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13:52	<kb1kdw> Hi. I'm installing LTSP using the Ubuntu 8.04 LTS alternate install method. Does anyone know if I need any additional pacakges to have pulseaudio start working?
13:55	Also, can I chroot to the /var/lib/tftpboot and do an adduser to gain access to the local terminal to see how it is doing on a vt?
13:57	<NeonLicht> you can do so, but doing the chroot into /opt/ltsp/i386/ or wherever Ubuntu places the LTSP root tree (I doubt it does in /var/lib/tftpboot)
13:57	<kb1kdw> you're right.
13:58	/opt/ltsp/i386 is the correct place. Thank you.
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13:58	<NeonLicht> np, kb1kdw
13:58	<kb1kdw> It is complaining about "Your account has expired...PAM authentication failed"
14:00	It appears that I can su to the new user, so I'm going to pretend I didn't see the error :) Do I need to ltsp-update-image after each of these type of changes (because my system uses nbd)?
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14:11	<kb1kdw> Does sound just work if the right driver can be found for the client machine?
14:11	If I had an evil sound card, like the ESS audiodrive, would audio default back to coming though the server's sound card?
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14:23	<kb1kdw> Hi, does anyone have experience enabling sound on PC based thin clients? I have a lot of different machines to pick from (some good old ISA SB16's in the lot) and I was wondering if anyone might be willing to share some tips on how to get them going.
14:24	I'd really like to get some minor multimedia going so I can have my kids use thin clients.
14:24	Otherwise these PII-400's are going to have to go.
14:28	<alkisg> SB16? Hmmm that would be really good for freedos & http://www.abandonia.com for the kids :P
14:28	I've done this for one of mine, but with an opti - no sound for all games :D
14:30	<stgraber> sound usually work with PCI sound cards, for ISA you'll probably need to modprobe the right module manually, you can use a screen-session.d script for that if you're using a recent LTSP (Jaunty's or Intrepid's with my PPA)
14:31	<kb1kdw> screen-session.d script? Do I need to add that to lts.conf or is that something I can start from within a session?
14:32	Can I change the root password if I chroot to /opt and then passwd?
14:32	<NeonLicht> you can do so, but doing the chroot into /opt/ltsp/i386/
14:33	mmmhhhh... I think it was you who asked the same question half an hour ago...
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14:34	<kb1kdw> NeonLicht -- Yes, thank you again -- It worked for adding a user.
14:35	<NeonLicht> ah, ok, it wasn't exactly the same question, but since my answer was about the same I though the question was also the same, hahaha
14:37	<stgraber> screen-session.d scripts are scripts executed right before X is started on the thin client, you can find some in /usr/share/ltsp/screen-session.d in the thin client chroot (if you're using a recent ltsp)
14:38	<kb1kdw> Does the current ltsp look in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf or /opt/ltsp/i386/lts.conf ?
14:42	<srdjo> anyone know how to change kiwi logo on opensuse kiwi-ltsp ldm screen
14:44	<epsas> i am going to accept the defaults for the aptitude?
14:44	or did you do something to munge interactivity?
14:44	sorry, wc
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18:51	<Svenstaro> Can I use ltsp wih the same user on many clients?
18:53	Basically, I want to use a single "student" account on 30 different machines at the same time.
19:00	<Ryan52> probably not.
19:01	<Svenstaro> How would you do it?
19:01	<Ryan52> do what? use separate users. what are you trying to accomplish?
19:01	you might want to use the guest login.
19:01	<Svenstaro> Currently, they use a horrible system too horrible to mention here. I want to replace it and make it a lot easier to manage, but having to manage 30 users indiviudally is hard for a normal teacher.
19:02	<Ryan52> script it?
19:03	<Svenstaro> To be honest, its too much of a hassle, even then. All I want is an account that looks the same everywhere and that provides new students who login with a new clean interface that will be reset on every login.
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19:05	<Svenstaro> Can this be accomplished by forcing guest login for every thin client?
19:06	<Ryan52> not the automatic reset.
19:07	<Svenstaro> Will kiosk mode accomplish my goals?
19:08	* Ryan52 doesn't know what that is..
19:08	<Ryan52> maybe the ltsp cluster account manager thing can.
19:11	<Svenstaro> That thing soudns very promising
19:46	Never mind that, I just checked it out and it's kind of immature.
19:46	It looks like I need a custom solution, what a shame.
19:46	I might as well create my own distribution for this.
19:47	I checked out Edubuntu, Skolelinux, K12Linux and some very small attempts and so far none of those seems to get it right, or maybe I'm just twisted in my demands.
19:47	<Ryan52> Svenstaro: what don't they "get right"?
19:48	<Svenstaro> Edubuntu is very, very scattered and inconsistent on the documentation side but it offers the most options in my use case. The others imply that you are using a per-student user which is too much administrative overhead in my case.
19:49	<Ryan52> edubuntu doesn't imply that?
19:49	you can have a per-student user or a per-workstation user...and they all have support for both of those.
19:49	<Svenstaro> Err well Edubuntu implies that I use one account per workstation at least.
19:49	<Ryan52> ya.
19:49	<Svenstaro> Would you recommend per workstation use?
19:50	<Ryan52> yes
19:50	then you can also use guest login.
19:50	(which does basically that..)
19:50	you still have to set up the users yourself, tho.
19:50	<Svenstaro> The idea was this: If a new computer gets added or another gets replaced, no administration is required to make the machine work. As it stands now, I need to assign the MAC address after it is added.
19:51	<Ryan52> 0.o?
19:51	why mac address?
19:51	<Svenstaro> For autologin to work, the machine needs to know which user auto-logins on which workstation.
19:51	And it is based on their MAC addresses.
19:51	<Ryan52> or it'll fall back to the hostname.
19:51	so...set up dhcp.
19:52	if you have 50 computers, set up 255 users/dhcp ip addresses.
19:52	<Svenstaro> How does a new workstation know its own hostname?
19:52	Oh I see.
19:52	Didn't think about user per IP.
19:52	<Ryan52> add a script to set it based on the ip address.
19:52	(it == the hostname)
19:53	<Svenstaro> Mhh..
19:55	Even then, how do I automatically restore the users' default desktop and settings?
19:55	<Ryan52> nightly cron job?
19:55	<Svenstaro> Okay, I can override all the directories all the time, but there has to be a more elegant..
19:55	:/
19:56	Basically, I want to make the user directories behave exactly like the system were a LiveCD
19:58	Mh.. A user logout script?
19:59	<Ryan52> actually, that might be easy to do.
19:59	<Svenstaro> But what if the student just "shuts down" the PC? What would happen?
20:00	<Ryan52> what do you mean by shut down? ie, unplug?
20:00	tell them not to do that :)
20:00	<Svenstaro> For example, yes. I have to account for such scenarios.
20:01	<Ryan52> do it on login then?
20:01	it'll make things slower, but then you know for sure that it's clean.
20:01	<Svenstaro> Now thats a good idea.
20:02	This solves most problems.
20:02	So I have: [x] fat clients, [x] clean user dirs, [x] user-per-workstation
20:03	Now I only need to make the tftpd thing work using an alternative dhcp server
20:10	Edubuntu documentation is an utter headache :(
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20:43	<Svenstaro> Thanks for your help Ryan52, good night.
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23:44	<Quiliro> hello
23:44	i would like to know if i can have two ltsp servers on the same network
23:49	<Ryan52> maybe.
23:49	what are you intending on doing?
23:49	load balancing? or choosing between them?
23:49	(both of which are possible)
23:50	<Quiliro> thanks for answering Ryan52. i am asked to boot users on one server or another depending on which user it is
23:50	one server will belong to one company and the other to another company
23:51	<Ryan52> "which user it is"
23:51	do you mean which workstation they're sitting at?
23:51	or do you mean what they enter into the login box?
23:51	again, both are possible. (maybe)
23:52	<Quiliro> it doesn't depend on the workstation because a person may have two usernames to enter one server or the other
23:53	<Ryan52> well, you can have multiple servers that they choose from.
23:53	<Quiliro> each username would belong to one server
23:53	i was asked not to do that
23:53	<Ryan52> but you can't say "if they are bob, they go on server1. if they are sally, they go on server2."
23:53	<Quiliro> that's what they're asking me...can it be done?
23:54	can one server be the one to make the decision?
23:54	that what you say is exactly what they need
23:55	<Ryan52> give me a second to look at the code before I answer..
23:55	<Quiliro> thks Ryan52
23:59	<Ryan52> I'm pretty certain that it's not possible.
23:59	<Quiliro> options?
23:59	<Ryan52> so you want to be able to have a file somewhere that says Ryan52 gets logged into this server, Quiliro gets logged into this server, and they never know the difference?