IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 21 June 2010 (all times are UTC)
| 00:20 | vagrantc has quit IRC | |
| 00:24 | ltspbot has joined #ltsp | |
| 01:13 | sean74 has joined #ltsp | |
| 01:31 | cyberorg has quit IRC | |
| 01:44 | cyberorg has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:01 | dobber has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:06 | <sweetpi> this may sound stupid... but if someone were to eject their pcmcia network card durring a session and plug it back in, what would happen?
| |
| 02:08 | <Appiah> I'd bet it would just lock up or freeze then end up on console having to reboot
| |
| 02:09 | but you could always try and see
| |
| 02:09 | <sweetpi> i dont have a card to try it
| |
| 02:09 | what about if i had eth0 and eth1 and eth0 went down, is there a way to switch to eth1?
| |
| 02:09 | <Appiah> well all I know is you should not
| |
| 02:10 | <sweetpi> i agree haha
| |
| 02:10 | <Appiah> well if you made some bond in the chroot (?!)
| |
| 02:11 | <sweetpi> what do you mean? like an if-down script or something?
| |
| 02:12 | <Appiah> there's NIC bonding
| |
| 02:12 | <alkisg> I've tried putting the same IP on my laptop's wired + wireless cards
| |
| 02:12 | <sweetpi> oh i see
| |
| 02:12 | <alkisg> Now when I turn off the wireless, I use eth0
| |
| 02:12 | <Appiah> if you were connected with a bond for reduancy , one can drop without problem
| |
| 02:12 | <alkisg> And when I turn on the wireless and pull off the cable, I use wlan
| |
| 02:12 | No broken ssh connections, it works fine
| |
| 02:13 | try2free has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:13 | gnunux has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:13 | try2free has left #ltsp | |
| 02:13 | <sweetpi> actually what im doing is connecting to ltsp via wireless.. and if the signal goes down and comes back up, it locks up(trying to figure out how to fix that)
| |
| 02:14 | it runs great over wireless, but at random after a while it will lock up
| |
| 02:15 | i figured maybe wired had some script to handle that type of situation
| |
| 02:16 | <alkisg> There was a -persist switch to nbd-client that was dropped, I don't know why. Maybe it would help in your case.
| |
| 02:17 | <sweetpi> with wired, if i pull the wire it locks up but when i plug it back in, everything is fine
| |
| 02:17 | ah thanks ill take a look
| |
| 02:18 | rickogden has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:27 | t0mmii has quit IRC | |
| 02:27 | t0mmii has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:30 | PMantis has quit IRC | |
| 02:38 | gecko_ has quit IRC | |
| 02:38 | ogra_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:39 | sepski has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:41 | ogra has quit IRC | |
| 02:43 | PMantis has joined #ltsp | |
| 02:46 | sweetpi has quit IRC | |
| 03:10 | Da-Geek has joined #ltsp | |
| 03:16 | mikkel has joined #ltsp | |
| 03:21 | nUboon2Age has joined #ltsp | |
| 04:04 | Selveste1 has joined #ltsp | |
| 04:10 | bobby_C has joined #ltsp | |
| 04:33 | sean74 has quit IRC | |
| 04:40 | NeonLichT has quit IRC | |
| 04:41 | NeonLichT has joined #ltsp | |
| 04:45 | nUboon2Age has quit IRC | |
| 04:46 | ogra_cmpc has joined #ltsp | |
| 04:49 | NeonLichT has quit IRC | |
| 04:50 | NeonLichT has joined #ltsp | |
| 04:52 | Guerdal82 has joined #ltsp | |
| 05:10 | ogra_cmpc has quit IRC | |
| 05:34 | Egyptian[Home] has quit IRC | |
| 05:48 | Egyptian[Home] has joined #ltsp | |
| 05:49 | DaGeek_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 05:49 | otavio has quit IRC | |
| 05:50 | otavio has joined #ltsp | |
| 05:52 | Da-Geek has quit IRC | |
| 05:57 | alkisg has quit IRC | |
| 06:32 | Guerdal82 has quit IRC | |
| 06:34 | pmatulis has joined #ltsp | |
| 06:34 | chupacabra has quit IRC | |
| 07:36 | alkisg has joined #ltsp | |
| 07:47 | Da-Geek has joined #ltsp | |
| 07:51 | _UsUrPeR_ has quit IRC | |
| 07:59 | sepski has quit IRC | |
| 08:06 | cliebow has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:06 | otavio has quit IRC | |
| 08:06 | otavio has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:07 | otavio has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:23 | mikkel has quit IRC | |
| 08:23 | komunista has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:31 | shawnp0wers has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:41 | ogra_cmpc has joined #ltsp | |
| 08:43 | mikkel has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:16 | vongrippen has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:18 | vongrippen has quit IRC | |
| 09:18 | vongrippen has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:30 | japerry has quit IRC | |
| 09:31 | japerry has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:33 | alexqwesa has quit IRC | |
| 09:34 | alexqwesa has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:35 | chupacabra has joined #ltsp | |
| 09:47 | komunista has quit IRC | |
| 09:50 | Selveste1 has quit IRC | |
| 09:50 | jhutchins_lt has quit IRC | |
| 09:55 | bobby_C has quit IRC | |
| 10:14 | secayford has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:17 | artista_frustrad has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:20 | staffencasa has joined #ltsp | |
| 10:21 | artista_frustrad has quit IRC | |
| 10:24 | gnunux has quit IRC | |
| 10:26 | dobber has quit IRC | |
| 10:34 | Da-Geek has quit IRC | |
| 10:40 | rickogden has quit IRC | |
| 11:05 | slidesinger has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:14 | Ghid0rah has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:34 | johnny has quit IRC | |
| 11:34 | vongrippen has quit IRC | |
| 11:41 | vongrippen has joined #ltsp | |
| 11:43 | johnny has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:01 | vongrippen has quit IRC | |
| 12:06 | Lns has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:08 | vongrippen has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:09 | pmatulis has quit IRC | |
| 12:21 | vongrippen has quit IRC | |
| 12:22 | vongrippen has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:24 | atkuepker has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:24 | zamba has quit IRC | |
| 12:25 | zamba has joined #ltsp | |
| 12:53 | shawnp0wers has quit IRC | |
| 12:55 | _UsUrPeR_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:02 | dissident has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:03 | nUboon2Age has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:05 | cliebow has quit IRC | |
| 13:10 | <nUboon2Age> Maybe someone would be able to help me. I'm needing to learn the right words to describe something and to see if ltsp can do it.
| |
| 13:13 | <alkisg> Do try...
| |
| 13:13 | <nUboon2Age> A friend wants to have a linux server that sits outside of their firewall that can facilitate 'gotomypc'-type remote desktop help/control. What is the name for that?
| |
| 13:15 | <alkisg> vnc
| |
| 13:16 | <nUboon2Age> so the server isn't the one doing the control or the one being controled, its making it easy for two 'third party' machines to work with each other.
| |
| 13:18 | <alkisg> Aaaah. Just for port forwarding?
| |
| 13:18 | <nUboon2Age> i guess, or to get around the issues of port forewarding and firewalls, etc.
| |
| 13:19 | <alkisg> This isn't the right channel for the question, then
| |
| 13:20 | I did implement such a port forwarding service once, but then I switched to using "reverse vnc connections"
| |
| 13:20 | ...in those, the "tech" needs to do port forwarding, but not the "user"
| |
| 13:21 | <nUboon2Age> I used a program the other day that seems to be doing this under the hood, called TeamVeiwer.
| |
| 13:22 | So my friend wanted to do something like that.
| |
| 13:22 | <alkisg> Are you on a unix machine right now?
| |
| 13:22 | <nUboon2Age> linux
| |
| 13:23 | <alkisg> OK, if you want you can try: install x11vnc, and run: x11vnc -connect alkisg.dyndns.org
| |
| 13:23 | This way I'm the "tech" and I get control of your pc like teamviewer,
| |
| 13:23 | and you don't have to open any firewall or ports
| |
| 13:23 | <nUboon2Age> okay, let me try it.
| |
| 13:23 | <alkisg> It's a common unix program, available anywhere.
| |
| 13:25 | <nUboon2Age> just invoked it...
| |
| 13:25 | hi this is alkis ;)
| |
| 13:26 | <alkisg> The gnome vnc viewer program (vinagre) already has support for reverse connections, and there's a bug report for the vnc server (vino) to include it as well
| |
| 13:26 | When it does, we'll have remote support capability out of the box for gnome
| |
| 13:26 | <nUboon2Age> why is there no sign-on screen or anything to indicate that its happening?
| |
| 13:26 | <alkisg> Right now we also do but only from empathy (personal message program)
| |
| 13:26 | Empathy does show an indicator. X11vnc doesn't
| |
| 13:27 | <dissident> does anyone have any ideas why an ltsp-client would get stuck at the boot splash (edubuntu 10.04 in this case)
| |
| 13:27 | <alkisg> dissident: remove quiet splash from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default to see any error messages
| |
| 13:27 | <nUboon2Age> so i could have done this with gnome vinagre?
| |
| 13:28 | <alkisg> No, I'm running vinagre (the tech)
| |
| 13:28 | The user is running x11vnc
| |
| 13:28 | <dissident> alkisg: thnx for that
| |
| 13:28 | <alkisg> When vino-server implements reverse connections, the "user" will be able to run vino-server from "system > preferences > remote desktop" instead of running x11vnc.
| |
| 13:30 | <nUboon2Age> Did i just cut the vnc connection?
| |
| 13:30 | <alkisg> Yup
| |
| 13:31 | <nUboon2Age> So vino-server doesn't have that ability yet? When is that expected?
| |
| 13:31 | <alkisg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/vino/+bug/121961
| |
| 13:31 | And https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=389646
| |
| 13:31 | If enough people vote for that, maybe the developer will do it (faster) :)
| |
| 13:32 | <nUboon2Age> Okay I'll check them and vote for them. Another question is, can the software switch control the other way?
| |
| 13:32 | klausade has quit IRC | |
| 13:33 | <alkisg> No, not this one. Try also empathy.
| |
| 13:33 | Empathy is like msn, and it has a "share my desktop" ability
| |
| 13:33 | Gadi has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:34 | dobber_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:34 | [SmG]Nessa has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:34 | <nUboon2Age> Really, I didn't know that. hmmm...
| |
| 13:34 | [SmG]Nessa has quit IRC | |
| 13:34 | <nUboon2Age> so is there an experiment that we could do to demo that?
| |
| 13:34 | <alkisg> Ubuntu has empathy preinstalled. The downside is that you have to have the "user" in your contacts list.
| |
| 13:35 | <nUboon2Age> okay, so I have empathy, what would I need to do to see this in action?
| |
| 13:35 | <alkisg> To have a friend in your contacts list, and for him to have empathy too.
| |
| 13:36 | <nUboon2Age> do you have empathy and could we try it?
| |
| 13:36 | * Lns wonders if he's in the right room | |
| 13:36 | <alkisg> Heh
| |
| 13:36 | I'm using pidgin, I haven't switched to empathy yet
| |
| 13:37 | Right, this channel isn't appropriate for this problem
| |
| 13:37 | Try in your distro support channel
| |
| 13:37 | <nUboon2Age> so does ltsp facilitate any of what I've been describing?
| |
| 13:37 | <alkisg> Nope
| |
| 13:37 | <atkuepker> whole different beastie =)
| |
| 13:38 | <nUboon2Age> does anyone know what a "vnc reflector" is and how that might relate to what I'm describing? I saw that ltsp uses one (not sure what for).
| |
| 13:39 | vongrippen has quit IRC | |
| 13:39 | <atkuepker> you might be better served by check with #vnc, since that's what they do there.
| |
| 13:40 | <nUboon2Age> oh atkuepker, good to know about. Thank you! Do you know about 'vnc reflector' and what it does w/in LTSP?
| |
| 13:41 | <alkisg> vnc reflector isn't related to LTSP
| |
| 13:41 | It doesn't do what you're looking for.
| |
| 13:43 | <nUboon2Age> oh, i saw it mentioned in the documentation. Okay just a few more LTSP questions please. Are there good cases for LTSP over the internet or is it mostly just a LAN tool?
| |
| 13:44 | pmatulis has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:45 | atkuepker has left #ltsp | |
| 13:45 | <Lns> nUboon2Age: it's "possible" to run ltsp over a wan but your performance won't be good. You have to have a really good reason to do this as opposed to another solution that would most likely fit your goals better anyway.
| |
| 13:46 | <elias_a> nUboon2Age: Use Nx client to access the LTSP system remotely.
| |
| 13:46 | <Lns> elias_a: you don't even need LTSP to use NX to connect to a remote system
| |
| 13:47 | LTSP is a terminal server for many systems. It's not a remote access solution.
| |
| 13:48 | <nUboon2Age> Ah, thank you Lns: and elias_a: . Last question. I was listening to a couple of podcasts where some of the main LTSP were talking and at the time (i think 2005 and 2008) it seemed like the project was very hot. Is this still the case?
| |
| 13:48 | <Lns> nUboon2Age: you sound like a journalist ;)
| |
| 13:48 | <elias_a> Lns: I know that. Still, NX is very well tested with LTSP.
| |
| 13:49 | See https://oa.doria.fi/handle/10024/5803
| |
| 13:49 | Just to give an example.
| |
| 13:49 | <Lns> elias_a: tested with LTSP how? How is testing NX on an LTSP server any different than testing NX on a Linux server not running LTSP?
| |
| 13:49 | <nUboon2Age> Lns: :) I guess thank you?
| |
| 13:50 | <elias_a> nUboon2Age: LTSP is hotter than ever.
| |
| 13:51 | <Lns> LTSP is further along and more mature/robust than it's ever been, thanks to the tireless efforts of all of it's awesome developers and everyone else behind the project.
| |
| 13:52 | <nUboon2Age> elias_a: Lns: Thank you. I guess the remote access I've been asking about is different enough that LTSP wouldn't include it. One of the reasons i thouht of it was because one of the interviewers asked if there would be a 'GoToMeeting' capability included at some point.
| |
| 13:52 | <elias_a> Lns: In such a waythat NX is widely used in Finland to give the students access to the system using NX.
| |
| 13:52 | <Lns> The community is thriving and IMHO it's a poster-child for how open source communities are successful
| |
| 13:53 | <elias_a> The use does not differ from other uses, that is true.
| |
| 13:54 | <Lns> LTSP solves the problem of booting diskless terminals to a central server over a LAN - such as in a computer lab, classroom, etc... GoToMeeting and other related software solves the problem of accessing a computer from a remote location. The LTSP project shouldn't include this functionality because it's not in its scope of functionality.
| |
| 13:55 | <elias_a> The reason why I mentioned it is the quality of user experience.
| |
| 13:56 | <nUboon2Age> I'm a newcomer to Linux and I'm blown away by the support available. This irc channel is yet another example. Well I appreciate you all answering some out - of the way questions and alkisg for demoing vnc for me. Thank you Lns: elias_a: alkisg: atkeuper: !!!
| |
| 13:56 | <Lns> nUboon2Age: anytime :)
| |
| 13:56 | <nUboon2Age> and I'll check out #vnc. Thanks for the reference. :)
| |
| 13:57 | <elias_a> nUboon2Age: Keep the questions coming ;-)
| |
| 13:58 | atkuepker has joined #ltsp | |
| 14:19 | <Ghid0rah> Anyone run into a problem where gnome menus and shortcuts disappear
| |
| 14:20 | bobby_C has joined #ltsp | |
| 14:21 | <Lns> Ghid0rah: are you running more than 1 session by the same user?
| |
| 14:22 | <atkuepker> Ghid0rah, Yes. We usually end up blowing our the .gnome* and .gconf* directories
| |
| 14:22 | but as Lns pointed out, we also don't have XExit into production yet either.
| |
| 14:23 | <Ghid0rah> Here is what is happening. I'm attempting to create a system wide menu under gnome so that all our students will access to our school specific apps
| |
| 14:23 | I create the entries for the menu and shortcuts per gnome instructions
| |
| 14:23 | with the cli
| |
| 14:24 | users can initally see them but upon logging off and back on
| |
| 14:24 | they can no longer see the menu or it's items
| |
| 14:24 | <Lns> Ghid0rah: are you running more than 1 session by the same user?
| |
| 14:24 | <Ghid0rah> no
| |
| 14:24 | <Lns> k
| |
| 14:25 | <Ghid0rah> I'm the only user on the system currently
| |
| 14:25 | <Lns> Ghid0rah: explain how you use the shell to create menus and shortcuts pls
| |
| 14:26 | <Ghid0rah> I 1st create the file in /usr/share/desktop-directories
| |
| 14:26 | school.directory
| |
| 14:27 | <!-- school--> <Menu> <Name>school</Name> <Directory>school.directory</Directory> <Include> <And> <Category>school</Category> </And> </Include> </Menu> <!-- End school -->
| |
| 14:27 | under /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu
| |
| 14:28 | then i create the actual links under /usr/share/applications/
| |
| 14:28 | with the .desktop files
| |
| 14:28 | everything works initally but then stops
| |
| 14:28 | <Lns> are you creating them with sane permissions for users to see all of this stuff?
| |
| 14:28 | <Ghid0rah> The files have the same permissions as every other file in the corresponding directory
| |
| 14:28 | rwx-r-r
| |
| 14:29 | with root as owner
| |
| 14:29 | <Lns> k
| |
| 14:29 | are you using sabayon as well for anything?
| |
| 14:29 | <Ghid0rah> sabayon is install
| |
| 14:29 | I attempted to use it for this purpose but it failed
| |
| 14:29 | <Lns> Im not sure but sabayon might be overriding your user menu/stuff settings
| |
| 14:30 | upon login
| |
| 14:30 | <Ghid0rah> hrmm
| |
| 14:30 | <Lns> that's how sabayon works - looks at your user and if its part of a profile, and applies settings accordingly (iirc)
| |
| 14:30 | <Ghid0rah> I removed the sabayon profiles
| |
| 14:30 | and then wiped the homedirs
| |
| 14:31 | should I remove sabayon from the system
| |
| 14:31 | ?
| |
| 14:32 | <atkuepker> I did. never worked well enough for us to justify the hassle. We're a "business" deployment instead of a school, so it's of limited benefit to us anyway.
| |
| 14:32 | <Lns> Ghid0rah: you could try, but if you removed the profiles it'd be a bug if it kept trying afterwards
| |
| 14:32 | if that is, in fact, what's going on
| |
| 14:33 | <Ghid0rah> it's worth a shot
| |
| 14:33 | dmarkey has quit IRC | |
| 14:34 | <Ghid0rah> Evil sabayon
| |
| 14:34 | dmarkey has joined #ltsp | |
| 14:35 | <Ghid0rah> Upon removal of sabayon the menu and items appear.
| |
| 14:35 | <Lns> hey sabayon is great - sbalneav has been working his *ss off to get it up to speed..you should file a bug about what's going on so he can fix it
| |
| 14:35 | * alkisg appreciates all the hard work sbalneav put to it, but never liked/used sabayon | |
| 14:35 | <Ghid0rah> sabayon is almost perfect
| |
| 14:36 | I had an excellent student profile built
| |
| 14:39 | dmarkey has quit IRC | |
| 14:40 | dmarkey has joined #ltsp | |
| 14:44 | dmarkey has quit IRC | |
| 14:46 | dmarkey has joined #ltsp | |
| 14:56 | dmarkey has quit IRC | |
| 14:56 | dmarkey has joined #ltsp | |
| 15:02 | shamino has quit IRC | |
| 15:03 | dmarkey has quit IRC | |
| 15:04 | dmarkey has joined #ltsp | |
| 15:04 | wwx has quit IRC | |
| 15:05 | wwx has joined #ltsp | |
| 15:09 | dadar has joined #ltsp | |
| 15:09 | jammcq has joined #ltsp | |
| 15:12 | pmatulis has quit IRC | |
| 15:14 | <dadar> Hi, i have upgraded my ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04. After fixing the tftp problem i see the loginscreen. But if i enter my username and password the loginscreen come back every time. Does somebody have an idea what i have to do?
| |
| 15:14 | <Appiah> check your lts.conf and see if you got a SERVER=
| |
| 15:15 | or just check /var/log/messages
| |
| 15:15 | <alkisg> Also try sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
| |
| 15:15 | <johnny> and make sure you have that user account on the server!
| |
| 15:15 | hah :)
| |
| 15:15 | <atkuepker> what alkisg said. That one got me.
| |
| 15:15 | <dadar> :)
| |
| 15:15 | in this file appiah /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf?
| |
| 15:15 | <Appiah> do what alkisg said first , thats a common issue :D
| |
| 15:16 | <dadar> only x_COLOR_DEPTH=16 is in that file
| |
| 15:16 | i did that
| |
| 15:16 | but i will try again
| |
| 15:16 | faranda has joined #ltsp | |
| 15:16 | shamino has joined #ltsp | |
| 15:18 | <alkisg> Are the username/passwords accepted or you get a "server not responded, restarting"?
| |
| 15:19 | <dadar> no he check the password an then he restart the loginscreen
| |
| 15:19 | <alkisg> Hmmm maybe you should check ~/.xsession-errors then (compiz problems come to mind)
| |
| 15:20 | <dadar> there is no filelike that in the user folder
| |
| 15:20 | <alkisg> It's hidden, if you're using nautilus check "show hidden files" from the menu
| |
| 15:21 | To verify that the username/password was accepted, you can look at auth.log
| |
| 15:21 | Grindar has joined #ltsp | |
| 15:22 | <dadar> Accepted password for taudien from 10.0.2.220 port 59202 ssh2
| |
| 15:22 | <Grindar> hey guys, trying to set up ltsp with a windows server dhcp box and something isn't working right :p
| |
| 15:22 | running ltsp on a fedora box
| |
| 15:22 | <alkisg> dadar: hmmm maybe you should try disabling compiz then, it has the same symptoms that you're describing
| |
| 15:22 | !compiz
| |
| 15:22 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
| |
| 15:24 | jhutchins_lt has joined #ltsp | |
| 15:25 | <dadar> great thank you! now it works
| |
| 15:25 | <Grindar> anyone know how to configure dhcp on windows server to point tftp correctly to the ltsp box? that seems to be my issue
| |
| 15:26 | <Lns> Grindar: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
| |
| 15:26 | <alkisg> Grindar: here's a relevant page from Ubuntu, maybe it'll help you: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWindowsDHCP
| |
| 15:26 | <Lns> lol
| |
| 15:27 | <alkisg> Ah beated by Lns for a few nanoseconds :D
| |
| 15:27 | *beaten
| |
| 15:27 | * Lns and alkisg are always fighting for the linked answers haha | |
| 15:27 | <Lns> dude
| |
| 15:27 | alkisg:
| |
| 15:27 | you're versed in ltspbot stuff right?
| |
| 15:27 | <alkisg> Only a bit
| |
| 15:27 | <Lns> isn't it possible for it to monitor keywords and suggest URLs instead of just doing !foo ?
| |
| 15:28 | i've seen that in other channels
| |
| 15:28 | <alkisg> Ah, you need sbalneav for this. I think we're using supybot here, and other channels have other bots
| |
| 15:28 | I bet there are supybot plugins for this, I've seen dozens of plugins in its site
| |
| 15:29 | <Grindar> ok, checking it out, will be back if I have questions :p
| |
| 15:29 | jhutchins_lt has quit IRC | |
| 15:29 | <alkisg> Lns, the problem with the URLs is that many are distro specific
| |
| 15:29 | <Lns> that would be such a good addition to the chan
| |
| 15:29 | true
| |
| 15:29 | <alkisg> johnny already accused me when I added
| |
| 15:30 | !lts.conf
| |
| 15:30 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
| |
| 15:30 | <alkisg> :P
| |
| 15:30 | <Lns> hrm
| |
| 15:30 | we need a central ltsp wiki
| |
| 15:30 | that everyone can migrate the ubuntu info to
| |
| 15:30 | and other wiki stuff
| |
| 15:31 | <alkisg> We have one in sourceforge, but sbalneavs needs to manually put every interested user in a wiki-writers list
| |
| 15:31 | And those users need to be sf users too I think
| |
| 15:33 | <dadar> i have some old pc's with intel graficcards i insert XSERVER=vesa into lts.conf but the resulution is only 1024 what can i do?
| |
| 15:33 | <alkisg> Why do you put XSERVER=vesa?
| |
| 15:33 | What chipset do they have?
| |
| 15:34 | <dadar> without i got a black screen on boot
| |
| 15:34 | <alkisg> There are other ways to work around it
| |
| 15:34 | Try lspci on one of those clients to see the chipset
| |
| 15:34 | vesa will drop performance a lot, it should be avoided if possible
| |
| 15:35 | <dadar> this work on the termsrv console?
| |
| 15:35 | <alkisg> (and it will offer less modes)
| |
| 15:35 | !localxterm
| |
| 15:35 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
| |
| 15:35 | <alkisg> run lspci -nn|grep VGA on a localxterm
| |
| 15:36 | <dadar> okay i install that stuff
| |
| 15:36 | <alkisg> dadar: you don't need to install it
| |
| 15:36 | It should be already installed..
| |
| 15:36 | <dadar> ok
| |
| 15:40 | <Grindar> ok, I have my dhcp options set as it is in the windows/ubuntu guide you guys linked me. firewall is disabled, and we've used other pxe services across our gateway device over the last couple weeks, so it shouldn't be firewall issue. Any idea why the client is timing out?
| |
| 15:42 | <Ghid0rah> so the pxeclient just times out
| |
| 15:42 | <alkisg> Grindar: LTSP in Fedora is ...well... unmaintained, and not many people here use it. Also it uses some bridge setup which other distros don't use, so I don't think you'll get much help here.
| |
| 15:42 | Try posting in the mailing list, you might get an answer there.
| |
| 15:42 | <Grindar> alk, the bridge is disabled, I'm using eth0
| |
| 15:43 | <alkisg> Hmmm.... can you try booting with gpxe?
| |
| 15:43 | <Grindar> I've got the build and everything done correctly, I think, it's just a network issue, I think
| |
| 15:43 | <alkisg> gpxe is very handy for dhcp problems
| |
| 15:45 | highvoltage has quit IRC | |
| 15:45 | <Grindar> burning a copy now
| |
| 15:46 | <dadar> okay tryed the localapps command but no window popup
| |
| 15:46 | xterm is installed localy
| |
| 15:48 | and the ltsp-localapps command is available
| |
| 15:48 | <alkisg> dadar, did you rebuild your chroot from scratch after the update?
| |
| 15:49 | I.e. did you call ltsp-build-client/
| |
| 15:49 | ?
| |
| 15:49 | <dadar> yes i did
| |
| 15:49 | <alkisg> Weird. OK, then you can use SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf
| |
| 15:49 | !local_screen
| |
| 15:49 | <ltspbot> alkisg: Error: "local_screen" is not a valid command.
| |
| 15:49 | <Grindar> ok, weird. the gpxe is showing it trying to boot from a different ip address than the one I put in. trying to boot from 10.10.104.14, should be booting from 10.10.4.168 (long story, the networks are connected by the gateway device)
| |
| 15:49 | <alkisg> Damn I forgot this one
| |
| 15:49 | <dadar> and removed the /opt/ltsp/i386
| |
| 15:50 | <alkisg> dadar: put the following in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf:
| |
| 15:50 | [Default]
| |
| 15:50 | SCREEN_02=shell
| |
| 15:50 | SCREEN_07=ldm
| |
| 15:50 | <Grindar> also showing the wrong filename?
| |
| 15:50 | <alkisg> Reboot the client, and switch to vt2 with alt+ctrl+f2. Run the lspci command there.
| |
| 15:50 | <dadar> okay will try that
| |
| 15:51 | <alkisg> Grindar: then you have a network configuration problem. Gpxe is flexible enough to boot even without a dhcp server, but for normal booting, you should only have 1 dhcp server around...
| |
| 15:52 | vongrippen has joined #ltsp | |
| 15:53 | vongrippen has joined #ltsp | |
| 15:54 | <Grindar> I'm rebooting the windows server on the chance that it's just still remembering the last one my boss tried to configure
| |
| 15:54 | <Ghid0rah> has anyone messed around with LTSP-cluster?
| |
| 15:54 | <dadar> alkisg: the screen prints tty=/dev/tty2 but i have no commandline
| |
| 15:54 | <Appiah> well.. I set it up once
| |
| 15:54 | and it worked
| |
| 15:54 | <Grindar> even though I've restarted the dhcp service numerous times
| |
| 15:55 | <alkisg> dadar: ouch. Do you still have XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf?
| |
| 15:55 | <dadar> yes i will remove that
| |
| 15:55 | <alkisg> dadar: no, don't
| |
| 15:55 | Hm....
| |
| 15:56 | How much RAM do your clients have?
| |
| 15:57 | Faithful has quit IRC | |
| 15:57 | <alkisg> Try leaving only SCREEN_07=shell - and remove the ldm screen.
| |
| 15:59 | dissident has quit IRC | |
| 16:02 | <nUboon2Age> Lns: btw, I'm looking at your web site. Very very nicely done! That really makes the case for LTSP (esp. in schools). My $.02 I think your site should be referenced by the main LTSP site -- and not just as a link off of 'Success Stories as it is now. jammcq: Maybe make a link of the "empowering schools" on the main page.
| |
| 16:03 | <Grindar> I'm actually with a county school district in mississippi. we're hoping to use ltsp and rdesktop to power some of our labs
| |
| 16:03 | <dadar> After i removed the xserver line every pc works now with the correct resulotion
| |
| 16:04 | the clients have 64-128 mb ram
| |
| 16:04 | <alkisg> Maybe that's why it failed, low RAM
| |
| 16:04 | <dadar> thay have 800 mhz
| |
| 16:04 | <alkisg> I think you should enable NBD_SWAP
| |
| 16:04 | <faranda> Hello
| |
| 16:04 | I'm trying to do work ltspfs with nx-client and I don't found how to the client starts ltspfs. As far as I know, it generates a socket for connecting devices to the server.
| |
| 16:05 | <alkisg> dadar: (I mean why SCREEN_02=shell and ltsp-localapps xterm failed)
| |
| 16:05 | <faranda> someone has done this before
| |
| 16:06 | <dadar> alkisg: now every thing work without the xserver line.. the screen_02 too. will share you this informations
| |
| 16:07 | <alkisg> Nice. In my experience, 64Mb clients need either NBD_SWAP or a local swap space on Lucid.
| |
| 16:07 | If you could divide the ram so that all have at least 96MB, it'd be best.
| |
| 16:08 | <faranda> I have a script that starts NX login screen and it works fine, except that the socket that requires ltspfs not generated.
| |
| 16:09 | <dadar> okay will upgrade them soon
| |
| 16:10 | the last problem ist the screensaver.. if i input the password and try to unlook he say it is not the correct one
| |
| 16:12 | <Gadi> !seen sbalneav
| |
| 16:12 | <ltspbot> Gadi: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 3 weeks, 5 days, 4 hours, 31 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <sbalneav> win 1
| |
| 16:15 | loathing has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:21 | <dadar> alkisg: all pc's have allready 128 mb ram.
| |
| 16:21 | <alkisg> Nice, no problem then.
| |
| 16:22 | <dadar> okey the auth log say unix_chkpwd[7737]: check pass; user unknown
| |
| 16:22 | for the screensaver prob
| |
| 16:22 | the next line is unix_chkpwd[7737]: password check failed for user (taudien)
| |
| 16:22 | <alkisg> That auth.log is on the server?
| |
| 16:22 | <dadar> and the last one gnome-screensaver-dialog: pam_unix(gnome-screensaver:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=1001 euid=1001 tty=localhost:11.0 ruser= rhost= user=taudien
| |
| 16:23 | yes
| |
| 16:23 | <alkisg> Weird, I've never heard of that problem.
| |
| 16:25 | Selveste1 has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:25 | <Grindar> ok, good news, k12linux is up!
| |
| 16:25 | <dadar> here is the lspci for the vga 82810E DC-133
| |
| 16:25 | <Grindar> anyone have any idea what the default login is?
| |
| 16:28 | <Appiah> create your users on the server
| |
| 16:28 | and login
| |
| 16:32 | japerry has quit IRC | |
| 16:33 | mikkel has quit IRC | |
| 16:38 | <Grindar> ok, the reason I can't login is it can't authenticate with the server. Any ideas on what to look for?
| |
| 16:40 | <alkisg> auth.log?
| |
| 16:40 | <dadar> alkisg: it was a rights problem on the /etc/shadow file... last question where can i change the backgroud image of the loginscreen?
| |
| 16:41 | and many many thanks to you!
| |
| 16:41 | <alkisg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LDMThemeChange
| |
| 16:41 | <NeonLichT> Grindar, do you have your user allowed on sshd_config?
| |
| 16:41 | <alkisg> You're welcome
| |
| 16:41 | <atkuepker> I was playing with Theme Change the other day. Lots of fun there.
| |
| 16:42 | <Ghid0rah> has anyone had much success with iTalc?
| |
| 16:42 | <Grindar> er, probably not. Checking.
| |
| 16:43 | we're hoping to experiment with iTalc later this summer
| |
| 16:44 | Faithful has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:44 | <NeonLichT> None, Ghid0rah, I've tried it a few times, with different versions of LTSP, everytime I've set up a server, actually, and never had any success at all with iTalc.
| |
| 16:45 | <Ghid0rah> it seems like a bear to get going
| |
| 16:45 | <alkisg> In Ubuntu you all need an "apt-get install italc-master"
| |
| 16:45 | *all you..
| |
| 16:46 | <Ghid0rah> ideally I would like to have the server not be the master
| |
| 16:46 | <alkisg> But I had frequent crashes in some labs, so we developed our own solution instead
| |
| 16:46 | <Ghid0rah> I just want to monitor the thin clients from another machine
| |
| 16:46 | * NeonLichT goes to look the idiom "to seem like a bear" on the Cambridge Idioms Dictionary :) | |
| 16:46 | shamino has quit IRC | |
| 16:47 | japerry has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:47 | <Ghid0rah> what kind of solution did you develop alkisg?
| |
| 16:47 | <dadar> thank you and good night!
| |
| 16:47 | <alkisg> Good night dadar
| |
| 16:47 | dadar has left #ltsp | |
| 16:47 | <alkisg> Ghid0rah: http://wiki.ubuntu-gr.org/sch-scripts/screenshots
| |
| 16:48 | ...unfortunately it won't be internationalized for the next 2 years :-/
| |
| 16:48 | highvoltage has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:48 | <Ghid0rah> does it just take screen shots of the clients?
| |
| 16:48 | shamino has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:48 | <NeonLichT> Damn it! It's not there :(
| |
| 16:49 | <Ghid0rah> lol
| |
| 16:49 | <alkisg> Ghid0rah: no we can broadcast the teacher screen, take control of the student screen, lock/unlock, mute sound etc, build a fat chroot with a wizard....
| |
| 16:49 | <Grindar> ok, I clicked the sshd box in the 'admin' user profile, is there another place to do it?
| |
| 16:49 | <Ghid0rah> dang
| |
| 16:49 | nice
| |
| 16:49 | <Grindar> it still errored out
| |
| 16:50 | <Ghid0rah> alkisg: did you build from scratch or build off of something else
| |
| 16:50 | <Grindar> or did that just add the group and not authorize it yet?
| |
| 16:51 | <faranda> hey guys, you know a trick to save the user name and password that is entered in the greeter of the LDM.
| |
| 16:51 | <alkisg> We build the network backend in python (twisted) and bash, and for the monitoring/controlling we're using x11vnc and xvnc4viewer. The locking/muting/wizards are developed from scratch in python.
| |
| 16:52 | It only needs 1 Mb RAM on the clients, we tried to keep the 64mb minimum requirements.
| |
| 16:52 | BenG has joined #ltsp | |
| 16:53 | <Ghid0rah> seems very nice.
| |
| 16:53 | I'm going to get beat up by my users
| |
| 16:53 | they wanted iTalc or TeacherTool working but I don't know if it is going to happen
| |
| 16:54 | japerry has quit IRC | |
| 16:54 | <atkuepker> Theme doc is a bit out of date though. It looks like that can be managed using /etc/alternatives nowadays?
| |
| 16:54 | that or I'm once again insufficiently caffeinated.
| |
| 16:57 | <faranda> with that information I could call the NX client ... is that it occurs to me now, someone has a better idea?
| |
| 16:59 | Grindar has quit IRC | |
| 17:02 | Lns has quit IRC | |
| 17:09 | vongrippen has quit IRC | |
| 17:11 | japerry has joined #ltsp | |
| 17:13 | <alkisg> Ghid0rah: did you try italc and got stuck somewhere?
| |
| 17:14 | johnny has quit IRC | |
| 17:15 | <alkisg> atkuepker: the ldm themes? Sure, but if someone wants to install his own theme, he'd have to create a package for update-alternatives to work... so just copying an existing theme seems easier
| |
| 17:16 | <atkuepker> true. I was just looking at the relative paths in relation to the chroot and wondering about that.
| |
| 17:40 | Gadi has left #ltsp | |
| 17:44 | faranda has left #ltsp | |
| 18:02 | jammcq has quit IRC | |
| 18:05 | alkisg has quit IRC | |
| 18:28 | staffencasa has quit IRC | |
| 18:29 | slidesinger has quit IRC | |
| 18:29 | ogra_ has quit IRC | |
| 18:29 | tstafford has quit IRC | |
| 18:29 | maslak has quit IRC | |
| 18:29 | sep has quit IRC | |
| 18:30 | alexqwesa has quit IRC | |
| 18:31 | alexqwesa has joined #ltsp | |
| 18:32 | secayford has left #ltsp | |
| 18:32 | bobby_C has quit IRC | |
| 18:33 | BenG has quit IRC | |
| 18:37 | japerry has quit IRC | |
| 18:38 | artista_frustrad has joined #ltsp | |
| 18:39 | vongrippen has joined #ltsp | |
| 18:42 | artista_frustrad has quit IRC | |
| 18:43 | tstafford has joined #ltsp | |
| 18:43 | Selveste1 has quit IRC | |
| 18:44 | ogra_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 18:45 | slidesinger has joined #ltsp | |
| 18:47 | leio_ has joined #ltsp | |
| 18:49 | leio has quit IRC | |
| 18:53 | dobber_ has quit IRC | |
| 19:12 | slidesinger has quit IRC | |
| 19:23 | maslak has joined #ltsp | |
| 19:23 | sep has joined #ltsp | |
| 19:25 | vongrippen has quit IRC | |
| 20:07 | pmatulis has joined #ltsp | |
| 20:35 | cyberorg has quit IRC | |
| 20:36 | chupacabra has quit IRC | |
| 21:01 | pmatulis has quit IRC | |
| 21:07 | artista_frustrad has joined #ltsp | |
| 21:07 | japerry has joined #ltsp | |
| 21:33 | leio_ is now known as leio | |
| 21:35 | vagrantc has joined #ltsp | |
| 21:41 | chupacabra has joined #ltsp | |
| 21:47 | map7 has quit IRC | |
| 21:50 | nUboon2Age has quit IRC | |
| 21:57 | sweetpi has joined #ltsp | |
| 22:13 | japerry has quit IRC | |
| 22:15 | cyberorg has joined #ltsp | |
| 22:19 | nUboon2Age has joined #ltsp | |
| 22:24 | japerry has joined #ltsp | |
| 22:41 | chupa has joined #ltsp | |
| 22:41 | chupa is now known as Guest61411 | |
| 22:45 | chupacabra has quit IRC | |
| 22:45 | mordocai has joined #ltsp | |
| 22:48 | Guest61411 is now known as chupacabra | |
| 23:00 | japerry has quit IRC | |
| 23:35 | Egyptian[Home] has quit IRC | |
| 23:41 | chupa has joined #ltsp | |
| 23:42 | chupa is now known as Guest68142 | |
| 23:44 | chupacabra has quit IRC | |
| 23:49 | Egyptian[Home] has joined #ltsp | |
| 23:56 | nUboon2Age has quit IRC | |