IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 9 September 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 07:35 | <Vinay_> Hi
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| 07:36 | How can I customize ltsp login screen?
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| 07:52 | <alkisg> !learn bypass_acceleration as `to bypass hardware acceleration (LP #1251281): RCFILE_01="ln -sf /bin/true /usr/lib/gnome-session/gnome-session-check-accelerated"`
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| 07:52 | <ltsp`> The operation succeeded.
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| 07:52 | <alkisg> !bypass_acceleration
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| 07:52 | <ltsp`> bypass_acceleration: to bypass hardware acceleration (LP #1251281): RCFILE_01="ln -sf /bin/true /usr/lib/gnome-session/gnome-session-check-accelerated"
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| 07:55 | <muppis> This makes Gnome use sw rendering?
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| 07:56 | <alkisg> muppis: gnome-session-flashback in 14.04 doesn't load at all, even though it does NOT use acceleration
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| 07:57 | So it checks for 3d, halts with no error if not found, yet it doesn't need 3d.
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| 07:58 | <muppis> I've notices it doesn't work in LTSP, but I haven't been aware it doesn't need it.
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| 11:05 | <JuJuBee> When I chroot into my image, I am unable to apt-get update and I cannot ping anything, why?
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| 11:43 | <JuJuBee> Anybody know why I cannot update chroot? seems a network issue, but server has full connectivity.
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| 11:44 | <uXus> try to chroot with "ltsp-chroot -m"
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| 11:51 | <JuJuBee> uXus: no change
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| 11:52 | I used to use -c -p
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| 11:52 | either way, no joy
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| 11:54 | so if I manually edit etc/resolv.conf and add 8.8.8.8 as nameserver, i can ping google and apt-get update
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| 11:54 | How to I make this persist?
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| 12:22 | <uXus> I guess it is persist
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| 12:47 | <JuJuBee> uXus: resolv.conf will get overwritten each boot I believe and by dhcp request, which is fine once on the client
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| 12:48 | I cannot get the FAT client to mount /home from an nfs server still. It seems that homes are mounting from the ltsp server. I have a FSTAB_0 directive in lts.conf
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| 12:51 | I see in some docs they mention NFS_HOME but where do I set that? lts.conf also?
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| 13:06 | <uXus> I keep an eye on /etc/resolv.conf in chroot and it looks persist enough (whether I reboot server or update resolvconf)
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| 13:08 | <JuJuBee> I agree, in the chroot it seems to persist which is all I need.
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| 13:08 | despite the warning that it will be overwritten.
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| 13:09 | I got nfs mount of homes... I'm not so smart... nfs-common was not in chroot. I thought it would install everything from server during client creations phase.
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| 13:09 | Doh!
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| 13:09 | Yayyyy. I'm back in business. My students will finally be able to log in
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| 13:43 | <det_> hello. tell me please, where i can find info about next situation: i have 2 physical servers. first have installed and functional ,Main, ltsp server (fat client) on ubuntu 14 lts, second - mint 17 lts with same lts server, that created only for testing purposes. With first servers everything is fine, but i want to use mint's environment. I mean Mate with their graphical presets. So i've built ltsp image with mate desktop env. and it is loading fine ONLY in seco
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| 13:43 | nd (testing) machine. BUT when i tried to replace i386.img from second to first machine one strange thing happend. It don't want to accept any of usernamees and passwords that exist on main machine. And i really don't know why. So please, if you know where i can find some info about it problem - tell me please)
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| 14:04 | <det_> simpler question: why ltsp image that was born on another server - don't want to use localhost's shadow file, where every custom user is exist?
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| 14:09 | <vagrantc> usually, there aren't any users configured in the ltsp image... the user's are only present on the server.
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| 14:15 | <det_> yes, it's true. all users was created above chroot (not in the image). I know that. The question is why i can't use image from another ltsp server. It loads fine, but when i enter any login/pass it just restarts lightdm, like login\pass is wrong
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| 14:16 | <vagrantc> !sshkeys | echo det_
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| 14:16 | <ltsp`> det_ sshkeys: If you changed your LTSP server IP on Ubuntu, your clients will be unable to login. To fix this, you need to run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 14:16 | <vagrantc> it's probably LDM, not lightdm
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| 14:16 | <det_> Thank you! I will try it now!
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> although if you're using the image from another server, you'll have to get the ssh keys from the new server into the image
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| 14:18 | <vagrantc> so if you've just copied the image from one server to another ... ltsp-update-sshkeys will still be unable to update the image
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| 14:45 | <Mip> G’morning folks - had terrible delay reading package lists yesterday after upgrade from 12.04.5 to 14.04.1. Reinstalled 12.04.5 and that issue is solved. However I have a mix of 64-bit and 32-bit clients. F4 option on alternate install built 64-bit clients, but not 32-bit ones. Can I use both, or is it best to just build a new image for 32-bit clients, and have all clients use same image?
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| 14:46 | <kb8wmc> I want to install a specific Ubuntu image to my Ubuntu 10.04 fat-client server, have followed the directions I found for installing the fat client and it works properly, with the exception that it does an update of the image...The image I want to install for the clients is the same image that I have on the server without updates...The server image I have on the server is Ubuntu 10.04 with...
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| 14:46 | ...the RTAI kernel for running LinuxCNC...How do I dump the updated image that is currently installed on server and choose the RTAI kernel already installed on the server for use by the clients?
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| 14:48 | <vagrantc> Mip: depends on if your 64 bit clients will make use of all those bits...
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| 14:49 | <Mip> vagrantc - they have 2 gb of ram, so that would be a “no”, right?
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> Mip: in general, I'd suggest saving the work of maintaining two environments and stick with i386 unless there's a compelling reason otherwise
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| 14:49 | <Mip> is that the only consideration?
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| 14:49 | that makes sense
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| 14:54 | <Mip> vagrantc: what would be the best process for doing this? Is there a special way to whack the 64-bit image (other than rm -rf /opt/ltsp) before I build the 32-bit client?
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| 14:56 | <vagrantc> rm should work fine.
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| 14:57 | you might want to leave /opt/ltsp/ and just remove everything under it
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| 14:58 | kb8wmc: it'd be easy on a newer version of LTSP, but i'm not sure if 10.04 supports the ltsp-pnp stuff
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| 15:01 | <Mip> vagrantc: Thanks. I just looked at my dhcpd settings in /etc/ltsp, and saw stuff related to amd64 http://pastebin.com/Dt2tznaK - will that file get edited when I run the ltsp-build-client to create the 32-bit clients?
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| 15:01 | <kb8wmc> vagrantc: ok, that will get rid of the present image if I am understanding...then howto install the identical image that the server runs...and thanks for you input vagrantc
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| 15:02 | I don't want the image updates as they cause enough of a difference in the clients that the clients are unable to run a few of the important apps that are on the server
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| 15:03 | <vagrantc> Mip: you'll need to edit some of that too, yes.
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| 15:04 | kb8wmc: trying to run something that old is hard to get support for
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| 15:04 | <Mip> vagrantic: Cool - thanks.
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> kb8wmc: basically, you're asking for a feature that was implemented years after 10.04 came out
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| 15:11 | <kb8wmc> vagrantc: yes, I found this out, but I initially installed LTSP and all was working well with the clients until I modified LTSP for use as a fat-client server, then it did updates and provided a newer environment which did not provide the clients with the server's desktop and functionality....I believe that there was a command in the fat-client files that automatically checked for updates...
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| 15:11 | ...and thus abandoned much of the server's RTAI kernel...The reason that I want the server's desktop provided to the clients is for a small class of students training in the use of CNC/CAD/CAM....
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> all of the updates processes are manual...
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| 15:14 | kb8wmc: or do you just want to switch back to thin clients?
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| 15:15 | <JuJuBee> When user logs in and unity comes up, there is no way to logout (upper right corner blank).
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| 15:15 | <kb8wmc> I would prefer the fat-clients to shift the load of running apps to the fat-clients, but will consider just installing as thin-client server
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| 15:18 | I can remove the existing kernel provided to the clients, but making sure that the present RTAI kernel on the server is provided to the clients is what I have questions about now...
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| 15:19 | <kb8wmc> vagrantc: and thanks again for you time and input...
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| 15:20 | <vagrantc> install the RTAI kernel in the chroot, rebuild the image
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| 15:22 | <kb8wmc> ok...I understand the principle you suggest, but where do I select the RTAI image from to rebuild?
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> where did you get it in the first place?
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| 15:24 | <kb8wmc> I am not certain, I believe that when I installed LTSP that it picked up the RTAI kernel from the O/S automatically
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| 15:25 | <vagrantc> well, if you don't know where you got it from, there's no way i'm going to...
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| 15:25 | <kb8wmc> it may be that I could uninstall LTSP and do a complete reinstall to cure the problem if the above is the case...but I am not certain
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| 15:25 | <vagrantc> i'm fairly certain that's not the case.
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| 15:26 | <kb8wmc> ok...
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| 15:27 | <vagrantc> basically, you need to figure out how to install your kernel, and install it in the LTSP environment.
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| 15:28 | <kb8wmc> correct, and that is the point at which I am uncertain...I know it just worked the first time after installation of LTSP
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| 15:28 | <vagrantc> if it's a non-standard kernel, that seems approximately impossible.
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| 15:29 | unless you told it to use some other kernel, or the standard kernel worked for you...
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| 15:29 | the chroots don't automatically update
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| 15:29 | unless you set something up to do so...
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| 15:30 | so, given the above information, how old this install is, it's rather difficult to help...
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| 15:30 | i don't even use ubuntu
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| 15:30 | <JuJuBee> Anybody know if there is a fix to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1353095
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| 15:33 | <kb8wmc> well, the RTAI kernel is specific to Ubuntu 10.04 and LinuxCNC, and the upgrades that were done when I rebuilt the client images after moving the thin-client LTSP install over to fat_client caused the problems...I will work on it and see if I can get it running back on the original kernel
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| 15:33 | <vagrantc> JuJuBee: you saw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1320286 ?
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| 15:34 | <kb8wmc> vagrantc: thanks for all your time and input
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| 15:34 | <vagrantc> kb8wmc: sorry i'm not more helpful...
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| 15:36 | <kb8wmc> actually you were helpful
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| 15:41 | <JuJuBee> vagrantc: I did not, but thanks. Still not resolved as far as I see?
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| 15:42 | <vagrantc> JuJuBee: doesn't seem to be
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| 15:42 | JuJuBee: unity's not a great fit for LTSP anyways ... although in theory on a fat client it should be fie
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| 15:42 | fine
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| 15:43 | <work_alkisg> unity-settings-daemon is the default on Ubuntu for gnome-flashback too
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| 15:43 | Just chmod -x gnome-settings-daemon...
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| 15:43 | Or something similar, until it's resolved
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| 15:43 | <vagrantc> heh. alkisg hiding behind a different tab-completion
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| 15:46 | <JuJuBee> vagrantc: what do you suggest instead of unity?
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| 15:46 | How is plasma?
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| 15:50 | <vagrantc> i found lxde to be quite good on thin clients, but this is a matter of personal preferences
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| 15:55 | <JuJuBee> I use fat clients
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| 15:55 | I have xubuntu-desktop installed as well and that seems to work fine
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| 15:57 | Plasma seems to be working
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| 16:27 | <Mip> vagrantc: My client built w/out errors. Both 32 and 64 bit clients boot okay, though 64-bit clients have 1366 x 768 at 60 Hz monitors attached. The desktop image is stretched, rather than scaled. Any ideas?
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| 16:34 | Only options are 1024x768 or 800x600. Detect Displays fails to find anything other than “Laptop”. Is there a way to try different kernels in chroot image? Main server is 3.13.0-35-generic, clients are 3.2.0-68-generic.
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| 17:29 | <Mip> vagrantc: thanks for all your help. I’ll dig around on the issue of having installing/testing different kernels for thin clients to see if I can find one that communicates better with the graphics card in these clients.
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| 22:43 | <gdi2k_> wondering if anyone knows how to restrict access to certain application for certain users. is modifying executable group permissions the way to go?
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