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00:39 | <miks> Just a quick update: I went back to Edubuntu 10.04, and LTSP is working fine. It has to be Unity that was causing me the trouble. If anyone has some advice on how to use a newer version and disable Unity, I'd love to know how. I've tried setting my default session, and the clients still try to boot up Unity (which results in a flickering black screen)
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00:40 | <stgraber> ... I was going to tell him it's fixed in 11.10
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04:39 | <miks> Thanks stgraber, I haven't had a chance to try the latest 11.10 yet. I'm a little leery to put something so new in the lab, until I have time to test it (like over the summer). I'll probably stick with 10.04 for now.
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04:41 | I've got 24 workstations in the lab, and one server with a Quad Core processor and 4GB of RAM. Should I consider splitting the clients onto 2 servers, or do you think the one server is enough for 24 clients? I run localapps, and almost everything the students do is in Firefox on the web
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05:53 | <laurei> hi guys, another issue, ltsp fat clients are somehow not able to save
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05:53 | ... not able to save settings in the users home directory
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05:54 | if application specific settings are saved, eg chrome, jitsi, teamviewer, they are gone on next launch
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05:56 | <muppis> Have checked are home directories mounted correctly?
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05:57 | <laurei> how do i check this?
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05:58 | they seem to work like i can save things, they just dont keep the state on relaunch
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05:58 | <muppis> Does ls -la show correct user and group for files?
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05:58 | Or something very high id.
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06:03 | <laurei> all the userids are the users actual ids
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06:09 | i dont even know where the users home directories are saved on the server
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06:10 | <muppis> In their usual place, under /home.
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06:53 | <VectorX> hi, where can i get information on how to build a energy efficient thin client, using around 8 to 15watts and costs hardly anything ?
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07:02 | maybe using dc current
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07:14 | <Mava> maybe some old eee laptop or system with via epia mainboard ?
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07:17 | <VectorX> im tryin to see if i can make them
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07:17 | prob under 100 if possible
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07:18 | current cost of such pc is around ~us$200 which is too much
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07:52 | <Hyperbyte> miks, if Firefox is a localapp, will probably be ok.
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12:25 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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12:27 | <pscheie> good moring mgariepy
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12:27 | morning
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12:30 | <Hyperbyte> Afternoon. :-)
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13:20 | <highvoltage> greetings
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13:26 | <Hyperbyte> Hi-voltage. :)
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13:37 | <highvoltage> :)
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13:49 | <roasted> hello!
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13:49 | <mgariepy> hello roasted
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13:52 | <andygraybeals> hi guys, did alkisg ever make it to maine?
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13:54 | <highvoltage> <philosoraptor> If roasted is scared, does that make him a roasted chicken? </philosoraptor>
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13:54 | <veloutin> nice one
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13:55 | <highvoltage> andygraybeals: that's scheduled for Thursday :) (well at least for mgariepy, stgraber and myself)
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13:55 | <veloutin> I tried to come up with a better one, but no pun in ten did.
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13:55 | <highvoltage> :)
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13:55 | <andygraybeals> nice
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13:56 | <fellowEnt> lol, just switched windows from reddit only to see this :)
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14:00 | <pscheie> mgariepy, still got room in your car for me on Thur.?
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14:01 | <roasted> are you all coming to the US?
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14:02 | <mgariepy> pscheie, yes
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14:02 | <nubae> US? for what, if I might ask?
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14:02 | <mgariepy> i'll rent a mini-van so i guess i'll have 7 (crowded) places haha
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14:02 | <pscheie> roasted, some of us are already in the US. ;-)
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14:02 | <mgariepy> nubae, ltsp hack fest
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14:03 | <nubae> ah jeeeeshh always in the US
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14:03 | when we gonna have one here in Europe?
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14:03 | <pscheie> nubae, http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_ByTheSea2011
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14:03 | <highvoltage> organise one, nubae :)
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14:04 | <nubae> I'd love to.... organising... all of those willing to meet somewhere in Europe, say central... maybe Brussels say aye
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14:04 | :-)
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14:04 | <pscheie> How many people went down to Brazil last year (or was it 2009) for LTSP's 10th anniversary?
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14:04 | <nubae> not enough
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14:05 | <highvoltage> brazil is one of the very few places in the world where I don't need a visa to go to
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14:05 | <nubae> but thats understandable Brazil is far and expensive to travel to
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14:05 | <roasted> mgariepy: you should bring the party van to southern PA so I can treat the LTSP'ers to a well earned beer for having tolerated my constant array of questions in here.
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14:05 | <nubae> u need a visa for Belgium?
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14:05 | <pscheie> nubae, I've already been to Brussels. Organize it in, say, Switzerland. ;-)
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14:05 | <highvoltage> nubae: yep, but that's a schengen visa, that's easy at least.
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14:05 | <nubae> how about Spain?
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14:06 | <pscheie> Spain would be good.
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14:06 | <nubae> cool... like Barcelona for example
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14:06 | * highvoltage gusta spain | |
14:06 | <nubae> very IT hip city
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14:06 | <roasted> Can someone take notes for me at the LTSP hack fest if PPC related material comes on the table? :P
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14:06 | <nubae> and, me living here, can organise that quite easily
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14:07 | we could organise it around some other summit taking place at the same time so its not just for ltsp
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14:07 | <highvoltage> nubae: how about just doing it on the pavement on la ramblas street, we'll blend right in :p
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14:07 | <nubae> highvoltage, lol
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14:07 | seville would be great too
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14:07 | as that is home to guadalinex
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14:08 | we'd get many people to come
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14:08 | ]used to work there and am sure people would come if they knew other buntuers were coming
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14:08 | <pscheie> Is gaudalinex the regional distro there?
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14:08 | <nubae> and seville is both cheap
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14:09 | yes, but its big.... REAL big
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14:09 | was in the R and D department and that had 10 people... the whole department had about 200
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14:09 | <pscheie> Right, weren't they putting it into something like 34k schools?
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14:09 | <nubae> we managed all the public schools in Andalucia
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14:09 | and the government sites
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14:10 | in total it amounts to about 3 million pcs
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14:10 | right, we had about 10k servers running debian pushing copies of ubuntu to the desktops
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14:10 | wasnt reallt ltsp
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14:10 | <pscheie> I haven't heard anything about it for a while. I assume the whole project is still humming along?
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14:10 | <nubae> as it was push
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14:10 | but it worked well
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14:11 | <pscheie> More like DRBL?
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14:11 | <nubae> its the longest project I know of thats been working
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14:11 | 10 years now
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14:11 | <pscheie> wow
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14:11 | <nubae> people in Spain are more used to linux than windows
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14:11 | that for me... is a win
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14:11 | no pun intended
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14:12 | but....
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14:12 | <pscheie> A win for the world, I'd say, even though I'm American.
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14:12 | <nubae> it was too beaurocratic for me
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14:12 | <pscheie> Not wasting money on unnecessary scarcity.
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14:12 | <nubae> whatever we did in RD was implemented 2 years down the line
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14:12 | I didnt like that
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14:12 | the bigger the beast gets, the more that happens I suppose
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14:13 | <pscheie> Yeah, in large organizations that's frequently going to be the case.
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14:13 | <nubae> I'm now running pinguyos... thats a nice little OS
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14:13 | <pscheie> Stability & predictability become more important.
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14:13 | <nubae> where things move fast and its stable as its based on buntu
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14:14 | <nubae> yeah a geeks worst nightmare
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14:14 | had to sit through seminars on the correct procedures for going from point A to point C
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14:14 | <pscheie> I just switched to Scientific. It's okay, but a little harder to make work as a desktop than Ubuntu.
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14:14 | <nubae> god it was pointless
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14:15 | check pinguyos if uve got vbox.... its worth a look
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14:15 | also strawberry
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14:15 | <pscheie> Yeah, I've heard good things about pinguyos. Never heard of strawberry.
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14:16 | My day job is Centos stuff, thus the SL.
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14:17 | <nubae> it looks like osx, feels like ubuntu and is stable like debian/centos
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14:17 | i love it
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14:17 | <pscheie> Besides, someone has to represent Fedora/RHEL/Centos at BTS. :-)
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14:17 | <nubae> hey i have nothing bad to say... my day job involves rh 6 to a degree too
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14:17 | olpc school server is using it
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14:43 | <fellowEnt> I know this is off topic but, can anyone recommend a good open source spam filter?
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14:43 | <Hyperbyte> Spamassassin.
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14:43 | <nubae> dasnguardian
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14:43 | oh spam
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14:43 | sorrry
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14:43 | heh
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14:43 | there is also an all in one spam/filter/proxy
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14:43 | i forget what its called but its good
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14:44 | <fellowEnt> assp?
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14:44 | <nubae> webcontentfilter or something
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14:44 | its in launchpad somewhere
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14:44 | i installed it for many schools
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14:44 | and it has a nice gui to go with it
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14:44 | <fellowEnt> I like spamassassin, I just have one requirement... immediate notification of a blocked message; many I've tested just won't do it
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14:46 | <nubae> https://launchpad.net/webcontentcontrol
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14:46 | thats the one
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14:46 | <fellowEnt> ty kind sir
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14:46 | <Hyperbyte> fellowEnt, that doesn't sound too hard with Spamassassin.
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14:47 | <nubae> i liked parental control gui, though its coded in gambas
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14:47 | theres a screenshot on the launchpad page to look at
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14:48 | <fellowEnt> cool, our current solution runs on the front end exch server... i hate it
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14:48 | <Hyperbyte> fellowEnt, basically, spamassassin is a program that says "mail is spam" or "mail isn't spam". Any action that is taken with spam messages, like moving messages, deleting them, sending a notification, etc... is done via procmail.
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14:49 | <fellowEnt> I'm looking to have a linux box do the filtering then pass it on to exchange
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14:49 | <Hyperbyte> Why do you need a notification though?
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14:49 | <fellowEnt> our users need to know if a message has been blocked
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14:49 | <Hyperbyte> Ah
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14:50 | Well procmail can easily rewrite a subject of a spam message to include [SPAM] for example
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14:50 | <fellowEnt> we're an insurance company, so there's constantly pics of wrecked cars being sent in
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14:50 | <Hyperbyte> Or move them to a seperate folder in the users' mail account.
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14:50 | While you're at it, add clamd as well into our procmail, then you are also protected against virus mails.
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14:50 | *your
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14:50 | <fellowEnt> oh the other thing is users CANNOT have control over their quarantine, they must go through helpdesk
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14:52 | <Hyperbyte> fellowEnt, either way - regardless of what you want to do - spamassassin or any other anti-spam agent won't do it for you.
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14:52 | Like I said, Spamassassin just says "mail is spam" or "mail is not spam". Procmail decides what happens next.
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14:52 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procmail
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14:54 | <fellowEnt> it's awesome how many commercial products are using spamassassin
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14:56 | it just pains me to buy into an appliance (physical or virtual) that I can build myself for a fraction of the cost
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15:00 | <Hyperbyte> What you're talking about doesn't sound all that hard to setup with procmail.
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15:40 | <xsl> hello all, do multimedia card readers mount automatically on LTSP? ( like usb devices )
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18:21 | <RevShaft> Need to configure ltsp to defer dchp to my router. My understanding is that I need to set up ProxyDHCP, but am having difficulty finding documentation for doing so under Ubuntu 11.10. Anyone have a suggested link?
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18:38 | <Hyperbyte> Search Google for 'ltsp proxy dhcp'
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18:38 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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18:38 | First result
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18:38 | :)
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18:38 | Ah, that's not 11.10 documentation - sorry.
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18:38 | But it's probably the same for 11.10.
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18:39 | <RevShaft> I saw the 10.x note at the top, too...
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18:39 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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18:41 | <RevShaft> I'm just beginning tinkering with it.
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18:42 | Wondered if I could set up dhcp on the ltsp box to only accept requests from specific mac addresses.
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18:43 | And if so, if non-matching mac addresses would automatically go to the router.
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18:44 | My son's Xbox doesn't like the new toy on the network. :)
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18:46 | <Hyperbyte> You probably can
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18:46 | You can have specific address based config in dhcpd.conf
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18:46 | Not sure how to make it ignore other addresses though.
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18:48 | By the way
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18:48 | ProxyDHCP isn't the answer
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18:48 | <RevShaft> There was a "deny unknown-clients" config option I tried, but didn't help.
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18:48 | <Hyperbyte> You can only have one DHCP server on the network - either your router's or LTSP's
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18:48 | If a client asks for an IP, and gets two responses, it won't know which one to pick.
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18:49 | ProxyDHCP is useful only when you have a main DHCP server, and run your LTSP clients through that.
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18:49 | For example:
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18:49 | Router <-> LTSP server <-> LTSP clients
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18:49 | That would work best in your case I think.
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18:49 | You can do without proxy DHCP then, and just do a normal LTSP setup.
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18:50 | It would require a second switch for all the clients, and an LTSP server with two network cards
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18:50 | Another solution, would be to disable your router's DHCP server, and only use LTSP's DHCP server.
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18:50 | <RevShaft> The LTSP box is virtualized, and already has the second NIC.
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18:51 | The virtualization is why I'd rather use the hardware router than the virtualized stuff.
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18:51 | <Hyperbyte> That's nice, but unless you virtualize a switch as well, and seperate one DHCP server from the other, it's not gonna help.
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18:51 | Point is: you can't have more than one DHCP server active on one physical network.
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18:52 | So either disable the router DHCP server and work with LTSP's DHCP server
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18:52 | <Hyperbyte> Or get a second network card with a network that is physically seperated from the other one.
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18:53 | <RevShaft> I see what you're saying now.
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18:53 | * RevShaft is not a network guy. :) | |
18:56 | <RevShaft> Would a VLAN work in this case as well?
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18:58 | * Hyperbyte is not a virtualization guy. :) | |
18:58 | <RevShaft> lol
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18:59 | Alright. Looks like I have some reading to do. Thanks for the help.
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18:59 | <Hyperbyte> When a client requests a DHCP lease, it broadcasts onto the network, and all devices in the network receive that request.
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18:59 | The devices that are running a DHCP server, will send back a lease.
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18:59 | If a client receives two leases, the server that responds fastest, wins.
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18:59 | Hence, you can only have one DHCP server in a network.
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19:00 | A VLAN would probably work, as long as it doesn't broadcast from VLAN to normal LAN
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19:00 | <khildin> make that 1 DHCP server in a subnet...
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19:00 | network can have multiple subnets
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19:01 | or vlans.. ;)
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19:02 | <RevShaft> But a PXE device doesn't know which subnet it's on, right? So it wouldn't care which subnet the DHCP reply came from?
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19:05 | <Hyperbyte> khildin, that's the problem. A DHCP client has no subnet until it gets a lease.
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19:06 | RevShaft, correct.
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19:09 | <khildin> agree... stand corrected... it must be on 1 network.... and for each network (or VLAN) you need 1 DHCP server...
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19:09 | all must be physicaly seperated
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19:10 | <RevShaft> Crap.
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19:10 | <khildin> and VLAN is physicaly seperated too... but configured on 1 device (switch)
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19:11 | <RevShaft> Didn't realize there was physical separation on a VLAN. Good to know.
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19:11 | I guess it makes sense.
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19:12 | Otherwise it's just a different subnet sharing traffic over the same wire.
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19:12 | Whoo! Edumacation. Thanks, guys.
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19:13 | <khildin> lol
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19:53 | <RevShaft> I think I'm close. Using dnsmasq. DHCP is working, clients getting leases from the router...
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19:54 | Thin client boots, starts the Ubuntu booting screen, but dumps out to busybox just when the login screen should appear.
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19:55 | I ran ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image after changes to the NIC address.
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19:55 | And restarted the nbd service
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20:05 | <RevShaft> Nevermind. Got it.
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20:40 | <Hyperbyte> RevShaft, nice. :)
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