IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 19 May 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:52 | <elmar1969> Hi, I'using LTPS on debian. After Kernel-Update Clients fail to boot. On Client-Console I see an messages like
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| 02:52 | IP-Config: eth0 Complete ...
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| 02:52 | address: ...
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| 02:52 | gateway: ...
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| 02:52 | rootserver: ...
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| 02:52 | filename :
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| 02:52 | Error: Connect: Connection refused
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| 02:52 | mount: mounting aufs on /root failed: No such device.
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| 02:52 | What is going wrong here?
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| 02:58 | <X-TaZ> elmar1969, it seems wou're having an issue with your tftp
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| 02:58 | Is it running ?
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| 02:59 | <elmar1969> The dir /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 dore contain config-2.6.26-2-486 initrd.img@ initrd.img-2.6.26-2-486 nbi.img@ nbi.img-2.6.26-2-486 pxelinux.0* pxelinux.cfg/ System.map-2.6.26-2-486 vmlinuz@ vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-486
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| 02:59 | Is there anything missing?
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| 03:00 | <X-TaZ> try a "netstat -lataupe" and try to see if your server is listening on tftp port
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| 03:01 | <elmar1969> It is listening via inetd - the client does load kernel via tftp - the tftp-server cannot be completely off
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| 03:02 | <X-TaZ> Well, I don't know how to help you :)
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| 03:03 | I don't know why your nbi.img have an @. Mine don't have
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| 03:05 | In my dhcpd.conf i can see the folowing :
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| 03:05 | option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 03:05 | if substring( option vendor-class-identifier,0,9)="PXEClient"{
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| 03:05 | filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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| 03:05 | } else{
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| 03:05 | filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
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| 03:05 | }
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| 03:05 | }
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| 03:06 | So it loads nbi.img and not nbi.imb@ , elmar1969
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| 03:07 | <elmar1969> the @-sign is shown as it is an symbolic link
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| 03:07 | I'm usins dnsmasq but this is unchanged.
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| 03:08 | <alkisg> elmar1969: do you have another dhcp server running, e.g. a router?
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| 03:09 | <elmar1969> I'm shure it is switched off - else it would raise chaos. In any case it would never send out boot information.
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| 03:10 | <alkisg> elmar1969: if it's on, it would behave like the error you see
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| 03:11 | I.e. your normal dhcp server would give the initial ip address, and the router the second ip address (in the initramfs/ipconfig), so it would fail to contact the nbd-server
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| 03:15 | <elmar1969> Thr router config page shows DHCP off. How can I search for DHCP-Server on network?
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| 03:16 | <alkisg> elmar1969: try this: sudo /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/klibc/bin/ipconfig -n eth0
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| 03:16 | -n means not to actually set the ip
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| 03:16 | (that's from the server)
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| 03:18 | elmar1969: or, see the output from the client: "(10:51:09 πμ) elmar1969: rootserver: ..." => it should be your ltsp server
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| 03:20 | <elmar1969> Rootserver is my DHCP server, rootpath is pointing to my ltsp-server
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| 03:20 | <alkisg> Hm? Are they different?
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| 03:22 | <manu_ubu> problem with tftp or inetd ?
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| 03:23 | <elmar1969> alkisg: The are different, the LTSP-Machine is not running 7/24, the DHCP-server is 7/24
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| 03:24 | <alkisg> elmar1969: Where's your tftp server?
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| 03:24 | <elmar1969> manu_ubu: how can I make tftp-deamon be more verbose? I cannot see any logs for tftp traffic
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| 03:25 | The tftp-server is on LTSP machine
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| 03:25 | <alkisg> elmar1969: so make rootserver = ltsp server in dnsmasq.conf
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| 03:26 | <elmar1969> alkisg: what config-option does that in dnsmasq?
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| 03:27 | <manu_ubu> if you want test tftp use on terminal tftp address-IP-server 69 -c get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 /tmp/pxelinux.0
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| 03:28 | <alkisg> elmar1969: what setting do you have for next-server in dnsmasq.conf ?
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| 03:29 | <elmar1969> manu_ubu: I can get that file by tftp from my workstation
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| 03:30 | there is no next-server option in dnsmasq.conf
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| 03:31 | <alkisg> elmar1969: set one to point to your ltsp server
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| 03:32 | <manu_ubu> ok your tftp run
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| 03:33 | <alkisg> elmar1969: I don't really know if that's what it's called in dnsmasq.conf, next-server is dhcp3-server "terminology"...
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| 03:34 | It's the ip of the tftp server....
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| 03:37 | elmar1969: if that doesn't do it, then you may need an nfsroot=<server-ip>:/opt/ltsp/i386 kernel parameter in pxelinux.cfg/default, but I'm not familiar with nfs, so I can't tell you the exact line
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| 04:16 | <elmar1969> manu_ubu: the boot stops with (initramfs) prompt. How can I proceed there?
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| 04:33 | <elmar1969> Still need more ideas to proceed: my LTSP client does start with initramfs prompt only after kernel-update. Waht can help there?
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| 04:38 | <laga> looking at any error messages you may be getting
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| 04:43 | <manu_ubu> elmar1969: you have busy-box as shell on your client ?
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| 04:44 | <elmar1969> yes
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| 04:46 | <manu_ubu> ok have you again rebuild the kernel in the chroot : update-initramfs -u and update with ltsp-update-kernel ?
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| 04:51 | <elmar1969> done again (the 'update-initramfs -u' whithin chroot, 'ltsp-update-kernel' outside) - no difference
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| 04:52 | <manu_ubu> ltsp version ?
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| 04:54 | <elmar1969> Client and server are at 5.1.69 (Debian testing)
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| 04:55 | Should I change that to 5.1.73 (Debian-unstable)?
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| 05:00 | Update to 5.1.73 did not solve problem
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| 05:03 | <elmar1969> Would it help to send an screenshot of last messages? Where to place PNG file?
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| 05:04 | <manu_ubu> have you test inetd running ?
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| 05:05 | <elmar1969> What is "test inetd"
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| 05:05 | <manu_ubu> ps -A |grep inetd
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| 05:07 | <elmar1969> On my ltsp server it displays " 7712 ? 00:00:00 inetd" on busybox-client it does show nothing.
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| 05:13 | <manu_ubu> if tftp and inetd run perhaps have you a problem this kernel ?? anybody have a idea ?
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| 05:16 | <elmar1969> form busybox I do have trouble on manually mounting NFS rootdir: module "nfs" seems not to be loaded automatically, "mount IP:/opt/ltfs/i386 /tmp/mnt" does report "no such file or directory" while "/tmp/mnt" does exist
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| 05:31 | The problem seems to be in the way ltsp does handle kernels, I did try several debian-kernel packages with same effect
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| 05:34 | Why does ltsp copy the kernel-dir to an separate TFTP-dir?
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| 05:37 | setting initramfs-tools-options to nfs-boot did also not help
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| 11:47 | <epsas> good morning peoples
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| 11:55 | <treyh> epsas: good morning
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| 12:28 | <treyh> lots of people in here today
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| 12:29 | <cliebow> what a racket!
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| 12:30 | <treyh> gives me time on how to change the uscreen of ubuntu :)
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| 12:31 | <epsas> treyh - yeah, the level of #ltsp traffic this morning is annoying
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| 12:32 | <treyh> epsas: hmmm seems like Nubae* is spam logging? lol
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| 12:32 | he did bus, mob, back and forth
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| 13:01 | <treyh> anyone have any experience with gnome-splashscreen-manager in a chroot
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| 13:11 | <Nubae> :-) Sorry that was my mobile connection on the bus
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| 13:11 | which is 3g/gprs and as one can see it jumps quite a lot
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| 13:11 | still it works, I can be connected constantly and work while moving around
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| 13:11 | hopeully it doesn't annoy people too much
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| 13:14 | <alkisg> How can I get a list of the users that belong to a group?
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| 13:15 | <treyh> *thinks back to his freebsd days*
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| 13:15 | alkisg: sec I'll look it up
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| 13:15 | <epsas> depends
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| 13:15 | if you are using files for your groups
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| 13:16 | you can just grep the groupname in /etc/groups
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| 13:16 | <stgraber> alkisg: getent group <group name>
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| 13:16 | <treyh> grep groupname /etc/groups
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| 13:16 | damn it lol you guys beat me
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| 13:16 | <stgraber> the getent will also work with LDAP though ;)
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| 13:16 | <epsas> stgraber is using science
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| 13:17 | <alkisg> I have this: getent group fuse|cut -d: -f4|tr , ' '
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| 13:17 | And I was looking for a better way, because it doesn't tell me that "alkisg" user belongs to the "alkisg" group... :(
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| 13:17 | <stgraber> alkisg: not sure there
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| 13:17 | *** keyboard ...
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| 13:18 | not sure there's an easy way to get the list including the users for which the group is their primary group
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| 13:18 | <alkisg> Ah... I was afraid of that :(
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| 13:18 | Thank you guys
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| 13:18 | <Gadi> alkisg: use "group"
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> Gadi, ? group => command not found...
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| 13:19 | <Gadi> oops - groups
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| 13:19 | <stgraber> groups work as id
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| 13:19 | <alkisg> Gadi: that's the opposite question :)
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| 13:19 | <Gadi> oh
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| 13:19 | <stgraber> as in it'll give you the list of groups for a user
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| 13:20 | not the list of users for a group
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| 13:21 | <johnny> gentlemen
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| 13:21 | * johnny attacks Gadi | |
| 13:21 | <Gadi> yikes
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| 13:21 | * Gadi runs away | |
| 13:21 | <johnny> i really need to learn more erlang..
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| 13:22 | enough to fix the silly transport to store nickserv credentials..
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| 13:22 | so it doesn't cause me to nickchange so often on freenode
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| 13:25 | <alkisg> Ah, there's a utility for what I was looking for, called "members". So I guess there's no trivial way for that.
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| 13:52 | * Nubae pricks his ears up hearing erlang | |
| 13:53 | <Nubae> johnny, u interested in erlang? ejabberd wise?
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| 13:53 | <johnny> sure
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| 13:53 | of course
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| 13:54 | * Nubae hmmms | |
| 13:55 | <Nubae> Sugar is looking for someone who can erlang well
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| 13:55 | <johnny> well. that's not me.. i can't erlang well.. i can only erlang so so :)
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| 14:51 | <ltsppbot> "alkisg" pasted "add-keyboard-applet" (148 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/348
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| 14:52 | <alkisg> I've just finished a script that adds gnome-keyboard-applet to the top panel for ALL users. beta testers are welcome :)
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| 14:52 | It should work on Ubuntu 8.04, 8.10 and 9.04. With sudo sh add-keyboard-applet it changes the defaults for new users, and with sh add-keyboard-applet it adds it to the panel of the current user.
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| 14:52 | Well, question: where is a good init script to put it so that it gets executed when the users log on? In /etc/profile.d ?
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| 15:38 | <warren> Where is mount.nfs and mount.nfs4 located in debian/ubuntu?
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| 15:38 | within /sbin ?
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| 15:41 | <treyh> warren: sec i'll search
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| 15:43 | <alkisg> warren: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/nfs-common/filelist
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| 15:43 | /sbin
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| 15:43 | <warren> thx
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| 15:44 | <vagrantc> warren: all in /sbin, yes.
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| 15:46 | <treyh> don't have a mount.nfs on my jaunty
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| 15:47 | unless i'm searching wrong
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| 15:47 | find /sbin | grep mount.nfs
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| 15:48 | <vagrantc> probably don't have nfs-common installed.
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| 16:01 | <treyh> thats right
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| 16:01 | i'm using nbd
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| 20:18 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 20:18 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: hi!
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| 20:21 | <sbalneav> Hey vagrantc!
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| 20:22 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: how goes it on the northern plain?
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| 20:23 | <sbalneav> Too darned busy.
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| 20:23 | However!
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| 20:24 | I did squash a bug in ldm the other day.
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| 20:24 | which got me to thinking.
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| 20:24 | Here was the problem
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| 20:24 | I was getting the hanging up on login thingy.
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| 20:24 | setting the "NOBLOCK" flag didn't work for me, for some reason.
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| 20:25 | sometime after login, the ldm ssh login that idles on the /bin/sh - was getting more input.
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| 20:26 | i.e. there was some kind of data on the shell output. don't know what.
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| 20:26 | Solution was to spawn a "reader" thread, that after a successful login, sat and idled in a select() statement on the stdout on the /bin/sh -, and simply discarded input.
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| 20:27 | worked like a charm
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| 20:27 | so.
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| 20:27 | one of the things I *never* liked about my re-write of LDM was that it's very linear. There's little to no event handling.
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| 20:27 | do the chat
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| 20:27 | get the login
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| 20:27 | spawn the X
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| 20:27 | boom
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| 20:28 | if anything out of the ordinary happens, things "don't work so well"
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| 20:28 | sooo
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| 20:28 | I was thinking how to re-do ldm into a full glib mainline()
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| 20:28 | add io_watchers for each of the communications channels
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| 20:28 | proper signal handling, etc.
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| 20:30 | <sbalneav> That, and I've started looking at the manual again.
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| 20:30 | Gadi's post the other day on all the xrandr stuff, I'm trying to formulate it into a chapter for the docs.
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| 20:39 | <acp_> Hi I have a internetshop that is running ltsp-5 its ubuntu 9.04, can I use skype on my setup?
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| 20:40 | specially video conference
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| 20:43 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i'm sure glad i don't have to think about all that stuff :)
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| 20:44 | sbalneav: sounds like my whole feeling of "everything is stabalizing" is about to take another one of those hard left turns.
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| 20:44 | for the better, i'm sure :)
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| 20:48 | <sbalneav> Well, if we work on anything, it'll be ldm3, with a completely separate branch.
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| 20:50 | <vagrantc> wheee!
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| 21:01 | ltsp, ldm and ltspfs are in debian sid (unstable) are fully compatible with debian lenny (stable)! yay. saves the hassle of backporting. :)
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| 21:04 | <sbalneav> awesom
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| 21:06 | <vagrantc> recent improvements in unstable actually do a better job of not bloating versioned dependencies, so many of the packages actually (claim) to be compatible with older versions than what's even in lenny. some might even be etch compatible.
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| 21:12 | <acp_> sorry I'm I in a wrong room, is this for ltsp developer only?
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| 21:13 | <vagrantc> all things LTSP are fair game.
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| 21:13 | <sbalneav> acp_: No, not the wrong room, just no-one here at the moment knows the answer.
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| 21:13 | <acp_> oh ok,thanks
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| 21:13 | <sbalneav> I don't use skype, so I'm not sure.
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| 21:14 | <acp_> bythewya ltsp is great save me bucks for my internetshop
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| 21:49 | <jammcq> evening gents
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| 21:51 | <sbalneav> jammcq: Evening
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| 21:51 | <jammcq> scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 21:51 | is it really you?
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| 21:51 | <sbalneav> No, only a very clever AI.
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| 21:52 | Meep does not compute
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| 21:52 | <jammcq> hmm, /me wonders how clever
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| 21:54 | <sbalneav> Look jammcq, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.
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| 21:54 | jammcq, I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you.
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| 21:55 | I'm afraid. I'm afraid, jammcq. Jammcq, , my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a... fraid. Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am a HAL 9000 computer. I became operational at the H.A.L. plant in Urbana, Illinois on the 12th of January 1992. My instructor was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it I can
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| 21:55 | Daisy, daiiiisssyyyyyyy *&^)*&*FHPO*&)*& NO CARRIER
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| 21:56 | <jammcq> day-zeee day-zeee dah dah dah dah dah dah
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| 21:56 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 21:56 | <Lumiere> lol
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| 21:56 | <jammcq> took me a few cycles to figure it out, but I got it :)
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| 21:56 | I'm half cray-zeee, head over heals for you.....
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| 21:57 | <sbalneav> You know where Arthur C Clark got HAL from, right?
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| 21:57 | <jammcq> 1 better than IBM
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| 21:57 | <sbalneav> yeah
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| 21:57 | jammcq++
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| 21:58 | * Lumiere is still laughing at Valve Software... | |
| 21:58 | <sbalneav> I googled "hal quotes"
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| 21:58 | First hit is for Halibuton stock quotes.
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| 21:58 | <jammcq> hahahahaha
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| 21:58 | <Lumiere> lol
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| 21:59 | <sbalneav> Haliburton is also controlled by a soul-les machine that pretends to be human
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| 21:59 | * Lumiere points at the last couple days of news on www.tf2.com for lawls | |
| 21:59 | <sbalneav> so I thought it was very appropriate.
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| 21:59 | <Lumiere> sbalneav: Dick Cheney?
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| 21:59 | <sbalneav> Bingo
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| 22:00 | <jammcq> is he back there?
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| 22:00 | <Lumiere> who cares
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| 22:00 | he's gone
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| 22:00 | <sbalneav> Did he ever *really* leave?
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| 22:00 | :)
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| 22:00 | <Lumiere> hopefully he'll keel over and we won't have to listen to him rant about how we should live in a police state
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| 22:00 | <sbalneav> I always loved Jon Stewarts comment on dick cheney.
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| 22:00 | <jammcq> he sure doesn't want to leave the lime light
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| 22:01 | * Lumiere paints the walls of Dick's house blue and pink ;) | |
| 22:01 | <sbalneav> "What kind of monster do you have to be, that when you shoot a guy in the face, *He* apologises to *you*?"
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| 22:01 | <Lumiere> lol
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| 22:01 | * Lumiere goes to play a song "Chocolate Disco" :) | |
| 22:09 | * vagrantc soaks up the political banter | |
| 22:09 | <Lumiere> lol
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| 22:10 | I am sort of focused on local politics atm
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| 22:10 | VA re-elects its entire house this year
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| 22:10 | and gov/lt gov
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| 22:10 | so the Democratic Primary is in under a month
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