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06:34 | <work_alkisg> nroussi: pastebin your lts.conf or whatever other configuration -cluster uses
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07:08 | <helpmepls> hello guys
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07:09 | Can someone help me with creating an bootscreen under debian ltsp?
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07:09 | I would like to hide the bootlines after loading the pxelinux.cnf
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07:18 | <alkisg> First do it under debian/syslinux, then come here to ask the ltsp parts
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07:20 | <helpmepls> I did that
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07:20 | with plymouth
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07:20 | And it worked
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07:20 | But ltsp uses pxelinux
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07:20 | <alkisg> What was your syslinux configuration?
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07:21 | <helpmepls> I did on the same ltsp server
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07:21 | <alkisg> Did you install syslinux on the ltsp server?
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07:21 | <helpmepls> no
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07:21 | <alkisg> OK, then do it with syslinux first
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07:21 | <helpmepls> The server is syslinux right?
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07:21 | <alkisg> Not with grub
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07:21 | <helpmepls> That was with grub
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07:22 | <alkisg> Right, use syslinux, not grub
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07:22 | <helpmepls> hmm
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07:22 | Can I use plymouth wit syslinux??
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07:22 | <alkisg> Ask in #syslinux :)
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07:22 | I don't see why not...
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07:22 | <helpmepls> okay
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07:22 | but #syslinux and #pxelinux are death....
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07:23 | There is no one online
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07:23 | <alkisg> OK
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07:23 | <helpmepls> I hate it when there is no documentation about this part....
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07:23 | <alkisg> I don't think #ltsp needs to answer #syslinux questions though, just because #syslinux is dead...
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07:23 | <helpmepls> Or almost nothing
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07:23 | <alkisg> syslinux does have documentation
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07:24 | <helpmepls> Yes but ltsp is using pxelinux right??
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07:24 | And I think someone else who uses ltsp has done this before under debian
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07:25 | <alkisg> LTSP also uses .c, but it's not the appropriate channel for .c questions
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07:25 | <helpmepls> I dont know what .c is
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07:25 | <alkisg> C language
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07:25 | Programming
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07:25 | <helpmepls> Like c++?
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07:26 | <alkisg> I meant that for syslinux questions, ask syslinux, not ltsp. Even though ltsp uses syslinux.
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07:26 | <helpmepls> but why is it loading pxelinux than?
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07:26 | When the thinclient boots up
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07:26 | <alkisg> pxelinux and syslinux are the same project
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07:26 | For pxelinux questions, ask #syslinux
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07:26 | <helpmepls> hmm okay
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07:26 | okay
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07:27 | Thank you!
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07:27 | I will check the channel
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07:27 | <alkisg> OK... you can ask here too, sure, but it's just not the appropriate channel, so don't expect any answers...
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07:28 | <helpmepls> Okay
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07:28 | But there are not much people unline now
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07:30 | <alkisg> You can't be sure that you'll ever get an answer from IRC. If it works, ok, if not, you need to find some other way. Mailing lists, paying professional to do the work you want, whatever.
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07:32 | <helpmepls> hmm okay
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07:32 | Is there any other chat program to ask for this problem?
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07:33 | <alkisg> No I don't think so
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07:36 | <helpmepls> okay
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07:36 | thanks for the info
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07:36 | But where are you working for
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07:36 | If im free to ask
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07:38 | <alkisg> I'm supporting ltsp installations for greek schools
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08:08 | <helpmepls> okay
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09:28 | <helpmepls> Can someone help me with creating an bootscreen under debian ltsp?
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13:41 | <helpmepls> can someone help me with creating a ltsp splashscreen?
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13:44 | someone??
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13:48 | <Hyperbyte> There's no such thing as an "LTSP splashscreen"
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13:49 | It's something from your distro. If you're using Ubuntu, you should ask in #ubuntu.
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14:01 | <nroussi> alkisg: hello again. Cluster uses lts.conf that is autogenerated from a pgsql db. Upon rebuild of the image the getltscfg-cluster is not available in the chroot even though I build it like I always did with the argument --ltsp-cluster
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14:10 | <alkisg> nroussi: you don't have /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/getltscfg-cluster?
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14:16 | <nroussi> i'm booting the server now
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14:22 | alkisg: No I dont have that file
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14:27 | <alkisg> nroussi: that file is part of ltsp-client-core, so something is very wrong with your setup
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14:27 | Want me to have a look?
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14:27 | nroussi: x11vnc -connect alkisg.dyndns.org , I'll be around for a few minutes...
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14:29 | <nroussi> do I just run that on the console of the server?
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14:29 | <alkisg> Yes
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14:29 | If you don't have x11vnc, install it
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14:29 | Also, you need graphical console, not ssh shell...
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14:30 | <nroussi> I dont have a gui
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14:31 | <alkisg> sudo apt-get --yes install socat screen
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14:31 | socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:25547 & screen -l -S ra
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14:31 | That's for non-graphical connections... you'll see what I'm doing with SCREEN
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14:32 | <nroussi> I just run it
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14:33 | * alkisg didn't get a connection... | |
14:33 | <alkisg> Did you see any errors?
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14:34 | <nroussi> no. I am running it over ssh. Should I run it on the console?
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14:34 | <alkisg> No it doesn't matter...
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14:34 | <nroussi> I am also behind a NATing firewall
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14:36 | <alkisg> That shouldn't matter either... but I'm about to change connections so let's leave it for another time
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14:39 | nroussi: delete ltsp-daily from your sources
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14:39 | It's only for testing
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14:40 | <nroussi> ok
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14:40 | <alkisg> The version there is incompatible with 12.04
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14:40 | <nroussi> ok
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14:40 | <alkisg> Then apt-get update; apt-get install ltsp-client=older-version
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14:40 | Same in chroot, if you have that...
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14:44 | <nroussi> alkisg: should I remove the chroot and build a new one or just update image?
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14:45 | <alkisg> Build a new one, ok
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19:30 | <joe_sizlack> anyone happen to know if I add a static route to the chroot, will my fat clients pick it up?
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19:30 | or a param I can pass in the lts.conf?
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20:14 | <ageis> does increasing thin client RAM increase their performance, or is the bottleneck mainly on the host?
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20:15 | <joe_sizlack> lots of things needs to be processed locally
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20:15 | <ageis> ok so the answer is yes
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20:15 | <joe_sizlack> more RAM would help, yea
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20:16 | <ageis> ty
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20:16 | <joe_sizlack> you can always check if you're bottoming out on RAM though before making any purchases
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20:16 | I would
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20:16 | <vagrantc> ageis: depends on how much ram you're using now...
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20:17 | ageis: what numbers are you looking at upgrading from, and what do you plan to upgrade to?
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20:17 | <joe_sizlack> you client maybe preforming fine locally now and you problems are coming from the network or somewhere else
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20:17 | yea, that
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20:17 | <joe_sizlack> vagrantc knows the things
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20:17 | <vagrantc> some
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20:18 | <joe_sizlack> do you know how I can add static routes to my clients though?
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20:18 | :)
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20:18 | <vagrantc> ageis: are you planning on running localapps or fatclients? do your users use multiple browser tabs?
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20:18 | <ageis> vagrantc: most of these have 512 or 1GB, but the server is like from 2007. so the option would be bring them all to 2GB, or replace ltsp server with a newer machine.
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20:18 | vagrantc: multiple browser tabs, sure
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20:18 | <vagrantc> ageis: a few, dozens, or hundreds? :)
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20:19 | <ageis> I just wasn't sure how it worked, since thin client processes seem to use memory on the ltsp server too
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20:19 | there's like between 15 and 20
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20:20 | <vagrantc> ageis: sadly, even 512MB is getting to be a bare minimum even for straight thin clients
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20:20 | <joe_sizlack> are you running into problems somewhere or planning ahead?
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20:20 | <vagrantc> ageis: what kind of problems are you having?
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20:20 | <ageis> client is dissatisfied with their performance and wants to improve. also planning ahead
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20:21 | so consensus is it would be good to have 2GB ?
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20:22 | <joe_sizlack> If it's in the budget, I would have at least 1gig each, yes
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20:22 | but if you are having performance issues that might not be your magic bullet
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20:23 | you'll need to do some home work and see what is being exausted
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20:23 | <ageis> I guess the best way to check how much mem each thin client has would be in BIOS right?
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20:23 | <joe_sizlack> That's a way to see how much is in there, sure
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20:23 | <ageis> is there another way? remotely?
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20:23 | <joe_sizlack> but not how much is being used
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20:24 | You should be able to ssh to each thin client
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20:24 | from the server
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20:25 | <ageis> yeah no I can't
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20:25 | <vagrantc> sshd isn't enabled by default
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20:25 | <ageis> openssh-server not installed in the image
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20:25 | <joe_sizlack> oh
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20:26 | well, I'd install it :)
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20:26 | * vagrantc wonders about using something like nagios to monitor that info | |
20:27 | <joe_sizlack> yea, I was thinking that recently
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20:27 | since I was pushing nrpe out everywhere else anyway
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20:27 | or munin
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20:27 | <ageis> yeah I use nagios. that requires a little bit of development and some mods to the image though. I'll figure something out, thanks guys :)
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20:27 | we're probably gonna both upgrade the LTSP server and add some memory to the thin clients before 2015
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20:28 | or in 2015
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20:28 | <joe_sizlack> always nice if it's in the budget
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20:28 | god speed, ageis
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20:30 | <ageis> if the ltsp image is larger, does that just increase load time, not decrease performance? there's no way it could be loaded into memory...
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20:33 | <vagrantc> it only loads the parts of the image that are actually used
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20:33 | <ageis> like the kernel
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20:34 | <vagrantc> more like your hard disk
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20:34 | <ageis> but lets say I have a 2GB LTSP image, 512 RAM thin clients, that's no problem ?
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20:34 | <vagrantc> the image size won't significantly impact the amount of ram used
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20:35 | it'll take longer to build, of course
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20:35 | won't really impact the ram on the client side, though
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20:35 | <ageis> yeah I thought so. I am still not clear on how it all works, I am imagining a ramdisk
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20:36 | but they use a remote network fs so that makes sense
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20:36 | <vagrantc> there's a little bit in ram, but only the files written to... files that are read-only stay on the server.
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20:36 | <ageis> gotcha
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20:37 | <vagrantc> i mean, you *could* load the whole image into ram if you really wanted to... there are some options to do so in recent versions
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20:38 | <joe_sizlack> in other news, my HA setup is performing super well
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20:39 | I just added a S## ldm script to add my static route, btw
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20:40 | if anyone knows a better way, I'd welcome the input
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20:40 | <vagrantc> if you don't need the static route until the user is logged in, i guess that matters
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20:41 | <joe_sizlack> well, it adds it when ldm starts
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20:42 | which is fine by me I suppose
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20:42 | if it's all the same though, I'd just have sooner than later
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20:45 | <vagrantc> RCFILE_01 might work... not sure... there are plenty of other hooks
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20:45 | it's a question of choosing which
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20:46 | <joe_sizlack> yea, I seen that in the man page
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20:46 | it wasn't particularly clear on the syntax though
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20:47 | RCFILE_01 = path_to_bash_script
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20:47 | ?
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20:58 | <vagrantc> RCFILE_01 = /etc/some/random/script
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21:10 | <alkisg> joe_sizlack: RCFILE_01="ip route add..."
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21:11 | Meh got disconnected and didn't see that vagrant beat me :)
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21:12 | <vagrantc> oh, you can specify full commandlines?
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21:13 | <alkisg> Yeah since a few years...
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21:13 | Since the init-ltsp.d chnage
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21:13 | * vagrantc feels like that is really new | |
21:14 | <vagrantc> heh
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21:15 | * alkisg thinks many years have passed since the BTS I participated, but that's not true... maybe it's because I'm looking forward to participating to another one :) | |
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23:13 | <gdi2k> joe_sizlack, saw your comment earlier in the log that your HA set up is working well. Would be interested to hear what you have set up. I currently have 2 servers than sync via unison, and I use dnsmasq to send booting clients to either one server or the other, with a boot menu to allow the user to boot from the other server should their default be down. What's your set up?
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