IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 11 March 2008 (all times are UTC)
| 00:08 | <subsume> Does ltsp set the gateway for client machines?
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| 00:08 | <MacIver> dhcp does
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| 00:09 | <subsume> at /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf?
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| 00:09 | <Lumiere> subsume: /etc/dhcpd.conf probably
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| 00:10 | although I haven't used 5.0
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| 00:10 | subsume: it is standard dhcpd
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| 00:10 | <subsume> http://paste.stgraber.org/1423
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| 00:10 | <Lumiere> ltsp just uses it to do things for it
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| 00:10 | <subsume> I have some questions about that
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| 00:10 | firstly, the example.com seems just to introduce junk. can it be safely commented out?
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| 00:11 | <Lumiere> you should set it to your domain
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| 00:11 | the idea is that if you type www
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| 00:11 | <subsume> I don't really have one.
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| 00:11 | <Lumiere> it automatically assumes www.example.com
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| 00:11 | <subsume> Its just a local school network
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| 00:11 | <Lumiere> then set it to ""
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| 00:11 | or comment it
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| 00:11 | you **NEED** next server
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| 00:11 | <subsume> =) yes.
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| 00:11 | I believe it to be 1.1
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| 00:12 | so which is my gateway, then?
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| 00:12 | <Lumiere> no
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| 00:12 | <subsume> I believe my clients will work great if my gateway is set to 0.10
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| 00:13 | <Lumiere> you don't set a gateway for the clients
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| 00:13 | <subsume> hmm.
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| 00:13 | <Lumiere> the clients make all connections from the server
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| 00:13 | the clients are literally just the xserver... all the apps run on the servecr
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| 00:14 | (the xserver is the display, the apps are xclients)
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| 00:14 | <subsume> ...? how to get gateway to 0.10
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| 00:14 | <Lumiere> subsume: can you get internet on the server?
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| 00:14 | <subsume> yeah, but not the clients
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| 00:14 | <Lumiere> oO
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| 00:14 | are the clients LTSP booting?
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| 00:14 | <subsume> no.
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| 00:15 | not yet, anyway
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| 00:15 | I haven't even gotten that far. installing LTSP funked up my existing setup.
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| 00:15 | <Lumiere> change routers
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| 00:15 | to the gateway
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| 00:15 | * Lumiere -> bed | |
| 00:15 | <subsume> .... heh heh.
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| 00:15 | what a remark to leave me on.
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| 00:15 | thanks anywho.
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| 00:15 | <Lumiere> http://paste.stgraber.org/1424
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| 00:16 | I'd keep helping
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| 00:16 | but I gotta be up in 6 hours
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| 00:16 | <subsume> Neat. thanks man
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| 00:16 | I will try ito ut
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| 04:50 | <johnny> hmm.. how do these 3 digit numbers in ltsp-build-client plugin files come into play?
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| 05:19 | <Nubae> whoever said I should install libflashsupport from hardy for my low fat clients, thanks, that worked
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| 05:37 | <Nubae> hmmm, I was just reading about hurd and it sounds very similar to virtualisation on a kernel level
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| 05:51 | <daduke> Nubae: that would be tarzeau...
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| 05:52 | <Nubae> thanks tarzeau
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| 05:53 | it should be mentioned somewhere that one has to install libflashsupport from hardy and not gutsy, but guess new release is coming soon so...
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| 05:53 | <tarzeau> is there a libflashsupport from gutsy at all?
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| 05:54 | indeed
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| 05:57 | <Nubae> no libflashsupport doesnt exist in gutsy
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| 05:57 | finally my network doesnt go under because of gnash...
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| 06:18 | I have a thin client with a floppy drive, and I'd like to write tomsrtbt to it so I can figure out the nics of the old computers I have, but of course doing /install.s tries to write to the servers floppy, can I get it to write to the thin client's floppy?
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| 06:22 | hmm I tried setting $FD to 192.168.0.61:/dev/fd0, but that doesnt work of course, .61 being the address of the thin client I'm working on that has the floppy
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| 06:41 | perhaps its here /tmp/.username-ltspfs/floppy0?
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| 06:44 | <tarzeau> youtube with sound works here
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| 06:47 | <Nubae> yeah works for me too now, thanks
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| 08:03 | <cliebow> anyonne using ldap in gutsy?
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| 08:19 | <Guaraldo> cliebow: LDAP client or ldap server?
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| 08:22 | <cliebow> ldap server..id just like to shut off all the logging....perhaps loglevel 0 will hlp
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| 08:23 | that is better..
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| 10:04 | <Nubae> does hardy not carry open office database anymore? its not in my Office list
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| 10:07 | * sutula doesn't know but suspects that there might be an answer among the 1281 users in #ubuntu | |
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| 10:16 | <daduke> vagrantc: my man! I can confirm that the latest ldm fixes X access for ldm_directx = false, but not for true, which is fine for the moment.
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| 10:30 | <vagrantc> daduke: yes, i wasn't able to figure out how to get it working for LDM_DIRECTX=true
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| 10:40 | <vagrantc> daduke: because the bug was so severe, i wanted to get it fixed in the default case at least ... i hope to find a more correct and long-term fix to the issue soon.
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| 10:47 | <daduke> vagrantc: that's fine with us. Would be nice to get video playback back at some point tho...
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| 12:06 | <Gadi> vagrantc: would a fix for DIRECTX be as easy as an rc.d script that does: ssh -S <socket> <server> xhost +${LDM_USERNAME}@${LDM_SERVER}
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| 12:07 | <vagrantc> Gadi: i didn't think xhost allowed usernames
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| 12:08 | <Gadi> yup
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| 12:08 | The xhost program is used to add and delete host names or user names ....
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| 12:09 | <vagrantc> yes, but i think the user name is "root"
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| 12:09 | i don't think it allows you to authenticate against remote user names
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| 12:09 | <Gadi> nis:unix.uid@domainname
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| 12:09 | thats an example
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| 12:09 | maybe not
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| 12:09 | <vagrantc> we definitely don't support NIS out of the box.
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| 12:09 | <Gadi> no I know
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| 12:10 | and I sure dont mean to imply that we should
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| 12:10 | :)
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| 12:10 | just an example of user@server syntax
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| 12:10 | but, ur right, it prolly needs to be a local user
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| 12:11 | not 100% sure, tho
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| 12:11 | <vagrantc> nothing like trying it out to see if it works, though :)
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| 12:11 | <Gadi> would be a simple fix
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| 12:12 | * Gadi wonders why startx works without -ac | |
| 12:12 | <vagrantc> it uses XDMCP
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| 12:12 | <Gadi> and xdmcp enables the auth?
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| 12:13 | <vagrantc> something like that.
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| 12:13 | <Gadi> is the issue wimply that the right cookie needs to be on the client?
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| 12:13 | *simply
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| 12:13 | <vagrantc> i *think* properly configuring xauth would actually fix the issue entirely.
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| 12:14 | <ogra_cmpc_> right
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| 12:14 | thats my opinion too
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| 12:14 | * daduke_ agrees | |
| 12:14 | <vagrantc> for both LDM_DIRECTX=true/false
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| 12:14 | but xauth is a confusing beast.
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| 12:14 | <Gadi> and by proper, wemean...
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| 12:14 | <ogra_cmpc_> i know we had it working some day else -ac wouldnt have been added :)
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| 12:15 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc_: "-ac" has been in there since the very first LDM commit.
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| 12:15 | i think.
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| 12:15 | * ogra_cmpc_ rememebrs -ac showing up with the first ltspfs babysteps | |
| 12:15 | <ogra_cmpc_> no, it was added later ... i know i didnt have it i the first ldm versions
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| 12:16 | <Gadi> lets blame sbalneav, then maybe he'll show up again in #ltsp :)
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| 12:16 | <ogra_cmpc_> (the ones without fullscreen gui)
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| 12:18 | <Gadi> btw, I think I am going to add an lts.conf param LDM_KNOWN_HOST, in which you can put a one-line host key to go along with LDM_SERVER - this obviates ltsp-update-sshkeys && ltsp-update-image
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| 12:18 | u guys interested in something like that?
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| 12:19 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: For what?
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| 12:19 | :-D
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> ?
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| 12:20 | <Guaraldo> Maybe I'm too dummy to it, but I didn't see the utility of this...
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| 12:20 | <Gadi> for connecting to servers other than the ltsp server
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| 12:20 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc_: it was added in revision 54
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| 12:21 | <Gadi> yeah, I guess in the default ltsp usage it is not really necessary
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| 12:21 | nm
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| 12:21 | <vagrantc> commit log is "Add ldm"
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| 12:21 | <ogra_cmpc_> hmm
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| 12:21 | <Guaraldo> wouldn't DNS substitute known_hosts?
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> dns?
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| 12:22 | no, ssh known hosts
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| 12:22 | <ogra_cmpc_> Gadi, hmm
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| 12:22 | not sure
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> LDM will only connect you to a server in its known_hosts
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| 12:22 | <Guaraldo> Gadi: Ahn... nice...
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| 12:22 | <ogra_cmpc_> lts.conf comes via tftp ....
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| 12:22 | <Gadi> ogra_cmpc_: its a public key
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| 12:23 | <ogra_cmpc_> i'm not sure i like the security issues that implies
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| 12:23 | right
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| 12:23 | <Gadi> you can give ur public key out to anyone
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| 12:23 | :)
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| 12:23 | <ogra_cmpc_> yes, but ldm doesnt let yo8u connect to any key :)
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| 12:24 | i fear you can esily inject something here
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> right. I am going to make it so that echo $LDM_KNOWN_HOST >> /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
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| 12:24 | on the client
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| 12:24 | <ogra_cmpc_> that doesnt solve the basic issue
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| 12:24 | <Gadi> Im not sure I follow
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| 12:25 | <ogra_cmpc_> imagine i set up a dhcpd and tftpd on my laptop in your company network ...
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| 12:25 | <Gadi> thats a completely different issue
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| 12:25 | if you do that, you can serve me anything you like
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| 12:26 | any rootfs you like
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| 12:26 | <ogra_cmpc_> if i tftp the files from your ltsp server over to mine and i'm in the lucky position that my server answers faster than yours, i can inject my own lts.conf
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| 12:26 | <Gadi> you can do more than that!
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| 12:26 | :)
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| 12:26 | <ogra_cmpc_> right
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| 12:26 | <vagrantc> ogra_cmpc_: you could also inject your own nbd
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| 12:26 | image
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| 12:26 | <Gadi> right
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| 12:26 | <vagrantc> you could inject your own everything
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| 12:26 | <ogra_cmpc_> hmm, indeed
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| 12:26 | <Gadi> at that point ldm is the least of your concerns
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| 12:26 | :)
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| 12:27 | * daduke_ has to admit that compared to the whole just closed this seems a *bit* esoteric.... | |
| 12:27 | <vagrantc> the weakest points security wise are dhcp, anything relating to tftp and nbd/nfs
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| 12:28 | <daduke_> hole of course..
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| 12:33 | if I might also add a suggestion: it would be helpful to have some well-defined hooks around ldm (tarzeau has been talking about this already). One of our issues was adding the user to a group upon login, another would be xset settings (ldm screen blanking) before login. I know about rc.d, but that's root (no user known), and for xset we haven't found a way yet.
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| 12:34 | <ogra_cmpc_> sounds scary
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| 12:34 | <daduke_> what does?
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| 12:34 | <ogra_cmpc_> what about using pam-script
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| 12:34 | <daduke_> hmm, idea!
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| 12:35 | <ogra_cmpc_> running pieces of ldm as root on the server
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| 12:35 | <Gadi> xset the user can do - its just that most desktops override it
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| 12:35 | <ogra_cmpc_> right
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| 12:35 | xset dpms doesntr gain you anything with gpm or kpower running
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| 12:36 | <daduke_> I'm just talking about the ldm screen here - the thin client sits there all night, consuming screen power..
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| 12:36 | <ogra_cmpc_> we need dpms support for xorg.conf though
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| 12:36 | though lts.conf
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| 12:36 | <daduke_> the workaround for adduser $USER fuse was chmod 666 /dev/fuse
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| 12:37 | * ogra_cmpc_ wasnt aware there were options for in in 4.2 until recently | |
| 12:37 | <Gadi> daduke_: you can add users to groups on login with pam_group
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| 12:37 | <daduke_> also when using LDAP users and a local (terminal server) fuse group?
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| 12:38 | <Gadi> sure
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| 12:38 | <ogra_cmpc_> you need to keep the system grups out of ldap
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| 12:38 | <Gadi> you can add an ldap user to a local group
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| 12:38 | <ogra_cmpc_> they are created dynamically at package install
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| 12:38 | <Gadi> right
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| 12:38 | <ogra_cmpc_> so the group ids differ from machine to machine
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| 12:39 | <rjune_> !G
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| 12:39 | <ltspbot> rjune_: "G" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 12:39 | <rjune_> !R
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| 12:39 | <ltspbot> rjune_: Error: "R" is not a valid command.
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| 12:39 | <rjune_> ah well
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| 12:39 | <Gadi> juney!!!!!
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| 12:39 | :)
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| 12:40 | <rjune_> I'm not that cool anymore.
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| 12:40 | <Gadi> no, its ltspbot that's not cool
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| 12:40 | <ogra_cmpc_> ubuntu (and i think debian too) create users only above gid 1000 .... i would leave out everything below from ldap
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| 12:41 | <mnemoc> redhat/fedora use 500 iirc
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| 12:41 | <daduke_> mnemoc: right.
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| 12:45 | <daduke_> has nobody ever tried blanking ldm screens? in our setup P(screen) ~ 6 * P(client)
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| 12:52 | <TiagoAT> Ajuda
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| 13:43 | <TiagoAT> Boa tarde
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| 14:03 | <TiagoAT> Help
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| 14:19 | <even> hi, anyone uses slim for login manager !?
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> even: slim would only be useful for local logins, which is typically not what LTSP does.
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| 14:48 | <even> hm
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| 14:48 | vagrantc: i want a most light login manager, not gdm or kdm
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| 14:48 | <ogra_cmpc> xdm then :)
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| 14:48 | there is nothing lighter
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| 14:48 | * vagrantc questions that assumption | |
| 14:49 | <ogra_cmpc> i think it eats about 3M
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| 14:49 | not even ldm manages that
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| 14:49 | <jammcq> xdm is pretty light
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> even: slim explicitly says it doesn't support remote logins... so unless you're doing fat clients, my guess is it won't work for you.
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| 14:49 | <even> hm, ok
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| 14:50 | * ogra_cmpc stops commenting without knowing the context and goes back into the corner to cry about classmate suspend/resume issues | |
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| 15:05 | <johnny> what do the numbers mean in the plugin file names? i can't tell how they matter
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> it's the sort order
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| 15:08 | <vagrantc> so the ones that begin with lower numbers will be run first
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| 15:10 | actually slim sounds like it might be worth considering for kiosk mode
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| 15:11 | <cyberorg> hi guys, i'd like to share this beautiful sight with you http://picasaweb.google.com/jigish.gohil/Opensuse/photo#5176564497066389986
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> lighter than gdm or kdm and supports autologin
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| 15:12 | <Guaraldo> vagrantc: Do you know where I can change (personalise) LDM theme?
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| 15:12 | <vagrantc> Guaraldo: add a theme in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes
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| 15:12 | <Guaraldo> vagrantc: Thanks...
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| 15:13 | <vagrantc> Guaraldo: and depending on your version, either set LDM_THEME in lts.conf or use chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-alternatives --config
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| 15:14 | <Guaraldo> vagrantc: Great... thanks...
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> Guaraldo: it's only very recent versions that support LDM_THEME
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| 15:15 | oh, you might have to do update-alternatives --install, too ... the syntax of which is always hard to remember
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| 15:15 | <Guaraldo> vagrantc: I'll try, then I'll tell the result... :-D
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| 15:16 | <vagrantc> Guaraldo: well, it's in the ldm.postinst ... so i can always find it :)
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| 15:17 | * vagrantc contemplates merging ldm and slim | |
| 15:18 | <jammcq> !seen sbalneav
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| 15:18 | <ltspbot> jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 4 weeks, 6 days, 5 hours, 19 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <sbalneav> What are we looking at?
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| 15:27 | <vagrantc> !miss sbalneav
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| 15:27 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "miss" is not a valid command.
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| 17:25 | <_rodrigo_> hi! I know this is not the proper channel, but maybe someone can help
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| 17:25 | <_rodrigo_> I can't setup a xdmcp connection between 2 machines
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| 17:25 | I see a grey screen
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| 17:26 | I checked all that the LTSP wiki says
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| 17:26 | after making listenting kdm / gdm with IPv4
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| 17:26 | nothing happens
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| 17:26 | just the grey screen
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| 17:27 | I'm asking here because I plan to put an LTSP server in that machine
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| 17:27 | <vagrantc> !grayscreen
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| 17:27 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: Error: "grayscreen" is not a valid command.
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| 17:27 | <vagrantc> !greyscreen
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| 17:27 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "greyscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
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| 17:27 | <johnny> ltsp5 doesn't use xdmcp _rodrigo_
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| 17:27 | <vagrantc> _rodrigo_: is that the page you meant?
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| 17:27 | <johnny> by default anyways
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| 17:27 | <_rodrigo_> but I can't just do an XDMCP, I wont be able to deploy it
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| 17:27 | vagrantc: yes
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| 17:28 | what does lstp5 use?
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| 17:29 | vagrantc: so, no idea of what could possibly go wrong?
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| 17:29 | <vagrantc> other than what's mentioned on that page, no
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| 17:31 | <_rodrigo_> Mar 11 17:16:43 hornero kdm: <hos>t:0[4209]: Cannot connect to <host>:0, giving up
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| 17:31 | Mar 11 17:16:43 hornero kdm[4038]: Display <host>:0 cannot be opened
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| 17:31 | is the only clue I have and I can't find something in google
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| 17:35 | <vagrantc> well, gotta run. good luck.
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| 17:35 | <_rodrigo_> thanks
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| 17:37 | <vlt> _rodrigo_: ltsp5 uses `ssh -X` btw
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| 17:37 | <_rodrigo_> vlt: tunnels the X server?
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| 17:38 | <vlt> _rodrigo_: It's hard to tell who is "server" and who is "client" in the X world ;)
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| 17:39 | <_rodrigo_> :D hehe!
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| 17:40 | <vlt> _rodrigo_: But yes, X server runs on the client displaying the ssh forwarded "content".
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| 17:41 | <_rodrigo_> maybe I could use that instead of xdmcp
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| 17:41 | where can I read more?
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| 17:42 | <vlt> _rodrigo_: You can still use XDMCP if you like. For some clients (<300MHz) I have "SCREEN_07=startx" in lts.conf which runs `X -query` instead of `ssh -X`.
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| 17:43 | _rodrigo_: I'm using the Ubuntu packaged ltsp.
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| 17:43 | <_rodrigo_> ok
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| 17:44 | well, I'll read about that. Now I gotta go, thanks a lot!
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| 17:44 | <vlt> _rodrigo_: There's only one problem I couldn't solve: LANG is C instead of UTF-8 when using XDMCP ...
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| 17:45 | <_rodrigo_> mmm... no idea
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| 17:46 | bye!
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| 17:48 | <stgraber> vlt: you would have to force it to UTF-8 using .gdmrc (or something that does the same for the whole system)
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| 17:49 | vlt: .dmrc actually
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| 17:54 | <slashdotfx> elisboa, are you there?
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| 17:55 | I've found a hack to make unpartitioned usb pendrive mounted under feisty
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| 17:55 | it's an awfull hack, but it works(TM)
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| 18:05 | <vlt> stgraber: I already tried .*dmrc. Didn't work. Maybe It'll be fixed when I upgrade my old Ubuntu 6.06 install soon ...
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| 20:07 | <vagrantc> warren: when's your version freeze?
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| 20:20 | <vagrantc> yay. yay. yay. mips build of ltsp ... now it can finally make it to debian lenny/testing
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| 20:20 | now just have to figure out the fate of ldm ... but it's got an RC bug in lenny, so that'll hopefully mean faster progression ...
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| 20:25 | * ogra_cmpc sighs deeply | |
| 20:26 | <ogra_cmpc> a whole day debugging why grub didnt add an entry for the initramfs .... just to find that there was a .bak and .new file but actually no initramfs in place
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| 20:27 | it took me 8 GODDAMN HOURS ! to see the problem ...
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| 20:28 | moving one line up four rows in my was the trivial solution ... what a wasted day
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| 20:28 | s/in my/in my script/
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| 21:01 | <BogsYosi> hi all
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| 21:56 | <jammcq> hey all
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| 22:51 | <rjune> howdy jammcq
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| 22:51 | !j
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| 22:51 | <ltspbot> rjune: Error: "j" is not a valid command.
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| 22:51 | <rjune> huh, apparently you're not cool enough for ltspbot either.
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