IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 19 March 2012 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:29 | <tbruff13> stgraber: are you here
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| 01:29 | I need your help
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| 01:34 | <tbruff13> now whenever I boot a client it loads the gtk startup stuff (which is fine) and when i log in i see the log in sign stuff for Kubuntu and then a black screen and a cursor and that is it
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| 01:34 | I got the server to work
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| 08:27 | <alkisg> !learn socat as One way to share a console with a remote person is: [local pc] forward port 5500, run: socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0 [remote pc] socat tcp:server:5500 SYSTEM:"{ sleep 1; xterm -e screen -xRR ra$$; } & exec screen -S ra$$",pty,stderr
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| 08:27 | <ltsp> alkisg: Error: "remote" is not a valid command.
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| 08:32 | <alkisg> !socat
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| 08:32 | <ltsp> alkisg: socat: One way to share a console with a remote person is: [local pc] forward port 5500, run: socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0 [remote pc] socat tcp:server:5500 SYSTEM:"{ sleep 1; xterm -e screen -xRR ra$$; } & exec screen -S ra$$",pty,stderr
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| 09:27 | <elias_a> Good Monday to everybody!
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| 12:09 | <manus> Hello, I 've configured ltsp fat clients for work, users required to be able to lock screen. How can I enable this with fat client? Thanks
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| 12:31 | <Hyperbyte> manus, you need to reinstall the screensaver package in the chroot
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| 12:31 | To lock the screen, Gnome needs the "xscreensaver-command-lock" command.
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| 12:53 | <alkisg> manus: the short answer is "you can't", fat clients can't authenticate locally because their password isn't stored locally for security reasons
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| 12:54 | <Hyperbyte> :o
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| 12:54 | Didn't even consider that
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| 13:53 | <LuizAngioletti> andygraybeal: Hi there!
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| 14:17 | <LuizAngioletti> alkisg: hello there.
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| 14:17 | wlecome.
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| 14:17 | <alkisg> Hi LuizAngioletti
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| 14:17 | <LuizAngioletti> *welcome
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| 14:19 | <elias_a> alkisg: Speaking of last Fridays chat - what is the total amount of thin clients in the 250 schools you are providing with LTSP?
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| 14:20 | <alkisg> elias_a: each school has about 12 pcs, and overall half of them are fat and half thin
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| 14:20 | (some schools have 8 pcs, others have 30... 12 is the median)
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| 14:20 | <elias_a> alkisg: Wow. That is large scale.
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| 14:21 | <alkisg> Fortunately all went well the last 2 years
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| 14:21 | <elias_a> alkisg: I became so interested in this... Could we arrange a webinar on the subject some time?
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| 14:21 | <alkisg> Over irc? Who will be attending?
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| 14:21 | <elias_a> A webinar = OpenMeetings or Adobe Connect meeting
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| 14:22 | <elias_a> I would like to interview you using a prepared list and attendees could also ask questions.
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| 14:23 | I guess using Flash is the only drawback in this method.
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| 14:23 | The good thing is that it is fun.
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| 14:23 | <alkisg> Let me think about it and tell you tomorrow, I'm in the middle of something right now, ok?
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| 14:24 | <elias_a> OK. I thought about inviting the Finns, use contacts all over Europe. Let me know.
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| 14:24 | <alkisg> ty, brb..
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| 16:07 | <LuizAngioletti> What is the bug tracking system that LTSP developers use? What is their point of view towards Redmine for that?
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| 16:07 | I know it's offtopic...
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| 16:07 | =/
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| 16:14 | <Hyperbyte> !upstream-bug
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| 16:14 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: upstream-bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+filebug
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| 16:50 | <LuizAngioletti> I kind of imagined...
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| 16:50 | Then I threw: lauchpad.net/ltsp and it worked. =P
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| 16:51 | Hyperbyte: thanks anyway.
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| 16:54 | <vagrantc> !seen alkisg
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| 16:54 | <ltsp> vagrantc: alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 2 hours, 29 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <alkisg> ty, brb..
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| 16:57 | <knipwim> Hyperbyte: are you still working on the wiki?
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| 16:57 | or was that put on hold, with your company move and all
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| 17:19 | <Hyperbyte> knipwim, it's not really on hold, but there's a new plan with more people involved... it needs to come off the ground yet though.
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| 17:20 | <knipwim> how about a public design plan, like a google doc or something
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| 17:45 | <zevlag> Either I'm doing something wrong, or LTSP is broken in 12.04 Precise, I've installed a new Precise Desktop, installed LTSP, build image, boot a client, and it boots. after I login, it says "can't load session 'ubuntu'"
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| 18:18 | <alkisg> vagrantc: thanks, fixed in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/trunk/revision/243
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| 18:18 | The -p (print pid) was supposed to be a "background" parameter, and I put it to "lock-screen" by mistake
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| 18:23 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ah.
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| 18:23 | <alkisg> We're still trying to remove the zenity dependencies, I hope we'll be ready in 3-4 hours...
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| 18:23 | <vagrantc> cool!
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| 18:23 | ssvnc also pulls in a mess-load
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| 18:24 | <alkisg> But that's just a secondary dependency, so it doesn't really matter, does it?
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| 18:25 | It will be xvnc4viewer | ssvncviewer
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| 18:25 | The latter to be used only by people that really have to use 24bpp
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| 18:28 | <vagrantc> alkisg: sure.
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| 18:28 | alkisg: it's really an excessive recommends ... so not so bad.
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| 18:28 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ah, actually, no it won't even be in recommends
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| 18:28 | Maybe just in suggests
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| 18:29 | As xvnc4viewer is required and used by default even if ssvnc is installed
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| 18:29 | (because it allows hiding the popup menu)
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| 18:29 | And ssvncviewer is only used in 24bpp, if it exists
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| 18:29 | So... that would be a "suggests" ?
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| 18:29 | <vagrantc> alkisg: no, i mean ssvnc has a lot of recommends
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| 18:30 | <alkisg> Yup I got it, I was saying that we won't put Depends: xvnc4viewer | ssvncviewer in epoptes-client
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| 18:30 | <vagrantc> alkisg: suggests is almost pointless
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| 18:30 | recommends is often too strong... *sigh*
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| 18:30 | <alkisg> It's just to tell people that under certain circumstances, eopptes-client might use it (i.e. in 24bpp that noone should be using anyway)
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| 18:31 | <vagrantc> alkisg: does epoptes still do the "shutdown -f -p" or whatever it was that doesn't trigger a proper shutdownn process?
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| 18:32 | nobbody except all the crazy people testing epoptes in virtual machines :P
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| 18:33 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I don't think epoptes ever did that... I think that was ltsp-specific
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| 18:33 | It calls dbus, if it can, or plain reboot/poweroff
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| 18:34 | KVM supports `-vga vmware` which doesn't use 24 bpp
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| 18:34 | <vagrantc> it seems to be behaving with the hard shutdown even using newer versions of ldm/ltsp
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| 18:34 | <alkisg> Do you invoke the shutdown when users are logged on, or at ldm?
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| 18:35 | <vagrantc> i *think* it behaved the same way with both, but i just tested at the ldm login prompt
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| 18:35 | <alkisg> At ldm, it calls "poweroff"
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| 18:35 | From within the session, it sets the xprop and logs off
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| 18:36 | So if you saw that with both, at least on the second case, epoptes-client isn't to blame
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| 18:36 | LDM handles the xprop and powers off..
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| 18:37 | <vagrantc> wow. using vmvga the screen resolution skyrockets
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| 18:38 | <muppis> Didn't know that?
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| 18:38 | <vagrantc> also the mouse pointer doesn't wwork very well..
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| 19:00 | <vagrantc> might just be libvirt that's making the mouse pointer crazy with -vga vmware
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| 19:00 | <alkisg> I think it worked fine here when I tried it...
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| 19:12 | <mcfloppy> hello
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| 19:13 | <alkisg> Hi
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| 19:14 | <mcfloppy> i have installed a new ltsp server based on a debian
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| 19:15 | when i boot the clients (fat clients) they run in the ltsp dir as root
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| 19:16 | but this is read only...
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| 19:16 | <vagrantc> "they run" ?
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| 19:16 | mcfloppy: what's your question?
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| 19:16 | mcfloppy: or what are you trying to do?
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| 19:17 | <mcfloppy> what must i do to get a runing system with write permission to /home and so on
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| 19:18 | on my old ltsp system i boot the clients as thin clients and so the serverroot was the root from the thin clients, cause the x-client was on the server os
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| 19:18 | <vagrantc> what version of debian?
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| 19:18 | <mcfloppy> current stable
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| 19:18 | squeeze
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| 19:19 | <vagrantc> your lts.conf contains LTSP_FATCLIENT=True?
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| 19:20 | by default, it should make /home a writeable dir, and on login, each user will mount their home dir on the server over sshfs.
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| 19:20 | <mcfloppy> okay i retry it
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| 19:21 | <vagrantc> although that's only if LDM is showing up, if GDM or KDM or XDM are starting, you'll need to disable those.
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| 19:21 | <mcfloppy> i have tried both: true and false, but now it was on false
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| 19:21 | i want kdm or gdm
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| 19:23 | <vagrantc> KDM and GDM do not support LTSP fatclients.
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| 19:24 | LDM handles the mounting of homedirs, creating the local user account, authentication, etc.
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| 19:24 | <mcfloppy> oh okay... no i have understand
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| 19:25 | s/no/now
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| 19:26 | <vagrantc> it's technically possible to use KDM or GDM for a fatclient like setup, you just have to manually configure a *lot* of things.
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| 19:27 | <mcfloppy> ok.. but i can use kde or gnome?
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| 19:28 | <vagrantc> of course
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| 19:28 | any desktop environment you want
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| 19:29 | <mcfloppy> i try it on a real client... virtualbox shows no x server
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| 19:33 | <mcfloppy> the boottime is extremely long
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| 19:34 | <vagrantc> what sort of hardware are you using?
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| 19:35 | <mcfloppy> now there is a message: INFO: task khubd:228 blocked for more than 120 seconds
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| 19:36 | vagrantc: i use D945GSEJT boards from intel
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| 19:38 | <vagrantc> mcfloppy: that's a bit too specific :P what sort of networking hardware, what sort of processor, how much ram?
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| 19:39 | <vagrantc> alkisg: mostly planning on stripping out the zenity stuff today, or did you have more plans?
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| 19:39 | <mcfloppy> Intel Atom N270 1.6GHz, 1GB Ram, IntelMobile Chipset 945GSE
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| 19:40 | <alkisg> vagrantc: zenity only
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| 19:40 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it's pretty much working far as i can tell.
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| 19:40 | alkisg: though broadcasts seem to stop working after logging out
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| 19:41 | <alkisg> Cool. Ah, I'll look into that
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| 19:41 | <vagrantc> i.e. they work before login, they work during login, but don't work after logout
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| 19:41 | reboot fixes
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| 19:42 | <mcfloppy> vagrantc: the boot is still in progress..... i see some messages with "read only filesystem"
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| 19:43 | no i see a loginmanager with the KDE K in the upper middle... so this is kdm?
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| 19:44 | <vagrantc> doesn't sound like LDM...
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| 19:45 | mcfloppy: though the "blocked for more than 120 seconds" issues are pretty bad news.
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| 19:47 | <mcfloppy> here is everything strange... so i see the blinking cursor on the username field... when i move th mouse it stops flashing for some seconds and the mouse doesnt move
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| 19:48 | keyboard inputs are also not taken
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| 19:50 | <vagrantc> mcfloppy: could you paste the output of ltsp-info to a pastebin?
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| 19:50 | !pastebin
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| 19:50 | <ltsp> vagrantc: pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 19:52 | <mcfloppy> vagrantc: is there a local logfile on the server? on the client i cant log on
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| 20:20 | <vagrantc> mcfloppy: could you run ltsp-info on the server and paste to the pastebin?
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| 21:02 | <vagrantc> alkisg: hrm. my gpg signing key expired today ... i can re-up the sign, but might not be able to upload today.
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| 21:03 | <alkisg> vagrantc: that's actually good news for us, it'll give us more time for a good upload on wednesday, if you have time then :)
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| 21:03 | We'll only have the zenity thing + translations
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| 21:05 | <vagrantc> only.
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| 21:06 | <alkisg> :)
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