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Channel log from 10 August 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:31 | <vagrantc> !seen nubae
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| 03:35 | <alkisg> Heh... maybe he completely moved to kiwi-ltsp and forgot all about us :D
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| 03:36 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 03:37 | <alkisg> (opensuse is surely sweet for education)
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| 03:49 | <vagrantc> well, off to sevilla, nubae or no...
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| 04:29 | <kesou_> hello
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| 04:30 | i have installed ltsp5 on ubuntu 9.04 and gimp is very slow
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| 04:30 | i thied to comile gimp 2.7 and i have the same issue
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| 04:31 | can someone help please
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| 06:55 | <kesou_> i have installed ltsp5 on ubuntu 9.04 and gimp is very slow
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| 06:55 | can u help
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| 07:09 | <alkisg> kesou_: you could try with LDM_DIRECTX=true in lts.conf, or you could try installing a patched libxcb that fixes a delay problem by putting stgraber's ppa in your sources.list: https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
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| 07:17 | <kesou_> thanks
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| 07:18 | i already disabled directx
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| 07:18 | x encryption
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| 07:18 | the pb only aucur with gimp
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| 07:18 | and unfortunaly it's the application that we use the moste :(
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| 07:19 | i tried to install gimp in local app and it's work fine but no with our office application
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| 07:20 | i will try libxb patch
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| 07:27 | <alkisg> Also the network speed affects ltsp performance a lot. Gigabit at least from server <=> switch is required...
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| 07:58 | <kesou_> thanks u alkisg it's now working fine with an update of libxcb
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| 07:58 | <alkisg> kesou_: nice, I didn't know that gimp was among the affected apps.
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| 07:59 | <kesou_> it's the only app that encure this slowness effect
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| 08:00 | we use ltsp since ubuntu 8.10 and it's à great product
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| 08:00 | <alkisg> I had a problem with the firefox right click that was solved with the updated libxcb
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| 08:00 | <kesou_> i have this pb too
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| 08:00 | but it's not important for us
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| 08:00 | <alkisg> It should be solved after the update
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| 08:00 | <kesou_> i:)
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| 08:00 | great
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| 08:01 | i can confirm that it's solve this error
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| 08:01 | too$
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| 08:09 | <NeonLicht> nubae, are you around?
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| 08:10 | <nubae> I am
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| 08:10 | <NeonLicht> nubae, have you already spoken with vagrantc? He's on his way from Granada to Sevilla now, and he was worried he wasn't going to meet you there.
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| 08:11 | <nubae> I wrote him an email, and gave him my phone number
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| 08:11 | I'll be around :-)
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| 08:11 | <NeonLicht> Excellent :-)
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| 08:13 | <garymc> Hi guys i need some help
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| 08:13 | <alkisg> !ask
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| 08:13 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "ask" is Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 08:13 | <garymc> I installed Ubuntu 9.04 server alternate
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| 08:14 | now when I run my setup database scripts for Mysql I cant find the tables or columns in the database I created
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| 08:14 | <nubae> lol
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| 08:14 | <garymc> also now when I add a time stamp, it say 1st January 197
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| 08:14 | 1970
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| 08:15 | cos I got all my php stuff to work in fedora 10 LTSP setup
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| 08:42 | <vagrantc> !seen nubae
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| 08:42 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: nubae was last seen in #ltsp 27 minutes and 40 seconds ago: <nubae> lol
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| 08:42 | <vagrantc> that looks a lot better!
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| 08:44 | <alkisg> vagrantc: (04:09:17 μμ) nubae: I wrote him an email, and gave him my phone number
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| 08:45 | * vagrantc will check email and try to figure out spanish phones | |
| 08:45 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, <nubae> I wrote him an email, and gave him my phone number
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| 08:45 | <nubae> I'll be around :-)
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| 08:45 | ltsp messaging service at it's best :)
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| 08:45 | <alkisg> Heh
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| 08:47 | <NeonLicht> Hey, vagrantc! nubae's told me he's sent you an email with his phone number!
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| 08:52 | <vagrantc> yay!
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| 08:55 | <NeonLicht> Remember that PC I was trying to netboot into LTSP I told you about? You suggested me to memtest the RAM and make sure it didn't have two nicks and the kernel wasn't trying to boot from the wrong one. Well, it was exactly that, I've unabled it on the SETUP and it has booted LTSP fine! :-)
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| 08:55 | <vagrantc> NeonLicht: it's almost like i've been doing this for a while or something :)
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| 08:55 | <NeonLicht> hahaha
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| 08:56 | <Lumiere> vagrantc: you've been around as long as I have... probably longer ;)
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| 09:13 | <nubae> vagrantc, greetings... I take it u found a terminal.... at the hostel?
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| 09:13 | <vagrantc> nubae: hi!
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| 09:13 | nubae: yes
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| 09:13 | <NeonLicht> Hi nubae, vagrantc, nice to see you finally together XDD
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| 09:14 | <vagrantc> my internet connection doesn't seem to work well with much but irc
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| 09:17 | <rjune_wrk> !o
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| 09:17 | <ltspbot> rjune_wrk: "o" is o is for ogra!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:23 | <garymc> Hi peeps, anyone tell me if im installing the correct packages for UBUNTU 9.04 LTSP
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| 09:23 | install php5 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server
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| 09:23 | I need to build a mysql database and use it on the server edition
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| 09:23 | <bieb> Gadi: Morning
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| 09:23 | <vagrantc> garymc: those packages don't have much of anything to do with LTSP...
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| 09:24 | <jkenney_> what anti-virus do you recommend on LTSP its for PCI compliance
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| 09:24 | <garymc> I know that, just i first used k12 linux for LTSP and some people told me the ubuntu version was much better
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| 09:24 | so I swapped to that
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| 09:24 | <ogra> garymc, sudo tasksel
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| 09:25 | garymc, pick the lamp server task
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| 09:25 | <garymc> Now I cant get the stuff to work like I could on K12 Linux
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| 09:25 | <ogra> hey rjune_wrk
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| 09:26 | <bieb> ogra: nice... I had never seen tasksel before
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| 09:26 | <ogra> its older than ubuntu :)
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| 09:26 | but wasnt used much until dapper afaik
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| 09:26 | <garymc> i will take a look in a min
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| 09:26 | <ogra> today we use it everywhere
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| 09:26 | <garymc> Hey bieb it was you he helped me install ubuntu server
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| 09:26 | <bieb> looks useful though
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| 09:26 | yep
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| 09:26 | <garymc> why am i now having trouble using Mysql etc
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| 09:27 | <alkisg> ogra: why? how's it better than using a meta package?
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| 09:27 | <garymc> is ubuntu so differnt to fedora?
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| 09:27 | <bieb> garymc: like ogra said.. run the tasksel and make sure LAMP is installed correctly
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| 09:28 | <garymc> ok well i decided to re install ubuntu cos I picked an option that i never used before
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| 09:28 | <bieb> what option was that?
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| 09:28 | <garymc> it was Encrypt Home folder or something
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| 09:29 | <bieb> yeah dont pick that one
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| 09:29 | <garymc> yeah so im re installing
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| 09:29 | <bieb> ok
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| 09:29 | <garymc> would that screw with it
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| 09:29 | <bieb> shouldn't but you dont need the home dir encrypted..
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| 09:29 | <garymc> what doe sthat do?
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| 09:30 | apart from the obvious
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| 09:30 | <bieb> the recommendation is to "not" encrypt it
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| 09:30 | <garymc> well i havnt this time
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| 09:30 | just waiting for it to install so I can get back on it
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| 09:31 | <ogra> alkisg, tasks have way less maintenace
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| 09:32 | <alkisg> Mmmm....
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| 09:32 | <ogra> alkisg, and if you install with a metapackage that package gets removed once you remove a depending package
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| 09:33 | <alkisg> OK that I can understand
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| 09:33 | <ogra> which a) confuses the hell out of users (why is my ubuntu-desktop removed if i remove totem in favour of mplayer)
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| 09:33 | and b) requires that you install the metapackage again before a dist-upgrade
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| 09:34 | a task always operates on tags in the package metadata
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| 09:34 | so doesnt need special additional stuff
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| 09:34 | <alkisg> The problem with tasks is that they don't have as much infrastructure as metapackages. E.g. I can't create a task and upload it to my ppa...
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| 09:35 | <vagrantc> you can create a package which creates a task
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| 09:36 | <alkisg> Wouldn't it be better if ubuntu-desktop didn't depend on totem but suggested totem? (| other players?)
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| 09:36 | <ogra> it recommends totem nowadays
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| 09:36 | * vagrantc prefers metapackages with appropriate recommends over tasksel | |
| 09:36 | <vagrantc> although they pretty much have the same sort of problem- they don't really ensure *everything* is installed
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| 09:36 | <ogra> so you can remove it withut pulling out ubuntu-desktop
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| 09:36 | right
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| 09:38 | <NeonLicht> I agree, vagrantc, and tasks install huge ammount of packages, usually, don't they? I prefer to install only what I need/want to use
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| 09:38 | <alkisg> Similarly, couldn't `apt-get install lamp-server` recommend some packages so that the user could remove them later, like he can do with tasks?
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| 09:38 | <ogra> sudo apt-get install lamp-server^
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| 09:38 | that uses the task
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| 09:39 | <vagrantc> NeonLicht: it depends on the task
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| 09:39 | <ogra> or sudo tasksel install lamp-server
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| 09:39 | same result
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| 09:40 | <alkisg> Yeah, I meant if a package "lamp-server" existed, that would do the same things the "lamp-server" task does.
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| 09:40 | <ogra> not necessarily
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| 09:40 | the package really requires that you add the dep
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| 09:41 | while the task would look at the specific packages that have the tag
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| 09:41 | apt-cache show totem|grep Task
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| 09:41 | so here the task data comes from the dependent package
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| 09:41 | <alkisg> I don't know... so to create my-desktop Task, I'd have to modify the totem package?
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| 09:41 | <ogra> while a metapackage enforces you to maintain a dependency list
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| 09:42 | right
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| 09:42 | <alkisg> I don't really like that idea :)
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| 09:42 | <ogra> well, in ubuntu you wouldnt since we use seed lists anyway
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| 09:42 | and germinate generates the tasklists
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| 09:43 | <vagrantc> there are multiple ways you can define tasks ... tasks entries in Packages are just one way
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| 09:43 | <ogra> but debian doesnt use germinate, you would have to maintain the tags specifically
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| 09:43 | <vagrantc> unless it's changed a lot... haven't looked into it much
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| 09:43 | <ogra> or a .spec file
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| 09:44 | <alkisg> I just fail to see a solid need for tasks to exist that (meta)packages can't somehow cover. I appreciate all the explaining, though.
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| 09:47 | <rjune_wrk> What subsystem plays GNOME startup sounds?
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| 09:48 | is it pulseaudio directly?
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| 09:52 | * alkisg would guess that it would use whatever the user has set as the default gnome output device (gnome-sound-properties) | |
| 09:57 | <garymc> ogra: how do I select LAMP in taskel?
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| 09:58 | im trying to select it but dont know how
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| 09:58 | <ogra> use your cursor keys
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| 09:59 | <garymc> yeah im doing that but what do i press to select it?
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| 09:59 | <alkisg> garymc: space
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| 09:59 | <garymc> jsut go tit
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| 09:59 | sorry
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| 09:59 | just got it
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| 10:00 | <jkenney_> What is the best way for me to have LTSP use a network share for the home directories
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| 10:00 | good morning BTW
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| 10:02 | <garymc> ogra: is that all i need to do foro the php and mysql and apache stuff?
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| 10:02 | <ogra> to get it installed, yes
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| 10:03 | <garymc> will they be started? or do i need to start them by service apache2 start etc
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| 10:03 | <jkenney_> (can anyone see me ) :)
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| 10:03 | <garymc> jkenny_ i cant see you ;)
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| 10:03 | <ogra> garymc, by default any server package you install in an ubuntu/debian system has to be started immediately after install in a default configuration
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| 10:04 | (thats policy)
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| 10:04 | <garymc> will that make it start after reboot?
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| 10:04 | once i start it that is
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| 10:04 | <ogra> yes
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| 10:04 | <garymc> ok cool
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| 10:04 | thanks
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| 10:04 | <ogra> you dont need to start it
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| 10:04 | apt does that immediately after install
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| 10:04 | <garymc> ok
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| 10:04 | so i dont need to do nothing but setup mysql database now?
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| 10:05 | dont you find that adobe flash doesnt work so well in ubuntu?
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| 10:06 | <ogra> indeed you need to set up your databases etc, it only comes up in default configuration
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| 10:07 | i.e. if you go to http://localhost/ after installing apache there will only be default content
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| 10:07 | you still need to adjust it to your special needs
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| 10:08 | but that whole conversation really doesnt belong into this channel
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| 10:08 | #ubuntu-server woud be the appropriate place
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| 10:08 | *would
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| 10:08 | <garymc> yeah thanks ogra
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| 10:13 | im trying to add users to my LTSP in ubuntu 9.04 and it says "you are not allowed access to the system configuration"
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| 10:13 | Iam running security updates at min could that be the problem?
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| 10:21 | <bieb> is there a way to have the clients auto-logout after X amount of idle time?
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| 10:29 | <alkisg> bieb: and what should it do if the user had e.g. a document opened in openoffice, but not saved?
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| 10:31 | <bieb> alkisg: to be honest.. we dont give them server storage space, this will be the first time they get any. in the past (at other schools) we just close the document, no save... then they get the idea to logout in the future.
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| 10:32 | alkisg: this is so a student doesnt bogart a machine by opening a document and leaving to have lunch
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| 10:32 | <alkisg> Heh... well I don't think it would be hard to write a "logout" screen saver and use e.g. gconf to force it for all users
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| 10:32 | <_UsUrPeR__> morning all
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| 10:32 | <bieb> morning _UsUrPeR_
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| 10:32 | <NeonLicht> evening almost, here :)
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| 10:33 | <_UsUrPeR__> is the nomenclature for limiting a single session in lts.conf as follows? LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION = True
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| 10:33 | <bieb> alkisg: do you know of any "logout" screen savers currently?
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| 10:33 | <_UsUrPeR__> If so, it does not appear to be working properly :P
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| 10:35 | <alkisg> bieb: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4194287&postcount=4
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| 10:37 | <bieb> so that just gives the logout option?
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| 10:40 | alkisg: this would be perfect.. if it was for gnome... http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/automatic-logout-after-inactivity-from-kde-293680/
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| 10:51 | <garymc> So anyone know why I cant add users in my UBUNTU Server LTSP ?
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| 10:51 | its not asking me for password or nothing
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| 10:51 | I cant unlock either?
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| 10:52 | <vagrantc> while people are generally helpful here, that's probably more appropriate for #ubuntu
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| 10:52 | <ogra> vagrantc, well, its an ltsp bug
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| 10:52 | <bieb> when you attempt to unlock, does it ask for password?
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| 10:52 | <vagrantc> oh, really?
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| 10:52 | i stand corrected. :)
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| 10:52 | <ogra> garymc, do it either directly on the server desktop or use adduser
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| 10:52 | <vagrantc> garymc: apologies :
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| 10:52 | :)
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| 10:53 | <ogra> vagrantc, all newer maintenance tools use polkit .... which in turn needs access to the system dbus on the client, which we dont have
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| 10:53 | <vagrantc> ogra: oh, fun.
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| 10:53 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:53 | will get worse in the future
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| 10:53 | * vagrantc just spent the last week fighting with getting newer X working with hal | |
| 10:53 | <ogra> thats the reason i'm pushing for dbus forwarding since ages
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| 10:54 | <_UsUrPeR__> ogra: any hints on LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION?
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| 10:54 | <garymc> ogra: im doing that it wont let me
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| 10:54 | <ogra> device ACLs and sessions generally might start using polkit
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| 10:54 | <vagrantc> of course, i hear hal is on it's way out in favor of moving more into udev
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| 10:54 | <ogra> _UsUrPeR_, Gadi's child, i never used it myself, it should just work though
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| 10:54 | vagrantc, right and udev will start using polkit as well
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| 10:55 | garymc, you are sitting on the server directly ? using the servers keyboard, mouse and monitor ?
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| 10:55 | <garymc> nope, but I could do it on this thin client before
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| 10:55 | * ogra strongly doubts that | |
| 10:55 | <vagrantc> ogra: oh boy...
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| 10:56 | <garymc> I adde dloads of test accounts from a thin client
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| 10:56 | <vagrantc> ogra: this doesn't sound like fun for LTSP...
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| 10:56 | <ogra> vagrantc, yeah, shiny new wrld
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| 10:56 | well, its all fine if we ever get the dbus link working
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| 10:56 | <vagrantc> right
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| 10:56 | hrm.
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| 10:57 | <ogra> prob is to make the session ignore the servers system bus, forwarding shouldnt be hard, there are implementations over ssh
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| 10:58 | <vagrantc> oooh. we could shunt one more thing through the ssh tunnel!
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| 10:58 | might make LDM_DIRECTX ... *really* difficult.
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| 10:59 | * vagrantc wonders how long till it hits debian | |
| 10:59 | <vagrantc> the X requiring hal just recently surfaced in sid ...
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| 11:00 | <ogra> its gone in ubuntu already :P
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| 11:00 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 11:00 | <ogra> totally moving to xinput and udev
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| 11:00 | no hal inbetween
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| 11:00 | but a hell lot of new runse if you want to configure anything
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| 11:00 | *runes
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| 11:01 | <jkenney_> Hello when i do a apt-get package on the LTSP server do i have to rebuild the image to ensure the application shows up on the thin client
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| 11:01 | <vagrantc> i feel like LTSP is basically stable now, and all the work is just keeping up with all the changes in the gnu/linux world
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| 11:01 | <jkenney_> or is it transparent
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| 11:01 | <ogra> like getting a nonstd mouse to use all buttons is now a 20ft long xinput command
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| 11:01 | <alkisg> Why would polkit need access to the client dbus? Isn't that something that devs could be persuaded not to depend to?
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| 11:01 | <ogra> jkenney_, no, your desktop session is actually the servers desktop
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| 11:01 | <klausade> vagrantc: on debian lenny, using packages from lenny-backports I can't get X to start using 5.1.77-1 packages. I'm 99% certain what it was 5.1.76 I used earlier this summer when it did work. Any idea?
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| 11:02 | <jkenney_> That is what I figured
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| 11:02 | <ogra> jkenney_, so you dont need to rebuild the image
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| 11:02 | <jkenney_> but i want to make sure
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| 11:02 | Also i want to place the home directories on a mounted network share
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| 11:02 | <ogra> only if you add apps to the actual image chroot under /opt/ltsp you need to do that
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| 11:02 | <jkenney_> i tried it
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| 11:02 | and i broke ltsp
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| 11:02 | <ogra> how did you do that ?
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| 11:02 | <jkenney_> I reverted back to a snapshot
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| 11:03 | and now i am ok
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| 11:03 | * ogra would just mount /home from a different machine | |
| 11:03 | <vagrantc> klausade: i always test them to make sure they work on lenny before moving them into backports ... otherwise i'd just recommend using apt pinning. so nothing off the top of my head.
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| 11:03 | <jkenney_> I have a ldap ltsp and samba server
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| 11:03 | <vagrantc> klausade: i'll give it another test now.
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| 11:03 | <jkenney_> and i want to place the home dirs on the samba machine
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| 11:03 | and then have ltsp use them
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| 11:03 | so i created a NSF share
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| 11:04 | <ogra> right, easiest is to mount the samba share permanently under /home
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| 11:04 | and copy over the existing homedirs into that
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| 11:04 | <jkenney_> Right but for testing i mount /home/networkshares then copied a home directory there and changed the location in ldap
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| 11:04 | and my profile would not open
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| 11:04 | under ltsp
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| 11:05 | I also have another problem i have dual display and the ldm Login is split between both monitors and i want it to show up on the left monitor
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| 11:05 | can that be done really easy
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| 11:06 | (is very flustered :) )
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| 11:06 | <vagrantc> klausade: though i usually just test with virtualbox.
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| 11:09 | klausade: it might be more likely an update to ldm ... you could try the ldm from unstable i uploaded just yesterday.
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| 11:11 | klausade: while you're at it, you could try the newer ltsp packages in unstable ... i think i tested it a little bit with lenny, but not enough with confidence to move to lenny-backports
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| 11:15 | <klausade> vagrantc: you want me to use --dist unstable also? Or just use ltsp packages from usnatble to build the chroot?
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| 11:17 | <bieb> i have a launcher that I created and copied to /etc/xdg/autostart it used to work, now it is not auto launching.. what should I check?
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| 11:33 | <jkenney_> Ok now i have another question if I create a NSF share for the home directory and the NSF server crashes how can i login to the LTSP server?
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| 11:33 | or any server for that matter that the home directory is mounted Via NSF
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| 11:34 | <alkisg> Login as root and fix it?
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| 11:35 | <bieb> i have a launcher that I created and copied to /etc/xdg/autostart it used to work, now it is not auto launching.. what should I check?
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| 11:35 | <jkenney_> I thought if the Box couldn't mount home its basically trashed unless i console it
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| 11:36 | <alkisg> I think ssh will log you in even without the home dir
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| 11:37 | bieb: maybe you disabled that for this specific user? Check in ~/.config/autostart if there's a file with the same name and X-GNOME-Autostart-enabled=false
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| 11:38 | <bieb> I logged in as 2 users that have never logged in before
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| 11:39 | <alkisg> You may also try: desktop-file-validate /etc/xdg/autostart/yourfile.desktop
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| 11:39 | <bieb> try that on the client? or on the server?
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| 11:39 | <alkisg> Wherever, as long as they see the file
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| 11:40 | <garymc> so is the only way to add users is directly with monitor and keyboard plugged into the server?
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| 11:41 | <ogra> no, use adduser in a gnome-terminal
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| 11:41 | kbd/mouse/monitor on server are the only *gui* way though
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| 11:41 | like "klicky tool" way ...
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| 11:42 | you can easily do it wit adduser though
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| 11:42 | <garymc> i cant get it to work
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| 11:42 | add user is not highlighted I cannot click on it
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| 11:42 | <ogra> adduser is a commandline tool
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| 11:42 | you use it in a gnome-terminal
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| 11:42 | <garymc> in a terminal window?
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| 11:42 | <ogra> yes
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| 11:42 | <garymc> im sure i just unlocked it yesterday
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| 11:42 | <ogra> sudo adduser ogra
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| 11:43 | <garymc> you sure this is the only way?
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| 11:43 | <ogra> would add a user named ogra
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| 11:43 | <garymc> what about the password
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| 11:43 | <ogra> it asks you to type it in twice
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| 11:43 | <vagrantc> garymc: just try it, ogra's good at this stuff :)
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| 11:43 | <ogra> heh
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| 11:44 | <garymc> room number?
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| 11:44 | <ogra> leave empty
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| 11:44 | you might care about real name
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| 11:44 | but the rest is rather moot
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| 11:45 | <vagrantc> adduser probably asks a few questions that don't make much sense anymore
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| 11:45 | <ogra> yeah
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| 11:45 | i guess they are just there for gecos backwards compatibility
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| 11:45 | <garymc> honestly it let me add them from the thin client,
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| 11:45 | im pretty sure it did
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| 11:45 | why wouldnt it allow me to
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| 11:46 | no unlock lit or add user
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| 11:46 | from thin client
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| 11:46 | <vagrantc> ogra: i wonder if it would be a reasonable patch to default to not asking for the historical things, and just leaving them empty... ?
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| 11:46 | <bieb> alkisg: even easier issue with the launcher.... the script I am trying to run is in a directory that I have sice locked the regular users out of.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LockdownHomeDirs
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| 11:46 | <ogra> might be, nothing for ubuntu though, should be done in debian
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| 11:46 | <garymc> If it lets me log in as root through terminal, surley it would let me do this in the gui on thin client
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| 11:47 | <ogra> you cant log in as root from the thing client in a default ubuntu setup
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| 11:47 | root is locked
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| 11:48 | and you surely shouldnt use root in a graphical environment
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| 11:48 | <garymc> right can i unlock it?
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| 11:48 | <ogra> no
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| 11:48 | <garymc> ok
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| 11:48 | <ogra> the underlying setup doesnt have all info it needs to unlock
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| 11:48 | <garymc> so if i want to add users use terminal or use monitopr keyboard on server
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| 11:48 | only ways?
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| 11:48 | <vagrantc> klausade: i built an ltsp-chroot using the packages from lenny-backports ... X worked fine. it just fails to start for you?
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| 11:48 | <ogra> use adduser
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| 11:48 | yes
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| 11:49 | <bieb> garymc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddUsersHowto down at the bottom is the command line info
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| 11:49 | <garymc> yeah, i done that just coulda swore It let me click the unlock butotn yesterday
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| 11:49 | to add them through the thin client
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| 11:49 | maybe i dreamt it
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| 11:50 | :S
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| 11:50 | <vagrantc> ogra: another thing i noticed using xorg from sid is it actually required 2MB of video memory to get 800x600@24 ... which has worked with 1MB for *ages*
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| 11:50 | <bieb> bad thing if you are dreaming about LTSP
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| 11:50 | <ogra> bieb, wow, these screenshots are ancient :)
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| 11:50 | vagrantc, hum
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| 11:50 | <garymc> well my head is busting with trying to take it all in
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| 11:51 | <vagrantc> ogra: have you noticed any regressions with minimum screen resolution vs. videoram?
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| 11:51 | <bieb> ogra: I just searched in Ubuntu community and took the first doc... but the command lines are up to date.. :D
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| 11:51 | <ogra> vagrantc, not really my world is the framebuffer since 6 months
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| 11:52 | <vagrantc> ogra: fair enough
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| 11:52 | stgraber: have you noticed any regressions with minimum screen resolution vs. videoram?
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| 11:53 | <alkisg> garymc: well if you must, you can use a different method to connect to the server gui, e.g. vnc or freenx
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| 11:53 | <cliebow> garymc: you will get a handle on the moment 8~)
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| 11:56 | <vagrantc> klausade: using NFS or NBD?
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| 11:57 | <klausade> vagrantc: nfs
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| 11:58 | <klausade> vagrantc: could you paste me the whole line you used to build from lenny-backports?
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| 12:00 | <garymc> well i suppose that will have to do for now
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| 12:01 | <deathtech> Heya Fellas
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| 12:01 | workin more on my LTSP Proof of concept for the suits
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| 12:02 | <cliebow> suits suits everywhere..and nary a drop that drink
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| 12:03 | <deathtech> One issue, i need to test system load while using Firefox on all the thins connected to a flash heavy site. Our system will use only one user account, (For the thins) and Firefox gripes about profile usage. Has anyone in this type of scenario figured out how to work around this limitation ?
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| 12:03 | why is the rum always gone ?
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| 12:03 | <cliebow> a Heineken suits me just fine 8~)
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| 12:04 | <deathtech> Rolling Rock here :)
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| 12:04 | <vagrantc> deathtech: use multiple users.
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| 12:04 | deathtech: i beg of you.
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| 12:04 | <alkisg> deathtech: you may work around it by running firefox -ProfileManager and creating lots of different profiles, but that's a bad way to do it, better do what vagrantc says :)
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| 12:04 | <vagrantc> it's *so* not worth the effort.
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| 12:05 | <deathtech> vagrantc : Eventually we will, but is there really not a way around it for this test scenario ? I could make a bunch of users , just was curious if anyone else had found something like this
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| 12:05 | <vagrantc> klausade: looking it up now... i had shut down the server.
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| 12:05 | <deathtech> vagrantc : and thanks for your help the other day :)
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| 12:05 | <vagrantc> deathtech: so much modern software assumes that the user account is not shared.
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| 12:06 | while that may be a bad assumption, it is painful to work around.
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| 12:06 | <deathtech> understood.
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| 12:06 | <cliebow> deathtech..you in pittsburg?
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| 12:07 | <deathtech> No sir
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| 12:07 | <cliebow> its just the rollingrock reference
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| 12:07 | <deathtech> i dig pale ale's :)
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| 12:08 | <bieb> mmmmmm BEER
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| 12:08 | <cliebow> guiness or darker for me
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| 12:08 | <deathtech> yeah, not a fan of the darker beers
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| 12:08 | <bieb> cliebow: you just said a Heineken was good for you.. they ain't dark
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| 12:09 | <cliebow> but they are creamy and thick 8~)
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| 12:10 | <deathtech> sounds like my ex wife
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| 12:10 | <bieb> LOL
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| 12:10 | <deathtech> j/k ! :D
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| 12:10 | <cliebow> and dark?
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| 12:10 | <deathtech> only cause i kept the lights off
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| 12:10 | <bieb> deathtech: does she have an alcoholic content too?
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| 12:10 | <deathtech> bieb : from the hops that grew from her rolls
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| 12:11 | <cliebow> she must have been good for the soul..at obe point anyway..
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| 12:11 | <bieb> lol
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| 12:11 | <deathtech> i kid, i havent been divorced, my wife rocks :)
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| 12:11 | couldnt resist the joke
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| 12:11 | lol
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| 12:11 | <vagrantc> klausade: ah, admittedly i cheated. i used my local copy of the lenny-backports ...
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| 12:12 | klausade: but the md5sums match ...
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| 12:16 | <vagrantc> klausade: ltsp-build-client --mirror http://192.168.111.1:9999/debian --dist lenny --extra-mirror http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian lenny-backports main --apt-key /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
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| 12:17 | klausade: that's what i'm testing right now
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| 12:17 | klausade: 192.168.111.1:9999 is just a an approx cache of ... ftp.fr.debian.org
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| 12:18 | klausade: oh, and echo killed the quotes: ltsp-build-client --mirror http://192.168.111.1:9999/debian --dist lenny --extra-mirror 'http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian lenny-backports main' --apt-key /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
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| 12:33 | <vagrantc> klausade: yup, still works for me...
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| 12:34 | klausade: it's using the vesa driver ... don't know what your clients are using
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| 12:36 | <klausade> vagrantc: i'm testing now.
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| 12:50 | <jkenney_> Ok i have one more issue with Dual Display on LTSP when i boot the thin client I get both displayes on the LDM but when i login to X windows I get one display on the left and the one on the right is black. But if i do CTRL-F1 to get a console then do CTRL-F7 to go back to the gui the second display starts up but i get a message that says HAL failed and everything continues on as normal
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| 12:51 | <nubae> vagrantc, on my way to u now
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| 12:51 | <jkenney_> I would just like to get rid of the error message and have the display act correctly (end users are using this)
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| 12:51 | <vagrantc> nubae: excellent!
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| 12:52 | <klausade> vagrantc: hmm, same line here, but no X. maybe something is wrong in /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Debian-custom/ ? I'll investigate further. Thanks for verifying at your end, IÍ„'ll use that a an guidance (you are a beacon)
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| 12:53 | <vagrantc> klausade: ah, sure.
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| 12:53 | klausade: i'd be curious to see what you have in the Debian-custom plugins
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| 12:53 | ooh, a *beacon*
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| 13:02 | <Gadi> jkenney_: hey! I would try setting the outputs to initial values - first, open a terminal window and type: xrandr and get the names of the outputs
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| 13:03 | <rjune_wrk> !g
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| 13:03 | <ltspbot> rjune_wrk: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> then, in lts.conf, you can add: XRANDR_OUTPUT_0 = "<name1>"
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| 13:04 | XRANDR_OUTPUT_1 = "<name2> --left-of <name1>"
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| 13:04 | XRANDR_MODE_0 = "1440x900"
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| 13:04 | <bieb> I have a local apps question... I have FF running as a local app no prob.. I want to try to run a pay-for-print client as a local app to see if it fixes the current issue. The client has a "lib" directory, config file and .sh script. How would I go about adding this to local apps?
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| 13:04 | <Gadi> XRANDR_MODE_1 = "1440x900"
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| 13:04 | <bieb> Gadi: how's it going?
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| 13:05 | <Gadi> busy busy busy
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| 13:05 | <bieb> Gadi: I hear that.. I am too.. trying to finish up this LTSP setup before students get here Thursday.. :D
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| 13:07 | <Gadi> bieb: are you sure you need to run the pay-for-print client locally?
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| 13:07 | with localapps, we use the server's cups to print still
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| 13:09 | <Gadi> deathtech: if ur looking for a server-side kiosk-mode browser session, I have done that before with a session script that puts users in a temporary homedir in /tmp
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| 13:09 | ie, their own unique homedir
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| 13:09 | which avoids the issue
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| 13:09 | <bieb> Gadi: that is the question... when I added the client to the ltsp server and built a launcher, then added to autostart.. the user can login and see that they have a balance.. but when they try to print.. it returns an error stating " you are attempting to print a job that cost $x.xx, your current balance is $0.00" so I am trying to determine if the zero balance is an issue of the primary server user
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| 13:10 | <Gadi> bieb: where does it grab the current balance from? AD?
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| 13:11 | <bieb> from a db on a windows box, which also has the print queue
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| 13:12 | <Gadi> do you get the error when logged in at the server as that user?
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| 13:12 | <bieb> http://www.netop.com/products/administration/printlimit-pro.htm this is the software that we are using
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| 13:12 | good.. question.. I will try that...
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| 13:19 | <bieb> Gadi: ok.. I am logged into the server as ltspman (which is the primary user for the server) I open the print client and login as a totally different user that has an account balance. When I send the print job it popped up a second box asking me to verify I wanted to print the document.. then it printed fine. The user that I logged into the print client as, is the same user that I have been logging into the thin client as to test print
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| 13:21 | <Gadi> and if you log into the server as a different user?
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| 13:21 | <bieb> I didnt log into the server as a different user.. just the print client
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| 13:22 | you want me to try as a different user?
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| 13:22 | <Gadi> yup
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| 13:22 | <bieb> you thinking a permissions issue?
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| 13:22 | <Gadi> more than anything
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| 13:22 | or that it put something in the user's homedir
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| 13:22 | when you installed the client
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| 13:22 | or something
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| 13:22 | <bieb> ok
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| 13:22 | will try it
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| 13:22 | <Gadi> who knows? I'm a doctor not a bricklayer
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| 13:22 | <bieb> brb
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| 13:23 | <rjune_wrk> You're a doctor? I thought you were a comedian.
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| 13:23 | <Gadi> shirley, you can't be serious ;)
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| 13:27 | <rjune_wrk> Of course I'm serious, and don't call me shirly
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| 13:28 | Remember folks, tip your wait staff. the 6PM show is completely different from the 2:30 PM show.
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| 13:37 | <deathtech> You guys ever see an NDB Error after booting a couple of thins ? ( I Stopped GDM on the server, could be it)
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| 13:45 | <bieb> Gadi: seems to be a permission issue.. when I login to the server as the domain\user that has print $ available.. and I select print I get an error that says "Can't prompt for Authorization"
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| 13:48 | <Gadi> sounds like a question for their support team
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| 13:49 | just tell them that you get an error when you log into your linux workstation as a different user than the admin user
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| 13:49 | <bieb> ok...
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| 13:50 | what I have done is; originally I had the script being pulled from the primary user's home dir.. so I copied it to the /home/DOMAIN/ dir and chmod'ed 755 and still get the same error
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| 13:54 | Gadi: on a second note.. you know of a good how to, to set the Desktop and .configure that I created with a new user as the default for all new users added to the system? I know you had said you and ogra had walked someone through it before
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| 13:56 | <Lns> deathtech: what's the error?
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| 14:01 | <Gadi> bieb: what launches the script?
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| 14:02 | <bieb> pc-client-linux.sh
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| 14:04 | <Gadi> bieb: that and a gvmt bailout will get me on the subway
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| 14:04 | I mean how are you launching that script?
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| 14:05 | <bieb> I have a launcher built that I put in autostart... but when I moved the script directory to /home/DOMAIN/ I just started teh script manually from a command line, until I go back and redo the launcher
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| 14:05 | sorry... wasnt sure what you were looking for
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> and you run the script as the logged in user, yes?
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> can you pastebot the contents of the script?
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| 14:09 | <bieb> Gadi: sure.. will you need any of the stuff in /lib?
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| 14:09 | <Gadi> prolly not
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| 14:10 | just gonna eyeball the script to see if it writes somewhere special
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| 14:10 | <ltsppbot> "bieb" pasted "Print Script...." (53 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/467
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| 14:11 | <Gadi> ah - its a java app
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| 14:12 | <bieb> right .. I can paste the config.parameters if that is helpful too
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| 14:13 | <Gadi> sure
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| 14:13 | <ltsppbot> "bieb" pasted "Config Params" (91 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/468
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| 14:13 | <bieb> there it is
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| 14:20 | <bieb> Gadi: does that help at all?
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> not really
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| 14:22 | its prolly a simple question for their support group, tho
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| 14:23 | <bieb> ok.. I will hit them up
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| 14:27 | <bieb> Gadi: did you see my other question on the Desktop and .configure directories?
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| 14:28 | <Gadi> right, so - same technique really
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| 14:28 | make an autostart launcher to a script
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| 14:29 | <Gadi> make the script where you like (I would put in /usr/local/bin/ )
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| 14:29 | make it executable
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| 14:29 | and as for the contents of the script
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| 14:30 | a simple shell script that copies files from a golden directory to the user directory is a good start
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| 14:31 | of course, make sure the user has read access to the golden directory
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| 14:32 | <jkenney_> Hey Gadi
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| 14:33 | I got most of my stuff working
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| 14:33 | <Gadi> |o?
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| 14:33 | crap
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| 14:33 | \o/
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| 14:33 | <jkenney_> ?
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| 14:33 | <rjune_wrk> LOL
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| 14:33 | jkenney_: his ascii art is behind the times.
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| 14:33 | <jkenney_> This is true
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| 14:34 | i don't even know what that is
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| 14:34 | i know what ascii art is
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| 14:35 | i don't know what he's trying to draw
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| 14:35 | (long day)
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| 14:35 | <rjune_wrk> art, with ascii characters
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| 14:35 | jkenney_: http://www.codeproject.com/KB/web-image/ASCIIArt/ASCIIArt2.gif
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| 14:36 | jkenney_: http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=chrome&q=ascii+art&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=_nWASrq2F8i3twe8u9zsAQ&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4 <-- better link
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| 14:36 | <jkenney_> hey what are you doing with photo's of my girlfriend on there
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| 14:36 | ;)
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| 14:37 | my question is i have this issue with ldm on dual display where the login dialog sits in the middle where the two monitors meet and it looks like crap and makes it hard to see the login box
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| 14:37 | I know i can edit the pictures
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| 14:37 | and images but I would like to move the box to the left if possible
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| 14:38 | <Gadi> jkenney_: unfortunately, the short answer is it is in the code
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| 14:38 | source
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| 14:38 | so, you would need to apt-get source ldm
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| 14:38 | <jkenney_> what about the GTK Script
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| 14:38 | <Gadi> modify greeter.c
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| 14:38 | repackage
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| 14:38 | and install
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| 14:39 | the gtk script doesn't position the boxes
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| 14:39 | afaik
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| 14:39 | Ryan52: PING
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| 14:39 | Ryan52: back me up on that one?
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| 14:44 | <rjune_wrk> Something moves the login dialog. different themes put it in different locations don't they?
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| 14:46 | <Ryan52> Gadi: lol, what?
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| 14:46 | <Gadi> Ryan52: you know you know everything about our gtk greeter
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| 14:46 | stop denying it
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| 14:46 | :)
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| 14:47 | <Ryan52> heh
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| 14:47 | <Gadi> if jkenney_ wants to move the dialogs to the left, what does he do?
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| 14:47 | <Ryan52> rewrite gtkgreet with ogra's off screen rendering thingy
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| 14:48 | or modify the mess that we call source code
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| 14:48 | :)
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| 14:48 | <Gadi> see
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| 14:48 | that's the backup I was looking for
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| 14:48 | <Touched> Hello all
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| 14:49 | <Gadi> Ryan52: our greeter is not dual-monitor friendly atm
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| 14:49 | jkenney_: have you considered going for triple headed displays?
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| 14:49 | <Touched> question, does anyone have any experience with ltsp5 on ubuntu/debian and using a gdm chooser?
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| 14:50 | <Gadi> Touched: once you move away from ldm, you give up local devices, local apps, and other functionality
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| 14:50 | but, it is doable
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| 14:50 | <Touched> i'm running into an issue where i can get the chooser to display after a long wait, but there's no hostnames only ip addresses
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| 14:50 | <Gadi> SCREEN_07 = "startx --indirect server"
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| 14:50 | oops
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| 14:50 | only one hyphen
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| 14:51 | <Touched> i can't really find any documentation in this area
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| 14:51 | <Gadi> SCREEN_07 = "startx -indirect server"
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| 14:51 | <Touched> gadi, and in what file would i find that line?
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| 14:51 | <Gadi> (or did we rename "startx" to "xdmcp"?
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| 14:51 | lts.conf
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| 14:51 | <Gadi> you won't find it
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| 14:51 | * alkisg wonders where Gadi finds all these undocumented parameters :) | |
| 14:51 | <Gadi> you need to set it
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| 14:51 | alkisg: that's a hold over from ltsp 4
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| 14:51 | <Touched> ah
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| 14:52 | <alkisg> Gadi, I meant about startx -indirect
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| 14:52 | <Touched> well, we didn't need to do that under ltsp4
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| 14:52 | <alkisg> Ah, startx was an ltsp wrapper script?
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| 14:52 | <Gadi> Touched: to get a chooser? sure you did
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| 14:52 | <Touched> under ltsp4 we just edited startx and changed query to indirect
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| 14:52 | <Gadi> well, then you did more work
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| 14:52 | but, you can still do that
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| 14:52 | <the_fronny> Can LTSP still support Pentium I clients? What are the minimum specs? What distro?
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| 14:52 | <Gadi> :)
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| 14:52 | <Touched> haha
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| 14:53 | <Gadi> startx in ltsp4 took arguments, as well
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| 14:53 | <Touched> well, i inherited my boss' notes, so i'm not surprised
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| 14:53 | <Gadi> or at least it should have
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| 14:53 | you can check the current screen scripts in : /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/
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| 14:55 | <johnny> the_fronny, probably 128mb ram
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| 14:55 | <the_fronny> su
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| 14:55 | nhoJ38
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> the_fronny: I think 64 RAM is the minimum requirement for LTSP 5...
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| 14:55 | <johnny> does ubuntu work with 64mb ram now?
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| 14:55 | <alkisg> Yup
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| 14:55 | <johnny> ah
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| 14:55 | i think the pentium1s would be too slow for any real work tho
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| 14:56 | booting would take many minutes i bet
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| 14:56 | <alkisg> I agree, but with LDM_DIRECTX=true, I don't see how it would be different from ltsp 4 or whatever else he was using before
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| 14:56 | (after booting)
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| 14:57 | <the_fronny> dang! stupid mouse
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| 14:59 | <Touched> no dice... the gdmchooser is still hanging
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| 15:00 | is there anything else that could be causing this sort of behaviour?
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| 15:01 | <alkisg> Touched: I've only tried this once - I enabled listening for xdmcp requests on the server, and put SCREEN_07=xdmcp in lts.conf and it worked - but I'm not 100% sure that I remember correctly
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| 15:02 | <Gadi> Touched: are you sure gmd is listening?
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| 15:02 | *gdm
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| 15:02 | on the server, do: netstat -anp|grep :177
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| 15:02 | <Touched> lol, thanks that was my next question
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| 15:05 | gadi, there's nothing going on in netstat, so evidently i missed something in the config
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| 15:05 | <Gadi> indeed
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| 15:05 | or you need to restart gdm
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| 15:05 | check your gdm config
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| 15:05 | <Touched> what should i be editting/turning on in gdm.conf to get it to listen for xdmcp traffic?
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| 15:05 | <Gadi> I would do it thru the GUI
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| 15:06 | <Touched> and are we talking about the gdm.conf with in the chroot for ltsp, or the one in /etc/gdm?
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| 15:06 | <Gadi> because you usually don't want to edit gdm.conf these days
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| 15:06 | no no on the server
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| 15:06 | <Touched> gotcha
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| 15:06 | <Gadi> go to: System > Administration > login Window
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| 15:07 | go to the Remote tab
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| 15:07 | and choose: "Same as local"
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| 15:07 | you will prolly need to logout and optionally from a tty, restart gdm
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| 15:08 | (unless gdm plays nicer these days)
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| 15:08 | :)
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| 15:09 | <Touched> ok, gdm is back up and running which is what i had configured up into 15 minutes ago
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| 15:17 | <jkenney_> How come when i use the dual login sometimes the second screen is blank but if I do CTRL-F1 to get a console then CTRL F7 to go back to the GUI the display kicks on then I get a HAL error message
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| 15:17 | sorry dual screen
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| 15:17 | not dual login
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| 15:18 | <Gadi> jkenney_: did you try specifying the outputs?
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| 15:18 | read what I wrote around 2 hrs ago
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| 15:18 | I gotta run...
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| 15:28 | <denisesballs> hey guys, i have sound disabled for LTSP which leavesthe volume icon with the X over it in the systray. I removed "volume applet" from the sessions and added it /apps/panel/global/disabled_applets. it doesnt appear to load the appled anymore, but i still see the volume icon without a red x over it
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| 15:33 | <alkisg> denisesballs: isn't that "mixer" applet, not "volume" applet?
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| 15:35 | <denisesballs> alkisg: that's right. i just noticed it was still loading even though i had added "OAFIID:GNOME_MixerApplet_Factory" to /apps/panel/global/disabled_applets
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| 15:36 | <alkisg> I think that's OAFIID:GNOME_MixerApplet
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| 15:37 | <denisesballs> alkisg: i'll try that
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| 15:37 | i was going by what the process table called it
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| 15:37 | <alkisg> You can see the IIDs by going to the applet keys, e.g. /apps/panel/applets/mixer_screen0
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| 15:38 | Remember to restart the panel: killall gnome-panel && gnome-panel &
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| 16:01 | <eXcALiBuR> i have a question about performance
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| 16:02 | 30 computers... booting over network 100 Mbit / what kind of server would be needed... and how long would it take to boot up if all computers were turned on around the same time?
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| 16:04 | <alkisg> Why don't you buy a gigabit switch to speed things up by a factor of 10?
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| 16:06 | <eXcALiBuR> because the fiber link is only 100 Mbit
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| 16:08 | <alkisg> For server the RAM formula is 256+192*#clients. Of course a multicore processor would be faster. Boot times depend on the clients a lot, and on whether nfs or nbd etc etc is used
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| 16:09 | <eXcALiBuR> does the OS have a big effect on it? like fedora vs ubuntu ?
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| 16:09 | <alkisg> Strictly on boot time, yes, there is a measurable difference
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| 16:10 | <eXcALiBuR> so i'll need about 10 servers
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| 16:10 | 8 GB mem in each
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> 10 servers? why?
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| 16:11 | <eXcALiBuR> cos i have over 200 computers
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| 16:11 | <alkisg> Ah I thought you said 30, ok, you got lots of such sites.
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| 16:11 | <eXcALiBuR> 30 .. was just 1 site...
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| 16:11 | i have 18 sites
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| 16:13 | what flavor would you choose?
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| 16:13 | for ltsp
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| 16:13 | <alkisg> It's a big site, so I won't answer that :)
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| 16:13 | <eXcALiBuR> this is a school enviroment
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| 16:14 | * alkisg is a teacher and uses ubuntu in his classroom | |
| 16:14 | <eXcALiBuR> :D
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| 16:14 | * eXcALiBuR likes ubuntu | |
| 16:14 | <eXcALiBuR> what kind of setup do you have?
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| 16:14 | ltsp ?
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| 16:14 | windows domain ?
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| 16:14 | <alkisg> Ltsp, 8 - 12 clients depending on the school
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| 16:15 | (I go to more than one school, and I occationally help others setup their labs)
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| 16:16 | I was very impressed with opensuse recently, though
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| 16:17 | <eXcALiBuR> ok, i got to run to the store and buy a new shower curtian which my cat destroyed... bbl
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| 16:17 | <alkisg> bye
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| 16:51 | <jkenney_> ogra how did you get the ldm screen to adjust the login uid and pw box to the left
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| 16:52 | currently i have a problem where the boxes are in the middle of two monitors and you cannot really tell unless you know that is a login box
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| 17:05 | anybody home
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