | <summatime> yeah
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| 16:58 | <ogra> cliebow (who is usually here, just not now) uses a lot of G3s
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| 16:58 | <summatime> I just have a lab of imac g3s that I was thinking of using as thin clients
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| 16:58 | that's cool
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| 16:58 | <ogra> he might have tested it with more recent releases, not sure
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| 16:58 | <summatime> do you know what cliebow was running? (*is)
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| 16:58 | ah
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| 16:59 | <ogra> no, you need to wait for him to show up
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| 16:59 | he usually is here all the time, its strange that he isnt atm
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| 16:59 | <summatime> okay; well I'll hang out for a little while longer and I'll try the ~ogra/dhcpd.conf entries again to see if that changes things
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| 17:00 | somehow I just wasn't able to find any file (I was trying test.txt, etc. files on the server, accessing from the imac client, to see if I could even find where it's looking on the server)
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| 17:00 | i'll keep trying; thanks for the help ogra, johnny
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| 17:00 | <ogra> i remember there was some special setup required for yaboot (it needed to be in the toplevel dir and the .conf too) but i dont remember details
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| 17:01 | (its nearly 3 years ago that i worked with imacs on ltsp)
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| 17:01 | <summatime> yeah, I saw someone wrote about moving it to a more toplevel directory
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| 17:01 | yeah, they are older computers
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| 17:02 | <ogra> they are still beautiful, but i'm not doing any active ltsp development anymore ... i just hang around here supporting :)
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| 17:02 | * ogra works more with ARM than with intel HW nowadays | |
| 17:03 | <summatime> that's cool that you are still helping out in that way
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| 17:03 | more like handheld things?
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| 17:03 | embedded, etc
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| 17:03 | <ogra> well ...
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| 17:04 | i just pointed johhny to http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000091,39617753,00.htm
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| 17:04 | *johnny
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| 17:05 | but yes, effectively i'm workig in the ubuntu mobile team
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| 17:07 | <summatime> wow, that's cool!
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| 17:07 | <ogra> yep
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| 17:07 | <summatime> i'm looking forward to those books
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| 17:08 | well, I gotta get going for now, but thanks for the link
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| 17:08 | <ogra> ciao
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| 17:08 | <summatime> talk to you guys later
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| 17:28 | <KingstonAsus767> hello, can i ask you something about kiwi-ltsp in opensuse 11.1?
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| 17:30 | <ogra> i think there is a #kiwi-ltsp channel
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| 17:30 | <KingstonAsus767> ok, I'll try there then thak u...
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| 18:00 | * ogra glares at http://www.disklessworkstations.com/web/images/logos/rRaja1.png | |
| 18:03 | * ogra tries to understand what the items have to do with ltsp | |
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| 18:48 | <Ryan52> uhhh...
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| 18:48 | heh
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| 19:50 | <ogra> meh, my mail to ltsp.org still gets bounced back
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| 20:11 | <jsiddall> I recently installed a K12Linux system. When I run ltsp-build-client it goes off and grabs some 388 packages, installs them and then says this:
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| 20:11 | umount: /var/tmp/imgcreate-1b7kbH/install_root: device is busy.
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| 20:11 | (In some cases useful info about processes that use
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| 20:11 | the device is found by lsof(8) or fuser(1))
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| 20:11 | /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/common/010-chroot-tagging: line 3: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp_chroot: No such file or directory
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| 20:11 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 20:12 | I googled a bit and found some hits with similar errors, but no solutions. Any idea what is going wrong?
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| 20:13 | <Ryan52> no idea.
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| 20:13 | try again? :)
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| 20:13 | if you don't want it to have to redownload all of the packages, you shoulda told it to cache 'em. look at the k12linux website for info on how to do that.
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| 20:14 | (and I suggest you do that this time)
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| 20:14 | <jsiddall> Yeah, I did enable the cache... thankfully
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| 20:14 | I have rebooted and tried re-running numerous times. No change.
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| 20:14 | * Ryan52 hides | |
| 20:16 | <jsiddall> I am puzzled about the "device is busy" message, because although /var/tmp/imgcreate-1b7kbH/install_root exists, it is not mounted -- at least not by the time I get to checking.
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| 20:18 | <Bugs_BunnyBR> hey, What is your distro?
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| 20:18 | <jsiddall> I see the message "Mounting /opt/ltsp/i386 for chroot installation" but if I check the mounts nothing is mounted
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| 20:18 | K12Linux
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| 20:18 | ...er, that's F10
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| 20:22 | <jsiddall> I am re-running ltsp-build-client as I type this, and as it is installing packages /opt/ltsp/i386 is filling up with all the stuff you would expect in a chroot
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| 20:22 | <Bugs_BunnyBR> I am sorry, I have never used it..
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| 20:26 | <jsiddall> What the...? This time I got "info: LTSP client installation completed successfully" I am not lying when I say re-ran this numerous times. (09:13:47 PM) Ryan52: try again? :) -- Ryan52, you are are clairvoyant!
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| 20:27 | Sorry for the trouble.
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| 20:27 | <Ryan52> lol
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| 20:27 | cool
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| 20:56 | <r1ka> there is any "how-to" how to make local apps running on fedora 10 + ltsp?
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| 23:11 | <cyberorg> ogra, very strange indeed, i wonder what is going on in the mind of the artist coming up with this idea :)
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| 23:12 | <try2free> is there is an easy way to disable internet access for some thin clients?
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| 23:16 | <Ryan52> try2free: have some connect to a different server that doesn't have internet access?
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| 23:19 | <try2free> Ryan52: no, there is one server only
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| 23:19 | Ryan52: i need to limit only some client would connect to internet, the other can not.
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| 23:20 | <cyberorg> try2free, setup squid ACL
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| 23:22 | <Ryan52> cyberorg: it all comes from one server, tho...so how can squid do that?
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| 23:23 | <cyberorg> Ryan52, squid with authentication might work
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| 23:23 | <Ryan52> ah.
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| 23:25 | <try2free> can i use shorewall?
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| 23:30 | <try2free> cyberorg: can i use shorewall?
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| 23:31 | <cyberorg> try2free, don't know, never used it
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| 23:33 | <Ryan52> try2free: I really doubt it.
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| 23:33 | I've only used shorewall for a short time.
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| 23:33 | but it's more of a wrapper around iptables (for firewalling).
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| 23:33 | not really proxying.
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| 23:42 | <alkisg> An ethernet flow control problem was recently reported on the ltsp-discuss list: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=49A85E28.7090006%40dm.org&forum_name=ltsp-discuss
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| 23:43 | Can I use ethtool to stop my server for respecting flow control "PAUSE" signals?
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| 23:43 | How would that go? `ethtool -K--offload eth xx off` ?
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| 23:44 | Oops, typo, `ethtool -K--offload eth0 tx off` ?
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| 23:47 | If this solves the problem with gigabit server on gigabit switch sending only 100mbps (total bandwidth measured on the server) to 100mbps clients, it'll be great, it should even be the default for ltsp servers... Fast ethernet clients won't have to be upgraded to gigabit, and cheaper switches (1-gigabit port only) could be bought! :)
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