IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 14 September 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <sbalneav> you like the udev idea, though?
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| 00:00 | <vagrantc> overall, yes.
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| 00:00 | <sbalneav> cool
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| 00:00 | <vagrantc> due to the unpredictibility of usb, i'd say keep the parallel to the specific known ports ...
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| 00:00 | <sbalneav> yeah, makes sense
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| 00:00 | <vagrantc> and that keeps the usb printers open-ended ...
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| 00:01 | <sbalneav> perfect.
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| 00:01 | <vagrantc> "this here thin client has 32 printers plugged into it
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| 00:01 | "
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| 00:01 | how many printers are people really going to have plugged into a single thin client ?
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| 00:01 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 00:02 | <sbalneav> well, I'd figure two at the max
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| 00:02 | <vagrantc> and where do serial printers fit in ?
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| 00:02 | <sbalneav> heh
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| 00:02 | well, I havent quite figured that one out yet
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| 00:02 | but
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| 00:02 | I think it'll go something like this
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| 00:03 | * vagrantc hears the music | |
| 00:03 | <sbalneav> stty -F /dev/ttyS0 9600 ..... (tty parms)
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| 00:03 | jetpipe /dev/ttyS0 9200 (or whatever)
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| 00:04 | <george719> greetings
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| 00:04 | <sbalneav> so just configure the serial port with stty, and then serve it with jetpope
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| 00:04 | jetpipe
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| 00:04 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: does jetpipe respect lts.conf variables and such ?
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| 00:04 | <sbalneav> jetpipe never did
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| 00:04 | * vagrantc thinks the rewrite should be called jetpope | |
| 00:04 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: yes, but the init scripts that call jetpipe respect variables
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| 00:05 | <sbalneav> it's just a simple little listen-to-a-socket-and-dump-the-dtuff-to-a-file program
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| 00:05 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so maybe there should be a wrapper script that udev calls ... but ...
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| 00:05 | <sbalneav> right, but with udev, you won't need the variables
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| 00:05 | <vagrantc> i don't know ...
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| 00:05 | <sbalneav> at all
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| 00:05 | <george719> i have to switch the client network to work on eth1, what hidden configs need i look at to make this work?
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| 00:05 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: the serial settings ?
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| 00:06 | <sbalneav> as for serial, that can't be handled by udev, so it could just be an rc script.
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| 00:06 | <vagrantc> which jetpipe doesn't respect anyways
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| 00:06 | serial can't be handled by udev ?
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| 00:06 | <sbalneav> george719: your dhcpd.conf file, specifically
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| 00:06 | <vagrantc> because you don't know a printer is attached ... right
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| 00:06 | any more than parallel ?
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| 00:06 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: what's at the end of that serial port? :)
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| 00:07 | well, with a // port, you can make a REASONABLE assumption that it's connected to a printer.
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| 00:07 | <george719> is that the only place?
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| 00:07 | <sbalneav> whacky // port zip drives aside.
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| 00:07 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: // port ?
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| 00:07 | <sbalneav> parallel
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| 00:08 | see? // two parallel lines
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| 00:08 | * vagrantc used to use plip all the time | |
| 00:08 | <sbalneav> never seen that before?
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| 00:08 | <vagrantc> and parallel-port CDROM drives
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| 00:08 | in fact, my first real linux install was done with one of those
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| 00:08 | <sbalneav> the // port was supposed to be just for printers. Anything else was an intentional abuse of an ieee standard :)
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| 00:09 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 00:09 | <sbalneav> george719: Off the top of my head, yeah.
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| 00:09 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so this gets into my "autodetection is good, as long as you can override it" philosophy.
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| 00:09 | <george719> tnx gg
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| 00:10 | <sbalneav> Well, we could easily wrap the udev rules in a small wrapper script that, barring overrides, end in an exec jetpipe.
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| 00:11 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: that would make me happy.
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| 00:12 | with only a brief additional resource cost
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| 00:13 | <sbalneav> I'm fine with that.
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| 00:14 | <sbalneav> I just like the idea of, for most people, plugging in their one usb printer, and they can just set up on cups port 9103, and it just works
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| 00:14 | without even a terminal reboot.
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| 00:14 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: indeed.
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| 00:14 | "autodetection is good, as long as you can override it"
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| 00:16 | only 9 debian bugs left for ltsp and ltspfs worth closing :)
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| 03:03 | <dan__t> Anyone have a moment to share an fstab copy of a client that is already up with shares mounted?
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| 03:08 | <dan__t> 'morning, kamazu
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| 03:08 | <kamazu> morning
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| 03:08 | <dan__t> don't suppose you have any ltsp clients up right now do ya?
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| 03:08 | <kamazu> We are having trouble with high load average on our LTSP 5 server
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| 03:09 | Any image browsing application sends load average above 10
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| 03:09 | <dan__t> How much RAM?
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| 03:10 | Can I bother you for a copy of one of your running clients' fstabs, please?
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| 03:10 | <kamazu> We are running 10 clients on a amd64 1.5 Gig
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| 03:10 | on sec
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| 03:10 | <dan__t> Thanks. I'd check to see if it is swapping badly
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| 03:16 | <kamazu> This is the fstab of one of the clients, with a load of 1.24 at the moment
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| 03:16 | /dev/root / unionfs defaults 0 0
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| 03:16 | tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,nosuid,nodev 0 0
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| 03:16 | /dev/cdrom /var/run/drives/cdrom auto defaults 0 0
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| 03:16 | /dev/fd0 /var/run/drives/floppy0 auto defaults 0 0
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| 03:16 | /dev/hda5 /var/run/drives/atadisk-hda5 auto defaults 0 0
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| 03:16 | /dev/hda1 /var/run/drives/atadisk-hda1 auto defaults 0 0
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| 03:16 | /dev/hda2 /var/run/drives/atadisk-hda2 auto defaults 0 0
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| 03:16 | how can we check if it is swapping
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| 03:17 | <dan__t> use top
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| 03:17 | <kamazu> When high load averages occur we noticed wa is high
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| 03:17 | in top
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| 03:18 | <dan__t> what was high?
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| 03:19 | <kamazu> What does wa in top mean, assume it waiting ...
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| 03:19 | high load average means greater than 10
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| 03:19 | <dan__t> well, it can mean 3-4 even
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| 03:19 | it's all relative
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| 03:19 | <kamazu> high wa means 35%
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| 03:19 | <dan__t> what does swap say
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| 03:19 | ?
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| 03:19 | <kamazu> 3-4 is fine
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| 03:20 | we feel load avg only above 4 ( mouse drags, changing windows etc...)
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| 03:20 | what do you mean by 'what does swap say'
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| 03:21 | thanks for helping btw
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| 03:22 | <dan__t> sorry
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| 03:22 | What is the swap usage like?
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| 03:22 | Is it extraordinarily high?
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| 03:22 | <kamazu> image browsing with firefox or gthumb on 2 clients sends load above ten
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| 03:22 | Swap: 1951856k total, 207984k used, 1743872k free, 211572k cached
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| 03:22 | Swap: 1951856k total, 207984k used, 1743872k free, 211572k cached
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| 03:22 | Swap: 1951856k total, 207984k used, 1743872k free, 211572k cached
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| 03:22 | sorry
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| 03:23 | but seems ok?
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| 03:23 | <dan__t> it does.
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| 03:23 | does /var/log/messages say anything?
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| 03:23 | <kamazu> no nothing special
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| 03:24 | we have configured X on the server to not use dri and glx but still...
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| 03:24 | done this with the clients too
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| 03:24 | according to a post on the forums
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| 03:25 | but this is making our lTSP useless
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| 03:25 | it happens everyday at lunchtime
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| 03:25 | when the students are checking email
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| 03:25 | <dan__t> Are people playing games around that time?
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| 03:25 | heheh
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| 03:25 | <kamazu> and looking at forums
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| 03:25 | no
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| 03:25 | we are checking game playing, etc
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| 03:25 | and it is only image browsing
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| 03:26 | <dan__t> I really don't know.
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| 03:26 | <kamazu> a single client scrolling images.google.com sends the load avg up
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| 03:26 | <dan__t> That's an interesting one.
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| 03:26 | <kamazu> it is really horrific
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| 03:26 | we are considering removing LTSP
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| 03:26 | if one firefox user can cripple the system, this is hopeless for us
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| 03:27 | someone casually mentioned to us the other day 'this is a known issue with image rendering and LTSP'
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| 03:27 | is this true? can LTSP not handle networked image rendering in a scalable way?
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| 03:28 | we really just need some new debugging ideas - we've reached the end of our ideas
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| 03:28 | <dan__t> I've not had a problem with it.
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| 03:28 | <dberkholz> sounds like piss-poor X acceleration to me
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| 03:28 | <dan__t> My guys looked at porn all day no problem
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| 03:28 | <kamazu> yes
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| 03:28 | :-)
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| 03:28 | <dan__t> Well, I'm sure image rendering has a lot to do with it
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| 03:28 | Considering the nature of LTSP
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| 03:28 | <kamazu> so is this a client X server problem
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| 03:28 | <dan__t> but not to those extremes
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| 03:28 | <dberkholz> what's your X driver and X server version?
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| 03:28 | <kamazu> or the LTSP X server problem?
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| 03:29 | on client or server?
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| 03:29 | <dberkholz> ltsp clients
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| 03:29 | <kamazu> one sec
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| 03:30 | <dberkholz> you could just post an X log, that's got all the info
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| 03:32 | <kamazu> umm... how should I post it?
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| 03:32 | (sorry, I'm an IRC nooB)
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| 03:33 | <dberkholz> pastebin works
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| 03:33 | or rafb.net/paste
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| 03:33 | <kamazu> sorry - I'm not understanding
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| 03:33 | I'm using Gaim
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| 03:33 | <dberkholz> they are sites where you can just paste random content, get a url, and post the url in here
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| 03:36 | <kamazu> cool
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| 03:36 | here is the URL: http://rafb.net/p/E1D8iM98.html
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| 03:37 | <dberkholz> matrox, eh
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| 03:38 | <kamazu> hmmm if you say so...
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| 03:38 | yes, says or second sysadmin
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| 03:40 | <dberkholz> if you can get at the xorg.conf for the clients, try adding this into the Device section: Option "AccelMethod" "exa"
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| 03:40 | <kamazu> ok
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| 03:40 | what effect will that have?
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| 03:41 | <dberkholz> changes the acceleration architecture from the old one, xaa, to a newer one. depending on what exactly is in this driver, that may or may not speed up your problem issue
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| 03:41 | it likely would on radeon or intel, i'm not so sure on matrox
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| 03:42 | <kamazu> so this is likely to be a video card specific issue? if we switch video cards it could improve?
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| 03:43 | <dberkholz> extremely slow scrolling with firefox could potentially be a video driver issue.
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| 03:43 | it also could be other things
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| 03:44 | <dberkholz> you may want to profile your problem to figure out whether it's cpu-bound, network-bound or io-bound.
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| 03:45 | <kamazu> when we removed glx and dri support on the server, the image performanced improved a lot
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| 03:45 | what tools can we use to check the CPU/Net/IO ?
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| 03:46 | re dri on server: with dri enabled moving the mouse around in front of an image sent load > 5
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| 03:46 | <dberkholz> top, vmstat, iostat, tcpdump
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| 03:46 | <kamazu> with dri and glx off, there was no issue
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| 03:46 | thanks for those
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| 03:46 | didn't know vmstat or iostat
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| 03:47 | <dberkholz> extremely useful tools
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| 03:48 | <kamazu> I thought it was odd that just moving the cursor in front of the image sent the load so high
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| 03:48 | no scrolling, just moving the mouse
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| 03:48 | <dberkholz> you could try flipping between swcursor and hwcursor options in X, but that's sort of a bandaid since scrolling also hurts
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| 03:49 | <kamazu> hmmm...
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| 03:49 | ok, thanks for your help on that, we'll try, and come back after a day or two
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| 03:49 | we have one more question
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| 03:50 | we are having difficulties with local devices not working 100%
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| 03:50 | <dberkholz> i can't help with that bit, i just happen to know a fair bit about X
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| 03:50 | <kamazu> the gnome desktops are getting icons for ALL disk drives in the LTSP server machine (sda1, floppy2, cdrom0, etc)
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| 03:50 | ah, too bad
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| 03:51 | is there a different forum where we should post ltspfs questions?
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| 03:52 | <dberkholz> here would be a good spot, it's just that people besides me will have to help.
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| 03:52 | and it's a bit late in north america right now, where a number of folks are
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| 03:52 | <kamazu> ah
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| 03:53 | hee hee
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| 03:53 | we're in India ;-)
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| 03:53 | it's prime time here
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| 03:53 | guess we'd be better off posting earlier in the day
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| 03:54 | <dberkholz> in a few hours, some folks will be waking up
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| 03:54 | it's 5am on the east coast
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| 03:54 | <kamazu> ah, good
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| 03:55 | it's about time for us to leave the school, but we'll be here for at least two more hours
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| 03:55 | thanks again for your advice
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| 03:55 | <dberkholz> you might want to search around the ltsp website and list for your problem too, maybe others have hit it before
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| 03:57 | <kamazu> we've searched google for two weeks
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| 03:58 | we found the clue about disabling glx and dri
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| 05:07 | <kamazu> anyone got advice for getting fuse/ltspfs working?
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| 06:15 | <kamazu> anyone got advice for getting fuse/ltspfs working?
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| 06:20 | <sep> kamazu, ask real questions if you expect real answers. my best advice is, install it, read the docs, configure it correctly.
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| 06:55 | <kamazu> sorry - we knew that it was late for US time, just wanting to find out if someone was awake
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| 06:55 | we had a long talk with dberkholz earlier, he suggested we wait a few hours until the US hackers woke up :-)
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| 06:56 | <kamazu> our problem is the gnome desktops for the clients are getting icons for ALL disk drives in the LTSP server machine (sda1, floppy2, cdrom0, etc)
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| 06:57 | also, anytime someone plugs a USB device into the LTSP server, ALL client machines get a nautilus window popping up in their face
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| 07:14 | <cliebow> kamazu, sbalneav is your man...
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| 07:16 | <kamazu> ok, thanks
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| 07:17 | <cliebow> kamazu, you using edubuntu..ltsp5?
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| 07:17 | <kamazu> yes
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| 07:17 | edubuntu/feisty
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| 07:17 | <cliebow> so the twekve step from 4.2 prob wont help you any
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| 07:17 | <kamazu> our difference is we are using LDAP for authentication
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| 07:19 | cliebow: what do you mean 'the twekve step'
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| 07:19 | <Ryudo> sbalneav i receveid your email thank you very much !
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| 07:21 | <cliebow> well..scottie had a troubleshooting checklist for localdevs..but it wont help you here
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| 07:23 | <ogra> thats not localdev
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| 07:24 | you need to disable automounting in gconf-editor as root, make it mandatory and default if you dont want the servers drives to show up
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| 07:24 | (that doesnt affect localdev)
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| 07:25 | <Ryudo> ogra you can help me ?
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| 07:26 | <ogra> Ryudo, nope, i have to leave now ... later tonight probably
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| 07:31 | <Ryudo> ok no problem
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| 07:34 | <kamazu> thanks ogra
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| 07:34 | we have a seperate problem with localdev mounting
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| 07:35 | <kamazu> users do not have permission to unmount the drive
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| 07:35 | this creates problems when copying files to usb keydrives
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| 07:35 | <Guaraldo> Morning all...
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| 07:36 | kamazu: LTSP 5 or 4.x?
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| 07:36 | <kamazu> edubuntu/feisty (ltsp5)
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| 07:37 | <Guaraldo> Oh, kamazu, I recently started working with LTSP 5...
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| 07:38 | <ogra> kamazu, there is no unmount option at al for local devcies in ltsp5 on edubuntu
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| 07:38 | <kamazu> it works for root
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| 07:39 | <ogra> the default install sets up everything to work out of the box, you just need to add the users to the systms fuse group
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| 07:39 | dont use root !
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| 07:39 | <kamazu> mounting is working fine
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| 07:39 | user pops in usb drive, it mounts
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| 07:39 | <ogra> yeah, it should (out of the box, as i said)
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| 07:39 | <kamazu> then they copy files, and they need to unmount
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| 07:39 | <ogra> no
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| 07:39 | ltspfs doesnt need unmounting
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| 07:39 | <kamazu> the option exists in nautilus, but they get permission denied
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| 07:40 | <ogra> it does that trnsparently in the bg if no data flows anymore
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| 07:40 | thats not possible, ldm unsets that option during login for all localdev devcies
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| 07:40 | <kamazu> sorry that doesn't seem to make sense
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| 07:40 | what is ldm?
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| 07:41 | <ogra> the login manager that used oin ltsp5
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| 07:41 | the thing coming up with the default setup on your thin clients for logging in
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| 07:41 | (ltsp display manager .... responsible for nearly everything like sound, localdev etc)
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| 07:42 | <kamazu> does it work with LDAP?
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| 07:42 | we are not using ldm
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| 07:42 | all our configuration is via LDAP
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| 07:42 | this is perhaps what is causing problems
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| 07:42 | <ogra> ldm supports ldap
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| 07:42 | <kamazu> we upgraded from dapper => edgy => feisty
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| 07:42 | ldm never got installed
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| 07:42 | <ogra> it supports everyting ssh supports, since that is its auth packaend
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| 07:43 | *backend
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| 07:43 | did you follow the ltsp upgrade instructions and rebuiolt the chroot loke the ubuntu wiki suggests ?
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| 07:43 | <kamazu> yup
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| 07:43 | at least back when we did it...
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| 07:43 | <ogra> so you dont have ldm in yur chroot after ltsp-build-client was run ?
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| 07:44 | <kamazu> the docs may have changed in the meanwhile :-)
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| 07:44 | * ogra cant belive that | |
| 07:44 | <kamazu> oops...
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| 07:44 | <ogra> well, since i wrote them i'D know taht :)
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| 07:44 | <kamazu> let me check in the chroot
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| 07:44 | sorry, yes, ldm is in the chroot
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| 07:45 | I guess we're going to have to read how to get this working with LDM...
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| 07:45 | <ogra> jusz make sure to have ltsp-server/-standalone 5.0.7 and make sure to have wiped the old /opt/ltsp/i386 dir before you run ltsp-build-client
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| 07:45 | note that if you ever ran ltsp 4 on that setup it will be a very hard path for you
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| 07:45 | 4 and 5are not compatible by design
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| 07:46 | (4 uses many non standard locations)
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| 07:46 | <kamazu> nope we've only had ltsp5 (since dapper)
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| 07:46 | <ogra> ok
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| 07:46 | <kamazu> we've got ltsp-server 5.0.7
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| 07:47 | <ogra> good
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| 07:47 | that brings the right ltsp-build-client
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| 07:47 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingLTSP
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| 07:47 | see if the versions in the chroot match 5.0.7 .... 0.4.3 fo rltspfs
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| 07:48 | <Ryudo> ogra my terminals after some time of use make logout automatically returning from LDM screen, you know what it can be this?
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| 07:50 | <kamazu> hey ogra, we've done all the steps just as you wrote them on the wiki (thanks for the docs BTW, very handy)
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| 07:50 | The problem was the user/groups admin tool does *NOT* talk to LDAP
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| 07:50 | ASAWCT
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| 07:50 | it only affected the local users/groups
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| 07:51 | so we had to manually add a fuse group to LDAP, and add all users to the fuse group
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| 07:54 | <kamazu> oh, ogra, what needs to be edited in gconf-editor to turn off automounting? in the chroot? or not?
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| 07:55 | <rafaelcardoso> hi all AMD CS5536 chipset works with ltsp 4.2?
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| 07:56 | <Ryudo> rafael bom dia
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| 07:56 | <rafaelcardoso> epa bom dia
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| 07:56 | <kamazu> when the usb drive is automounted, the owner of the file in /media/<username>/ is root.root
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| 07:57 | <rafaelcardoso> pra falar portugues tem o ltsp-br ryudo ja levei uma dessas outro dia!!
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| 07:58 | <Ryudo> ops sorry
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| 07:58 | <rafaelcardoso> no problem
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| 07:59 | <Ryudo> kamazu did you know if Ubuntu 7.04 have ltspfs installed by default ?
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| 08:00 | <kamazu> yes
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| 08:00 | AFAIK
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| 08:02 | <Ryudo> when i installed ltsp (sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone) ltspfs is installed too ?
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| 08:02 | sorry for my bad english :(
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| 08:05 | <kamazu> thank you for all you help.... getting late here in India... bye :)
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| 08:06 | <Ryudo> by kamazu
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| 08:06 | bye
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| 08:12 | <sbalneav_> Morning all
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| 08:13 | <Guaraldo> Ryudo: ltspfs is part of the ltsp package on version 5...
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| 08:13 | <rafaelcardoso> ogra xorg don't have support for lx800 vga
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| 08:13 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav_: Scottttttttttyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!! How do you do, dude?
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| 08:13 | <sbalneav_> Hello Guaraldo!
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| 08:14 | hm, there's two of me.
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| 08:14 | <bengoa> !s
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| 08:14 | <ltspbot`> bengoa: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:14 | <sbalneav> Am I here too?
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| 08:14 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav_: Yep... sometimes it happens...
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| 08:14 | <sbalneav_> yes I am
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| 08:14 | <Ryudo> morning sbal !
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| 08:14 | <sbalneav_> Then I'll go here
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| 08:14 | <Ryudo> sbalneav thank you !
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| 08:14 | <sbalneav> And he's gone
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| 08:14 | <Ryudo> i'm received your email !
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| 08:14 | <sbalneav> Morning Ryudo.
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| 08:15 | Good
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| 08:15 | <Ryudo> thank you very much :D
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| 08:15 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Did you killed your clone?
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| 08:15 | <Ryudo> sbalneav i need your help again :D
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| 08:15 | <sbalneav> I'm logged in from home via irssi that I left running in screen.
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| 08:15 | <Ryudo> my terminals after some time of use make logout automatically returning from LDM screen, you know what it can be this?
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| 08:16 | <sbalneav> They're running out of ram, most likely
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| 08:16 | how much ram do they have in them?
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| 08:16 | <Ryudo> 64 mb and 128 mb
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| 08:16 | <klausade> how "smart" is it to use a nfs-mounted partition for nbd-swap...?
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| 08:17 | <Ryudo> nbd is activated for 256 MB
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| 08:17 | <sbalneav> What are you doing at the time you get kicked out? Running firefox?
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| 08:18 | klausade: You're generating a lot of extra network traffic, and slowing down your server.
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| 08:18 | <klausade> sbalneav: so I guessed. better without.
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| 08:19 | <Ryudo> yes runing firefox :D
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| 08:20 | sbalneav: yes runing firefox :D
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| 08:20 | or openoffice
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| 08:21 | <sbalneav> You might want to search either edubuntu-users list or the ltsp-discuss list for the X_RAMPERC fix that I came up with.
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| 08:21 | it helps a bit
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| 08:22 | basically, firefox behaves badly and allocates insane amounts of memory.
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| 08:22 | which starves the client.
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| 08:22 | Or, switching to a different browser, like Konqueror, or Opera can help
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| 08:39 | <pablo_> hi! i guess one of my nics has trouble whith power manager acpi its a realtek8139. in /var/log/messages i see NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1 transmit timed out
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| 08:39 | and then the link goes up and down sever times and my terminals hang
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| 08:40 | how do i completly disable power managment features at boot time? what kernel parameter should i use? im using ubuntu 7.04 (using grub not lilo)
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| 08:41 | <rafaelcardoso> nic is onboard or pci slot?
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| 08:42 | <pablo_> rafaelcardoso: pic slot
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| 08:44 | <rafaelcardoso> clean your realtek card
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| 08:51 | <Guaraldo> pablo_: Try acpi=off
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| 08:57 | <rafaelcardoso> hei anyone uses this thin client http://www.mpasystems.com.au/cgi-bin/mpa.pl?05_products+85_Termtek+42_Thin%20Client%20TK3550CE_TK-WT-35-500
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| 08:57 | ?
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| 09:02 | <Ryudo> ok thank you
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| 09:03 | sbalneav thanks
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| 09:10 | <sbalneav> ogra: I made a slight addition to the ldm screen script yesterday. I think a buggy via chipset was hanging things up.
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| 09:12 | <jammcq> goooooood morning folks
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| 09:12 | <Ryudo> jimmmm :D
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| 09:13 | X_RAMPERC sbalneav where i find this ?
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| 09:13 | i'm search on google
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| 09:15 | :(
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| 09:18 | jammcq did you know where i find this options on ltsp 5 ? (X_RAMPERC)
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| 09:18 | <jammcq> it doesn't exist in ltsp-5
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| 09:18 | it's from ltsp-4
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| 09:18 | <ogra> it does ... in gutsy only though
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| 09:18 | <jammcq> search the edubuntu mailing list. sbalneav was nice enough to post a patch there to make it work
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| 09:19 | <Ryudo> i dont find it :(
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| 09:19 | <jammcq> sbalneav must be napping right now
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> I'm looking for it...
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| 09:20 | <jammcq> THERE HE IS :)
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| 09:20 | <Ryudo> thanks :D
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| 09:20 | <sbalneav> What, can NOBODY ELSE SEARCH THE INTERNET NOW?
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| 09:21 | <jammcq> sbalneav: hey, i'm thinking we needs some new shirts that say: "It's not a template, it's just common sense!"
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| 09:21 | <Ryudo> :(
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| 09:23 | <sbalneav> It's in the edubuntu-devel archives.
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| 09:23 | <Ryudo> ok i'm search
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| 09:25 | <sbalneav> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2007-September/002379.html
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| 09:26 | <Ryudo> oh thank you again scott ! :D
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| 09:33 | * ogra wonders how hard it is to use gmane for searching mails on lists ... we probably should put up a howto :) | |
| 09:33 | <jammcq> sure, then they could search the list to find the howto :)
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| 09:38 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:40 | <Ryudo> :}
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| 09:47 | <sbalneav> ogra: See my patch to ldm screen script last night?
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| 09:47 | Morning, btw/
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| 09:56 | <joebob777as7> morning ogra, so yesterday when i added that ltsp dir so i could rebuild the image I got this on my client
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| 09:57 | <joebob777as7> errors after rebuild... moung: mounting /rofs on /root/rofs failed: Invalid argument cp: unable to open /rot/etc/ : is a directory mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed no such file or di
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| 09:57 | is it because of this warning after image rebuild? Warning: image defined with different port already in inetd.conf
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| 10:09 | <jim_k> Hello dtrask
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| 10:14 | <joebob777as7> sbalneav, you on? I think i ran across a bug not sure if it's already been fixed. when i went to rebuild image i got the above error and had to manually edit inetd.conf and remove the port 2000 and 2001 lines before build would update inetd config...
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| 10:16 | <sbalneav> Yeah, there was an extra / that went into ltsp-update-image
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| 10:16 | If you want to fix it, short term, edit /usr/sbin/ltsp-update-image
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| 10:17 | <sbalneav> on line 46
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| 10:17 | change BASE=${BASE:-"/opt/ltsp/"} to BASE=${BASE:-"/opt/ltsp"}
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| 10:19 | <sbalneav> jim_k: Don't know if you got my email yet or not. I'm at work, and won't be able to try that document 'till tonight when I get home.
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| 10:19 | <jim_k> sbalneav: just checked and yep, I got it.
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| 10:19 | I am reading now,
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| 10:20 | I don't think this is the same problem we are seeing in Firefox
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| 10:20 | I monitored with xrestop the same as we did with Firefox and can see no increases when printing
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| 10:20 | I also checked with "free" and "htop" on the client and also on the server and did not see any significant increases as well
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| 10:21 | <joebob777as7> sbalneav, it is building properly now there was an update this morning. I'm gettingt this on my client thought: http://pastebin.ca/697617
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| 10:22 | <jim_k> I will slap some extra ram in and make a huge swap in a few minutes to test as well, just to be sure it isn't spiking faster than those programs refresh
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| 10:22 | <sbalneav> joebob777as7: Try an ltsp-update-kernels
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| 10:24 | <joebob777as7> lol worked sbalneav why did that happen?
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| 10:24 | <sbalneav> Don't know
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| 10:24 | I had it happen to me last night.
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| 10:24 | <jim_k> sbalneav: Sorry to bother you at work. Please don't assume because I'm sending you the emails that I expect you to jump on things right away, I just want to get you as much info as I can
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| 10:24 | <sbalneav> haven't had time to poke into it.
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| 10:25 | I'll get to it as soon as I can.
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| 10:27 | <joebob777as7> sbalneav, any idea why my x60 isn't taking the xorg file i'm telling it to? here is /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf http://pastebin.ca/696146 and i have xorg.conf-x60 in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/
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| 10:29 | <joebob777as7> well actually since then i've updated lts.conf to remove that space : http://pastebin.ca/697628
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| 10:35 | <sbalneav> No idea. If you have SCREEN_02=shell, and look at /etc/X11/xorg.conf, is it the same as the custom one?
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| 10:38 | <SLEducator> sbalneav: hi there, do the ltsp 150's have an accessible bios
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| 10:39 | <sbalneav> Don't know
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| 10:39 | jammcq would
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| 10:39 | <SLEducator> ty
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| 10:39 | jammcq: hi there, do the ltsp 150's have an accessible bios?
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| 10:41 | <ogra> sbalneav, seeing your PM win ?
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| 10:41 | <joebob777as7> hmm... it appears to be
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| 10:42 | <sbalneav> ogra: You see what I just type?
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| 10:43 | <ogra> no
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| 10:43 | seems youre not registered
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| 10:43 | <sbalneav> crumb.
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| 10:46 | <joebob777as7> ogra, ok so the xorg is now getting replaced on my laptop. but I still can not get compiz to enable... ?
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| 11:01 | ogra you available?
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| 11:04 | <sbalneav> What does it say when you try to enable it>
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| 11:04 | ?
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| 11:07 | <joebob777as7> well if i type compiz --replace i get: http://pastebin.ca/697672
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| 11:08 | <sbalneav> You're using Gutsy?
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| 11:08 | <joebob777as7> sbalneav, tes
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| 11:08 | *yes
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| 11:08 | <sbalneav> Maybe try setting LDM_DIRECTX=True in your Defaults section
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| 11:08 | see if that works
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| 11:08 | compiz doesn't think the card can handle 3d
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| 11:09 | <joebob777as7> so i need to change that on the server and then reboot the client for it to take. ?
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| 11:09 | <sbalneav> That's correct.
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| 11:09 | <joebob777as7> what's weird about this is that this is the xorg file from my local install on the same system where it works perfect...
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| 11:12 | <sbalneav> Dude, I'm sitting here, laughing. Can you hear me? What'd I tell you about compiz? Hmmm? What'd I tell you.
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| 11:13 | <joebob777as7> it works perfect on my feisty install ltsp server.
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| 11:13 | <sbalneav> Sure.
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| 11:13 | They've made TONS of changes since then, haven't they?
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| 11:13 | <joebob777as7> even recognizes my laptops graphics card i didn't need to make it replace xorg.
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| 11:14 | <sbalneav> They're NOT TESTING it on remote displays, so there's NO GUARENTEE it'll work.
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| 11:14 | <sbalneav> I couldn't get it to work the other night, either.
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| 11:15 | Since feisty, they've gone through the whole compiz/beryl fusion.
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| 11:15 | who know's what's been done.
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| 11:16 | <joebob777as7> so after i update the lts.conf i need to do image update. do i need to update kernel as well?
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| 11:16 | <sbalneav> no, you don't need an image update
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| 11:17 | <sbalneav> not for an lts.conf chance, if you're changing in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/
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| 11:17 | <joebob777as7> oh ok...
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| 11:18 | <sbalneav> If it doesn't work with that, then it's a compiz bug, or compiz itself has decided that they won't support remote displays.
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| 11:18 | so I'd file a bug against compiz
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| 11:20 | <joebob777as7> ok i'll do that
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| 11:40 | <Ryudo> !ldm
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| 11:40 | <ltspbot`> Ryudo: "ldm" is You can find the updated ldm that supports the LDM_DIRECTX parameter for bypassing ssh encryption at http://alburg.net/ldm
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| 11:43 | <K_O-Gnom> hmm i got a little crazy event here ... one client can connect to the ltsp over tftp ... and the other client (copy paste setting and edit ip and mac) not ..
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| 11:44 | did somebody hav an idea?
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| 11:44 | (both clients get an ip)
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| 11:50 | <sbalneav> Something with dhcp, I'd expect.
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| 11:50 | <K_O-Gnom> sbalneav: me too .. copy paste the settings again did not solve
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| 11:56 | crab wehere is the mistake ..
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| 11:58 | <joebob777as7> sbalneav, posted bug for compiz
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| 12:00 | <K_O-Gnom> i only change that fu.... ing ip and now i cant boot with one client ..
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| 12:00 | <joebob777as7> ogra, do you think it's an issue with chroot? because when i go to to /etc/X11/xorg.conf it thinks it's my nvidia card on my server...
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| 12:01 | <K_O-Gnom> joebob777as7: did you look at it when you loged in X? then you look on the server xorg.conf ... you need to look for that one on the client over a client console ..
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| 12:02 | <K_O-Gnom> wb ogra
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| 12:03 | <joebob777as7> K_O-Gnom, on the console it gives me correct xorg.conf but the error's compiz spits at me like it doesn't see it or something...
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| 12:04 | http://pastebin.ca/697672
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| 12:05 | <sbalneav> No, that's fine.
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| 12:05 | compiz checks a bunch of things.
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| 12:05 | <joebob777as7> ok
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| 12:05 | <sbalneav> it's not finding any xgl support
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| 12:06 | <K_O-Gnom> hmpf ... when i change the dhcp server (to that one on the ltsp server it workes ..)
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| 12:06 | <joebob777as7> sbalneav, does that mean that's it's my xorg.conf file or something else?
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| 12:07 | <sbalneav> Is glx installed in the chroot?
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| 12:07 | dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l | grep glx
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| 12:10 | <joebob777as7> ii libgl1-mesa-glx 7.0.1-1ubuntu1 A free implementation of the OpenGL API -- G
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| 12:11 | <K_O-Gnom> hmmm no i REALY DONT know whats happening ... i testet my old dhcp on a other PC with that client and it workes fine ... so i copied that part of the config file to the new one and whats happening ... nothing ..
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| 12:11 | <sbalneav> got "load glx" in the xorg.conf-m60 or whatever it's called?
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| 12:12 | K_O-Gnom: Dude, when you gonna PASTE the dhcpd.conf file to the pastebot?
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| 12:12 | <K_O-Gnom> sbalneav: now :-)
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| 12:13 | <sbalneav> My psychic powers aren't working today.
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| 12:16 | <sbalneav> joebob777as7: Got a bug number so I can follow activity?
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| 12:17 | and did you check for glx in the xorg.conf?
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| 12:17 | <K_O-Gnom> sbalneav: ;-) http://phpfi.com/262867 <- work means the working client and not work the notworking client
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| 12:17 | <joebob777as7> glx is not there bug is 39648
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| 12:19 | <sbalneav> Well, that's a problem
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| 12:19 | add a Load "glx" in the Modules section
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| 12:20 | better make sure dri is there too.
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| 12:20 | joebob777as7: And.... where's that bug filed at? Not Ubuntu.
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| 12:21 | <joebob777as7> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/139648
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| 12:21 | lol sorry forgot the 1
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| 12:21 | <sbalneav> ah
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| 12:22 | <K_O-Gnom> sbalneav: some ideas?
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| 12:23 | <joebob777as7> sbalneav, i don't hvae anything about dri or glx in my xorg.conf on that laptop in my working install...
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| 12:24 | <sbalneav> joebob777as7: Humour me, would you? Add them in.
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| 12:24 | <joebob777as7> ok :)
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| 12:24 | <sbalneav> K_O-Gnom: Nope
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| 12:24 | Have you restarted dhcpd?
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| 12:24 | <K_O-Gnom> sbalneav: yes
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| 12:24 | <joebob777as7> what do i do with dri?
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| 12:25 | <K_O-Gnom> sbalneav: and the SAME config file workes on a different dhcp server (pc)
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| 12:25 | <sbalneav> same thing: Load "dri" under Modules.
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| 12:26 | I'm stepping out for some lunch.
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| 12:26 | be back in a bit.
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| 12:26 | <joebob777as7> sbalneav, ok also does it matter that there is no modules section? i added one...
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| 12:31 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra:http://phpfi.com/262867 <- did you have any idea?
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| 12:31 | <ogra> what happens if you drip the if caluse and make them identical ?
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| 12:31 | *clause
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| 12:32 | *drop :)
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| 12:32 | <K_O-Gnom> atm ive got it running like you think ... dont work
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| 12:32 | <ogra> are you 100% sure there is no other dhcp server the clients could reach ?
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| 12:33 | that would break netbooting
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| 12:33 | <K_O-Gnom> yes i am .. router deactivatet dhcp and on the ltsp server too ..
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| 12:33 | <ogra> do you see the dicover requests in the logs ?
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| 12:33 | *discover
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| 12:33 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: wich log?
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| 12:33 | <joebob777as7> sbalneav, when you get back this is the new output from compiz --replace
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| 12:33 | http://pastebin.ca/697755
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| 12:34 | <ogra> K_O-Gnom, the one of your dhcp server
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| 12:35 | <joebob777as7> ogra, have any ideas for me?
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| 12:35 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: yes discover and offer i see
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| 12:35 | <ogra> joebob777as7, nope, you have a proper compiz error output, the compiz guys should be able to help though
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| 12:36 | (and if you talk to them please show them the right config file ;) )
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| 12:36 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: if i deactivate the new one (i changed the server hardware) and activate the old one (with same settings over C&P) it workes
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| 12:36 | <joebob777as7> joebob777as7, all you need to do is use correct xorg.conf on the client and disable ltsp's x config
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| 12:38 | ogra, one guy is telling me to rebuild from source. He has it working... do i go to chroot and do that?
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| 12:38 | <ogra> no
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| 12:38 | if you rebuild anything from yource youre on your own
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| 12:39 | i wont be able to help ...
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| 12:39 | <joebob777as7> ok then i won't
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| 12:39 | <ogra> just ask them with that error
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| 12:39 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: any idea about my prob?
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| 12:39 | <ogra> K_O-Gnom, not really but then i'm not really familiar with that ancient stuff ... dhcp config looks ok on first sight
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| 12:40 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: i think its ok ... because it workes on other server ..
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| 12:40 | <ogra> well, whats the error you see on the client ?
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| 12:40 | any output there ?
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| 12:40 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: the client gehts the ip and then says PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout
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| 12:41 | <ogra> and your inetd is set up properly to server tftp i guess?
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| 12:41 | *serve
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| 12:41 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: i use in.tftp and its running
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| 12:41 | (because inetd dont worke here ..
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| 12:41 | (dont know why
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| 12:42 | <ogra> afaik booting doesnt work with steadily running tftpd ... but that might have been different two years ago when 4.2 was current
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| 12:43 | in any case your problem lies somewhere between dhcp and tftp
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| 12:43 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: the crap thing iss i use a different client where i copy paste the settings and change the mac and ip and that one workes ..
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| 12:43 | <joebob777as7> <dave_largo> Ok, is it possible the clients have a firewall or need -ac configured when they start X?
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| 12:43 | <ogra> n
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| 12:43 | <joebob777as7> <dave_largo> It almost seems like compiz can't remote display to them.
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| 12:43 | <dave_largo> Like it can't find them or connect to them
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| 12:43 | <ogra> no
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| 12:44 | i guess you ran through ther debugging prodcedures ? like finding out if DRI wirks, if glxinfo sees all the stuff it needs etc ?
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| 12:45 | <loather-work> compiz is really only designed to be run on the console
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| 12:45 | <joebob777as7> sbalneav had me add load dri and load glx to [modules] in xorg.conf it didn't work it didn't even have a modules section until i added it...
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| 12:45 | <ogra> loather-work, ?
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| 12:46 | loather-work, it works fine and savey a lot of badwith if it does on feisty ...
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| 12:46 | <loather-work> meaning, while it'll sometimes work on a remote display, your chances of success are rather slim
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| 12:46 | <ogra> *saves
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| 12:47 | * sbalneav sits and cackles manaiacly | |
| 12:47 | <K_O-Gnom> grrr
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| 12:47 | ogra: now i copied the settings again from the not working to the working ... change the mac and it workes ..
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| 12:47 | grrrr
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| 12:48 | <ogra> joebob777as7, well, googling your error gives exactly 266 results on google ... some f them might be helpful
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| 12:48 | Amaranth has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:48 | <Amaranth> hi
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| 12:48 | <sbalneav> joebob777as7: I've never seen this xorg.conf of yours, could you paste it?
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| 12:48 | to the pastebot?
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| 12:48 | <ogra> Amaranth, :)
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| 12:48 | Amaranth, i explained it in -devel
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| 12:49 | <Amaranth> i saw
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| 12:49 | ogra: that reminds me, do you have compiz working with ltsp?
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| 12:49 | <ogra> joebob777as7, Amaranth is a compiz guy, he probably might know the magic involved
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| 12:49 | Amaranth, you made it work in seville ;) i didnt try much in gutsy yet
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| 12:50 | as the only thing i can test it with is the classmate and thats currently needed as dev platform :)
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| 12:50 | <Amaranth> ah
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| 12:50 | joebob777as7: do you have a pastebin or something of the error you get when compiz starts?
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| 12:50 | joebob777as7: or is it starting but not working right?
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| 12:50 | <ogra> http://pastebin.ca/697755
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| 12:50 | Amaranth, ^^^
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| 12:51 | <joebob777as7> http://pastebin.ca/696120 is my xorg.conf
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| 12:51 | <Amaranth> hmm
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| 12:51 | <K_O-Gnom> crab why does that only happen on fridays?
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| 12:51 | <Amaranth> i have seen this
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| 12:51 | let me think
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| 12:51 | <ogra> joebob777as7, did you say you added a module section ?
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| 12:52 | hmm and the files section is empty
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| 12:52 | intresting that X even starts with that
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| 12:52 | <joebob777as7> yes then i removed them when i got the same error. i kept a backup...
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| 12:53 | the weird thing is that it works dang perfect on my local install :)
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| 12:53 | <ogra> that not weird
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| 12:53 | <Amaranth> joebob777as7: try DefaultDepth 16?
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| 12:53 | <ogra> X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 in lts.conf
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| 12:53 | err
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| 12:53 | <Amaranth> it can't get a GLXFBConfig for your current depth
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| 12:53 | <ogra> no, you have to edit the file since you use a static file ... i forgot
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| 12:54 | <K_O-Gnom> why does one client with that config boot and one does not? .. CRAAAAAB :-/
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| 12:54 | <joebob777as7> ogra do i need to rebuild image after editing lts.conf?
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| 12:54 | <ogra> not if you use it from the right place
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| 12:54 | <Amaranth> brb
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| 12:55 | <joebob777as7> the guy over on compiz fusion says it works perfect on his machines he's running xdmcp though...
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| 12:55 | <loather-work> so. how do I get my clients to do broadcast xdmcp instead of whatever the default is in ltsp 5?
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| 12:56 | <ogra> loather-work, if you can live without any features (localdev/sound etc) you can set SCREEN_07=startx as you could with former ltsp versions as well
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| 12:57 | <sbalneav> You need to enable it in gdm as well.
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| 12:57 | <ogra> yeah
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| 12:57 | <loather-work> well, localdevs i can live without. I don't particularly want the users to be able to do that anyways (although it's an awesome feature: kudos). The sound, on the other hand, I do need.
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| 12:57 | yea, it's enabled in gdm
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| 12:57 | <joebob777as7> so should i leave the LDM_DIRECT=True in my lts.conf?
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| 12:57 | <loather-work> well, xdm, but same thing really
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| 12:58 | <ogra> well, you would need to export PULSE_SERVER somehow and set up the alsa emulation manually for every user for that
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| 12:58 | <Amaranth> joebob777as7: this is not an ltsp problem
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| 12:58 | <ogra> that *could* give you sound ... no promises as nobody of the devs touches XDMCP anymore
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| 12:58 | <Amaranth> joebob777as7: we have a bug open for regular intel users too
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| 12:58 | <joebob777as7> Amaranth, i got the same output when changing color depth
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| 12:58 | <loather-work> that sounds painful
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| 12:58 | <Amaranth> joebob777as7: hmm
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| 12:59 | joebob777as7: try the i810 driver :)
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| 12:59 | <ogra> joebob777as7, LDM_DIRECT is invalid and will be ignored ... LDM_DIRECTX otoh would work :)
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| 12:59 | * K_O-Gnom walks crying into a corner | |
| 12:59 | <sbalneav> And, theoretically, at least, there should be NO difference between xdmcp, and LDM_DIRECTX
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| 12:59 | <ogra> well, apart from secure passwords :)
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| 13:00 | <cyberorg> Amaranth, you hack on ltsp too? :)
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| 13:00 | <sbalneav> heh, I meant in terms of X functionality.
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| 13:00 | <Amaranth> cyberorg: no :)
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| 13:00 | <joebob777as7> so should i change it to LDM_DIRECTX?
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| 13:00 | <Amaranth> joebob777as7: try the i810 driver first
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| 13:00 | <ogra> joebob777as7, i doubt that helps with compiz ...
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| 13:00 | <cyberorg> Amaranth, you can make a nicer ltsp-manager for us ;)
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| 13:01 | <Amaranth> joebob777as7: as i said, this is not an ltsp problem, we have a bug open for this with regular ubuntu too
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| 13:01 | <ogra> cyberorg, hey, he should finish willow-ng first :)
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| 13:01 | <Amaranth> but i don't have intel hardware so...
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| 13:01 | <cyberorg> ogra, what's that?
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| 13:01 | <Amaranth> cyberorg: content filtering proxy that uses a bayesian classifier
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| 13:01 | <joebob777as7> Amaranth, but why would it work perfect on my local install?
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| 13:02 | <Amaranth> joebob777as7: in that case i dunno :)
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| 13:02 | <ogra> cyberorg, the coolest webfilter ever :)
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| 13:02 | cyberorg, for content filtering ....
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| 13:02 | <Amaranth> joebob777as7: maybe it is an ltsp problem, i didn't know it worked locally
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| 13:02 | <joebob777as7> Amaranth, do i change driver to i810 or intel i810 ?
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| 13:02 | <Amaranth> joebob777as7: i810
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| 13:02 | <cyberorg> ah, i use squidGuard, but i would love something nice :)
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| 13:02 | <joebob777as7> Amaranth, it works great locally
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| 13:02 | * sbalneav throws up hands | |
| 13:02 | <ogra> joebob777as7, the local install on the laptop is gutsy, right ?
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| 13:03 | <joebob777as7> yes
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| 13:03 | <ogra> cyberorg, well, its one of these apps that persist in contant beta status :)
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| 13:03 | <Amaranth> ok then try the i810 driver then
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| 13:03 | <sbalneav> No point in helping joebob777as7, he's not listening to what I tell him, and constantly asks other people questions I've already given him answers to.
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| 13:03 | <Amaranth> the intel driver in feisty had some issues
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| 13:04 | <cyberorg> oO google beta
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| 13:04 | <ogra> cyberorg, just needs somebody who has time to give it a bit love
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| 13:04 | <Amaranth> cyberorg: no, real beta :)
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| 13:04 | <joebob777as7> Amaranth, same issue
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| 13:04 | <Amaranth> joebob777as7: in that case i dunno
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| 13:04 | <cyberorg> ogra, i need my work tested on different ltsp hardware, any vendors frequent here who could do that?
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| 13:05 | <Amaranth> try edubuntu gutsy? :)
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| 13:05 | <joebob777as7> LDM_DIRECTX didn't work either
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| 13:05 | <ogra> cyberorg, its nt finished, but requires little to do so ... sadly the developer is busy with way more important stuff :)
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| 13:05 | <Amaranth> hehe
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| 13:05 | <monteslu> sbalneav, orgra, the stability issues I've been having seem to be cleared up by going back to ldm_directx=true, but now thumb drives are broke again.... maybe I'll just wait to 7.10 to try and have both working
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| 13:05 | <joebob777as7> Amaranth, on laptop install?
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| 13:05 | <Amaranth> joebob777as7: no...
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| 13:05 | <sbalneav> monteslu: How are they broken?
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| 13:05 | <Amaranth> compiz in feisty sucked anyway
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| 13:05 | <ogra> monteslu, we changed some stuff in ltspfs 0.5
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| 13:05 | sbalneav, he's using gutsy ...
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| 13:05 | <Amaranth> you'd be awfully disappointed if you did get it working
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| 13:06 | <ogra> Amaranth, ??
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| 13:06 | <monteslu> sbalneav, it was the wierd problem where it mounted but couldnt connect to x
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| 13:06 | <ogra> it was way better than running locally on the classmate at least
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| 13:06 | <Amaranth> ogra: we did some evil things to it
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| 13:06 | <joebob777as7> Amaranth, i do have it working in feisty edubuntu and was dissapointed so i'm here :)
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| 13:06 | <ogra> Amaranth, ah
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| 13:06 | <sbalneav> monteslu: have you updated your packages? and rebuilt your chroot?
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| 13:06 | <monteslu> brb
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| 13:06 | nope
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| 13:06 | update, not rebuild
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| 13:06 | t
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| 13:06 | <ogra> aha
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| 13:06 | <Amaranth> ogra: did you ever try switching workspaces or did you go straight to viewports + cube?
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| 13:06 | <sbalneav> From the last ltsp packages, I rebuilt my chroot and localdev works fine.
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| 13:07 | I'd do that.
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| 13:07 | <monteslu> cool. will do
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| 13:07 | brb, lunch :)
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| 13:07 | <ogra> Amaranth, since i'm only able to see compiz at all via xgl (which sucks heavily) no, i didnt :)
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| 13:07 | <Amaranth> ogra: hehe
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| 13:07 | ogra: if you change workspaces your panels and nautilus go away
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| 13:07 | <ogra> fun :
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| 13:07 | :)
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| 13:07 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: now i typed the config from the not working server into the config from the working server ... and what happens?
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| 13:08 | <ogra> works ?
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| 13:08 | <Amaranth> compiz in feisty was 0.3.6 + every single change in 0.4 that didn't break API/ABI
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| 13:08 | <ogra> heh
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| 13:08 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: yes you got 100points :-)
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| 13:08 | <Amaranth> some of those changes needed the things that did break ABI/API
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| 13:08 | <ogra> K_O-Gnom, copy/paste issue, eh ?
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| 13:08 | vagrantc, !
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| 13:08 | * vagrantc springs into action | |
| 13:08 | <ogra> heh
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| 13:08 | <K_O-Gnom> ogra: i typed it manually and it workes ..on the workin server ..
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| 13:09 | <ogra> ah
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| 13:10 | <joebob777as7> what still baffles me is that i'm using a working xorg.conf on pretty much the same system and it's not just working... it's like it doesn't even see that it should work....
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| 13:10 | <cyberorg> ogra, about hardwares to test? ^^
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| 13:11 | <loather-work> ok wtf
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| 13:11 | the X config keeps getting generated with wacom crap in there
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| 13:11 | <joebob777as7> loather-work, always does
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| 13:11 | <ogra> loather-work, yes
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| 13:11 | <K_O-Gnom> WHY WHY god WHY ?
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| 13:12 | <loather-work> ok, that's all fine and dandy
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| 13:12 | <ogra> loather-work, doesnt do any harm but makes all wacom devices work
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| 13:12 | <loather-work> but it's keeping my X server from starting
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| 13:12 | <ogra> surely now
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| 13:12 | *not
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| 13:12 | <loather-work> i comment out all the wacom stuff, and it starts working
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| 13:12 | <ogra> tahst feisty ?
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| 13:12 | (7.04)
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| 13:12 | <loather-work> no, this is the 6.1.0 tarball from the website
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| 13:13 | <K_O-Gnom> hmm i cant fix it so ive fot to have 2 dhcps running ..
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| 13:13 | s/fot/got
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| 13:13 | <joebob777as7> Amaranth, I can't rightly explain to the compiz guys that I am having an issue when in reality that xorg.conf works...
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| 13:13 | they tell me it's not a compiz bug
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| 13:14 | <ogra> loather-work, ouch .... you should at least take the 7.04 one :)
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| 13:14 | <loather-work> http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/ltsp-5.0/ltsp_ubuntu_feisty_i386-1.tar.bz2 <--- this one?
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| 13:15 | <joebob777as7> yes loather-work
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| 13:15 | <ogra> joebob777as7, LDM_DIRECTX enables XDMCP transport for everything but passwords, if the guy has it working with XDMCP there is no reason ltsp could be in the way here
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| 13:15 | loather-work, which host OS btw ?
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| 13:15 | <loather-work> F7
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| 13:15 | <ogra> you will need some tweaks ...
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| 13:15 | <loather-work> undoubtedly.
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| 13:16 | <ogra> ubuntu expects Xsession to be in /etc/X11/
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| 13:16 | <joebob777as7> ok well i think he was running feisty anyway... i'll ask
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| 13:16 | <ogra> you'll need to link your Xsession or so ...
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| 13:16 | <white_n_azz> does ltsp 5 have fairly decent support for ppc architecture?
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| 13:16 | <loather-work> shouldn't be a problem
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| 13:16 | <joebob777as7> white_n_azz, i believe so eys
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| 13:17 | yes*
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| 13:17 | <ogra> white_n_azz, we have the ability for ppc ... but i dont think anyone has tested that in the last 12 months
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| 13:17 | <white_n_azz> does it build for me or do I install on a local system and copy files over?
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| 13:17 | <joebob777as7> worked for me just fine on my friends laptop he brought over
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| 13:17 | * ogra isnt sure what cliebow is running on his ppcs | |
| 13:17 | * vagrantc will try and test powerpc, sparc and alpha next week | |
| 13:17 | <ogra> cool
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| 13:17 | <joebob777as7> white_n_azz, ltsp-build-client --arch ppc
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| 13:18 | <ogra> white_n_azz, the latter
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| 13:18 | <vagrantc> white_n_azz: yes, you install on the appropriate architecture and copy over /opt/ltsp/powerpc
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| 13:18 | <ogra> ltsp-build-client needs the ppc cpu during build on the host
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| 13:18 | SLEducator has left #ltsp | |
| 13:18 | <ogra> with gutsy even only the squashfs image ;)
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| 13:18 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 13:19 | <white_n_azz> OK thanks - I've got 4.2 running and am going to be demonstrating to boss in a little while but I am hoping not to have to go all the way to ppc demo because we will buy a new server for the purpose
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| 13:19 | <vagrantc> + kernel + initramfs
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| 13:19 | <ogra> yeah
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| 13:19 | <Amaranth> joebob777as7: i think you just need gutsy
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| 13:19 | <joebob777as7> Amaranth, I am running GUTSY
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| 13:19 | <K_O-Gnom> hmm so now ive got to mac based dhcps running and it seems to be working ..
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| 13:20 | <joebob777as7> K_O-Gnom, good job
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| 13:20 | <vagrantc> openfirmware is all kinds of buggy
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| 13:20 | at least, some versions
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| 13:20 | <joebob777as7> Amaranth, my local laptop install where i got the xorg.conf has gutsy and the ltsp server has gutsy
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| 13:20 | <white_n_azz> Apple is perpetual beta sold for top dollars
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| 13:21 | <joebob777as7> white_n_azz, isn't that the same with vista?
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| 13:21 | <Amaranth> i thought you said the server was feisty
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| 13:21 | joebob777as7: anyway, i dunno man
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| 13:21 | <joebob777as7> Amaranth, no it works on my other ltsp server that is feisty
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| 13:21 | <white_n_azz> perhaps - but you have to know I would never EVER buy Vista
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| 13:21 | <Amaranth> joebob777as7: i guess you just don't get compiz
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| 13:21 | joebob777as7: it's no big deal
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| 13:21 | I'd be more concerned if it started but didn't work right
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| 13:22 | <joebob777as7> lol Amaranth it is a big deal to me. that's like saying oh well it doesn't work you don't get gdm...
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| 13:22 | <Amaranth> Not really, compiz is a bonus
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| 13:22 | <joebob777as7> i think gdm is a bonus :)
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| 13:23 | <K_O-Gnom> joebob777as7: its only a temporary solution ... not realy good ..
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| 13:23 | <joebob777as7> compiz has many usability features that my boss says we have to have...
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| 13:23 | Amaranth, i just want to get to the bottom of this error and find out if it's ltsp or compiz then whoever needs to will fix it...
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| 13:24 | <Amaranth> joebob777as7: ltsp or intel
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| 13:24 | not compiz
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| 13:24 | <joebob777as7> ?
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| 13:24 | <Amaranth> the spot where it's failing means your X server doesn't have a GLXFBConfig for your depth
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| 13:24 | that cannot possibly be compiz's fault
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| 13:25 | <joebob777as7> yeah but the same intel driver is working on my local install therefore it must be ltsp... it's just a question of where compiz is finding that the GLXFBConfig doesn't work in comparison to where it does work on local install
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| 13:25 | <Amaranth> and intel has little to no short-term interest in making compiz work better
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| 13:25 | <sbalneav> Unless compiz isn't testing things correctly because of the remote display.
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| 13:25 | <Amaranth> sbalneav: it uses glx
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| 13:26 | <sbalneav> I understand that.
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| 13:26 | <Amaranth> sbalneav: glXGetFBConfigs
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| 13:26 | if that fails on a remote display the remote display is broken
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| 13:26 | <vagrantc> joebob777as7: is it one of the cards that requires the 915resolution package ?
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| 13:26 | <sbalneav> Doesn't mean there isn't some kind of problem with that over remote displays. Or that it returns different information for a remote display that compiz doesn't interpret correctly.
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| 13:27 | <joebob777as7> vagrantc, it did in feisty but not in gutsy
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| 13:27 | <Amaranth> vagrantc: 912resolution is only needed for the i810 driver
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| 13:27 | <sbalneav> I don't think you can just make a blanket assertion that it isn't compiz.
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| 13:27 | <Amaranth> 915*
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| 13:27 | the intel driver doesn't need it
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| 13:27 | sbalneav: well since i have no access to ltsp... :)
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| 13:27 | sbalneav: find out what that returns? :)
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc> seems like a simple test if it's compiz or not is to try a simpler window manager ...
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| 13:28 | <sbalneav> Or, say, glxgears
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| 13:28 | <Amaranth> vagrantc: no other window manager will use glXGetFBConfigs
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| 13:28 | <sbalneav> joebob777as7: can you run glxgears?
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| 13:29 | <joebob777as7> booting...
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| 13:29 | <ogra> or glxinfo :)
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| 13:30 | <sbalneav> Amaranth:
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| 13:30 | oin$ glXGetFBConfigs
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| 13:30 | bash: glXGetFBConfigs: command not found
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| 13:30 | <ogra> also, when you changed the xorg.conf to i810, did you not forget to rebuild the image ? and installed 915resolution ?
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| 13:32 | <Amaranth> sbalneav: glxgears does not use glXGetFBConfigs
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| 13:32 | <ogra> sbalneav, ??
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| 13:32 | <Amaranth> sbalneav: it's a function, you have to call it from a C program
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| 13:32 | <ogra> sbalneav, trying to make bash a C interpreter ?`
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| 13:32 | <sbalneav> I have no idea
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| 13:32 | <joebob777as7> glxinfo... http://pastebin.ca/697806
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| 13:33 | * Amaranth wonders if _anything_ uses that other than compiz | |
| 13:33 | <sbalneav> I know nothing about 3d or compiz
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| 13:33 | <joebob777as7> ogra, i didn't know i needed to rebuild image. i didn't do it when sbalneav told me to add modules section either...
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| 13:33 | <Amaranth> joebob777as7: normally i'd freak out about direct rendering saying no but i guess it wouldn't be :)
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| 13:34 | <sbalneav> joebob777as7: You're STILL not on LDM_DIRECTX
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| 13:34 | <Amaranth> oh jeez
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| 13:34 | <sbalneav> I asked you to swith to that.
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| 13:34 | * Amaranth goes elsewhere | |
| 13:34 | <ogra> joebob777as7, xorg.conf change == image rebuild needed
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| 13:34 | <Amaranth> I've got bugs to squash :)
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| 13:34 | <ogra> Amaranth, thanks for dropping by though
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| 13:35 | <Amaranth> If he actually does that stuff and it still doesn't work just file a bug
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| 13:35 | <ogra> yeah
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| 13:35 | <Amaranth> Although I don't have enough computers to run ltsp so...
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| 13:35 | <ogra> 2 suffice :)
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| 13:35 | <Amaranth> i have 1
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| 13:35 | <ogra> and a crossover cable
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| 13:35 | virtualbox makes nice thin clients as well ;)
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| 13:35 | <Amaranth> but then i have to install the server on my laptop :P
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| 13:36 | <ogra> thats what i do :)
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| 13:36 | * ogra never travels without his ltsp server ... | |
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| 13:37 | * vagrantc does likewise | |
| 13:37 | <Amaranth> also virtualbox can't run compiz
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| 13:37 | <ogra> saved many peoples butts already ... i you have trashed your system in an unbootable condition, ltsp is an awesome recovery tool ;)
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| 13:38 | * ogra often helped people at dev conferences with their briken laptops already ;) | |
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| 13:46 | <joebob777as7> Amaranth, tried i810 no worky.
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| 13:47 | sbalneav, running LDM_DIRECTX
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| 13:48 | <ogra> you mean you enabled it now ?
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| 13:48 | <joebob777as7> yes
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| 13:48 | LDM_DIRECTX=true
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| 13:49 | <ogra> echo $DISPLAY (in a gnome terminal ...) what does this return
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| 13:50 | <dniel> vagrantc: hi!!!
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| 13:51 | <vagrantc> vagrantc: buenos dias
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| 13:51 | <dniel> vagrantc: I could run the X in my thin client!
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| 13:51 | <vagrantc> dniel: good :)
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| 13:51 | <dniel> vagrantc: in Debian Lenny
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| 13:52 | * ogra applauds | |
| 13:52 | <dniel> ogra: thanks!
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| 13:52 | <ogra> vagrantc, did you switch to ltspfs 0.5 already ?
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| 13:53 | (adds extra security)
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| 13:53 | <vagrantc> ogra: no, so localdev in sid is broken
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| 13:53 | <ogra> well, easy fix :)
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| 13:53 | <vagrantc> ogra: plan on doing it this weekend or early next week
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| 13:55 | <dniel> vagrantc: but there are somethings that is wrong because i couldn't start X from the ldm. Instead I had to use the "startx" command
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| 13:55 | <vagrantc> dniel: oh, that's not good.
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| 13:55 | <dniel> vagrantc: :(
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| 13:55 | <vagrantc> dniel: did you get a login screen with LDM, but just couldn't log in ?
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| 13:56 | <dniel> vagrantc: yes!
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| 13:56 | vagrantc: exactly
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| 13:57 | vagrantc: why?
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| 13:57 | <george719> can i get some tips on tftp timeouts
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| 13:57 | <dniel> vagrantc: why it happend?
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| 13:57 | <vagrantc> dniel: dpkg -l openssh-server xbase-clients | egrep ^ii
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| 13:57 | <joebob777as7> george719, are you sure dhcp is working?
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| 13:58 | <george719> yes get ip
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| 13:58 | <dniel> ii openssh-server 1:4.6p1-4+b1 secure shell server, an rshd replacement
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| 13:58 | ii xbase-clients 1:7.2.ds2-2 miscellaneous X clients
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| 13:58 | * ogra suggests ltsp-update-sshkeys | |
| 13:59 | <ogra> dniel, what was the error ldm showed ?
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| 13:59 | <vagrantc> python ldm shows no errors! muahahahahaaaa
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| 13:59 | <ogra> oh, you dont have ldm2 in lenny ?
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| 13:59 | ldm2 does :)
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| 13:59 | <vagrantc> ogra: just uploaded to sid a couple days ago
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| 13:59 | <ogra> ah
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> and it's going to wait until new ltspfs gets uploaded before it hits lenny
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| 14:00 | <dniel> ogra: doesn't show error.
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| 14:00 | <george719> new install on mepis 6.5 and ltsp 4.1
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| 14:00 | <ogra> dniel, i thought you use ldm2 already ... wasnt aware
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| 14:01 | <vagrantc> dniel: as root, run ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 14:01 | dniel: and then comment out the line in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf that uses startx
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| 14:01 | <joebob777as7> sbalneav, apparently when i rebuild xorg.conf-x60 with modules section dir and xgl it won't ever display ldm...
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| 14:01 | <dniel> vagrantc: yes. I run it, but nothing!
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| 14:01 | <vagrantc> dniel: actually, can you paste your lts.conf to the pastebot ?
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| 14:01 | !pastebot
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| 14:01 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 14:02 | <dniel> vagrantc: i havent lts.conf
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| 14:02 | <vagrantc> dniel: ah, good. :)
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| 14:02 | dniel: wait, how do you get it to use startx, then ?
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| 14:02 | <ogra> heh
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| 14:03 | <sbalneav> joebob777as7: Paste the entire xorg.conf to the pastebot again?
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| 14:03 | <vagrantc> sometimes it seems like 75% of the problems with LTSP5 is people using lts.conf from LTSP 4.x
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| 14:03 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:04 | <dniel> vagrantc: in a SCREEN_2 i run the startx command
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| 14:04 | <ogra> well, gutsy has a big warning
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| 14:04 | even thats for the location change of lts.conf it should make people cutious
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| 14:04 | *cautious
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> dniel: how do you define SCREEN_2 ?
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| 14:06 | <dniel> vagrantc: I push Ctrl+Alt+F2, then I login me and then i run startx command in the bash
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| 14:06 | <ogra> vagrantc, wow, you start gettys on all ttys ?
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| 14:06 | <vagrantc> dniel: did you set a password for root, or enable an account ?
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| 14:06 | <joebob777as7> http://pastebin.ca/697848
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| 14:06 | * ogra has only tty1 left in ubuntu | |
| 14:07 | <dniel> vagrantc: yes, i do
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| 14:07 | <vagrantc> ogra: yes, no configuration of defaults.
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| 14:07 | dniel: ok ...
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| 14:07 | <ogra> joebob777as7, Section "Module" ....
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| 14:07 | singular
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| 14:07 | <dniel> ogra: I did't configure my lts.conf
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| 14:08 | <ogra> dniel, i understood that
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> dniel: ok, so from there, type: ssh USER@server (USER is a user on your LTSP server)
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| 14:08 | <dniel> ogra: I am argentinian... my english is bad :(
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| 14:08 | ogra: jaja
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| 14:08 | <ogra> dniel, your english is fine, i understand everything you say :)
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| 14:08 | <vagrantc> and that's coming from a german
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| 14:08 | <dniel> ogra: jajaj thanks!
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| 14:09 | <ogra> :)
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| 14:10 | <dniel> vagrantc: Should I type this from a thing client?
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| 14:10 | <ltsppbot> "sbalneav" pasted "xorg.conf-scott for joebob" (124 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/319
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| 14:10 | <vagrantc> dniel: yes, from the thin client
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| 14:10 | <sbalneav> joebob777as7: You've got Modules instead of Module
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| 14:11 | use that one
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| 14:11 | <dniel> vagrantc: I am in a server, wait a one minute please!
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| 14:12 | vagrantc: i will shut up my thin client
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| 14:12 | <vagrantc> dniel: shut down ?
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| 14:12 | dniel: or start up? :)
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| 14:13 | <dniel> vagrantc: jajaja yes!
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| 14:13 | <ogra> vagrantc, well, "shut up" would be a merge of both, no ? that would mean reboot ;)
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| 14:14 | <vagrantc> ogra: heh
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| 14:14 | well, "shut up" typically has other meanings in english
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| 14:14 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:15 | <Amaranth> It seems to lead to fist fights around here
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| 14:15 | <ogra> lol
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| 14:15 | <dniel> vagrantc: jajaj
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| 14:15 | vagrantc: okey i'm here
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| 14:16 | * vagrantc has been actively practicing aikido again | |
| 14:16 | * vagrantc rolls | |
| 14:16 | cyberorg is now known as cyberorg_ | |
| 14:16 | <ogra> cool
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| 14:16 | <sbalneav> joebob777as7: That new one work better?
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| 14:16 | <joebob777as7> booting it now
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| 14:17 | * ogra practices manual lawn mowing again :) | |
| 14:17 | <joebob777as7> rebuild takes forever
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> dniel: so, ssh from the thin client to the server worked ?
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| 14:17 | <dniel> vagrantc: yes
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| 14:17 | <joebob777as7> sbalneav, same exact error. want me to try it with color depth of 16?
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| 14:17 | <dniel> vagrantc: it works
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| 14:18 | <sbalneav> But X starts now, correct?
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| 14:18 | <ogra> joebob777as7, but your DISPLAY variable is set right and not showing localhost:11, right ?
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| 14:19 | <sbalneav> joebob777as7: What's the value of your $DISPLAY var?
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| 14:19 | env | grep DISPLAY
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| 14:19 | <dniel> vagrantc: when i login in the ldm the display flashes and it returns to ldm
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| 14:19 | <joebob777as7> DISPLAY=10.0.0.249:6.0
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| 14:20 | <ogra> good
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| 14:20 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 14:20 | <ogra> LDM_DIRECTX is fine then
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| 14:20 | <vagrantc> dniel: ok, try to log in, and look what /var/log/ldm.log says
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| 14:20 | dniel: /var/log/ldm.log on the thin client
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| 14:20 | <dniel> vagrantc: okey!
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| 14:21 | <sbalneav> Then compiz simply isn't liking the remote display.
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| 14:21 | <vagrantc> dniel: other place to look is /home/USER/.xsession-errors on the server
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| 14:21 | <sbalneav> So it's either a bug in compiz
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| 14:21 | <ogra> intel i guess
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| 14:22 | <sbalneav> or it's a bug in xorg that's not reporting something right to compiz
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| 14:22 | <ogra> i810 and 915resolution might probably do better
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| 14:22 | <dniel> vagrantc: whait!!!
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| 14:22 | <sbalneav> maybe
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| 14:22 | <ogra> well, thats what we used in feisty in seville on the classmate ...
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| 14:23 | <sbalneav> He doesn't need the 915 resolution, right? It just will default to 1024x768
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| 14:23 | so changing the "intel" driver to i810 would be the last thing to try.
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| 14:23 | <ogra> i think compiz expects it, not sure
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| 14:23 | <sbalneav> in the xorg.conf
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| 14:23 | <vagrantc> dniel: what what? :)
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| 14:24 | <dniel> vagrantc: i put in ldm my username and my pass of my linux (of the server) and now it work!!!
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| 14:24 | <vagrantc> dniel: ah, good :)
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| 14:24 | <sbalneav> AFAIK, 915 just makes sure that for odd resolutions (1400x900 or whatever) it reads the right info from the chip
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| 14:24 | <joebob777as7> so should i change xorg back to i810?
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| 14:24 | <sbalneav> without it, things work, but maybe at the wrong res.
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| 14:24 | <ogra> sbalneav, i dont think glx is enabled if the resolution isnt proper
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| 14:24 | <sbalneav> really?
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| 14:24 | <vagrantc> i wonder if we shouldn't generate ssh_known_hosts on boot instead of on chroot creation
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| 14:24 | <sbalneav> That I'm not aware of.
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| 14:24 | <vagrantc> then the ip address would always be correct.
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| 14:25 | <ogra> vagrantc, well, you could grab my if-up.d script
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| 14:25 | <vagrantc> ogra: oh, we have it ...
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| 14:25 | <ogra> hmm
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| 14:25 | <vagrantc> ogra: but it still seems like there are occasional situations where it gets messed up
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| 14:25 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:26 | <vagrantc> ogra: opposed to generating on boot instead ?
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| 14:26 | <dniel> vagrantc: but i put my user and my pass of my user (of the server). I didn't put the user and pass of the user of /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 14:26 | <vagrantc> dniel: correct!
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| 14:26 | <dniel> | |
| 14:26 | <ogra> vagrantc, well, then we'd need an initscript ...
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| 14:26 | <vagrantc> dniel: no usa usarios de /opt/ltsp/i386 ... usa usarios del servidor
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| 14:27 | ogra: well, we still have two init scripts, as far as i can see
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| 14:27 | <dniel> vagrantc: jajajaja! I didn't know that!!!!!!!!
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| 14:27 | <ogra> on the server ?
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| 14:27 | <dniel> vagrantc: ohhh! I'm very happy!
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc> ogra: no, generating it on boot of the thin-client
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| 14:28 | ogra: then you can be fairly certain what ip address your server has.
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| 14:28 | <Q-FUNK> yippee! dbe62 prototypes have arrived! :D
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| 14:28 | <vagrantc> eeyk. i gotta watch the time and eat some food before heading to work :)
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| 14:28 | <dniel> vagrantc: so why I had to install an other linux in /opt/ltsp/i386?
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| 14:29 | <joebob777as7> be back in 20
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| 14:29 | <dniel> vagrantc: because finally i'm using the linux of the server?
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| 14:30 | <vagrantc> dniel: it's just a simple linux install that you then can boot from the network with ... and then log into the server to run your applications
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| 14:31 | <dniel> vagrantc: ohh! ok. Now I understand!
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> dniel: it is possible to just boot from the network, and run all applications on the thin-client, but that requires a little more work.
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| 14:31 | <sbalneav> dniel: When I explained it to you yesterday, you said you understood then too :)
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| 14:32 | <dniel> sbalneav: because I was understanding something bad :)
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| 14:34 | vagrantc: and... is equal to run the commando ltsp-build-client that to download the tarball of debian?
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| 14:35 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: are you gonna be at that german ubuntuconf in october?
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| 14:35 | <vagrantc> dniel: yes, except the tarball is very out of date.
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| 14:35 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, unlikely
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| 14:36 | * vagrantc prods jammcq | |
| 14:36 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, probably spontaneous as a guest ...
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| 14:37 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: I was wondering if we could meet there. I would take back the two samples and give you a production unit in exchange.
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| 14:37 | <dniel> vagrantc: because the tarball work in my thin client and my linux generated whit ltsp-build-client don't work
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| 14:37 | :)
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| 14:38 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, i have to look up the dates ... the time between release and UDS is always my only relaxation time during a release
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| 14:39 | so i'm very careful with that 10 days (or whatever it is this time) to plan any events
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| 14:39 | <Q-FUNK> ok
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| 14:39 | october 20-21, IIRC
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| 14:39 | I myself was thinking to drop by on the 20th.
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| 14:40 | <dniel> vagrantc: and i don't see any diference!
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| 14:41 | but that does not matter so far. I am very happy :)
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| 14:41 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, didnt you plan to come to boston ? i thought i saw your name somewhere on the wikipage
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| 14:41 | <Q-FUNK> nope
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| 14:42 | I avoid USA for as long as they have the homeland ridicule act.
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| 14:42 | <dniel> vagrantc, sbalneav and ogra: very thanks for the help!!!
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| 14:43 | * ogra got some pizza to the beer ... | |
| 14:43 | * ogra goes dinnering | |
| 14:45 | <dniel> ogra: provecho!
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| 14:45 | <ogra> thanks :)
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| 14:55 | <dniel> I will back on the night! good bye!
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| 14:57 | byes!
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| 15:02 | <Q-FUNK> does anyone have news from Gadi, btw?
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| 15:16 | <sbalneav> Was something up with Gadi?
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| 15:19 | <Q-FUNK> I just haven't seen him around in a while.
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| 15:20 | he was also interested in ordering cutomized thincans from us, at one point, but i haven't heard from him since then.
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| 15:25 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: Jim, Jim... Xorg7 on LTSP 4.2 working in a very kludgy way...
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| 15:25 | jammcq: But working...
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| 15:27 | <joebob777as7> ogra, so should i grab a couple more test systems?
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| 15:28 | <sbalneav> He's out to dinner.
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| 15:29 | <joebob777as7> oh ok. well do you think that will help us sbalneav ?
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| 15:29 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Oh, it's a very important schadule...
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| 15:36 | <sbalneav> joebob777as7: Maybe, but I doubt it.
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| 15:36 | <joebob777as7> so we've ruled out intel issue?
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| 15:36 | I have some nvidia boxes...
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| 15:36 | <sbalneav> I don't think we've ruled out anything
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| 15:37 | <joebob777as7> except for xorg issue.
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| 15:37 | <sbalneav> I don't think we've ruled out anything
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| 15:37 | <joebob777as7> lol
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| 15:38 | <sbalneav> The only thing we've managed to confirm is what I told you two days ago. Remote X + compiz = broken.
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| 15:38 | Because no one's seriously tested it.
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| 15:38 | <sbalneav> Not us.
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| 15:38 | not compiz
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| 15:38 | not no one.
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| 15:41 | <cliebow> nohow
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| 15:41 | <sbalneav> I'll see if I can put something together tonight, and take a look at it, and TRY to add some useful hints to the bug report.
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| 15:41 | <joebob777as7> i appreciate it.
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| 15:44 | <sbalneav> However, one way or the other, I doubt this is going to get fixed quicly.
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| 15:44 | <sbalneav> so, either tell your boss compiz is a no-go, and stick with ltsp, or install full workstations.
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| 15:45 | <joebob777as7> well for now i'll test opensuse and xdmcp out...
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| 15:45 | i have enough boxes
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| 16:08 | <joebob777as7> just saw the new ltsp manager looks sexy
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| 16:17 | * jammcq can't imagine why compiz would be a requirement for anybody | |
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| 16:21 | <joebob777as7> in enhanced zoom desktop i believe it's enable focus tracking.
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| 16:21 | oops... wrong chan
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| 16:33 | <sbalneav> Heading home
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| 16:33 | <joebob777as7> ttyl sbalneav
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| 16:52 | <Lumiere> I could understand compiz on a demo box
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| 16:53 | that you were showing off a product in
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| 19:17 | <Ryudo> hi all i find good coumentation for ltsp5 impletation wich ubuntu heres is : http://www.azzena.it/doku.php?id=thin_client_ltsp_ubuntu_7.04
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| 19:43 | <sbalneav> Back on, by the way
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| 20:29 | <jammcq> helloooooo
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| 20:57 | <dtrask> helloooooo jammcq
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| 20:58 | <jammcq> hey david
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| 20:58 | <dtrask> got my email....going to Boston....Matt too
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| 20:59 | :-)
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| 20:59 | I get to drive too
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| 20:59 | in fact headed down Sunday for Yankees-Sox game
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| 21:00 | <jammcq> cool
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| 21:02 | <dtrask> in lts.conf....whatever is set for SCREEN_07 will start first...right?
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| 21:05 | <hersonls> help me with Integrating LTSP-5 into my favorite Linux distro
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| 21:06 | <sbalneav> Whats your distro?
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| 21:06 | <hersonls> slackware
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| 21:08 | i download the ltsp-build-client, but not work
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| 21:08 | i'm brazilian
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| 21:08 | <sbalneav> Yep. You'll have some work to do.
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| 21:09 | <hersonls> ?
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| 21:10 | <hersonls> how?
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| 21:11 | <sbalneav> Start by with a bzr checkout of the ltsp source on launchpad. Then you'll have to write plugins for the ltsp-build-client to handle peculiarities of slackware.
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| 21:11 | What does slackware use for bootstrapping the OS in a chroot?
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| 21:12 | Plus, you'll need to get the distro team involved in helping you make changes to the initramfs that slackware uses to boot.
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| 21:12 | <sbalneav> Does P. Volkerding still do it all himself?
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| 21:13 | Or is there a distro team now for Slackware?
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| 21:13 | <hersonls> sorry, but i dont good in english
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| 21:13 | but
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| 21:14 | i copy plugins for /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/
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| 21:14 | and ./ltsp-build-client and no work
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| 21:14 | <sbalneav> You're going to need more than that
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| 21:14 | lots more
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| 21:15 | <hersonls> i need edit the plugins?
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| 21:15 | <sbalneav> Debian used dboostrap to build the chroot. What does slackware use?
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| 21:15 | <hersonls> wait
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| 21:15 | i looking for
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| 21:18 | bootstrap is the lilo
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| 21:18 | is this?
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| 21:18 | boot manager
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| 21:20 | sbalneav: ?
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| 21:23 | <sbalneav> no
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| 21:24 | dbootstrap is a tool for installin the operating system inside of a chroot.
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| 21:24 | <hersonls> ow ow
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| 21:24 | i make this
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| 21:24 | i install in /opt/ltsp/slackware
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| 21:27 | <sbalneav> hersonls: it's taken us a year's worth of work to get it well integrated into Ubuntu/Debian. It will be a big job.
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| 21:27 | You'll need to get a team of people interested in doing. People who have skills in packaging, shell scripting, and the C programming language.
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| 21:28 | <hersonls> ok
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| 21:28 | i have
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| 21:28 | some friend make one this
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| 21:28 | <sbalneav> you have what?
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| 21:28 | <hersonls> i have friend
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