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02:28 | <pentest> Host OS Xubuntu 13.04 is the LTSP server. 1 wifi card connected to Internet. I have got wlan0 (addr:192.168.1.2) and virbr0 (addr:192.168.122.1). Thin Client Guest OS installed in Virtual Box. Is it possible to have Thin Client boot-up with this LTSP server plz using virbr0? Note I have 1 physical NIC and 1 virtual NIC.
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02:31 | <vagrantc> should be.
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02:33 | <pentest> thanks.. I think you answered before.. appreciate this.. a pointer will be helpful..
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02:33 | so what so I need to do to make virbr0 to run the dhcp server and how to choose this interface for the thinclient os
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02:34 | <vagrantc> you'd just need to configure your server to be on virbr0, and dhcp to list on that range, and hand out the appropriate information (see /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf)
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02:34 | and then configure the client to network boot
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02:35 | the physical nic and virtual nics shouldn't matter, if you really just want to boot the virtual thin client
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02:35 | <pentest> ok get that...
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02:36 | so you saying I do not need to point the thin client to use virbr0 interface
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02:36 | <vagrantc> depends on how you have your networking configured...
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02:36 | your client and server need to share a network, and have the dhcp configuration on that network
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02:37 | <pentest> yes indeed.. let me try couple of things first.. I will come back here..
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02:37 | <vagrantc> i don't know what the default networking you have for your virtualbox thin client, but it shouldn't be hard to put that on virbr0 as well as your server
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02:37 | you might have to disable virtualbox's built-in dhcp server
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02:38 | <pentest> right.. let me do this one by one..thanks
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02:39 | * vagrantc uses libvirt instead of virtualbox these days | |
02:39 | * bennabiy nods | |
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02:40 | <pentest> I am just trying it out...
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02:40 | when you say libvirt..you mean KVM!!!!
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02:41 | <bennabiy> heh
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03:52 | What is the packaging for ldm in ubuntu?
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07:31 | <pentest> guys I am stuck.. please help..here is the details
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07:31 | Host OS Xubuntu 13.04 is the LTSP server. 1 wifi card connected to Internet. I have got wlan0 (addr:192.168.1.2) and virbr0 (addr:192.168.122.1). Thin Client Guest OS installed in Virtual Box. dhcpd.conf edited with these values:
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07:31 | authoritative;
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07:31 | subnet 192.168.122.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
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07:31 | range 192.168.122.20 192.168.122.250;
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07:31 | option domain-name "example.com";
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07:31 | option domain-name-servers 192.168.122.1;
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07:31 | option broadcast-address 192.168.122.255;
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07:32 | option routers 192.168.122.1;
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07:32 | Thin client virtual network is this: Attached to: Bridged Adapter, Name: virbr0.
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07:32 | When booting up says searching for server ip (DHCP)....No IP.No IP.No IP.
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07:39 | <Hyperbyte> pentest, are you sure the virtual machine has network access?
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07:40 | Try booting some live Linux in the virtual machine and ping your dhcp server, also manually request a dhcp lease
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07:40 | <pentest> oh for got to mention that I disabled the virtualbox dhcp server
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07:41 | <vagrantc> is your ltsp server on virbr0 ?
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07:41 | <pentest> good point ..let me check
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07:41 | should be .. the dhcpd.conf
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07:41 | <vagrantc> and have you restarted dhcp since getting your server on virbr0?
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07:42 | <pentest> jsut booted up the whole damn thing now..
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07:42 | <vagrantc> pentest: what are the other options for networking the thin client?
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07:43 | pentest: i.e. Bridged Adapter vs. what?
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07:43 | <pentest> one sec mate
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07:43 | I think I found the error...
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07:44 | just now booted up lubuntu in virtual box..bridged to virbr0
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07:44 | did not get any ip for eth0 in lubuntu
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07:44 | <vagrantc> can you ping 192.168.122.1 ?
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07:45 | ah, yeah, no dhcp...
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07:45 | <pentest> pentest@lubuntuclient:~$ ping 192.168.122.1
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07:45 | connect: Network is unreachable
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07:45 | so no
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07:45 | so this is the issue obviously
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07:46 | <vagrantc> i know virtualbox and libvirt both use a type of network connectivity that doesn't allow access to the server itself, but allows access to the rest of the network, paradoxically
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07:46 | in libvirt, i think it's called macvtap ...
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07:47 | pentest: on the server: sudo brctl show virbr0
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07:47 | <pentest> so when you say libvirt..you mean kvm right
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07:47 | <vagrantc> no, libvirt works with multiple backends
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07:48 | <pentest> bridge name bridge id STP enabled interfaces
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07:48 | virbr0 8000.000000000000 yes
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07:48 | <vagrantc> including virtualbox even, it seems
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07:48 | <pentest> okay
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07:48 | <vagrantc> pentest: the thin client is booted?
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07:49 | because it looks like you have no interfaces on your switch
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07:49 | <pentest> that is the quetion.. how can I boot up the thin client
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07:50 | the whole thing is in my laptop
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07:50 | <vagrantc> pentest: i mean, is a virtual machine running that is connected to virbr0 ?
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07:50 | at least, in theory connected ...
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07:50 | <pentest> sorry mate.. I only start virtual box when I need to boot a machine,,
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07:50 | <vagrantc> pentest: it should show devices under the interfaces column
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07:51 | well, it's awfully hard to troubleshoot your problem if you can't even try things :P
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07:51 | <pentest> I am sure you read the big description that I put in at the beginning of this post..
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07:51 | <vagrantc> anyways, i should sleep
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07:51 | <pentest> thanks anway mate..
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07:51 | please
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07:51 | later
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07:53 | <vagrantc> pentest: basically, boot a machine that's supposedly connected to virbr0, and see if an interface then shows up when you "brctl show virbr0"
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07:53 | pentest: also, check /var/log/syslog to see if it has any mention of the 192.168.122 network ... such as "network not available" or something
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07:53 | those are my parting suggestions...
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07:53 | <pentest> but that 's exactly what I just dif..
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07:54 | thanks mate..
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07:54 | good night ZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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07:55 | <vagrantc> if no interface shows up, then virtualbox isn't connecting your virtual machine to virbr0 ... unless it's using something like macvtap, which won't allow you access to the server.
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07:55 | which would explain it.
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07:59 | <pentest> it seems like..
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07:59 | so the I need to see how I can get connected to virbr0
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10:24 | <Bejoy> Can anyone suggest a windows remote desktop client that will connect to a Linux server ?
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10:25 | <Mava> Bejoy: what are you searching at in the first case
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10:25 | <Bejoy> Is LTSP intented for this ?
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10:26 | <Mava> or.. what is the main goal? To connect to linux graphical desktop ?
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10:27 | <Bejoy> Hi Mav, I have a linux server. I need to run applications on this server from a windows desktop.
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10:27 | <Mava> aa
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10:27 | does your linux server run graphical desktop environment such as gnome ?
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10:27 | <Bejoy> Yes.
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10:27 | It has gnome
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10:27 | <Mava> k
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10:28 | <Bejoy> Please understand that I am new to Linux and only has a basic understanding
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10:28 | <Mava> two choices: use SSH to connect to the server, or install xrdp server to the linux server, xrdp is a "remote desktop protocol" daemon
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10:29 | <Mava> and after installing xrdp, you can connect to the server using remote desktop client in windows to connect the machine
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10:29 | <Bejoy> If I install xrdp on the server, what corresponding client do I need to have on the windows desktop?
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10:30 | <Mava> mstsc == remote desktop client =)
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10:30 | <Bejoy> Do you mean I cann connect with windows remote desktop client itself ?
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10:30 | <Mava> yes
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10:30 | <Bejoy> Ok
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10:30 | <Mava> but remember not to do the connections through the Internet
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10:31 | I have not examined how secure the connection is, so I really cant guarantee it is safe to run through internet
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10:31 | <Bejoy> I have the server on the cloud, in this case what options do I have...
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10:31 | <Mava> SSH
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10:31 | <Bejoy> Ok
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10:32 | Thanks a lot Mava :-) Really appreciate the help.
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10:32 | <Mava> any time, enjoy =)
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12:21 | <willianmazzardo> work_alkisg, hi … im trying to do what you said to me .. to umount /home and other stuff .. but /home is BUSY :S
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12:21 | i cant umount
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12:37 | <gvy> willianmazzardo, lsof | grep /home
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12:37 | <willianmazzardo> gvy, ok ;) found it ;D
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12:37 | thanks
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12:39 | <gvy> YW :)
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13:13 | <d[o_-]b> alkisg: Any luck on getting that script back?
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13:23 | <alkisg> d{-_o}b_bennabiy: sorry, busy, that's why I said "after 2 days" :)
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13:30 | <acesabe> anyone got recommendation for 5 seat fat client ltsp server minimum specs?
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13:31 | and fat client ram minimums?
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13:31 | <alkisg> server: anything that is newer than 5 years
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13:31 | clients: see your distro specs
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13:31 | <acesabe> ok
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13:31 | <alkisg> server <=> switch: gigabit connection preferred
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13:31 | <acesabe> yeah
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13:32 | <alkisg> (or, local copy of the nbd image)
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13:32 | <acesabe> probably go for that
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13:38 | <bennabiy> alkisg: sorry :) I was getting excited as I figured out the order to install the artwork and mint packages to get mint set up nicely
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13:45 | <bennabiy> I made a custom ldm-server package on my ppa, but what does it take to make the theme I put in there available as the default in my client? I set lts.conf LDM_THEME=<name>
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14:49 | <d{-_o}b_bennabiy> If i added a theme to my ldm package, why is it not making it to my client?
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14:50 | <acesabe> I seem to remember having to overwrite the default .conf file in order to use custom theme/background
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14:50 | iirc
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14:51 | <d{-_o}b_bennabiy> but it didn't even make it into the client image, let alone not being the default.
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14:51 | chroot I mean
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15:07 | <edwin_> good morning everyone
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15:07 | question
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15:07 | I have a thin client T5720
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15:07 | when it's about to get to the part of login it keeps blinking
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15:08 | it's like something with the graphic is not working
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15:09 | anyone?
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15:09 | maybe something is lts.conf that I don't know
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15:11 | <edwin_> anyone?
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15:12 | <acesabe> check your logs during boot
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15:13 | <bennabiy> !SCREEN_02
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15:13 | <ltsp`> SCREEN_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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15:14 | <bennabiy> what distribution are you using edwin_
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15:14 | ?
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15:21 | <edwin_> sorry
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15:21 | I went away
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15:21 | ubuntu 12.10
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15:21 | is my distro
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15:26 | <||cw> that's weird, why's 12.10 EOL later than 13.04?
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15:27 | <||cw> edwin_: did that client used to work, is it a new one for you?
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15:37 | <bennabiy> Edwin_ can you post logs through pastebin? Does the client go through the normal steps, but not come to the LDM window?
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15:39 | <slackish> ||cw: canonical changed their policy of how long normal ubuntu releases would be supported. that policy changed happened after 12.10 and before 13.04
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15:40 | s/happened//
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15:45 | <bennabiy> slackish: Are you familiar with the ltsp-build-client process?
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15:52 | <slackish> bennabiy: I've done it. One point in time, I followed through the script. Whats up?
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15:52 | <edwin_> sorryyyyyy
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15:52 | I am back again'
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15:52 | the system is up tp date
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15:53 | yes to the steps
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15:53 | yes to the familiar with build client a little bit
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15:54 | when it's tme to bring the X I can see the little wheels loading
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15:54 | and it keeps blinking like every second or two
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15:55 | I get the to see ubuntu 12.10 with the purple background
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15:55 | <bennabiy> slackish: I am building a client from my custom ppa of ltsp and ldm-server package (which contains a custom theme) and that theme is not making it into my client
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15:55 | basically an ubuntu / linuxmint chroot
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15:56 | <edwin_> I am going to test the client right now it has pupyy linux on it
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15:56 | <bennabiy> edwin_: you should press escape during that screen and see what it says, or try to drop to a shell
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15:56 | <edwin_> one sec
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15:56 | ok
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15:56 | <bennabiy> Are you trying to boot a fat client?
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15:56 | <acesabe> bennabiy, sounds like the build script isn't honouring your ppa in the sources.list
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15:56 | check that if I were you
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15:56 | <bennabiy> acesabe: that is what I was thinking
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15:57 | would it access the sources.list.d ?
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15:57 | <acesabe> had this issue with our local apt mirror not being used
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15:57 | <bennabiy> or just what is in sources.list?
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15:57 | <cliebow> !seen jammcq
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15:57 | <ltsp`> jammcq was last seen in #ltsp 5 days, 0 hours, 6 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <jammcq> on thursday?
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15:57 | <acesabe> I don't recall the solution
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15:58 | <bennabiy> thank you :)
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16:00 | !bennabiy_todo
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16:00 | <ltsp`> Error: "bennabiy_todo" is not a valid command.
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16:00 | <slackish> Well, cool that it is answered. I would not of been much help
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16:01 | <edwin_> I just boot the thin client to puppy linux
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16:01 | all good
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16:04 | * bennabiy scratches his head... | |
16:05 | <bennabiy> Ubuntu booting a client to puppy linux...
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16:05 | ?
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16:05 | <edwin_> no no
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16:05 | the thin client has puppy in it
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16:05 | it boots ok
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16:05 | <bennabiy> sometimes those hp thin clients need to use somewhat of a fat client approach
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16:05 | <edwin_> I mean is that something must be wrong in the ltsp conf that the thin client cannot get to X terminal
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16:06 | <bennabiy> I use the st5742s and they are made for pxebooting
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16:07 | when you see the graphics trying to kick in, CTRL-ALT-F2 to shell and check the logs
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16:07 | <edwin_> ok hold on
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16:07 | <bennabiy> If you have enabled SCREEN_02 to be shell
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16:10 | <edwin_> let me do that right now
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16:12 | updating image hold on
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16:17 | <edwin_> still loading image
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16:17 | updating sory
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16:17 | sorry
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16:25 | <edwin_> ok
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16:25 | If I hit ctrl alt f2
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16:25 | I get to the shell
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16:25 | if I hit f7 I see the ubuntu 12.10 with the little circles stock at the second
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16:26 | it has a via rhine network card
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16:28 | <bennabiy> so from the shell, check /var/log/syslog to see if anything is funny
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16:28 | you could pastebin it as well
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16:28 | !pastebin
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16:28 | <ltsp`> pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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16:29 | <edwin_> ok
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16:33 | got it go be back later
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18:06 | <edwin_> anyone
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18:09 | <vagrantc> !question
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18:09 | <ltsp`> question: if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
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18:24 | <IAFP> Good afternoon, dear'm not getting start service isc-dhcp-server
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18:24 | Message: dhcpdcheck syslog for diagnostics
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18:25 | any tips?
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18:39 | <||cw> IAFP: and the syslog says?
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18:39 | <IAFP> someone has the configuration file isc-dhcp-server
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18:45 | <||cw> IAFP: one should come with your distro's package
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18:46 | <other_other_joe> I'd check syslog and see why it's choking
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18:54 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: I am just needing to get the detection right on how to test for the three cases, and then it looks like I have most other things in place.
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18:55 | I tested which packages to install early, and which to do late, and made some adjustments
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18:59 | <edwin_> I have a thin client that doesn't display correct
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18:59 | anyone?
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18:59 | I have tested this configuration with other equpment and it works fine
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18:59 | the thin client has uppy linux n it , it works fine too
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19:00 | If i switch to a shell it works
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19:00 | the thing is the graphic part
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19:02 | <alkisg> edwin_: things to try:
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19:02 | <edwin_> hit it
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19:02 | <alkisg> lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA ==> reports driver in use
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19:03 | <edwin_> in server?
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19:03 | <alkisg> LDM_SESSION=xterm in lts.conf ==> tests if there are problem with unity, compiz etc,
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19:03 | no, that one goes in a localxterm on the client
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19:03 | !localxterm
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19:03 | <ltsp`> localxterm: Any applications that you launch on a thin client actually runs on the server, not on the client itself. If you want to open a program on the client locally, you can type 'ltsp-localapps <program>' in a run dialog or in a terminal. For example, 'ltsp-localapps xterm' to open a terminal running on the client.
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19:03 | <alkisg> !SCREEN_02
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19:03 | <ltsp`> SCREEN_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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19:03 | <alkisg> Also, XSERVER=vesa might help to get an initial screen working
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19:03 | (again in lts.conf)
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19:04 | <bennabiy> welcome alkisg :)
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19:04 | <alkisg> Hey bennabiy, hi all
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19:05 | <bennabiy> What time is it over there?
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19:05 | <edwin_> ok let me try
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19:05 | <alkisg> edwin_: also, when you say "it doesn't display correct", do you mean LDM? Or after login? And, how exactly "not correctly"?
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19:05 | 10:05 pm
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19:05 | <edwin_> before login
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19:05 | it keeps blinking
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19:05 | like every 1 o 2 second
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19:05 | <bennabiy> edwin_ do you ever see the login screen?
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19:05 | <edwin_> I get the to see the little wheel spinning
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19:05 | no
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19:06 | no with the thin client other computers yes
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19:06 | <bennabiy> Did you try to customize your chroot after building it?
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19:06 | <edwin_> no
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19:06 | <alkisg> You don't have LDM_AUTOLOGIN set in lts.conf, do you?
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19:07 | /var/log/Xorg.7.log.old on the client will tell you the Xorg errors
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19:07 | <edwin_> I have but with another mac
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19:07 | <alkisg> Disable LDM_AUTOLOGIN temporarily in case you missed something there
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19:07 | <bennabiy> alkisg: do you know if the ltsp-build-client scripts would honor my ppa on the server for grabbing packages?
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19:07 | <alkisg> bennabiy: if you specify that in a --mirror parameter, yeah...
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19:07 | Or with --copy-sources something
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19:08 | * alkisg doesn't ever use ltsp-build-client so he's fuzzy on the details there | |
19:08 | <bennabiy> ahh, thank you
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19:08 | I knew there was an option.
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19:08 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: you know, mint might actually be done more simply with ltsp-pnp style stuff, the stuff that alkisg uses :)
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19:09 | <alkisg> Mint would work out of the box there :)
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19:09 | <d{-_o}b_bennabiy> except I do not use fat clients :)
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19:09 | <vagrantc> since it basically builds a fat or thin client out of the running server
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19:09 | you can still use it for thin clients
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19:09 | <edwin_> I just try a edubuntu ltsp and it works
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19:09 | something wrong in my conf
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19:09 | hehehehe
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19:10 | thats good I will be dealing with edubuntu anyway
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19:10 | thanks all
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19:10 | <d{-_o}b_bennabiy> vagrantc: I guess it might work, but I fail to see the benefit when I am running all thin clients (which I do not need everything on the server taking up space in the clients ram)
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19:11 | <alkisg> Fat chroots don't need more ram
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19:11 | <d{-_o}b_bennabiy> alkisg: how does it work then?
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19:11 | <alkisg> ltsp-pnp makes it easier to install e.g. properiatery drivers,
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19:12 | and to use localapps on thin clients...
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19:12 | A fat image is just bigger than a thin image
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19:12 | But both images aren't loaded in RAM
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19:12 | They get read "sector by sector" (NBD) or "file by file" as needed...
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19:13 | It's possible to have a 10 Gb image, and boot an 128 MB client with it
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19:13 | ...just as it's possible to boot an 128 MB client from a 10 GB local hard disk
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19:13 | If you had a 10 TB local hard disk, it wouldn't mean it would boot slower...
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19:14 | <d{-_o}b_bennabiy> Hmm. I might need to test it in a virtual situation before going live with it
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19:14 | This machine would have been a good test, if I didnt have to send it off so soon
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19:15 | alkisg: I will look into that, but for now I am using standard ltsp
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19:15 | <alkisg> Sure
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19:15 | Whatever suits everyone
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19:15 | <d{-_o}b_bennabiy> !ltsp-pnp
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19:15 | <ltsp`> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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19:20 | <alkisg> !bot
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19:20 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'bot', but I do know about these similar topics: 'supybot', 'pastebot'
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19:20 | <alkisg> ltsp`: bot
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19:23 | <d{-_o}b_bennabiy> !truth
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19:23 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'truth', but I do know about these similar topics: 'test', 'tftp'
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19:23 | <d{-_o}b_bennabiy> I thought he had the answers for everything
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19:25 | perhaps I did not speak loud enough...
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19:25 | * d{-_o}b_bennabiy clears throat | |
19:25 | <d{-_o}b_bennabiy> !truth
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19:25 | <ltsp> truth: I know many things... but one things stands out. #### alkisg and vagrantc are great! ####
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19:30 | <d{-_o}b_bennabiy> alkisg: which seems to run faster in a thinclient? ltsp-pnp or stock ltsp?
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19:34 | <alkisg> d{-_o}b_bennabiy: usually it's the same
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19:44 | <||cw> I don't know why it would have different performance
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20:02 | <d{-_o}b_bennabiy> just a question :)
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20:05 | <d{-_o}b_bennabiy> hrm. looks like I need to make a custom ldm-theme package
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20:12 | <d{-_o}b_bennabiy> alkisg: would the ubuntu packaging overwrite my theme I put in it?
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20:14 | <alkisg> dpkg -S /path/to/filename tells you if a file belongs in a package
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20:14 | If it does, then it will get overwritten in package upgrades
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20:19 | <d{-_o}b_bennabiy> I packaged it in my ppa version of ldm
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20:31 | <other_other_joe> !epoptes
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20:31 | <ltsp> epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
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20:38 | <bennabiy> other_other_joe: thank you! I knew there was something else I was forgetting
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20:45 | <other_other_joe> haha
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20:45 | happy to help
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20:52 | <other_other_joe> alkisg, I'm running into this epoptes https://bugs.launchpad.net/epoptes/+bug/977049
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20:53 | the 'module' object has no attribute error when I try to start epoptes on Debian 7
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20:56 | <other_other_joe> I'm running 0.5.6-1 and X11 forwarding though so I'll add to the launchpad
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20:59 | <other_other_joe> has anyone used epoptes with X forwarding successfully?
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21:00 | that is to say, running the epoptes daemon on the LTSP server and ssh -X'ing to the server in order to fire up the GUI?
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21:18 | <bcdonadio> When using ltsp-cluster, does the load-balancer receives all packets coming from clients, or it does only says to the thinclient on which server to connect?
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21:32 | <other_other_joe> !REMOTE_APPS
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21:32 | <ltsp> Error: "REMOTE_APPS" is not a valid command.
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21:39 | <pentest> back again to seek some help..
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21:39 | please see this post guys
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21:39 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2178061
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21:39 | details and pics uploaded here...
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21:39 | would appreciate a hand
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