IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 16 June 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:02 | <nsar> hello
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| 03:02 | <str4nd> hei
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| 03:02 | *hi :)
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| 03:02 | <nsar> hi
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| 04:56 | <yigal> hi guys, I am back with a secondary netwrok card
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| 04:57 | i just dont know how to find it's location in rom-o-matic, since there are several entries with same chipset
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| 04:57 | with hexa numbers. Any idea how to chose the right hexa entry?
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| 04:59 | this pc has not ethernet boot option, so I must prpare a diskette, to make it a thin client
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| 05:13 | <yigal> any one with rom-o-matic knowledge?
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| 05:16 | <dan__t> lspci?
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| 05:39 | <yigal_> hi guys - need help with ROM-O-Matic for a network card. Any help would be appreciated
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| 06:07 | <cliebow> yigal_, :whata card?
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| 06:09 | can you run a live cd...do lspci -vv and get the busid..then do lspci -n and get the device id..
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| 06:09 | use that to see if there is an etherboot image for it
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| 06:53 | <yigal_> the chip is RTL8139D
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| 06:53 | there are several entries in romatic. how can i tell which one?
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| 06:59 | <yigal_> i may have solved the problem... i have chosen one entry and i have some activity when I power up
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| 07:01 | now i need help to configure the server
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| 07:01 | how do i tell the server to use the 2nd NIC and to boot the client?
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| 07:10 | <cliebow> turn off thed onbord in the bios?
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| 07:11 | you have a default dhcpd.conf? we dont even know what distro you have..
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| 07:13 | <yigal_> ok... here it is:
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| 07:13 | <cliebow> dont paste long
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| 07:13 | <vagrantc> yigal_: pastebot please
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| 07:13 | !pastebot
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| 07:13 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 07:13 | <cliebow> use the past...heh
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| 07:15 | <cliebow> reminds me of a sailboat race i watched..
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| 07:16 | <ltsppbot> "yigal" pasted "Client server status" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/178
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| 07:17 | <cliebow> ok..what network is your internal card? 192.168.0?
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| 07:18 | <yigal_> how can i tell that?
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| 07:18 | <cliebow> ifconfig:im guessing you are new so we'll try to be patient
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| 07:19 | lets just see if dhcp is running with netstat -anp|grep ":67"
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| 07:20 | <yigal_> bash:ipconfig: command npt found
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| 07:21 | oops, hold
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| 07:21 | <cliebow> heh
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| 07:21 | <vagrantc> ifconfig
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| 07:23 | <yigal_> ifconfig returns many lines, cant copy them all. ifconfig:im returns command not found
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| 07:23 | <vagrantc> ifconfig | egrep ^eth
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| 07:24 | <vagrantc> ifconfig | egrep -A 1 ^eth
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| 07:26 | <cliebow> sorry about that
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| 07:28 | yigal_, that is a "pipe" symbol between ifconfig and egrep
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| 07:41 | <ltsppbot> "Yigal" pasted "set up server" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/179
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| 07:53 | "yigal" pasted "set up server" (40 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/180
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| 07:54 | <yigal_> all info in pastebot
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| 08:05 | <ltsppbot> "yigal" pasted "now with nstat as well" (49 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/181
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| 09:06 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:07 | <yigal_> morning
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| 09:08 | * vagrantc does the new ltsp and ltspfs packages in debian/unstable dance | |
| 09:09 | <sbalneav> hey vagrantc, here's a conundrum for you
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| 09:10 | ever seen this one before? With the new LDM, I log into X,everything looks fine, but when I start typing, it's OK until I hit the enter key...
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| 09:10 | Then the enter key "sticks", and keeps being presses.
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| 09:10 | pressed sorry.
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| 09:11 | If I ctl-alt-f1 to a text console, it;s ok, and if I ctl-alt back to X, it's stopped.
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| 09:11 | Wierd, huh?
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| 09:12 | <vagrantc> ouch
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| 09:12 | this is with your ldm c rewrite ?
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| 09:12 | <sbalneav> yeah.
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| 09:13 | Now, I should try it with a stock chroot.
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| 09:13 | <vagrantc> this brings some really old hazy memories back ...
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| 09:13 | <sbalneav> since Xorgs been updated, it may be an xorg thing.
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| 09:13 | <vagrantc> but not really in clarity
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| 09:13 | <sbalneav> I vaguely remember some other people complaining of this before too.
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| 09:18 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> sbalneav: hi
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| 09:18 | <sbalneav> hello kaminski-ltsp-br
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| 09:31 | <cottima> I might miss understand how ltsp works, but it sends gui over network. does it send X?
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| 09:31 | <sbalneav> cottima: yes
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| 09:33 | <cottima> (I have 10 mostly 225MHz+ 128MBram 2GBhdd machines) and if the machine has enough power, is there a way to have some of the resources on the client used to relieve the server a little?
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| 09:34 | <sbalneav> You asked this the other day.
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| 09:34 | I answered it.
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| 09:34 | <vagrantc> cottima: there is no way out of the box. it is certainly possible, but a lot of work.
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| 09:34 | <cottima> I did I am tired. Sorry!
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| 09:36 | I am nervous. Never have done anything worth while with Linux and am think of all the things the system needs like a content filter and locking down a user. I have only been using Linux as a desktop. I am sorry and always thankful for help.
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| 09:39 | Have a nice day everyone. I will see you later and next time after reading several docs.
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| 09:39 | bye
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| 09:51 | <sbalneav> Back on later
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| 09:59 | <Lossie> local drives howto anyone?
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| 10:21 | <vagrantc> Lossie: what linux distro?
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| 10:31 | <yigal_> hi guys, I need more help to define the server in Ubuntu. I have two NICs installed, and you can see the results in: http://pastebot.ltsp.org/180
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| 10:39 | <Lossie> ubuntu
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| 10:40 | vagrantc: Ubuntu Feisty
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| 10:41 | this is what i have so far
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| 10:41 | LOCAL_STORAGE=Y
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| 10:41 | LOCAL_DEVICE_01=/dev/sda:usb
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| 10:41 | HOTPLUG=Y
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| 10:41 | in lts.conf
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| 10:42 | what needs to be done on the server side
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| 10:42 | how do i get it automounted?
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| 10:45 | <ogra> Lossie, you wont gain anything with these ltsp 4 settings :) try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices
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| 10:48 | drop all that stuff from your lts.conf
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| 10:51 | <Lossie> ogra, it's these kind of manuals need that i cound't find wile googling, thx
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| 10:52 | Going for reboot *crossing fingers*
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| 10:58 | <Lossie> well what do you know it works
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| 10:58 | thx
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| 10:59 | <ogra> :)
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| 11:00 | <wpgmb_> hi.. I'm about to install edubuntu and was wondering.. Will there be an option to use lvm in the drive partitioning setup so I can use multiple drives for /home?
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| 11:00 | <ogra> there should be, yes
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| 11:01 | <wpgmb_> and that doesn't cause any known issues with assigning clients their own piece of the pie?
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| 11:01 | <ogra> ??
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| 11:01 | clients boot from a readonly exported chroot from /opt/ltsp
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| 11:02 | thats the only connection to any disk they have
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| 11:03 | so no, you dont assign any pieces to any clients, so there are no issues :)
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| 11:03 | <wpgmb_> sorry. my bad.. what I meant was, if I run out of space later on /home, can I add / exchange drives for /home without any issues?
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| 11:03 | <ogra> i'm not an lvm user, but isnt that the prupose of it ?
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| 11:04 | so i'd guess so
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| 11:04 | <vagrantc> wpgmb_: if you leave some space free, it's easy to add space. it's harder to shrink filesystems
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| 11:04 | <vagrantc> wpgmb_: if you make a bigger than you need swap on lvm, it's easy to resize swap
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| 11:05 | * ogra doesnt manage to get sbalnevs ldm working :( | |
| 11:05 | <wpgmb_> It is. I just wanted to know if there are any know issues with using lvm in combination with edubuntu server. You've answered my question - and like everything else, try and learn, right?
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| 11:06 | I have two 9G Scsi's lying around I'd like to use for /, /var /tmp etc and use two 80G IDE drives for /home using lvm - that's why I asked
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| 11:09 | <yigal_> hi... i need help with configuring Server-thin client, with Ubuntu 7.04.
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| 11:16 | <wpgmb_> yigal: I may not be the one able to help you, but I suggest you post your question :o)
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| 11:22 | <yigal_> thanks. I did post, made some progress today, but again I am at a dead end. I keep reading documents, but I guess I am a too dummy to use them.
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| 11:25 | <ogra> !ubuntu
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| 11:25 | <ltspbot> ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 11:25 | <ogra> yigal_, just follow the wuick install guide
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| 11:25 | *quick
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| 11:30 | <yigal_> i wish it was as simple as that. I followed different guides. None is going the simple way: what do I have to do with a Ubuntu 7.04 in order to set it up at the server. Most guides are for older versions. I know I am doing something wrong, but after 3 days of reading the "go rtfm" material I need help or to abort the story. I still wonder if thin client is a rocket science.
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| 11:32 | <ogra> if you folow the guide step by step on a clean ubuntu it will work out of the box
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| 11:34 | <yigal_> I was thinking the same, but it didn't. Thanks any way.
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| 11:34 | <ogra> make sure to have one static interface with the ip 192.168.0.1, install ltsp-server-standalone and openssh-server ... run sudo ltsp-build-client, boot your clients ...
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| 11:35 | <yigal_> I did all the above
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| 11:35 | <ogra> on a clean ubuntu ?
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| 11:35 | i.e. you didnt fiddle with other ltsp implementations that tweak settings ?
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| 11:35 | <sbalneav> hey, ogra!
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| 11:35 | <ogra> !s
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| 11:36 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 11:36 | <sbalneav> Got a second?
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| 11:36 | <ogra> sbalneav, i cant get your ldm to work at all
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| 11:36 | :(
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| 11:36 | <sbalneav> No?
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| 11:36 | <ogra> no
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| 11:36 | <sbalneav> does it call up the greeter?
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| 11:36 | <ogra> your quoting of the command seems very strange as well
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| 11:36 | yes
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| 11:36 | but it doesnt let me in
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| 11:36 | and apparently something breaks ssh completely, i cant ssh from commandline either
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| 11:37 | <sbalneav> hmm
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| 11:37 | Well, when I ssh in, you see I set the "LANG=C"
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| 11:37 | <ogra> also fgets commands wont get through the security review, we'll need proper forking
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| 11:38 | <sbalneav> fgets, or popen?
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| 11:38 | <yigal_> it was an ubuntu upgrade from 6.04 to 6.10 and then 7.04. I just today added the 2nd NIC.
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| 11:38 | <ogra> both
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| 11:38 | <sbalneav> yeah, that's just a quicky
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| 11:38 | <ogra> forking and reading from raw fd's ...
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| 11:38 | just a side comment ...
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| 11:38 | <sbalneav> I'll do that once we get it working :)
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| 11:38 | <ogra> i know its a prototype ;)
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| 11:39 | <sbalneav> hmm, wonder what you're seeing on the ssh fd.
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| 11:39 | <ogra> i'm not near ay cient atm :/
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| 11:39 | *client
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| 11:40 | <sbalneav> I'll add some code to dump the expect strings to tty2
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| 11:40 | <ogra> i see it complaining abut ssh-askpass on the X screen though
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| 11:40 | <sbalneav> that way you can control-alt-f2, and see what the program thinks it's seeing
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| 11:40 | <ogra> (if the greeter diesd)
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| 11:40 | <sbalneav> Never seen that.
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| 11:41 | <ogra> yeah, you dropped ldm.log :) that made debugging somewhat reasier :)
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| 11:41 | *easier
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| 11:41 | <sbalneav> well, the idea was to log to syslog, but for me, the syslog is REALLY slow
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| 11:41 | it only posts one line per second from the client.
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| 11:41 | <ogra> if i install ssh-askpass-gnome i get a second passphrase question after the greeter and then a dbus error in the session
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| 11:42 | yeah, something is not right wih syslog, i noticed that as well
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| 11:42 | <sbalneav> You shouldn't need ssh-askpass
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| 11:42 | <ogra> right
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| 11:42 | <sbalneav> here's the problem I'm having
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| 11:42 | <ogra> i see the sentinel message
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| 11:42 | btw ...
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| 11:43 | <sbalneav> oh, so when you're logged in on the server, if you do a ps -ef you see the echo LTSPROCKS ; bash -?
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| 11:43 | <ogra> no it doesnt get there
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| 11:43 | <sbalneav> oh, ok
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| 11:43 | <ogra> the connection dies earlier
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| 11:44 | <sbalneav> Once I get logged in, things work fine.
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| 11:44 | except the keyboard
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| 11:44 | <ogra> check accessibility options
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| 11:44 | <sbalneav> wwwwhhhhhhiiiiiccccchhhhhhhhh reeeepeeeeeaaaattssssss keeeeyyyysss liiiikkeee craaazyyyy
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| 11:44 | <ogra> and the gnome keyboard settings
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| 11:44 | <sbalneav> oh, is that it?
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| 11:44 | <ogra> it might be caused by not using an xorg.conf
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| 11:45 | <sbalneav> That was what I was wondering. But I'll check the accessibility options.
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| 11:45 | Where do we want the ldm.log?
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| 11:45 | <ogra> set CONFIGURE_X=True in lts.conf to force X detection
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| 11:45 | we had it on the client in /var/log before
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| 11:45 | <sbalneav> in /tmp, or /var/run?
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| 11:46 | ah, duh
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| 11:46 | * sbalneav slaps forhead | |
| 11:46 | <sbalneav> gimme 15 minutes, I'll hack in some logging
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| 11:46 | <ogra> well, using syslog would be better indeed
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| 11:46 | <sbalneav> right.
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| 11:46 | <ogra> but as it is it will only slow down i guess
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| 11:46 | <sbalneav> But until we get that fixed, this is workable.
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| 11:46 | <ogra> i'll have to dig into that
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| 11:46 | <sbalneav> meh, l8ter :)
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| 11:47 | I wanna see you get logged in.
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| 11:47 | <ogra> yep
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| 11:47 | well, im not near a client atm ... and susie started cleaning the house throwing angry looks ...
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| 11:47 | i guess i should soon start helping :)
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| 11:47 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 11:47 | I gotta do some housework soon too.
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| 11:48 | But, I'll get this in first, and push it. Have a look at it later today if you can.
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| 11:48 | But help Suzie first. :)
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| 11:48 | <ogra> we might have guests the next 100 days :)
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| 11:48 | <sbalneav> Tell her your Canadian Friend says hi :)
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| 11:48 | <ogra> http://documenta.de/geschichte0.html?&L=1
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| 11:49 | <sbalneav> Whassat?
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| 11:49 | <wpgmb_> sbalneav: it's (all about) art - or is it art? :o)
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| 11:49 | <ogra> one of the biggest art exhibitions worldwide ...
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| 11:49 | <sbalneav> Cool
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| 11:50 | <ogra> using the whole city for sculptures etc for 100 days
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| 11:50 | the only intresting thing this boring city has :)
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| 11:52 | <wpgmb_> ogra: so - you inviting us all Canucks, sending free airline tix and all?
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| 11:52 | <ogra> haha
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| 11:52 | <wpgmb_> (I tried..)
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| 11:52 | <ogra> i wish i'd be so rich :)
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| 11:52 | (i would though :) )
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| 11:53 | <wpgmb_> It's been faaaar too long since I enjoyed a cool, European beer... *snif*
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| 11:55 | Q for all... I have two SCSI's - a 9G and a 2G, and then two 80G IDE's... Would the 9 + 2 be sufficient to hold the / and swap for Edubuntu, if I want to dedicate the two 80G's for /home (using LVM)?
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| 11:56 | addendum: I have 1G RAM, was thinking to use the 2G SCSI for swap.. is that overkill?
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| 12:04 | ok... let me ask a different way.. is the amount of /var space dependent on the number of clients?
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| 12:05 | <sbalneav> No
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| 12:06 | ogra: ok, logging added
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| 12:06 | pushing
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| 12:07 | Off for a bit to do some housework.
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| 12:08 | <wpgmb_> sbalneav: thx. back to my earlier question: will 9G be sufficient for a complete Edubuntu w/ LTSP install?
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| 12:10 | <Santo_pendorchoo> buenas
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| 12:10 | alguien de habla hispana
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| 12:16 | quiero montar un cybercafe , con 20 pc un entre 120 y 233 mhz con 32 ram y disco de 300 mb, y como servidor un athlon 2000 con 1 gb de ram
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| 12:18 | <wpgmb_> I don't speak Spanish, but so far, I understand what you said
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| 12:21 | <Santo_pendorchoo> ok im not speak english, but so far, i understand you said
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| 12:22 | i need create ltsp server for cybercoffee
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| 12:22 | <wpgmb_> comprende
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| 12:22 | <Santo_pendorchoo> i have 12 old pc and 1 pc with server
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| 12:23 | <wpgmb_> yes
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| 12:24 | <Santo_pendorchoo> i have cable modem conect to router , conect to switch
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| 12:24 | for internet
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| 12:24 | <wpgmb_> ok
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| 12:24 | <Santo_pendorchoo> and switch conect all pc
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| 12:24 | <wpgmb_> ok
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| 12:25 | <Santo_pendorchoo> no need dhcp-server
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| 12:25 | <wpgmb_> how do the client pc's get their IP address?
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| 12:25 | <Santo_pendorchoo> router work dhcp
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| 12:25 | <wpgmb_> ok
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| 12:26 | which linux for ltsp?
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| 12:26 | <Santo_pendorchoo> i use ubuntu 7.04 como server
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| 12:26 | <wpgmb_> ok
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| 12:26 | server has static IP?
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| 12:27 | <Santo_pendorchoo> yes
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| 12:27 | <wpgmb_> what is the problem?
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| 12:27 | <Santo_pendorchoo> equal to the client
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| 12:27 | <wpgmb_> clients also have static IP's - ok
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| 12:27 | what is the problem??
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| 12:27 | <Santo_pendorchoo> yes
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| 12:28 | what need config ltsp server
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| 12:28 | have apt-get install ltsp-server
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| 12:28 | <wpgmb_> Edubuntu has the option to install LTSP right from the start
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| 12:29 | no need to install later
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| 12:29 | <Santo_pendorchoo> si ya se
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| 12:29 | but install ubuntu
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| 12:29 | installed
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| 12:30 | <wpgmb_> So - you have Ubuntu installed, and would like to add LTSP?
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| 12:30 | <Santo_pendorchoo> yes
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| 12:31 | <wpgmb_> what is the problem?
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| 12:31 | <Santo_pendorchoo> installed ltsp a traves de apt-get instal ltsp-server packages debian
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| 12:32 | <wpgmb_> which version of LTSP did you get?
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| 12:32 | <Santo_pendorchoo> my problem is config ltps server
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| 12:32 | <Santo_pendorchoo> 5.07
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| 12:32 | <wpgmb_> ok
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| 12:32 | <Santo_pendorchoo> so?
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| 12:33 | <wpgmb_> I'm not sure about the options when LTSP is installed later.. but I do know that if you install Edubuntu, LTSP has basic configuration files already, that might be useful
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| 12:34 | see if you can find sample config files on the Internet.
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| 12:35 | <Santo_pendorchoo> yes but host.allows and other files config not understand
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| 12:35 | step by step
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| 12:36 | <wpgmb_> I can't help you there. Sorry.
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| 12:36 | <Santo_pendorchoo> ok
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| 12:36 | so you think you can tell Heaven from Hell,
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| 12:36 | blue skies from pain
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| 12:37 | thank wpgmb_
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| 12:37 | <wpgmb_> http://www.geocities.com/hammerjw/ltsp-basic_security.html go down to No. 4
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| 12:37 | <Santo_pendorchoo> handshake from argentina
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| 13:02 | <vagrantc> ogra: so, we got ltsp packages out of the NEW queue today ... but jvw wanted us to improve the package descriptions...
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| 13:20 | <yigal_> hi Cliebow, have time to continue ramping up my server?
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| 13:23 | <lambda> vagrantc, it appears ltsp_5.0.8debian2/debian/doc is rather slim
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| 13:24 | * lambda wonder why writting doc is so fastidious ... | |
| 13:24 | <wpgmb_> I'm attempting to install Edubuntu 7 as an LTSP server. Do I need to add special parameters to the kernel for it to see scsi drives? Only the IDE drives in the system are seen in the partioner
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| 13:24 | <vagrantc> lambda: well, please write some :P
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| 13:25 | lambda: if you ask me questions, and turn it into documentation, i would be thrilled.
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| 13:30 | <lambda> vagrantc, I'm accustomed to ltsp-4.1 and have already participate to the french translation ( http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-fr.html )
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| 13:30 | My LUG is fond of ltsp technology
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| 13:32 | <vagrantc> lambda: well, start adding content to http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP ... or wiki.ltsp.org ... and we'll pull content into the package
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| 13:37 | * lambda planed to install the freshly upgraded debian-edu-amd64-i386-powerpc-DVD-1.iso this evening ... | |
| 13:37 | <vagrantc> lambda: there's also a lot of relevent content on ubuntu's wiki ... though some of it is a bit different
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| 13:37 | lambda: debian-edu is using an older ltsp version, mind you.
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| 13:38 | lambda: it should work with the newer packages, but i'm not certain
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| 13:55 | <lambda> vagrantc, Do I write it in hurry ?
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| 13:57 | <vagrantc> lambda: write it whenever you want :)
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| 13:57 | <wpgmb_> Question: when using the guided partioner using LVM, the system hangs at 60% during "computing the new partitions..." Am I doing someting wrong?
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| 13:58 | oh no... wait.. it's just veeeeeery slooooow...
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| 14:00 | <lambda> vagrantc, from 18 monday evening will I have more time to dedicate ; be sure I will do my best :)
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> Burgundavia: how's things goin in canananadia ?
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| 14:17 | <Burgundavia> not bad
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| 14:17 | the unemployment thing sucks though
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| 14:28 | * kaminski-ltsp-br is back | |
| 14:34 | <vagrantc> Burgundavia: yeah, i'm acquanted with unemployment myself :)
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| 14:35 | <Burgundavia> vagrantc: when does your job start?
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| 14:36 | <vagrantc> Burgundavia: good question
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| 14:43 | <jammcq> hello
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| 14:44 | <vagrantc> http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/ltsp/news/20070616T135048Z.html
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| 14:44 | yay!
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| 14:45 | and http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/ltspfs/news/20070615T213208Z.html
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| 14:58 | <Yigal> Hi Guys. I need help to ramp up Server-thin clinet based on Ubuntu 7.04. This computer I am using now will be the server. It has 2 NICs - one to the internet, and one to a client, which tries to get IP for some hours now. Can someone help me to config the server? I read many documents, nothing helped. My deadline is Monday.
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| 15:00 | <jasonrsmit1> Yigal, did you run the apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone command to install ltsp?
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| 15:00 | <Yigal> yes
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| 15:01 | <jasonrsmit1> did you change the IP address from the default on eth1?
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| 15:02 | <Yigal> and also the yes, but I am not sure I did it correctly. eth1 is theone connected to the client, I gave it 192.168.0.254, no gateway
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| 15:02 | yes, but I am not sure I did it correctly. eth1 is theone connected to the client, I gave it 192.168.0.254, no gateway
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| 15:03 | <jasonrsmit1> ok, then you need to check /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and make sure it's set up for the right IP address
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| 15:03 | there's a good howto at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ThinClientHowto
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> Yigal: use 192.168.0.1 for the server
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| 15:03 | ubuntu, right ?
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| 15:04 | <Yigal> yes, ubuntu 7.04
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| 15:04 | <vagrantc> 192.168.0.1
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| 15:04 | <jasonrsmit1> yes, but which address do you have eth1 set to: 192.168.0.1 or 192.168.0.254 ?
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| 15:05 | <Yigal> now i changed it to 192.168.0.1 as advised. it was 254 before
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| 15:06 | <vagrantc> try again
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| 15:06 | <wpgmb_> Question: If I choose to implement LVM - at what point will the installer let me assign a mountpoint to the LV's? I think this is broken in the installer -unless I'm missing something
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> wpgmb_: if this is edubuntu, you should probably ask in the #edubuntu channel
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| 15:07 | it really doesn't have anything to do with LTSP ...
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| 15:07 | <wpgmb_> 'k
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| 15:08 | <Yigal> still "NO IP address"
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| 15:09 | <vagrantc> Yigal: could you post /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to the pastebot ?
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| 15:09 | <Yigal> i work on it now
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| 15:09 | <jasonrsmit1> yigal, how do you have the client hooked up? direct with a crossover cable or with a hub/switch
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| 15:10 | <ltsppbot> "Yigal" pasted "thin client" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/182
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| 15:11 | <Yigal> switch
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> Yigal: egrep -i dhcp /var/log/syslog
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| 15:11 | Yigal: paste it to the pastebot please
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| 15:12 | Yigal: egrep -i dhcpd /var/log/syslog
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| 15:14 | <ltsppbot> "Yigal" pasted "thin client" (294 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/183
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| 15:15 | <vagrantc> Yigal: looks like you might have troubles with eth2
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| 15:16 | <Yigal> you mean with the hardware?
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> something ...
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| 15:16 | ah
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| 15:16 | network manager
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| 15:16 | maybe that's causing problems ...
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| 15:17 | <Burgundavia> networkmanager cannot have two active network cards
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| 15:17 | that is your problem
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| 15:17 | <vagrantc> Yigal: it looks like you have eth0, eth1 and eth2 ... how many cards do you think you have ?
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| 15:17 | <Yigal> only two
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| 15:17 | eth0 and eth2
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| 15:18 | <vagrantc> i see a lot of: Jun 16 07:57:47 localhost dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8
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| 15:18 | <Yigal> I see only eth0 and eth2 in the network controller software
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| 15:18 | <vagrantc> but sounds like network-manager will be a big problem
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| 15:19 | <Yigal> but this is why we have nework manager for, right?
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| 15:19 | * vagrantc does the network-manager should conflict with ltsp dance | |
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> well, network-manager is for automatically managing your network settings ... and not currently smart enough to handle LTSP environments by default
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| 15:20 | * vagrantc leaves it up to others what to do from here | |
| 15:21 | <Yigal> hmmm, who are the others? since if this like in "lost" ........
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| 15:22 | <Burgundavia> network manager cannot currently support have more than 1 active network interface
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| 15:22 | you need to remove NM and then manually configure the interfaces via /etc/network/interfaces
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| 15:23 | <Yigal> are you 100% sure? 2 NICs is not suppose to be an issue with a mature OS. It's even described in the manuals as recommended way with Server
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| 15:23 | <Burgundavia> yes, completely certain
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| 15:24 | the issue is not the base Ubuntu, it is NetworkManager
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| 15:24 | Ubuntu, sans NM, can handle as many nics as you want. NM cannot (yet)
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| 15:25 | <Yigal> i see. So if I need to have two NICs, and I know their IPs, can you guide me with removing NM and setting it up?
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| 15:25 | <Burgundavia> yep
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| 15:26 | sudo apt-get remove network-manager
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| 15:26 | <Yigal> will it kill the networking? this is the same machine I use now to yype
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| 15:26 | type
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| 15:27 | <Burgundavia> yes, it will
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| 15:27 | before you do that, lets make certain you can get back online
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| 15:27 | ok
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| 15:28 | for the network card that is connected to the outside, you need the following:
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| 15:28 | <Yigal> ok, let me first rampup the other Ubuntu machine (on vmware, will take a sec
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| 15:28 | <Burgundavia> auto eth0
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| 15:28 | <Yigal> wait please
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| 15:28 | <Burgundavia> iface eth0 inet dhcp
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| 15:30 | <yigal_> ok... i am set here. please lead me
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| 15:31 | <Burgundavia> ok
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| 15:31 | which nic faces the internet and which faces the thin client?
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| 15:32 | <Lossie> is beryl possible in ltsp or shouldn't i even try?
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| 15:32 | <yigal_> removing NM now. Eth0 - internet. Eth1 or 2 goes to the client
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| 15:33 | NM removed
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| 15:33 | <Burgundavia> okl
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| 15:33 | so in /etc/network/interfaces
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| 15:33 | eth0 should be the following:
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| 15:34 | auto eth0
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| 15:34 | iface eth0 inet dhcp
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| 15:35 | <yigal_> it is so
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| 15:35 | no.. wait .... mistake
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| 15:36 | 3rd line ends with "static" because I wanted the router to know that pc
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| 15:36 | ip given: 192.168.2. 109
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| 15:37 | <Burgundavia> ahh, op
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| 15:37 | ok
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| 15:37 | then set it as:
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| 15:37 | iface eth0 inet static
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| 15:37 | <Burgundavia> address XX.XXX.XXX.XXX
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| 15:37 | netmask XXX.XXXX.XXX.XXX
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| 15:37 | gateway XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX
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| 15:38 | <yigal_> with real numbers? it is.
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| 15:39 | <Burgundavia> yes
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| 15:40 | ok
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| 15:40 | ok, for the next one, duplicate that, but with eth1
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| 15:40 | <ltsppbot> "Yigal" pasted "/etc...." (23 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/184
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| 15:41 | <yigal_> here is the content of that file
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| 15:43 | I think i see were Eth2 comes from..... that's a bug, right?
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| 15:44 | <Burgundavia> yep
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| 15:44 | <yigal_> what next? delete eth2 line?
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| 15:46 | <Burgundavia> yep, delete that
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| 15:46 | then try and bring up eth1
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| 15:46 | <yigal_> How do I comment a line? with a #?
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| 15:47 | and how to "bring up"? just by saving the file?
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| 15:48 | <Burgundavia> sudo ifup eth1
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| 15:50 | <ltsppbot> "Yigal" pasted "/etc...." (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/185
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| 15:50 | <yigal_> failed
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| 15:51 | <Burgundavia> ok
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| 15:51 | it is not finding your second network card
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| 15:53 | <yigal_> i see. the leds are lighting there, and so in the switch side, so I think the hardware is oK, I can replace the NIC tomorow if no other option left
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| 15:55 | <ogra_> Burgundavia, ???
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| 15:55 | why did you remove him NM ?
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| 15:56 | <yigal_> because I have two NICs, and he said Ubuntu can handle only one with NM
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| 15:56 | <ogra_> no
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| 15:56 | thats wrong
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| 15:56 | did you follow my advise from some hours ago ?
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| 15:56 | <yigal_> i think so, remind me what was it
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| 15:57 | <ogra_> told you the ip you have to use, the packages you have to install and the one command you need to run
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| 15:57 | did you do all of this ?
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| 15:57 | <yigal_> yes
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| 15:58 | <ogra_> ok, paste the output of ifconfig -a and your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to the pastebot
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| 15:58 | !pastebot
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| 15:58 | <ltspbot> ogra_: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 15:59 | <ltsppbot> "Yigal" pasted "thin client" (31 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/186
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| 15:59 | <sbalneav> Hey
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| 15:59 | Back
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| 16:00 | <ogra_> Yigal, ok, that looks fine so far, show me your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 16:01 | <ltsppbot> "Yigal" pasted "thin client" (18 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/187
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| 16:01 | <ogra_> do you have a working internet connection on the server ?
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| 16:01 | <yigal_> yes, so far I do
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| 16:02 | <ogra_> the networks are separated ? i.e. you dont have both NICs connected to the same switch or so
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| 16:02 | <yigal_> eth0 ic connected to the home router and to the world. Eth1 is connected to a switch, and the client is also connected to that switch.
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| 16:03 | so yes - they are separated
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| 16:03 | <ogra_> you mean eth2 :)
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| 16:03 | (at least according to what your kernel thinks :) )
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| 16:03 | ok, the dhcp and interface stuff looks good
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| 16:03 | is your dhcpd running ?
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| 16:04 | <yigal_> i think so. how can i tell?
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| 16:04 | <ogra_> ps ax|grep dhcpd
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| 16:04 | shoudl give you someathing like:
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| 16:04 | /usr/sbin/dhcpd3 -q -pf /var/run/dhcp3-server/dhcpd.pid -cf /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 16:04 | *something
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| 16:05 | <ltsppbot> "Yigal" pasted "dhcpd" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/188
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| 16:06 | <ogra_> ok, fine
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| 16:06 | so how far does your boot get ?
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| 16:06 | if you start a client ...
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| 16:07 | <yigal_> the client? it search for IP and doesnt find any
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| 16:07 | <vagrantc> when yigal_ posted parts of syslog, it looked like the server gave DHCPOFFERs but the client didn't see them
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| 16:08 | <ogra_> sounds like a HW issue ...
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| 16:08 | what kind of switch is that ?
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| 16:08 | manageable ?
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| 16:09 | <yigal_> i dont know.. its a 24 port switching hub,,, large one
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| 16:09 | <sbalneav> yigal_: Got a crossover cable?
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| 16:09 | <yigal_> not here, i wish
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| 16:10 | but i have another idea before we blame the switch
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| 16:11 | the NIC in the client is RTL, and when I used ROMATIC i chosed one RTL entry out of few. Could it be it's the wrong one? how can i tell the right one?
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| 16:11 | <ogra_> oh, indeed
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| 16:11 | <sbalneav> yigal_: You have to know what kind of card you have.
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| 16:11 | <ogra_> next time tell first that you use etherboot :)
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| 16:12 | <vagrantc> !bootfloppy
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| 16:12 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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| 16:12 | <yigal_> the chipset had RTL8139D on it
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| 16:12 | <vagrantc> that floppy should be able to figure out which image to use
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| 16:12 | * ogra_ was asuming PXE | |
| 16:13 | <sbalneav> ogra_: I fixed up a couple more things on ldm2
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| 16:13 | <ogra_> oh, cool
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| 16:13 | i wont do much anymore today
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| 16:13 | <sbalneav> Did you try it after I gave you the logging patch?
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| 16:13 | <ogra_> during house cleaning i came to nearto one of my crappy playaround servers ...
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| 16:13 | <vagrantc> ogra_: debian has newer ltspfs packages than ubuntu :P
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| 16:13 | <ogra_> one of thse things with open case and more Hds than they use ...
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| 16:14 | one of the HDs has a loose power plug .. i wanted to look why and indeed didnt switch off the pc ...
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| 16:14 | was a nice spark :)
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| 16:14 | <sbalneav> zap
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| 16:14 | <ogra_> sadly it seems i grounded half my network ... only one of three WLAN routes survived
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| 16:15 | <vagrantc> ouch
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| 16:15 | <ogra_> and only two of five switches
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| 16:15 | at least the calbles arent fried :)
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| 16:16 | * ogra_ looks forward to go shopping on monday :D new hardware ! :) | |
| 16:16 | <Burgundavia> ogra_: what are you going to be getting?
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| 16:16 | <sbalneav> Did you try the patched ldm2 I uploaded? I'm interested to know if the reason why you can't log in is because something's igoring the LANG=C and giving you german prompts.
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| 16:16 | <ogra_> new switches and wlan routers
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| 16:17 | sbalneav, unlikely
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| 16:17 | i see a "wrong password" message in auth log
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| 16:17 | so it attempts to send something
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| 16:17 | <Burgundavia> very cool
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| 16:18 | <Yigal> ok guys, i will generate new diskette and hope it will work out. Thanks so far.
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| 16:18 | <sbalneav> ogra_: btw, must have been something with gnome keyboard.
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| 16:18 | I blew away my .gnome settings, and now the keyboard's fine
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| 16:19 | localdev works
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| 16:19 | sound works
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| 16:19 | it honours the DIRECTX lts.conf parm
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| 16:20 | and, plus, with an Idea that I've come up with, we'll eliminate the delayed-mounter daemon.
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| 16:20 | so I'm pretty happy with how this is working out.
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| 16:20 | next, I need to start hacking the greeter to handle a conversation.
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| 16:21 | but at this point, I think it's fairly close to being a drop-in replacement for ldm
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| 16:21 | so phase 2 will be adding the cool stuff we want.
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| 16:22 | <sbalneav> whoops
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| 16:22 | spoke too soon on the keyboard
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| 16:22 | crumb
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| 16:25 | Hm, gonna try it with CONFIGURE_X = True
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| 16:31 | <ogra_> yeah
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| 16:31 | <sbalneav> Hmm
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| 16:31 | <ogra_> i'm pondering to write my own X detetor
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| 16:31 | <sbalneav> still mucks up
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| 16:31 | <ogra_> *detector
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| 16:31 | <sbalneav> Man, this is annoying.
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| 16:31 | <ogra_> are you sure its not the keyboard ?
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| 16:32 | <sbalneav> Positive,
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| 16:32 | I've tried 3 known good ones.
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| 16:32 | Plus, it DOESN'T do it on one of the ttys
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| 16:32 | only in X
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| 16:32 | <ogra_> weird
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| 16:32 | <sbalneav> You're not kidding.
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| 16:32 | <ogra_> not even with X config ?
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| 16:32 | <sbalneav> still does it.
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| 16:33 | it's been a couple of days since I updated my chroot.
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| 16:33 | Maybe it's an X bug
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| 16:33 | there's bugs for it in launchpad.
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| 16:34 | <vagrantc> night all
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| 16:40 | <ogra_> ah, indeed tha could be
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| 16:40 | <sbalneav> hmm, well, a libc6 update
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| 16:40 | nothing major
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| 16:41 | <ogra_> night all
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| 16:42 | sbalneav, i'll test the laest canges tomorrow .. if i get it working here, we'll have it as default on monday ;)
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| 16:42 | * ogra_ waves | |
| 16:42 | <sbalneav> k
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| 18:28 | <jamie> any on help trying to make each of my clients auto log into a different user account?
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| 18:44 | <jamie> any on help trying to make each of my clients auto log into a different user account?
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| 19:04 | <jamie> ok any any on know how to make different clients use a different gdm.conf?
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