IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 19 February 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:16 | <cdealer> hey ...good morning ...
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| 05:16 | X_MODE = 1024x768 isnt working for me... is this the right parameter ?
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| 05:17 | <ogra> try X_MODE_0
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| 05:17 | <cdealer> ok
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| 05:17 | thanks
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| 05:19 | ogra, our new server is handling 40 users now, without problems... very good =)
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| 05:20 | <ogra> sounds good :)
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| 05:22 | <johnny> so are there any new features in ltsp 5 in hardy?
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| 05:22 | or is it just cleanup?
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| 05:22 | * johnny tries to remember.. | |
| 05:23 | <ogra> well, depends how you define *new* :)
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| 05:23 | autologin and sshkey based logins work in hardy :)
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| 05:24 | beyond that its only stabilization
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| 05:25 | most of the annoyances are gone bot i wont include and new not mature features ina realease that has three years of support
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| 05:25 | s/and/any/
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| 05:33 | <johnny> ssh key. hmm..
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| 05:33 | it'd be nice to have autologin with ssh key
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| 05:33 | <ogra> its in hardy
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| 05:34 | <johnny> so.. is there a working list of features added to ltsp5 overall? since the time of gutsy release?
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| 05:35 | <cdealer> ogra, X_MODE_0 didnt work .. Im seting inside /var/lib/tftpboot/..../lts.conf
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| 05:51 | <cdealer> ogra, X_MODE_0 work only for machine configuration or can be set in default section ?
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| 05:58 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: how close to Nurnberg are you located?
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| 06:00 | <tornio> I am having a problem with pxe and tftp. The problem is that the client doesn't find the kernel. pxelinux.0 is found and the bootloader starts but then it complains about the missing kernel. Where should I start looking for the problem?
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| 06:00 | The configuration files should be ok, I haven't been able to find anything wrong with them.
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| 06:12 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: I'm going there for the embedded mess on 27-28-29
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| 06:14 | <cdealer> someone please, tell me if I must use X_MODE_0 in default section ... the clients are not geting 1024x768
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| 06:18 | <ogra> Q-FUNK, quite far away .... 3h if you drive fast on the autobahn :)
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| 06:18 | <Q-FUNK> damn :(
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| 06:43 | <steph_> Hi everybody. Is there a way to use local sound card on a thin client?
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| 06:43 | ...for audio appz
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| 06:43 | ...like MIDI in rosegarden
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| 06:44 | ...or soft synth
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| 07:20 | <cdealer> this PRINTER parameters works to make local printers available to the client ?
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| 09:25 | <etyack> morning
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| 09:25 | <Gadi> etyack: !!
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| 09:26 | <etyack> Gadi: the work on the amd geode chipsets, is that for hardy?
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| 09:27 | <Gadi> no - gutsy, too
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| 09:27 | well, I should say
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| 09:27 | <etyack> are the packages in launchpad?
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| 09:27 | <Gadi> should work on gutsy - who knows what ubuntu will include/package
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| 09:27 | in fact, it is dev'd with gutsy in mind
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| 09:27 | * Gadi thinks | |
| 09:28 | * Gadi thinks they are on LP | |
| 09:28 | <Gadi> but, it is in active dev, so im not sure what versions are there
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| 09:28 | you need 2 debs: xserver-xorg-core and xserver-xorg-video-amd
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| 09:29 | <etyack> are they hosted somewhere where I can access them? we have an amd geode client I want to test.
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| 09:29 | <Gadi> should be - lemme check the LP bug report
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| 09:31 | hmm...
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| 09:31 | try the ones from here: https://launchpad.net/~q-funk/+archive
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| 09:31 | you should only need xserver-xorg-core and not the whole set
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| 09:31 | and -amd, as well, of course
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| 09:32 | <etyack> thanks. i don't have the client with me today, but plan to test it later this week.
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| 09:33 | <Gadi> etyack: do you know what BIOS it has?
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| 09:33 | the amd-based systems are very BIOS-dependent
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| 09:34 | hopefully, we fixed them all with our patch
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| 09:36 | <etyack> Gadi: no i don't. actually, a few of the ubuntu developers, Ogra I believe has one, have the AMD workstation and so does Warren.
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| 09:36 | <Gadi> ah - thincan?
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| 09:36 | <warren> I wouldn't call it a workstation
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| 09:36 | <ogra> lol
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| 09:36 | <etyack> ok, thin client?
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| 09:36 | <ogra> skinny client :)
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| 09:36 | <Gadi> workstation not workhorse :)
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| 09:37 | <etyack> advanced paper weight
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| 09:37 | no, not a thin can -- TermTek Tk 3550 I believe
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| 09:40 | <Gadi> ah
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| 09:41 | * Gadi often wonders where they fit all this junk in Taiwan :) | |
| 09:41 | <Gadi> its not THAT big a country
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| 09:41 | <ogra> they dont need to
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| 09:41 | they export it immediately
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| 09:41 | there is a constant stream of silicon going in ... and a constant stream of HW going out
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| 09:42 | <Gadi> ah, rivers of silicon.... its like a perverse dream....
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| 09:42 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:43 | <Gadi> ok, so this whole greeter communications channel in ldm is very frustrating
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| 09:44 | grrr
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| 09:44 | !seen sbalneav
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| 09:44 | <ltspbot> Gadi: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 6 days, 0 hours, 45 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <sbalneav> What are we looking at?
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> dios mio
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| 09:45 | <warren> Gadi, frustrating in what way?
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| 09:45 | Gadi, (I mean, I agree, but wondering what issue you are having)
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| 09:45 | <Gadi> All I want to do is display a message in the message field on spawn - I do a set_message, the message sets fine, but then the Username entry field becomes inactive
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| 09:45 | oh!
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| 09:45 | wait
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| 09:45 | I know why
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| 09:46 | I think
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| 09:46 | bbiab
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| 10:04 | they should make extra processors that you can just slip into the PCMCIA card of ur laptop....
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| 10:05 | I'd buy that for a dollar
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| 10:40 | <steph_> Hi everybody. Is there a way to use local sound card on a thin client?
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| 10:40 | ...for audio appz
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| 10:40 | ...like MIDI in rosegarden
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| 12:12 | <warren> OK, this is weird.
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| 12:12 | <Q-FUNK> ?
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| 12:17 | <warren> rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386/var/lib/rpm/__db.000 /opt/ltsp/i386/var/lib/rpm/__db.001 /opt/ltsp/i386/var/lib/rpm/__db.002 /opt/ltsp/i386/var/lib/rpm/__db.003
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| 12:17 | Only root can do that.
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| 12:17 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 12:19 | after I install my chroot, after-install) runs that
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| 12:19 | and it somehow thinks it is not root
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| 12:20 | <milesd> warren, I usually only see "only root can do that" in reference to mounting/unmounting. I'm not saying it couldn't come from somewhere else, but you might want to check to see what is/isn't mounted
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| 12:20 | warren, if it were a simple file permission problem I would have expected "permission denied"
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> warren: I think after-install) happens *in* the chroot
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| 12:23 | in which case, your user may be undefined
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| 12:23 | <ogra_cmpc> indeed it does
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| 12:23 | but it only defines a mileston point during building
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> try: USER=root rm -rf /var/lib/rpm/__db*
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| 12:24 | <warren> Gadi, you sure?
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| 12:24 | <ogra_cmpc> thats would be odd
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| 12:24 | <warren> mm
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> indeed it looks odd
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| 12:25 | <warren> is there a way to have it display what it is running without editing it and adding set +x?
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| 12:25 | <ogra_cmpc> probably someything selinux related ?
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| 12:25 | <warren> or maybe adding a ltsp-build-client --verbose would be good
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| 12:25 | <ogra_cmpc> i've never seen such a behavior on debian or ubuntu
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| 12:25 | <warren> ogra_cmpc, nothing in the audit logs
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| 12:25 | <ogra_cmpc> we have --debug
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| 12:26 | <warren> what does --debug do?
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| 12:26 | <ogra_cmpc> but thats likely not really helpful in your cae
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| 12:26 | show details about the plugins
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| 12:26 | <warren> oh
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| 12:26 | <ogra_cmpc> but its only telling you what it loads when
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| 12:26 | <warren> ok, so after-install runs IN the chroot?
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| 12:27 | <ogra_cmpc> well, it defines a waypoint
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| 12:27 | nothing more
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| 12:27 | <warren> how does it do that? each line is called in the chroot individually or it is put into a script within there?
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| 12:27 | <ogra_cmpc> its after the basic system was bootstrapped *and* after all additional (late-packages) are installed
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| 12:27 | err
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| 12:28 | eraly-package, not late-packages,m sorry
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| 12:28 | *early
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| 12:28 | run it with debug, you will see how it does what
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| 12:29 | but nothing here should influence your rm command
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| 12:29 | did you check the file permissions ?
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| 12:30 | <warren> what does early-package mean?
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| 12:30 | we don't have any concept of that. all packages are installed in one transaction.
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| 12:30 | <ogra_cmpc> well, we have three steps
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| 12:31 | the basic bootstrapping ... that gains tou the bare minimal system
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| 12:31 | * warren running | |
| 12:31 | <ogra_cmpc> then early-packages ... that installs ltsp-client and friends
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| 12:31 | then late-packages ... thats the kernel etc
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| 12:32 | you can preseed EARLY_PACKAGES and LATE_PACKAGES in the config to install edifferent stuff there
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| 12:33 | i.e. the mythbuntu guys just created a mythbuntu thin client in ubuntu by just changing the late packages list
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| 12:33 | <warren> cool
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| 12:33 | <ogra_cmpc> yeah
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| 12:33 | <warren> I may or may not use early or late packages.
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| 12:33 | I don't need it for now.
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| 12:34 | <ogra_cmpc> nobody forces you :)
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| 12:34 | i bet you have other mechanisms to adjust the package list
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| 12:37 | <ogra_cmpc> warren, if you dont get the rm to work directly, try running it chrooted
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| 12:40 | <warren> grr, found one problem
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| 14:13 | <vlt> "We're in the year 2008 AD. The whole company has happily switched to LTSP ... The whole? No! One little department inhabited by indomitable accountants still resists ..." -- Hello all, there's this one Windows app that they still need to run. And it's a big one, so I can forget about wine or qemu.
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| 14:14 | Is it possible to let them have two X servers running on their client? One for LTSP, of course, and a second one on another VT connects, god knows how, to a kind of remote windows machine?
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| 14:14 | I've never tried this before, and it was much easier if I knew what I'm actually looking for. Can anyone give a hint?
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| 14:14 | <vagrantc> you could probably use rdesktop to connect to windows terminal services
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| 14:15 | * vlt googles rdesktop | |
| 14:19 | <cliebow_> rdesktop rocks!
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| 14:24 | <vlt> What I've read so far sounds really god (despite that it's used to enable access to Windows). This might be the wrong channel, but can I use it to connect to a standard W2k prof. or do I need an extra TS app there?
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| 14:24 | <johnny> you need to have terminal server licenses
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| 14:25 | i'm imagining
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| 14:25 | and the software
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| 14:25 | XP is the first windows that comes with 1 remote desktop client access
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| 14:26 | <cliebow_> i believe there is a server for 1 or two users in xp pro
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| 14:26 | <vlt> johnny: "and the software"?
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| 14:26 | <johnny> terminal services?
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| 14:26 | <cliebow_> you need to sacrifice first and second born..
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| 14:26 | <johnny> i think
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| 14:26 | it isn't free
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| 14:26 | <cliebow_> heh
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| 14:26 | <johnny> and isn't even supported for much longer
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| 14:27 | <vlt> Thank you. I think I'll do some further reading ...
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| 14:28 | <ogra_cmpc_> vlt, your software needs multiuser licenses if you dont want to use it illegal
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| 14:28 | <johnny> yes.. that too..
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| 14:31 | <vlt> The software is licensed properly for the whole department. My goal is to switch them over to LTSP too, and get the big noisy Windows machines out there ;)
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| 14:31 | <johnny> careful the BSA doesn't show up
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| 14:31 | and steal all your machines :)
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| 14:31 | <ogra_cmpc_> well, if your server is beefy enough you could set up a bunch of virtual machines
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| 14:32 | <vlt> ogra_cmpc_: Thought of that too.
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| 14:32 | johnny: BSA?
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| 14:32 | <ogra_cmpc_> kvm is oretty good in that i heard
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| 14:33 | *pretty
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| 14:33 | its supported by default in newer ubuntu
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| 14:34 | <cliebow_> BSA=Gates' Gestapo
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| 14:35 | <johnny> business software alliance
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| 14:36 | <vlt> johnny: ahh, wikipedia returned "Boy Scouts of America" or "Bund Sozialdemokratischer Akademikerinnen und Akademiker, Intellektueller, Künstlerinnen und Künstler"
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| 14:36 | <ogra_cmpc_> heh
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| 14:40 | * ogra_cmpc_ tires to remember the runes for VAR=$(command) in makefiles | |
| 14:40 | <Gadi> ah, the runes...
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| 14:41 | <ogra_cmpc_> i thought $$(command) would suffice, but seems not :/
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| 14:42 | <Gadi> btw: ldm-script in ldm-trunk does not get produced properly if --libexecdir is not defined in configure
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| 14:42 | not sure if that affects anyone
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| 14:42 | but, I learned the hard way
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| 14:42 | :)
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| 14:42 | <ogra_cmpc_> we all know
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| 14:42 | <Gadi> ok
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| 14:42 | <ogra_cmpc_> just ask next time :P
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| 14:43 | <Gadi> well, its hard to ask questions that you dont know are questions
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| 14:43 | :)
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| 14:43 | you know, you could set a better default
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| 14:43 | <ogra_cmpc_> well, you could just have used the latest hardy package ;)
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| 14:43 | <Gadi> that ${exec_prefix}
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| 14:43 | *than
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| 14:44 | <ogra_cmpc_> well, i'm currently fighting in ubuntu to get the autotools fixed to set a sane default for libexecdir
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| 14:44 | * Gadi is happy he never has to say things like that | |
| 14:44 | <ogra_cmpc_> its just silly to reference a dir that doesnt and will never exist on the host system
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| 14:48 | <warren> ah...
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| 14:48 | DEBUG: Loading plugin: /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/common/095-rootpass
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| 14:48 | Only root can do that.
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| 14:48 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 14:51 | * vagrantc would hope that only root can change root's password | |
| 14:51 | <ogra_cmpc_> zeah
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| 14:51 | err
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| 14:51 | yeah
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| 14:52 | <ogra_cmpc> vagrantc, but assuming warren runs ltsp-build-client as root thats still strange
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| 14:53 | <warren> I didn't change that common/ plugin
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| 14:53 | <vlt> "zeah", heh
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| 14:54 | <ogra_cmpc> vlt, sillz foreign kezboards
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| 14:54 | <Gadi> selinux protecting passwd?
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| 14:54 | <ogra_cmpc> :)
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| 14:54 | warren, by default it should do anything iirc
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| 14:55 | <vlt> ogra_cmpc: I got a us kb here on my notebook but de layout, too ;)
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| 14:55 | <ogra_cmpc> oh, it locks it by default
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| 14:55 | <vagrantc> by default it locks it
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| 14:55 | <ogra_cmpc> snap
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| 14:55 | <Gadi> ogra_cmpc: no, by default it still locks root's passwd
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| 14:56 | <ogra_cmpc> :)
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| 14:56 | <Gadi> heh
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| 14:56 | <ogra_cmpc> triplesnap :))
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| 14:56 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: any idea on the changes in mksquashfs ?
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| 14:56 | <warren> changes to mksquashfs?
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| 14:56 | <ogra_cmpc> vagrantc, well, only the --nolzma thing
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| 14:56 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc: sounds like in debian sid and/or lenny it's borked
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| 14:56 | <ogra_cmpc> but that was reverted again
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| 14:57 | well, -nolzma should actually help (note its only one dash)
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| 14:57 | warren, upstream added lzma support and indeed defaulted to it ... no kernel supports lzma unpacking yet
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| 14:58 | * vagrantc is quite happy with NFS as the default | |
| 14:58 | <warren> ogra_cmpc, if that's the case, then we definitely didn't do it in Fedora
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| 14:58 | * ogra_cmpc didnt have any probs with suqashfs yet | |
| 14:59 | <ogra_cmpc> warren, we changed the default in ubuntu as well... debian might not yet
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| 15:00 | <vlt> Should the day finally come that I get those Windows machines (or the one, or machines in kvm ...) accepting rdesktop connections ... is it better to use an extra X on the (thin) client or can the rdesktop window be integrated into the remote LTSP desktop? (I know that running vncviewer on a remote LTSP desktop doesn't perform that good ...)
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| 15:02 | <vlt> Reminds me of one thing I always wanted to know: Can I spread apps on several LTSP servers, e. g. running OO.org on a an extra machine?
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| 15:02 | <Gadi> vlt: you can do either or - if its only for one app, make a launcher on the desktop
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| 15:03 | vlt: you can do anything and everything
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| 15:03 | <vlt> ;)
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| 15:03 | <Gadi> :)
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| 15:03 | it's all plumbing
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| 15:04 | oh, and personally, I would say get yourself a windows terminal server
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| 15:04 | dont bother trying to do VMs
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| 15:05 | <warren> Gadi, would that launcher use rsh or something?
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| 15:06 | <vlt> Gadi: Yes, sounds like too much effort ...
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| 15:06 | <warren> (how does it authenticate with the same user?)
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| 15:06 | <Gadi> for rdp? no -rdesktop
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| 15:06 | <ogra_cmpc> warren, ssh with key auth :)
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| 15:06 | <warren> ooh.
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| 15:06 | <ogra_cmpc> ssh -X actually
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| 15:06 | <Gadi> for an X application, ssh
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| 15:06 | for a Windows RDP, rdesktop
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| 15:07 | for Citrix ICA, ICA client
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| 15:07 | ....
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| 15:07 | <ogra_cmpc> or -XC ... since we run on the server ... that should be able to handle compression :)
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| 15:07 | <Gadi> handling single-sign-on depends on the client
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| 15:07 | or ssh DISPLAY=<thinclientdisplay>
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| 15:07 | unless you have consolekit
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| 15:08 | :P
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| 15:08 | <ogra_cmpc> well, ssh -X from your session doesnt
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| 15:08 | that only cares for your key on the server
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| 15:08 | <Gadi> no, i mean to launch an app from another server
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| 15:08 | <ogra_cmpc> yes me too
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| 15:09 | <Gadi> and set the display to the thin client display directly
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| 15:09 | rather than use a proxy
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| 15:09 | <ogra_cmpc> ssh -X me@otherserver firefox
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| 15:09 | ah, thats what you men
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| 15:09 | <Gadi> right - that uses a proxy
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| 15:09 | <vlt> Gadi: Yeah, what my first question meant is: Is there a sigificant performance loss when using "remote in remote" window (as it is with vnc) or can the rdp data "passed through"?
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| 15:09 | <Gadi> I mean: ssh me@otherserver DISPLAY=<thinclient> firefox
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| 15:09 | <ogra_cmpc> well, without proxy is a hell lot more complicated
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| 15:10 | no, you need to get xauth right first
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| 15:10 | just setting DISPLAY wont work
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| 15:10 | <Gadi> fine. xhost+otherserver; ssh me@otherserver DISPLAY=<thinclient> firefox
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| 15:11 | but, mine will play videos :P
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| 15:11 | vlt: no - vnc sucks
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| 15:12 | <vlt> FACK
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| 15:12 | <Gadi> the only issues with rdp from the server are sound
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| 15:13 | bec sound needs to be wrapped in padsp
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| 15:13 | <Gadi> and that makes it degrade
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| 15:13 | <vlt> I guess the accountant department will get over it
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| 17:10 | <lns> rawrg - that's what I'm dealing with right now, rdp thin-client-to-win2k server (VMWare). Can't get sound going. Not sure how to wrap it in padsp..
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| 17:44 | Is it pretty safe to, if you are moving from AMD64 to i386 server (not chroot), to just copy the whole /opt/ltsp dir and copy it back over once you've rebuilt the server (and install correct ltsp packages)? (Ubuntu Gutsy)
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| 17:44 | To basically keep the modifications you've made
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| 20:32 | <RyanRyan52> how do I do the eqivalent of "svn di -r 1:2" (looks at the differences between 2 revisions...) with bzr?
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| 20:32 | <dberkholz> RyanRyan52: try bzr diff --help
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| 20:33 | <RyanRyan52> ohh...I didn't think of that. Thanks...
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