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Channel log from 6 October 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:25 | <Levende> getting a TFTP open timeout on PXE boot.... it was able to get in IP from my dhcp server though
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| 00:36 | <vagrantc> andygraybeals: LDM_SERVER=192.168.0.5
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| 00:37 | andygraybeals: you could use hostname if your thin clients can resolve the server's name.
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| 00:37 | gotta run... good luck all
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| 00:38 | <Levende> no! come back! lol
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| 00:38 | ttyl!
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| 00:52 | <Levende> does openbsd-inetd provide tftp access? I'm getting tftp open timeout
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| 00:53 | I'm an idiot. ignore that
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| 01:18 | <Levende> do I need to add an ip-range in /etc/hosts.allow?
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| 01:38 | <Levende> got my laptop to boot LTS over the network.. now I need to figure out a way to kiosk a certain user, so that when he/she logs in, all they have avalible to them is web and openoffice
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| 02:28 | <Matrix3000> I am having issues with Google Chrome working with my fat clients
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| 02:28 | i keep on having an issue with SingleLockOn file needed deleting
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| 02:29 | I found a part in the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients page wehre it talks about SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS=False, but then below it talks about NFS_HOME, so would i use both or just one?
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| 02:30 | and my NFS server is on a completely different server
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| 02:30 | that holds the home directories
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| 02:43 | <Levende> for fat clients....do you need a pre-existing linux-based OS installed on the computer, or everything still stored on the server, but simply processed locally on the clients?
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| 05:30 | <vagrantc> alkisg: so presuming things work out, i'm going to try and make it to maine...
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| 05:30 | <alkisg> Yey!!!
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| 05:30 | This will be the best BTS ever! :D
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| 05:30 | <vagrantc> we'll see
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| 05:31 | * alkisg loves waking up and hearing good news :) | |
| 05:31 | <vagrantc> main thinng i'd need, i think, is a ride from portland or boston to the venue
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| 05:32 | * vagrantc doesn't even want to think about food complexities | |
| 05:33 | <alkisg> ...3000ml? wow...
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| 05:34 | <vagrantc> the closer portland
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| 05:34 | :)
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| 05:34 | <alkisg> I think Gadi and me could pick you up from (that closer :)) portland
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| 05:34 | <vagrantc> more like 4,000 from the farther portland
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| 05:35 | <alkisg> We'll be driving from NY to Maine on Thursday
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| 05:35 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ah, you're going with gadi!
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| 05:35 | i could even fly into new york...
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| 05:35 | <alkisg> Yup, he said he'll bring his minivan
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| 05:36 | <vagrantc> well, i'll send an email to ltsp-developer and let's see from there...
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| 05:36 | would be good to figure out sooner than later
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| 05:37 | * alkisg will be in NY for a whole week before BTS :) | |
| 05:42 | <vagrantc> wow. it's really only friday and saturday, huh
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| 05:45 | <alkisg> Yeah, Sunday morning some of us fly for the ubuntu uds...
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| 05:52 | <vagrantc> well, i've started the balls rolling...
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| 05:52 | let's see where things land
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| 05:58 | <knipwim> vagrantc: have you by any chance looked at my proposol for letting ltsp-info work with plugins?
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| 05:59 | we talked about that some time ago in relation to ltsp-update-image
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| 06:00 | and went ahead and made ltsp-info work with the plugin system
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| 06:00 | it's at lp:~wimmuskee/ltsp/ltsp-info-dev starting at rev 1931
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| 06:11 | <alkisg> The problem with plugins is that parameter text is duplicated to all distros, e.g.: add_option "server-packages" "`eval_gettext "List installed LTSP server packages"`" "regular" "false"
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| 06:11 | And since it's plugin based, it's not there in the man page
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| 06:11 | Wouldn't it be better to have overridable functions instead?
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| 06:11 | E.g. "ltsp-info/common-functions" defines function Server_packages():
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| 06:11 | echo "Your distro doesn't support this function, contact its maintainer, aborting" >&2
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| 06:12 | Then, ltsp-info/debian-functions would declare a function with the same name, to override it:
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| 06:12 | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' 'ldm*' | awk '/ltsp|ldm/{print $1,$2,$3}' etc etc
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| 06:12 | And the main system would first source common-functions, and then $DISTRO-functions
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| 06:13 | That way the main code would be common, the help text would also be in the main file etc
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| 06:13 | Distro maintainers would only have to declare functions
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| 06:15 | <vagrantc> knipwim: haven't looked at it, no... but it doesn't seem like a bad idea.
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| 06:19 | <knipwim> alkisg: only the generic plugins would be listed on all distros
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| 06:19 | only the generic options would appear in the man page i guess
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| 06:19 | <alkisg> knipwim: yes, I think it's a bad thing that distros would have to duplicate all the add_option code
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| 06:19 | <knipwim> like ltsp-build-client
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| 06:19 | <alkisg> They could just override functions instead, resulting in much cleaner plugins
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| 06:20 | Yes, I think ltsp-build-client needs a better plugin system too :)
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| 06:20 | <knipwim> ahhh :)
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| 06:20 | i was just going to ask that
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| 06:20 | <alkisg> Too much diversion between distros, too much code duplication etc
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| 06:20 | While with function overrides, the main code could be common
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| 06:21 | Maybe we could test that method in ltsp-info, and if it indeed works better, we can slowly migrate ltsp-build-client to that...
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| 06:24 | <vagrantc> the simplicity gained looses a lot of flexibility
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| 06:24 | <alkisg> Like what?
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| 06:24 | <vagrantc> you have to know what functions you're even going to call
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| 06:25 | <alkisg> Suppose you have a very generic ltsp_info() main function
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| 06:25 | <vagrantc> whereas, with plugins, you can insert plugin in nearly any spot needed
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| 06:25 | <alkisg> That calls Server_packages(), Client_packages() etc
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| 06:25 | Now suppose a distro wants to call Unknown_function() inbetween them
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| 06:25 | <vagrantc> for ltsp-info, functions might be better... but for ltsp-build-client i'm not sure it's flexible enough
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| 06:25 | <alkisg> And all the other distros don't want to have an empty function with that name in common_functions
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| 06:26 | Even in that case, that distro maintainer can override ltsp_info from his distro folder
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| 06:27 | (which is something he shouldn't do; he should convince other distros to have that Unknown_function template in common functions)
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| 06:27 | (so that the main code remains common)
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| 06:27 | <vagrantc> this makes me think of debhelper overrides
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| 06:28 | <alkisg> Right, the concept is similar
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| 06:28 | <vagrantc> by default, do foo bar baz, and allow people to override bar
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| 06:29 | <alkisg> And if bar is absolutely required, show an error that this distro code needs to be maintained
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| 06:29 | And it requires less sourcing (once is enough, no need for separate sourcing for each step)
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| 06:29 | $MODE
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| 06:30 | <knipwim> alkisg: i'm wondering if that would work with ltsp-build-client
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| 06:31 | each distro has very different install phases
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| 06:33 | <alkisg> It's not hard to maintain a list of functions to be called
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| 06:35 | <knipwim> alkisg: hmm, not entirely convinced yet
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| 06:35 | will think about it later today
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| 06:35 | my job calls :)
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| 06:35 | <alkisg> E.g. one quick method: 30-fat_clients with functions "fat_clients_configure()" and "fat_clients_finalization()" in it
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| 06:35 | But I'm sure there are better methods than that
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| 06:36 | <knipwim> excepts Gentoo has no fat client configure step at all
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| 06:36 | <alkisg> Right, so you just wouldn't have that file
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| 06:36 | And those functions wouldn't be added to the list of functions to be called
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| 06:37 | (09:35:42 πμ) alkisg: But I'm sure there are better methods than that
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| 06:37 | :)
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| 06:38 | I'll give it a better thought too
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| 06:45 | * vagrantc sighs | |
| 06:46 | <vagrantc> i gotta somehow convince people to come to my side of the continent again :)
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| 07:33 | <alkisg> Matrix3000: you can set NFS_HOME=server-ip:/home
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| 07:33 | And no, SSH_FOLLOWSYMLINKS doesn't apply if you use NFS
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| 08:01 | <Hyperbyte> Morning!
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| 12:58 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 13:08 | <exhuma> hi all
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| 13:09 | I am currently trying to set up ltsp to make use of a bunch of old PCs.
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| 13:10 | However, I am stuck. I followed a guide on help.ubuntu.com, setting up dnsmasq as proxy DHCP. So far so good...
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| 13:11 | I get the login screen on the thin client. But as soon as I try to login, I get a message "Response from server, restarting"
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| 13:12 | <vlt> exhuma: Does /home/<user> exist?
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| 13:12 | <exhuma> ... which returns me to the login screen. Is there any log-file or something where I can trace the error?
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| 13:12 | vlt: Let me check...
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| 13:12 | vlt: Yes. Exisits
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| 13:12 | exists*
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| 13:12 | <vlt> exhuma: Can the user login via ssh?
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| 13:12 | <exhuma> yep
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| 13:13 | currently connected via ssh even ;)
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| 13:13 | <vlt> exhuma: Does "ssh server" work from the client w/o fingerprint request?
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| 13:13 | <exhuma> vlt: checking...
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| 13:14 | vlt: I don't have a console on the client... Not sure how I can check that...
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| 13:15 | <vlt> exhuma: Can't you switch to ctrl+alt+F1 console?
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| 13:16 | <exhuma> vlt: ah... F1 worked... I instinctively tried with F2 ^_^
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| 13:16 | vlt: so yes... I now have a console but don't know the root passwd...
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| 13:16 | vlt: I assume it's defined inside the generated image?
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| 13:17 | <vlt> exhuma: I don't know of a better way than chrooting to the client images's source dir and run passwd
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| 13:18 | <Hyperbyte> exhuma,
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| 13:18 | !screen_02
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| 13:18 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: screen_02: to get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using%20a%20shell%20SCREEN
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| 13:18 | <Hyperbyte> That's the proper way to get a root shell on a thin client.
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| 13:18 | <vlt> Hyperbyte: Thank you ;-)
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| 13:18 | <exhuma> Hyperbyte: thanks... will try that...
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| 13:19 | <Hyperbyte> exhuma, from the root prompt (accessible with ctrl+alt+f2) you should type
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| 13:19 | <exhuma> hmm.... internet being slow.... :/
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| 13:19 | <Hyperbyte> ssh <user>@server
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| 13:19 | Only replace <user> with the username, leave everything as is. For example ssh exhuma@server
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| 13:19 | <exhuma> Hyperbyte: yep... no probs.
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| 13:20 | <Hyperbyte> No warnings about keys?
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| 13:20 | <exhuma> Hyperbyte: not there yet...
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| 13:20 | <Hyperbyte> Oh
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| 13:20 | <vlt> exhuma: Is /home/<user> writable for <user>?
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| 13:20 | <exhuma> Hyperbyte: don't have a root prompt yet...
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| 13:20 | <Hyperbyte> I thought you meant no problems ssh'ing.
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| 13:21 | <exhuma> Hyperbyte: on tty1 I have a login prompt
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| 13:21 | <Hyperbyte> Once you do ssh <user>@server from the root prompt, you should get an error message or warning of some kind.
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| 13:21 | If it complains about keys
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| 13:21 | <exhuma> on tty2 I have a blank screen
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| 13:21 | <Hyperbyte> !ltsp-update-keys
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| 13:21 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: I do not know about 'ltsp-update-keys', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ltsp-update-sshkeys'
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| 13:21 | <Hyperbyte> !ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 13:21 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: ltsp-update-sshkeys: If you changed your server IP, you need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys, and if you're using NBD (Ubuntu) you also need ltsp-update-image afterwards
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| 13:21 | <Hyperbyte> Do that if it complains about keys.
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| 13:21 | If it fails for some other reason, see /var/log/auth.log on the server.
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| 13:22 | exhuma, do the !screen_02 bit and reboot the client. You'll have an already-logged-in root prompt on tty2.
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| 13:22 | <exhuma> Hyperbyte: The web-page you linked times out on my end...
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| 13:23 | Hyperbyte: bad connection :/
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| 13:23 | <Hyperbyte> r
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| 13:23 | exhuma, your problem. Website works.
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| 13:23 | But instructions are short
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| 13:23 | Edit your /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf file
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| 13:23 | And insert
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| 13:23 | SCREEN_02=screen
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| 13:24 | SCREEN_07=ldm
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| 13:24 | Under the [Default] section
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| 13:26 | <exhuma> Okay... rebooting...
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| 13:26 | Might take a while... My current testing setup is quite slow... :)
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| 13:28 | <exhuma> while it's running.... Thank you guys for the quick responses :) You are awesome!
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| 13:29 | <exhuma> Hyperbyte: humm.. it didn't take the changes in lts.conf into account...
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| 13:29 | should I regen the image?
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| 13:30 | <Hyperbyte> No, that's not needed for lts.conf changes
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| 13:30 | !pastebin
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| 13:30 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 13:30 | <Hyperbyte> Show me your lts.conf.
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| 13:31 | <exhuma> It currently only contains the lines you just posted...
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| 13:31 | <Hyperbyte> ^^
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| 13:31 | I want to check.
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| 13:31 | <exhuma> omw...
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| 13:31 | <Hyperbyte> I bet your forgot the [Default] section.
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| 13:31 | -r
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| 13:32 | <exhuma> http://pastebin.com/ehPqmGit
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| 13:32 | <Hyperbyte> Hah, no
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| 13:32 | <exhuma> :)
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| 13:32 | <Hyperbyte> Okay. That'll work.
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| 13:32 | <exhuma> Even double-checked case-sensitivity ;)
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| 13:32 | <Hyperbyte> And rebooting the client yields nothing on screen 02?
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| 13:32 | <exhuma> nope
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| 13:32 | <Hyperbyte> Does it start LDM still?
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| 13:32 | <exhuma> location correct in "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf" ?
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| 13:32 | yep... LDM is up
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| 13:33 | <Hyperbyte> Assuming you have i386 clients?
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| 13:33 | <exhuma> yep
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| 13:33 | all i386
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| 13:33 | <Hyperbyte> Which Ubuntu version?
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| 13:33 | <exhuma> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf is not correct... right?
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| 13:33 | 11.04
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| 13:34 | <Hyperbyte> No, that's not correct.
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| 13:34 | Sorry
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| 13:34 | I'm an idiot
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| 13:34 | SCREEN_02=shell
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| 13:34 | <exhuma> :)
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| 13:34 | <Hyperbyte> Not screen, wtf...
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| 13:34 | <exhuma> btw... the client troubleshooting page has just come back for me.
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| 13:34 | :)
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| 13:35 | rebooting...
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| 13:36 | ... having the test server as a VM on an USB-Hdd is not really helping the overall boot-speed... -_-
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| 13:36 | ... given that the VM Host is also kind of lame ;)
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| 13:37 | <Hyperbyte> Heh
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| 13:39 | <exhuma> okay... It's the ssh keys I am guessing
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| 13:39 | I managed to log-in via ssh.
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| 13:39 | <Hyperbyte> You get a warning, if you're sure you want to connect?
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| 13:39 | <exhuma> but it gave me a "warning permanently adding..."
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| 13:39 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah
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| 13:39 | !ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 13:39 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: ltsp-update-sshkeys: If you changed your server IP, you need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys, and if you're using NBD (Ubuntu) you also need ltsp-update-image afterwards
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| 13:40 | <exhuma> sec... phone
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| 13:43 | <exhuma> okay... I just regenerated the ssh keys and rebooting again. That seems to be the problem :)
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| 13:43 | While I am at it: another quick question...
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| 13:43 | What's the easiest way to modify the client environment? Adding removing applications? Changing default WM and so on...?
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| 13:44 | simply chrooting into the environment? And apt-get foo?
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| 13:44 | <alkisg> !ltsp-chroot
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| 13:44 | <ltsp> alkisg: ltsp-chroot: you can download ltsp-chroot from http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/view/head:/server/scripts/debian/ltsp-chroot
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| 13:45 | <exhuma> :)
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| 13:50 | <exhuma> hmm.... ltsp-update-sshkeys did not seem to work...
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| 13:51 | I'm working on it... now that I know what to look for...
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| 14:04 | <exhuma> Okay. It's all working now. Thanks again for all the effort!
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| 14:07 | <Hyperbyte> You're welcome. =)
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| 14:07 | exhuma, about ltsp-chroot
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| 14:07 | Since you're running 11.04, you don't need to download it. You already have it.
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| 14:13 | <Hyperbyte> Hrm
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| 14:13 | ltsp.org nameservers are down.
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| 14:20 | <exhuma> Hyperbyte: yeah... saw that already :)
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| 14:22 | Hyperbyte: I am currently fooling around with the image...
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| 14:23 | Hyperbyte: I assume, that the image that is generated via ltsp-update-image is *not* completely transferred to the client? As that would defeat the *thin client* idea? Or have I misunderstood something?
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| 14:23 | Hyperbyte: My understanding is that the server will do the heavy-lifting and the thin client is only actually drawing the UI on the screen...
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| 14:24 | Hyperbyte: I have to be careful about RAM usage on the clients...
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| 14:26 | <Hyperbyte> The image in /opt/ltsp/images/ is made available to the client.
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| 14:27 | It's not transferred unless needed, naturally, because most clients have no way to store it.
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| 14:27 | <exhuma> Hyperbyte: Okay. As I thought... just wanted to be sure :)
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| 14:27 | <Hyperbyte> If you want technical details, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_block_device
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| 14:27 | LTSP uses NBD to avail the image from server to client.
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| 14:27 | <exhuma> cool
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| 14:37 | <stgraber> ogra_: added you to the LTSP wiki for this year's BTS
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| 14:38 | <ogra_> thx
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| 14:46 | <stgraber> ogra_: just talked with mgariepy, for some reason I thought pscheie was arriving in Bangor earlier than he's. So we'll just be leaving later from Sherbrooke and wait for the two of you in Bangor.
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| 14:47 | <pscheie> stgraber, I arrive in Bangor at 4:15, fyi
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| 14:47 | ogra_, you are coming to BTS?
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| 14:47 | <stgraber> pscheie: yep. ogra_ arrives an hour later, so we'll just wait for him
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| 14:47 | <pscheie> Cool!
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| 14:48 | <ogra_> yep, i do :)
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| 14:48 | if i get my ESTA ready
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| 14:48 | <pscheie> I can shake his hand and give him long-overdue thanks for a bunch of help he gave me a few years ago.
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| 14:50 | <stgraber> ogra_: did yours expire already?
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| 14:50 | <pscheie> stgraber, I think you broke www.ltsp.org
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| 14:50 | :-)
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| 14:51 | I can't get to it ATM
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| 14:51 | <ogra_> stgraber, yep
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| 14:51 | <pscheie> DNS can't seem to resolve
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| 14:51 | <stgraber> pscheie: oh, that broke just a few minutes ago then. https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_ByTheSea2011#List_of_attendees will still work though
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| 14:53 | <pscheie> ok, that works.
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| 14:53 | <stgraber> ogra_: mine seems to have been automatically renewed last time I entered the US from Canada. Expiry is exactly one year after my trip to Austin (LXC sprint). It's quite surprising it renewed without having me pay for it ;)
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| 14:54 | <ogra_> but you paid for it the first time i guess
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| 14:54 | i got mine for free, so they want my money now
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| 14:54 | <stgraber> nope, never paid for it. My first one was free, then it apparently just got renewed
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| 14:54 | <ogra_> bah
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| 14:54 | mine is definitely expired, i even got a mail reminder
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| 14:55 | ATTENTION! The travel authorization submitted on September 7, 2009 via ESTA will expire within the next 30 days. It is not possible to extend or renew a current ESTA. You will need to apply for a new ESTA. Please reapply at ...
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| 14:56 | thats what i got ... so no candy for me :(
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| 14:57 | <stgraber> they want your money! :)
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| 15:22 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 15:27 | <bakytn> just upgraded to Oneiric Beta. When booting from ThinClient right after the message: "Trying to load: pxelinux.cfg/default"
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| 15:27 | I am getting FATAL: Error inserting vesafb no such device
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| 15:27 | and (initramfs) _ input
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| 15:34 | <stgraber> bakytn: how did you upgrade?
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| 15:34 | bakytn: we don't support anything but: full upgrade of the disto, remove /opt/ltsp, rebuild the chroot entirely with ltsp-build-client
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| 15:34 | note that a natty chroot won't work on oneiric
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| 15:45 | <vagrantc> hiya folks
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| 15:48 | <alkisg> Hi vagrantc. So will you be coming with Gadi and me?
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| 15:49 | <vagrantc> i'll try!
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| 15:49 | <alkisg> Cool! :) :)
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| 15:50 | <Ghidorah> Hello everyone. Does anyone how any suggestions on how to troubleshoot this terminal issue I'm having? Users using LibreOffice on the LTSP terminals will randomly be returned to the login screen for the terminal.
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| 15:51 | <alkisg> Ghidorah: distro, version, and how much RAM on the clients?
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| 15:51 | <Ghidorah> I'm running LTSP-Cluster with 3 applications servers all servers are Ubuntu 11.04
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| 15:51 | Centralized NFS homedir on the LTSP-Root
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| 15:51 | let me verify the RAM amount on these machiens.
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| 15:52 | machines*
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| 15:52 | <alkisg> Ah, also check the graphics card
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| 15:52 | !localxterm
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| 15:52 | <ltsp> alkisg: localxterm: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
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| 15:52 | <alkisg> lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA on a localxterm
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| 15:53 | <Ghidorah> 256MB of RAM on these machines.
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| 15:53 | crap.
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| 15:54 | <alkisg> Do you have NBD_SWAP enabled?
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| 15:54 | <Ghidorah> It is disabled.
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| 15:54 | * alkisg uses 512MB of nbd swap, it helps to reduce crashes :) | |
| 15:55 | <alkisg> That's probably it, so start with increasing swap and see if the problem persists
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| 15:55 | $ cat /etc/ltsp/nbdswapd.conf
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| 15:55 | SIZE=512
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| 15:55 | And, NBD_SWAP=True in lts.conf
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| 15:55 | <Ghidorah> on the LTSP-Cluster root I assume?
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| 15:55 | <alkisg> No idea about cluster, sorry
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| 15:56 | <Ghidorah> Man I feel silly now
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| 15:56 | I didn't even think of the RAM
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| 15:56 | I quickly jumped to NFS file locking issues.
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> Nah don't worry there are so many things that can go wrong that we always overlook something simple :)
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| 15:59 | <Ghidorah> Just to make sure my understanding of the NBD_SWAP usage
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| 15:59 | It should be used when the thin clients are lacking RAM?
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| 15:59 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 15:59 | Open office and firefox use a lot of the so called "x pixmaps"
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| 15:59 | Local cache of x bitmaps
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| 15:59 | <Ghidorah> On the server where does that NBD_SWAP file get stored?
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| 16:00 | <alkisg> So even if firefox or openoffice are actually running on the server, those use Ram local to the x server, i.e. the client
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| 16:00 | I've seen openoffice using as much as 500 mb of x ram
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| 16:00 | In /tmp/
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| 16:00 | nbdswapd creates a temporary sparse file for each client
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| 16:00 | So, if the client doesn't need the extra ram, no disk space is consumed
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| 16:01 | But if it needs ram, it can store up to 512 mb in /tmp
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| 16:01 | And those are deleted when the client is powered off
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| 16:01 | <Ghidorah> per client
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| 16:01 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 16:01 | But usually it's not needed
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| 16:01 | E.g. if you see 1 out of 20 clients crashing, only that client would need the swap
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| 16:01 | And of course usually not all of it, just a few MB
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| 16:02 | <Ghidorah> Yeah I'm seeing ummm 5 - 15 a day
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| 16:02 | <alkisg> :)
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| 16:02 | Ah, a hint:
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| 16:02 | <Ghidorah> :(
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| 16:02 | <alkisg> disable compcache
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| 16:02 | <Ghidorah> compcache?
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| 16:02 | <alkisg> It eats up 25% of your RAM
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| 16:02 | Put "nocompcache" in pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 16:04 | <Ghidorah> Does it matter where I put it in that file?
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> Yes, right next to "quiet splash"
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| 16:04 | quiet splash nocompcache
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| 16:05 | Again, no idea about -cluster, if it uses multiple tftp dirs etc
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| 16:05 | <Ghidorah> append ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash nbdport=2000 is what I have in that file
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> append ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash nocompcache nbdport=2000
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| 16:05 | <Ghidorah> just insert it before the nbdport
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| 16:05 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 16:06 | Anywhere in that line would do
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| 16:06 | <Ghidorah> Awesome.
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> But do enable NBD_SWAP as well
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| 16:06 | When you're done, run `free` in a localxterm to verify that you made it
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| 16:06 | <Ghidorah> in LTS.CONF (LTSP-Cluster doesn't use it) is it required to specify the NBD server?
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| 16:07 | <alkisg> The ltsp server is assumed to be the nbd server
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| 16:07 | There's NBD_SWAP_SERVER in lts.conf if you need it
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| 16:18 | <Ghidorah> Thank you for your help alkisg. It is greatly appreciated
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| 16:20 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 16:42 | <mgariepy> Ghidorah, do they crash when printing ?
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| 16:42 | <Ghidorah> It was not reported that way
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| 16:42 | <mgariepy> ok
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| 16:42 | <Ghidorah> the teacher reports that the students are just working with LibreOffice and then reset
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| 16:43 | You were actually the person I was hoping to catch
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| 16:43 | since you run LTSP-Cluster with like a million clients right?
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| 16:45 | <mgariepy> not a million ;)
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| 16:47 | <Ghidorah> :)
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| 16:47 | Do you log terminal crashes somehow?
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| 16:48 | How do you handle say a run away process
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| 16:49 | <Ghidorah> sometimes when a terminal crashes while running libreoffice the libreoffice process stays open
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| 16:50 | and takes up 90+% of CPU
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| 16:54 | <mgariepy> ltsp-cluster-accountmanager kill user process that aren't connected anymore
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| 16:55 | <Ghidorah> hrmm it does most of the time
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| 16:56 | but I don't think ltsp-cluster-accountmanager is being called
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| 16:56 | because the terminal crashed
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| 17:08 | <jason_> how is centos with ltsp?
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| 17:08 | anybody ever use it?
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| 17:09 | <mgariepy> Ghidorah: is ck-list-sessions list the user ?
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| 17:10 | <Ghidorah> Good question... I didn't know about ck-list-sessions
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| 17:10 | I will have to check that once this comes up again.
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| 17:11 | <mgariepy> and does the thin client crash, or ldm restart?
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| 17:11 | <vagrantc> jason_: it's not officially supported ... it's probably possible to hack something together
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| 17:11 | <mgariepy> do you have compiz activated ?
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| 17:11 | <Ghidorah> Any other nifty or help comands that could help a noob LTSP-Cluster admin
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| 17:11 | ldm restarted
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| 17:11 | <vagrantc> jason_: mainly needs someone from the centos community to do the work
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| 17:11 | <Ghidorah> I have compiz off
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| 17:12 | <mgariepy> if you do dmesg on the thin client you see it ran out of ram ?
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| 17:13 | <Ghidorah> lol *shrug* I was not told when these crash occured
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| 17:13 | crashes*
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| 17:13 | so I was kinda taking shots in the dark
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| 17:14 | <mgariepy> you have ssh running on the thin clients ?
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| 17:14 | <Ghidorah> Yes.
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| 17:14 | <mgariepy> in ltsp-cluster-control you have logs when ldm restarts
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| 17:16 | you have event : Login screen
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| 17:16 | <Ghidorah> how would I determine when the login screen
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| 17:16 | event is from someone logging off
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| 17:16 | vs a crash?
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| 17:17 | <mgariepy> if you have a log for a user login, and a login screen without a boot or a user logout i guess it's should be a crash
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| 17:18 | <Ghidorah> hrmm good point
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| 17:18 | I will look into this more after some lunch. Mgariepy, thank you for your help and ideas!
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| 17:19 | <mgariepy> good luck
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| 17:20 | nocompcache should help too tho. i don't have a big 11.04 production site yet.
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| 17:21 | <jason_> vagrantc: I see. I was just curious if centos would offer me better ppc support than ubuntu is currently.
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| 17:22 | vagrantc: someone told me they run RHEL on PPC servers beautifully, so it made me wonder if CentOS could fill that void for us here.
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| 17:22 | <alkisg> Ghidorah: putting nocompcache without enabling NBD_SWAP will actually make things worse, so do those 2 simultaneously
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| 17:30 | <jason_> alkisg: I was reviewing the logs from yesterday. when you said to use --copy-sources, was that in conjunction with the ltsp-build-client command?
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| 17:30 | (if you happen to recall)
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| 17:34 | <vagrantc> jason_: i'm biased, but debian's support for powerpc is pretty good
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| 17:39 | <jason_> debian wouldnt even install yesterday, but I also grabbed the testing variant on accident
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| 17:40 | <jason_> however someone was in debian-ppc earlier speaking of the same issues with debian 6 stable that I had, so I'm not feeling that optimistic about it
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| 17:41 | <alkisg> jason_: what I suggested yesterday was to see the debootstrap command line that ubuntu uses, because it fails
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| 17:41 | While running it with no special command line, it works
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| 17:42 | So it sounds like a bug in the LTSP code, and with the ps loop I mentioned you'd help in troubleshooting it
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| 17:42 | As Hyperbyte said, stick to a distro and troubleshoot the problems, don't change distros on the first error
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| 17:42 | <jason_> And I'd like to help troubleshoot it, but "loop ps" isn't something that I know what you mean offhand.
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| 17:42 | <alkisg> You make it harder for us to help you this way
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| 17:43 | Well, finding out how to run ps in a loop should be easier than reinstalling though
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| 17:43 | I didn't have time to give you the exact command line at that time, but I'm sure others could help you, even in #distro channels
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| 17:43 | <jason_> alkisg: unfortunatley I've exhausted distro channels quite extensively.
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| 17:43 | <alkisg> Do you still have that installation? Or you formatted?
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| 17:44 | <jason_> I have the ubuntu install on the PPC, but I'm not going to that building for a few minutes et.
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| 17:44 | yet
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| 17:44 | the building must have lost power because I cannot SSH to it either
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| 17:44 | lost power last night, that is
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| 17:45 | I just wasnt sure what you menat by --mirror or --copy-sources. I had assumed they were just to be added to a command but I wasnt sure if it was ltsp-build-client or what
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| 17:46 | <alkisg> jason_: here's the loop: while true; do ps --no-headers -C debootstrap; sleep 1; done
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| 17:46 | Do that while running ltsp-build-client normally
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| 17:59 | <andygraybeal> yay for ltsp :)
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| 18:12 | <jason_> alkisg: sounds good. I'll give that a shot when I get there in a bit. Likewise should I be doing anything to the --copy-sources suggestion earlier? I can only assume both sources.list have to match?
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| 18:13 | <alkisg> jason_: no, it doesn't reach the point where sources would be useful
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| 18:13 | <jason_> alkisg: I see. I had just thought considering the nature of the error it was regarding the sources.list with finding the appropriate mirrors.
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| 18:17 | <vagrantc> you still have to manually specify a mirror, as copy-sourceslist doesn't know what to tell debootstrap
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| 18:17 | <jason_> vagrantc: a ppc mirror to be specific, right?
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| 18:18 | <vagrantc> jason_: yes
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| 18:18 | no sense specifying any other mirror :)
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| 18:18 | <jason_> vagrantc: well yeah, just wanted to make sure I understood.
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| 18:18 | this is all I dug up with ppc mirrors - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads
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| 18:18 | I can't imagine that's it?
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| 18:21 | <alkisg> You already have ppc mirrors in your /etc/sources.list, you can look them there
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| 18:22 | <jason_> all right. I hope and would assume they'd be marked in the ppc box, as my intel box here has no indication of ppc/powerpc in the sources.list.
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| 18:23 | <alkisg> Just ignore the mirrors thing for a bit. It should work without you having to specify any mirrors at all, since it's the same arch.
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| 18:28 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ltsp has the mirror hard-coded
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| 18:28 | alkisg: ltsp-build-client
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| 18:28 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ah, then that's probably what goes wrong
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| 18:29 | It looks like it doesn't add .gz at the end, when searching for Packages.gz
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| 18:29 | I don't know how that could happen
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| 18:29 | The rest of the url, as jason_ reported, was there
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| 18:30 | http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/lucid/main/binary-powerpc/Packages
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| 18:30 | (missing; while with .gz, it's there)
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| 18:31 | <vagrantc> it probably retries downloading after the first one fails
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| 18:31 | i.e. it usually defaults to Packages.gz, and then falls back to Packages
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| 18:33 | <jason_> couldn't I just do --mirror with the URL it would otherwise use by default, yet tag .gz on the end?
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| 18:34 | <vagrantc> no
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| 18:34 | it expects only the first part of the URL from sources.list ...
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| 18:35 | i.e. deb http://foo.bar/ubuntu DIST main universe ... you'd use "--mirror http://foo.bar/ubuntu" presuming it's trying the right DIST
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| 18:36 | <jason_> I see
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| 18:36 | <vagrantc> you can force the DIST with --dist DIST
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| 18:36 | <jason_> so if ltsp-build-client has the URL hard coded, and the URL is incorrect...
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| 18:36 | that's where I'm at - right?
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| 18:38 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I don't see a hardcoded MIRROR though: debootstrap $DEBOOTSTRAPOPTS --arch $ARCH $DIST $ROOT $MIRROR
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> and that's why you need to override it with --mirror
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| 18:38 | <alkisg> And from what I see, MIRROR only gets set if one specifies it
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| 18:38 | debootstrap does work without specifying a mirror, in jason_'s system
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ok, not hard-coded per se, you can override with --mirror
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| 18:38 | alkisg: well, the ltsp code will break it, then, and you'll need to specify it
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| 18:38 | <alkisg> So I'm guessing that there's some other part of the debootstrap command line that makes it fail
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| 18:39 | <vagrantc> alkisg: the ltsp code will call it with mirror
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| 18:40 | the ltsp-build-client code will call it with it's default mirror, which my guess is doesn't support powerpc
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| 18:40 | <jason_> would that be because ubuntu's powerpc support is community driven and not official?
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| 18:40 | <alkisg> (09:40:20 μμ) vagrantc: the ltsp-build-client code will call it with it's default mirror ==> what part of ltsp puts a mirror parameter in the debootstrap command line? I don't see it..
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| 18:41 | From what I see, if $MIRROR is empty, no mirror is specified
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| 18:41 | And jason_ tried running debootstrap without specifying a mirror, and it worked
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| 18:42 | jason_: btw, all that chat above would be avoided if we had the debootstrap command line :)
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| 18:42 | <jason_> meaning (don't hit me) what exactly??
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| 18:43 | <alkisg> Running the ps loop while running ltsp-build-client and giving us the output
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| 18:43 | <jason_> well
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| 18:43 | <alkisg> So if you go there later on, try it
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| 18:43 | <jason_> let me wrap things up and head over to where the ubuntu ppc box is
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| 18:43 | and maybe we can tackle it
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| 18:44 | now, I'm not a coder, b ut I can't help but to wonder...
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| 18:44 | with all of this talk going on, its an issue with me connecting to an outside source to grab the necessary files to complete the chroot creation process - correct?
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| 18:45 | <alkisg> I believe that somehow LTSP passes some bad command line to debootstrap, and that should be fixed in the LTSP code. So after pinpointing the problem and fixing the LTSP code, ltsp-build-client should work without you having to do anything special.
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| 18:46 | But it's just a guess; we need more info to pinpoint the problem
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| 18:47 | <jason_> alkisg: well, I do apologize that I'm not more up to speed with grabbing some of the suggestions you guys have put out. But I'm willing to help troubleshoot as I would like to be able to utilize this old hardware and save the district a few dollars, if you guys are okay with bearing with me a bit longer.
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| 18:47 | <alkisg> Sure, ping when you're there to try out stuff
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| 18:48 | <jason_> you got it. thanks!
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| 18:57 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it sets MIRROR in 000-basic-configuration
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| 18:58 | <alkisg> vagrantc: right, I missed that :)
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| 18:58 | <vagrantc> i was trying to tell you, but i'm mostly doing other things :)
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| 18:58 | <alkisg> I grepped the sources but I missed that file
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| 19:11 | <jason_> ping alkisg
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| 19:11 | <alkisg> jason_: vagrantc was right, the mirror is hardcoded so you need to specify it manually
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| 19:11 | Put your /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin
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| 19:12 | <jason_> oh nice
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| 19:12 | the chroot or the server?
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| 19:12 | <alkisg> The ppc "server"
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| 19:12 | <jason_> k
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| 19:12 | sec
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| 19:13 | http://pastebin.com/hbiHuRFu
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| 19:13 | is this an actual LTSP bug or is this just a side effect that you guys didn't expect?
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| 19:13 | <alkisg> OK now try: sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror=http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/
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| 19:14 | Well the problem is that it's not an official mirror, I'm not sure if it would be proper to special-case that in the ubuntu plugins code
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| 19:14 | I.e. "if arch=powerpc, use that mirror by default instead of the official one"
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| 19:15 | <jason_> its taking longer than it did last time
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| 19:15 | which is good
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| 19:15 | didnt receive any errors
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| 19:15 | (yet?)
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| 19:15 | <alkisg> You'll still need to fix your dhcp etc
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| 19:15 | You could even do that now, while it still builds
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| 19:15 | <jason_> I think I already fixed it
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| 19:15 | in accordance to whats on the crossarch page at least
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| 19:16 | <alkisg> So if you try to netboot a client, do you get a tftp request?
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| 19:16 | (on the server)
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| 19:16 | <jason_> I handed out a lease, remember? I couldn't see anything else.
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| 19:16 | when I tail'd the syslog I could see communication between server and client every now and then
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| 19:16 | <alkisg> Pastebin your /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
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| 19:16 | <jason_> I forget the exact terms used but it would refresh every so often as if it was re-establishing or trying to initiate connection
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| 19:17 | <jason_> http://pastebin.com/rYmEKE9X
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| 19:18 | alkisg: if I upgrade to a fresh install of 12.04 (way down the road) is it likely I'll need the --mirror gizmo again?
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| 19:18 | <alkisg> TFTP_OPTIONS="--secure --verbose" and run: sudo service tftpd-hpa restart
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| 19:18 | <jason_> what does verbose change?
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| 19:18 | <alkisg> Yes, unless we special-case it in the ubuntu plugins code
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| 19:18 | It logs stuff to your syslog or daemon.log
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| 19:19 | So if you see that the client requested yaboot, then you're on a good road
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| 19:19 | <jason_> so --verbose is for informational reasons, not for functionalty reasons?
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| 19:19 | I just want to make sure I document it properly
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| 19:19 | <alkisg> For troubleshooting reasons
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| 19:19 | <jason_> gotcha
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| 19:19 | <alkisg> It's already documented in the man page ;)
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| 19:19 | But sure, go ahead
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| 19:19 | <jason_> yeah but I always document my exact steps of projects I set up
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| 19:19 | and tweak them with what works what doenst
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| 19:20 | that way if that physical box BLOWS UP someone can walk in and follow my EXACT documentation to get it exactly where it was
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| 19:20 | <jason_> I try to make things as idiot proof as possible since time is everything when troubleshooting core components
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| 19:21 | alkisg: I'm on 10.04 - would "sudo service" be "sudo /etc/init.d" in my case?
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| 19:21 | <alkisg> No
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| 19:21 | <jason_> k
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| 19:21 | just wanted to make sure
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| 19:21 | I ran sudo service. it just came back with a process ID
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| 19:21 | that was it
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| 19:22 | now if I update my chroot, will I have to specify a mirror or is that part overwith once I build it?
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| 19:22 | <alkisg> It's over, hopefully
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| 19:22 | Now try to netboot a client
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| 19:22 | Even though the chroot isn't yet ready
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| 19:22 | <jason_> k
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| 19:22 | <alkisg> And see if it tries to download yabot
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| 19:23 | <jason_> er, will the chroot be okay once I tank the internet connection?
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| 19:23 | my test connection for dhcp doesnt have it on the main network
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| 19:23 | <alkisg> Ah, leave it for later then
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| 19:23 | <jason_> in that case, perfect time for a quick pit stop to the restroom
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| 19:23 | brb...
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| 19:27 | <jason_> alright... still rolling...
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| 19:28 | am I the first person to bug this much about PPC clients?
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| 19:29 | <alkisg> I think so. :)
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| 19:29 | <jason_> alkisg: :P
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| 19:29 | this could save us a lot of money... and frustration...
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| 19:29 | while we are 70% mac, we're moving towards linux. with that, LTSP is heavily integrated, along with native installs on laptops, various desktops, etc
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| 19:30 | but having THIS many old macs is just depressing to think they have zero purpose anymore
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| 19:30 | alright, some errors
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| 19:30 | <alkisg> I know what you mean, we have dozens of ancient labs with 64 or 128 mb ram here
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| 19:30 | <jason_> too much to type - Ill pastebin it...
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| 19:34 | <alkisg> sudo apt-get install pastebinit - it helps :)
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| 19:39 | <jason_> http://pastebin.com/HFpYv3GD
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| 19:44 | <alkisg> jason_: try this: sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror=http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports --security-mirror=http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports --updates-mirror=http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports
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| 19:49 | <Levende> fat clients don't require harddrives, do they? trying to determine what's going to be best for a certain network
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| 19:49 | <alkisg> Yes, they don't
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| 19:49 | <Levende> everything is the same as thinclients, but processing is done locally, right? nothing is "saved" locally
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| 19:49 | <alkisg> !fatclients
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| 19:49 | <ltsp> alkisg: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 19:50 | <Levende> alrighty
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| 19:50 | <alkisg> Indeed
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| 19:54 | <Levende> that guide on LTSP fatclients should still be farly streight forward for integration with Debian, right?
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| 19:56 | <jason_> sorry alkisg. had to do some on-the-spot training with someone who walked in the door. let me try that now.
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| 19:58 | <vagrantc> Levende: you might have to do some of the steps manually that are implemented in ubuntu's plugins... but it's not too difficult
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| 19:59 | i've been meaning to fix up Debian's fatclient support for a couple years now... never managed to finnaggle the time.
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| 19:59 | <jason_> alright - re-running that command now alkisg .... may be a while though
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| 20:21 | <Ghidorah> mgariepy: Are you around?
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| 20:27 | <mgariepy> yeah i'm still here
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| 20:28 | <jason_> this puppy has been running forever..
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| 20:28 | still no errors...
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| 20:28 | crossing fingers...
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| 20:32 | completed successfully...
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| 20:32 | <mgariepy> Ghidorah, are you still there ?
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| 20:39 | <jason_> alkisg: I built the chroot without error. However, I still cannot netbook a powerpc system off of my powerpc server. Nothing happens.
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| 20:40 | alkisg: however, I'm running late... going to look at a house tonight. so I must go. But THANK YOU alkisg and vagrantc for helping me further with this.
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| 20:40 | <alkisg> jason_: do you see a tftp request in the logs?
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| 20:40 | <jason_> sec, I can check that real quick...
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| 20:40 | I have dhcp discover, offer, request, and ack
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| 20:41 | <alkisg> No tftp? Then your dhcpd settings are probably wrong
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| 20:41 | <jason_> I copied them from the crossarch page
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| 20:41 | my IP scheme Im testing with matched up
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| 20:41 | so I kept it
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| 20:41 | /opt/ltsp/powerpc is the chroot, etc
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| 20:41 | <jason_> I wasnt sure what else I should edit
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| 20:42 | <alkisg> Well, for the rest of the "booting a powerpc" process, I've no idea, so I'll leave that part to others, more experienced with ppcs :)
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| 20:42 | <jason_> sounds good. at least we got the chroot!
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| 20:42 | that's a huge step
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| 20:42 | <alkisg> But it sounds to me like you should be seeing a tftp request
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| 20:42 | Do you have the tftp files now?
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| 20:43 | /var/lib/tftpboot/* ?
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| 20:43 | <jason_> tftp files?
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| 20:43 | ah
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| 20:43 | sec
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| 20:43 | ltsp, yaboot, yaboot.conf
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| 20:44 | <alkisg> ok, it still sounds like a dhcpd.conf problem
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| 20:44 | Paste your dhcpd.conf
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| 20:44 | /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, isn't it?
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| 20:44 | <jason___> lost connection
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| 20:44 | anyway, yeah I hear ya alkisg
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| 20:45 | but I gotta hit the road. thanks to you and these other guys we're in better shape now
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| 20:45 | take it easy!
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| 21:02 | <Levende> following this tutorial for integrating LTSP with a Debian install: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto if I plan on doing fatclients, I'd want ltsp-build-client --fatclient right?
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| 21:02 | doesn't seem to be much documentation, so I'm piecing together a few tutorials
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| 21:03 | but the Ubuntu tutorial for fatclients, there is no --fatclient flag on the ltsp-build-client
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| 21:16 | <alkisg> Levende: I don't think Debian supports --fatclient yet
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| 21:16 | So you'd need to build a thin chroot, add extra packages, and do a few steps manually
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| 21:16 | Like disabling network manager and choosing ldm over gdm
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| 21:17 | If you can read shell, then see what the ubuntu plugin does, and do similar things on your debian installation
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| 21:48 | <Ghidorah> Does anyone know of a easy way to mass reboot thin clients?
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| 21:54 | <abeehc> easy is relative; i have my chrtoot unlocked and use publickey auth to reboot em, after port scanning the subnet they exist on for machines listening on ssh
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| 21:56 | <Ghidorah> That's a pretty neat way of doing it
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| 21:56 | * alkisg uses a special monitoring tool he developed :D | |
| 21:56 | <alkisg> To be available in multiple languages in a few weeks
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| 21:57 | <Ghidorah> alkisg: is this your iTalc alternative?
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| 21:57 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 21:58 | <Ghidorah> I cannot wait for it to be released then
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| 21:58 | <alkisg> It's almost ready for a 0.1 version, just a bit of bug squashing
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| 21:58 | <Ghidorah> iTalc got shotdown here
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| 21:58 | <alkisg> Same here, that's the main reason we developed it
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| 21:59 | <Ghidorah> I was really hoping it would do the trick
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| 21:59 | <Ghidorah> we have this aging hardware control system for the computers
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| 22:00 | where the keyboard,mouse and vga plug into it first
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| 22:00 | and then the control box plugs into the computer
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| 22:00 | <alkisg> VNC is much easier...
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| 22:01 | <Ghidorah> The teacher(s) want to be able to lock the terminal screens
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| 22:01 | and do demo's on terminal screens
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| 22:01 | I'm not sure how to do that with VNC
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| 22:01 | <alkisg> We already have those, and lots more
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| 22:02 | E.g. mute sound, execute commands...
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| 22:02 | <Ghidorah> Sounds like a few weeks you'll be my hero... yet again.
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| 22:04 | <abeehc> no doubt same here
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| 22:04 | for vnc i do roughly the same things as the reboot script using x11vnc on the client...currently
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| 22:05 | <Ghidorah> abeehc: so you have x11vnc in the chroot
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| 22:05 | then your script connecting to the clients?
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| 22:06 | <abeehc> yep
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| 22:07 | for a long time i did it manually then i wrote a crappy script for a less skilled tech to start x11vnc, takes argument of username and uses who to figure out what to do
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| 22:07 | that guys gone now i don't know if he even used it; i still do it manually for the odd times i need to show users something or watch some kinda problem happening
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| 22:08 | <Ghidorah> So you'll have a user at your desk and you VNC to a thinclient to demo something?
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| 22:09 | <abeehc> no0 i work from home a lot, so i will talk to them over the phone at times, and vnc to their desktop
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| 22:10 | <abeehc> somtimes if they are lame enough to leave themselves logged in, and then come to my desk that might happen
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| 22:10 | <Ghidorah> oh I'm jealous of you right now'
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| 22:10 | <alkisg> We have a "remote assistance" option for that, it uses reverse vnc connections to bypass the need for port forwarding
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| 22:11 | <Ghidorah> Oh that'd be nice
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| 22:12 | <abeehc> with vpn i dont have the need to port forward but that sounds very nice lookin forward to trying it out
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| 22:12 | <Ghidorah> Is there a mailing list or something alkisg for notification on the release of your new tool?
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| 22:13 | <alkisg> Ghidorah: when it's a bit more tested, we'll announce it at ltsp and edubuntu mailing lists
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| 22:13 | <Ghidorah> On another note is anyone going to the LTSP By The Sea conference?
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| 22:14 | <alkisg> http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_ByTheSea2011
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| 22:15 | <Ghidorah> I got my school to approve a donation to the conference
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| 22:15 | <Ghidorah> My boss is working with Mr. McQuillan to get a PO cut
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| 22:16 | <alkisg> Ah, fine
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| 22:16 | <Ghidorah> I wish I could go
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| 22:16 | <Phantomas> Hello
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| 22:16 | <alkisg> Phantomas is the main developer of the new tool, called "epoptes" - you can bug him to release sooner :D
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| 22:16 | <Ghidorah> However I have little to offer as I'm just a admin
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| 22:16 | <Phantomas> alkisg: :p sooner than tomorrow? :D
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| 22:17 | <alkisg> Tomorrow? really? I thought it'd take weeks... :D
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| 22:17 | <Phantomas> /kick alkisg
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| 22:17 | :p
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| 22:17 | <Ghidorah> sudo apt-get purge italc
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| 22:17 | <Phantomas> hahaha
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| 22:19 | Ghidorah: hope you will, soon ;)
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| 22:19 | <Ghidorah> lol
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| 22:19 | I'm doing it right now
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| 22:21 | <alkisg> Goodnight all
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| 22:21 | <Ghidorah> 'nite
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| 22:42 | <Gadi> !disable-compiz
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| 22:42 | <ltsp> Gadi: disable-compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 22:53 | <Levende> !fatclient
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| 22:53 | <ltsp> Levende: I do not know about 'fatclient', but I do know about these similar topics: 'fatclients', 'fatclient-printers'
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| 22:53 | <Levende> !fat-client
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| 22:53 | <ltsp> Levende: I do not know about 'fat-client', but I do know about these similar topics: 'fatclients'
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| 22:54 | <Levende> !fatclients
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| 22:54 | <ltsp> Levende: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 23:07 | <Ghidorah> Does anyone know if it is possible to change the location of the tmp file for nbd_swap?
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