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Channel log from 12 January 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:29 | <effenberg> is there still a quicklink to that damn missing rdesktop.sh file in debian oldstable?
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| 15:19 | <ncom0pl> Hello everyone. I'm trying to set up LTSP to work with HP T5520 thin clients that have a VIA "VT8623 [Apollo CLE266] integrated CastleRock graphics [1106:3122]"
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| 15:21 | The problem is that the client hangs after a while since logging in to the X session on Ubuntu 12.04.
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| 15:22 | The output of `lspci -k` is "Kernel modules: vt8623fb, viafb"
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| 15:22 | I've googled this chip and it is common to have issues with it on linux.
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| 15:23 | What I've found is that it was working OK on an ancient Ubuntu version 7.04.
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| 15:24 | <ncom0pl> And now I'm trying to either build a 7.04 chroot or maybe use some oher driver on the current release.
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| 15:25 | But I get errors when building even not-so-ancient release 10.04...
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| 15:26 | There is a bug report related to that issue here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/1048699
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| 15:27 | <alkisg> ncom0pl: is 7.04 the last version that's working ok? 8.04 would be a much better candidate, with it being an LTS release...
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| 15:28 | <ncom0pl> I'm not sure, I havent tested but what I've found googling around is that 7.04 was OK, and then with 7.10 upwards it was getting worse.
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| 15:29 | <alkisg> OK... see my reply to the link you pasted for what went wrong in that bug report
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| 15:29 | <ncom0pl> Yeah, I just noticed it's your reply.
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| 15:30 | So it's preety much the only way to build the chroot using an older release?
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| 15:30 | And then transfer it to my 12.04.
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| 15:31 | <alkisg> Nope, just don't use NBD, use NFS
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| 15:33 | You could also try a debian squeeze chroot, it's a bit old but still supported and it might work fine
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| 15:34 | <ncom0pl> Also, when I'm trying to build 10.04 I get the dpkg error, but when I try to build any older release, it just can't find the release...
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| 15:34 | I'll see if squeeze builds fine.
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| 15:37 | Hmm, in order to build client with a release specified in --dist, I have to add the release repos to my server's sources.list, is that correct?
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| 15:54 | No, that's incorrect, but I've managed to make it work with --mirror.
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> ncom0pl: some older ubuntu releases are now only archived so their mirrors have changed, you need to google for the new mirrors
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| 15:57 | E.g. archive.ubuntu.com or something
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| 15:58 | The advantage with the squeeze chroot is that it's maintained a lot more, e.g. you can install a newer nbd version there, newer even than what 12.04 has
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| 15:59 | <ncom0pl> Yeah, I just like Ubuntu because...well I'm lazy and it's a lot more easy to use out of the box so to speak, but debian always seems more stable.
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| 15:59 | Damn it, those errors again...
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| 15:59 | "chroot: failed to run command `locale-gen': No such file or directory"
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| 16:00 | <alkisg> If you have a VM, download the 7.04 alternate CD, as it contains the packages to install AND build a chroot
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| 16:01 | It'll at least allow you to see if the client works fine, with the VM server
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| 16:01 | Before going through the necessary workarounds to match the old chroot with your newer versioned server...
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| 16:03 | <ncom0pl> I'll definitely try that, I'm downloading the iso right now.
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| 16:04 | But in the meantime I'm trying to build squeeze, any help on that "chroot: failed to run command `locale-gen': No such file or directory" error?
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| 16:06 | <alkisg> Is locale-gen available in your chroot?
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| 16:06 | ls /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/locale-gen
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| 16:07 | <ncom0pl> The chroot that I'm building, right? 'Cause I also used --chroot squeeze-i386
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| 16:07 | <alkisg> Yes, the one you're building
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| 16:08 | <ncom0pl> Nope, "".
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| 16:08 | ls: cannot access /opt/ltsp/squeeze-i386/usr/sbin/locale-gen: No such file or directory
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| 16:09 | <alkisg> cat /opt/ltsp/squeeze-i386/etc/issue
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| 16:09 | <ncom0pl> Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l
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| 16:10 | <alkisg> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/squeeze-i386 dpkg -l
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| 16:10 | And pastebin that
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| 16:12 | Btw, you didn't use --copy-sources-list, right?
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| 16:12 | What was your ltsp-build-client command line?
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| 16:13 | <ncom0pl> I didn't.
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| 16:13 | sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --dist squeeze --chroot squeeze-i386 --mirror http://ftp.task.gda.pl/debian/
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| 16:16 | http://pastebin.com/kBUwXYyt
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| 16:16 | So should I use --copy-sources-list?
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| 16:18 | <alkisg> No, no you shouldn't
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| 17:14 | <lns_> Hey all, long time no chat =) My LTSP Term 1220 is experiencing this bug for a while now on Debian Jesse.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome/+bug/1097732 - anyone have a quick fix for this? I'm going to try 24-bit resolution but i'm running it on 100Mb/s link so it'll probably slow down like the OP.
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| 17:49 | <alkisg> Hi lns_! Maybe use an older xorg driver? Or, a wheezy chroot?
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| 18:11 | <lns_> hey alkisg =) actually, changing x_color_depth=24 worked and didn't really slow down (even with flash video =) ) Hope everyone in here is doing well! What's the status of good WMs for LTSP? I moved to KDE on my desktop and I know gnome3 is pretty unusable..any first contenders, or is it still up to xfce/lxde/etc?
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| 18:14 | <alkisg> gnome-flashback, mate-desktop, xfce, lxde..
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| 18:43 | <lns> Ah, didn't know about gnome-flashback project, cool.
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| 19:28 | <ncom0pl> "E: Couldn't find package linux-image-386" while ltsp-build-client on andcient Ubuntu 7.04. Any ideas?
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| 19:29 | <alkisg> ncom0pl: with the alternate cd, you boot with it, and press f4 in the initial isolinux screen, and select "install an ltsp server"
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| 19:29 | That uses the cd as the source, so that you don't need to locate the archive.ubuntu.com mirrors..
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| 19:30 | <ncom0pl> Aahhh, okay, thanks :).
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| 19:30 | <lns> ncom0pl, why are you using such an old version of Ubuntu?
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| 19:31 | <alkisg> lns: exactly the same issue as you :)
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| 19:31 | openchrome drivers :D
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| 19:32 | <ncom0pl> lol
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| 19:32 | Hey there :)
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| 19:34 | <lns> Hahaha =)
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| 20:02 | <ncom0pl> alkisg: Is this a command line option to install ltsp server in the isolinux menu?
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| 20:02 | 'Cause I can't seem to find it...
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| 20:04 | Aside of resolution modes, language, keymap, theres only F6(Normal/Expert Mode)
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| 20:12 | <roottoo> I did ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 20:13 | still get: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure
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| 20:13 | so ldm does not start
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| 20:25 | <alkisg> ncom0pl: http://www.linuxjournal.com/files/linuxjournal.com/linuxjournal/articles/105/10545/10545f1.jpg
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| 20:25 | ncom0pl: the *alternate* cd, ok?
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| 20:25 | roottoo: ldm doesn't start because of authentication issues? or do you mean the user cannot login?
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| 20:28 | <ncom0pl> alkisg: I did download an alternate cd, but there's video mode selection under F4 in the menu, strange.
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| 20:29 | <alkisg> Maybe it's some other Fx key and I don't remember well? It's been years...
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| 20:32 | <ncom0pl> Yeah, but F1 is help, F2 is Lang, F3 is Keymap, F4 VGA, F5 Accesibility, and F6 Normal/Expert mode
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| 20:33 | <alkisg> ncom0pl: ah, is that the ubuntu or the edubuntu cd?
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| 20:33 | * alkisg doesn't remember which one had it | |
| 20:34 | <ncom0pl> Right! Of course edubuntu had it, I even remember reading abut it...
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| 20:34 | But I downloaded ubuntu.
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| 20:34 | Thanks.
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| 20:36 | It's called "classroom server CD".
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| 20:40 | <roottoo> Jan 12 21:38:42 fx4100 sshd[4871]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=via1000 user=arne
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| 20:40 | Jan 12 21:38:45 fx4100 sshd[4871]: Failed password for username from 192.168.1.3 port 37822 ssh2
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| 20:41 | <alkisg> That means that the password is wrong, not that ldm doesn't start...
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| 21:06 | <alkisg> (10:41:48 μμ) alkisg: That means that the password is wrong, not that ldm doesn't start...
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| 21:17 | <roottoo> the password is correct, and you are right, ldm does start
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| 21:18 | <alkisg> Which distro/version is that?
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| 21:49 | <thyyrr> can someone tell me if I run a LTSP server on a notebook can I run a session within it? my use case would be a notebook connected to a tv via HDMI outputing a XBMC session and in other room a raspberry pi as a thin client. would it be possible or I need other route?
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| 21:50 | <ncom0pl> Isn't RPi powerful enough to run XMBC on it's own?
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| 21:52 | <thyyrr> for a small library yes. but as the library gets bigger there is too much lag. and I plan to get more raspberry pis for using in other rooms (serve the whole family) and even upgrade my server to a full desktop
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| 21:57 | <ncom0pl> So you want to run a server on your notebook, and also a client connecting to it on the same notebook?
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| 21:58 | <thyyrr> yes
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| 21:59 | <ncom0pl> You could probably set up a VM on the notebook that would act as a client.
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| 22:00 | But I'm an LTSP noob myself, so there might be a better way of doing this.
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| 22:01 | * alkisg uses DLNA to send his library directly on TVs... :) | |
| 22:02 | <thyyrr> Hummmm, Thanks anyway. I'll keep looking, but so far I have found nothing.
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| 22:02 | My TV does not support DLNA =/
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| 22:02 | <alkisg> Streaming uncompressed HD content needs more than 1 gbps
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| 22:02 | Do you have 10 gpbs network at home? :)
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| 22:02 | Nope, so you need to send compressed video...
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| 22:04 | * ncom0pl scratches his head | |
| 22:05 | <ncom0pl> alkisg: Do you think I can use a single NIC setup on Ubuntu 7.04?
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| 22:05 | <alkisg> thyyrr: 1920×1080×30×32 = 1.990.656.000 => 2 gpbs to stream true hd at 30 fps
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| 22:05 | ncom0pl: sure
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| 22:06 | <thyyrr> I don't plan to stream videos, music or anything to the RPi. The RPi client would be for webrowsing
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| 22:06 | <alkisg> Why do you want to netboot it?
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| 22:06 | <ncom0pl> Cause during the installation it said there were not enough interfaces, and pointed me to the dhcpd.conf to configure it manually.
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| 22:06 | <alkisg> thyyrr: It can be done with ltsp, some people here have done it
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| 22:07 | ncom0pl: yup it's nothing hard you just edit that file
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| 22:08 | <ncom0pl> Just wasn't sure if it was going to work with single NIC on an ancient version.
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| 22:08 | One way to find out :)>
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| 22:08 | <alkisg> It's nothing critical, just a warning that dhcpd.conf needs to be edited
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| 22:09 | <thyyrr> alkisg: because I'll use it to programming (in x86 and x64) sometimes and I don't know a way to test x86 programs on the RPi or if it will have the power to compile things smoothly
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| 22:10 | <alkisg> thyyrr: netbooting is a different thing from remote desktop
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| 22:10 | You can have remote desktop with remote X, with x2go, with vnc etc, or remote console with ssh, screen etc etc
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| 22:10 | If you want to netboot it, sure, it can be done with ltsp
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| 22:10 | And it can support localapps/remoteapps (on the x86 server) etc
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| 22:18 | <thyyrr> alkisg: thanks for the info, I'll look more in what you said. I think I got what I need to do what I want
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| 22:26 | <roottoo> I found out my ltsp.conf had errors
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| 22:27 | running ltsp-config lts.conf did the job
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| 22:29 | <roottoo> not sure which error caused the problem
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| 22:31 | <ncom0pl> How do I stop/disable an LTSP server running on a machine?
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| 22:34 | Oh, I just stop the DHCP server.
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