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Channel log from 11 March 2008   (all times are UTC)

00:08
<subsume>
Does ltsp set the gateway for client machines?
00:08
<MacIver>
dhcp does
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<subsume>
at /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf?
00:09
<Lumiere>
subsume: /etc/dhcpd.conf probably
00:10
although I haven't used 5.0
00:10
subsume: it is standard dhcpd
00:10
<subsume>
http://paste.stgraber.org/1423
00:10
<Lumiere>
ltsp just uses it to do things for it
00:10
<subsume>
I have some questions about that
00:10
firstly, the example.com seems just to introduce junk. can it be safely commented out?
00:11
<Lumiere>
you should set it to your domain
00:11
the idea is that if you type www
00:11
<subsume>
I don't really have one.
00:11
<Lumiere>
it automatically assumes www.example.com
00:11
<subsume>
Its just a local school network
00:11
<Lumiere>
then set it to ""
00:11
or comment it
00:11
you **NEED** next server
00:11
<subsume>
=) yes.
00:11
I believe it to be 1.1
00:12
so which is my gateway, then?
00:12
<Lumiere>
no
00:12
<subsume>
I believe my clients will work great if my gateway is set to 0.10
00:13
<Lumiere>
you don't set a gateway for the clients
00:13
<subsume>
hmm.
00:13
<Lumiere>
the clients make all connections from the server
00:13
the clients are literally just the xserver... all the apps run on the servecr
00:14
(the xserver is the display, the apps are xclients)
00:14
<subsume>
...? how to get gateway to 0.10
00:14
<Lumiere>
subsume: can you get internet on the server?
00:14
<subsume>
yeah, but not the clients
00:14
<Lumiere>
oO
00:14
are the clients LTSP booting?
00:14
<subsume>
no.
00:15
not yet, anyway
00:15
I haven't even gotten that far. installing LTSP funked up my existing setup.
00:15
<Lumiere>
change routers
00:15
to the gateway
00:15* Lumiere -> bed
00:15
<subsume>
.... heh heh.
00:15
what a remark to leave me on.
00:15
thanks anywho.
00:15
<Lumiere>
http://paste.stgraber.org/1424
00:16
I'd keep helping
00:16
but I gotta be up in 6 hours
00:16
<subsume>
Neat. thanks man
00:16
I will try ito ut
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<johnny>
hmm.. how do these 3 digit numbers in ltsp-build-client plugin files come into play?
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05:19
<Nubae>
whoever said I should install libflashsupport from hardy for my low fat clients, thanks, that worked
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05:37
<Nubae>
hmmm, I was just reading about hurd and it sounds very similar to virtualisation on a kernel level
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05:51
<daduke>
Nubae: that would be tarzeau...
05:52
<Nubae>
thanks tarzeau
05:53
it should be mentioned somewhere that one has to install libflashsupport from hardy and not gutsy, but guess new release is coming soon so...
05:53
<tarzeau>
is there a libflashsupport from gutsy at all?
05:54
indeed
05:57
<Nubae>
no libflashsupport doesnt exist in gutsy
05:57
finally my network doesnt go under because of gnash...
06:18
I have a thin client with a floppy drive, and I'd like to write tomsrtbt to it so I can figure out the nics of the old computers I have, but of course doing /install.s tries to write to the servers floppy, can I get it to write to the thin client's floppy?
06:22
hmm I tried setting $FD to 192.168.0.61:/dev/fd0, but that doesnt work of course, .61 being the address of the thin client I'm working on that has the floppy
06:41
perhaps its here /tmp/.username-ltspfs/floppy0?
06:44
<tarzeau>
youtube with sound works here
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<Nubae>
yeah works for me too now, thanks
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08:03
<cliebow>
anyonne using ldap in gutsy?
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08:19
<Guaraldo>
cliebow: LDAP client or ldap server?
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08:22
<cliebow>
ldap server..id just like to shut off all the logging....perhaps loglevel 0 will hlp
08:23
that is better..
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10:04
<Nubae>
does hardy not carry open office database anymore? its not in my Office list
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10:07* sutula doesn't know but suspects that there might be an answer among the 1281 users in #ubuntu
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10:16
<daduke>
vagrantc: my man! I can confirm that the latest ldm fixes X access for ldm_directx = false, but not for true, which is fine for the moment.
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10:30
<vagrantc>
daduke: yes, i wasn't able to figure out how to get it working for LDM_DIRECTX=true
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10:40
<vagrantc>
daduke: because the bug was so severe, i wanted to get it fixed in the default case at least ... i hope to find a more correct and long-term fix to the issue soon.
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10:47
<daduke>
vagrantc: that's fine with us. Would be nice to get video playback back at some point tho...
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12:06
<Gadi>
vagrantc: would a fix for DIRECTX be as easy as an rc.d script that does: ssh -S <socket> <server> xhost +${LDM_USERNAME}@${LDM_SERVER}
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12:07
<vagrantc>
Gadi: i didn't think xhost allowed usernames
12:08
<Gadi>
yup
12:08
The xhost program is used to add and delete host names or user names ....
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12:09
<vagrantc>
yes, but i think the user name is "root"
12:09
i don't think it allows you to authenticate against remote user names
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12:09
<Gadi>
nis:unix.uid@domainname
12:09
thats an example
12:09
maybe not
12:09
<vagrantc>
we definitely don't support NIS out of the box.
12:09
<Gadi>
no I know
12:10
and I sure dont mean to imply that we should
12:10
:)
12:10
just an example of user@server syntax
12:10
but, ur right, it prolly needs to be a local user
12:11
not 100% sure, tho
12:11
<vagrantc>
nothing like trying it out to see if it works, though :)
12:11
<Gadi>
would be a simple fix
12:12* Gadi wonders why startx works without -ac
12:12
<vagrantc>
it uses XDMCP
12:12
<Gadi>
and xdmcp enables the auth?
12:13
<vagrantc>
something like that.
12:13
<Gadi>
is the issue wimply that the right cookie needs to be on the client?
12:13
*simply
12:13
<vagrantc>
i *think* properly configuring xauth would actually fix the issue entirely.
12:14
<ogra_cmpc_>
right
12:14
thats my opinion too
12:14* daduke_ agrees
12:14
<vagrantc>
for both LDM_DIRECTX=true/false
12:14
but xauth is a confusing beast.
12:14
<Gadi>
and by proper, wemean...
12:14
<ogra_cmpc_>
i know we had it working some day else -ac wouldnt have been added :)
12:15
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc_: "-ac" has been in there since the very first LDM commit.
12:15
i think.
12:15* ogra_cmpc_ rememebrs -ac showing up with the first ltspfs babysteps
12:15
<ogra_cmpc_>
no, it was added later ... i know i didnt have it i the first ldm versions
12:16
<Gadi>
lets blame sbalneav, then maybe he'll show up again in #ltsp :)
12:16
<ogra_cmpc_>
(the ones without fullscreen gui)
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12:18
<Gadi>
btw, I think I am going to add an lts.conf param LDM_KNOWN_HOST, in which you can put a one-line host key to go along with LDM_SERVER - this obviates ltsp-update-sshkeys && ltsp-update-image
12:18
u guys interested in something like that?
12:19
<Guaraldo>
Gadi: For what?
12:19
:-D
12:20
<Gadi>
?
12:20
<Guaraldo>
Maybe I'm too dummy to it, but I didn't see the utility of this...
12:20
<Gadi>
for connecting to servers other than the ltsp server
12:20
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc_: it was added in revision 54
12:21
<Gadi>
yeah, I guess in the default ltsp usage it is not really necessary
12:21
nm
12:21
<vagrantc>
commit log is "Add ldm"
12:21
<ogra_cmpc_>
hmm
12:21
<Guaraldo>
wouldn't DNS substitute known_hosts?
12:22
<Gadi>
dns?
12:22
no, ssh known hosts
12:22
<ogra_cmpc_>
Gadi, hmm
12:22
not sure
12:22
<Gadi>
LDM will only connect you to a server in its known_hosts
12:22
<Guaraldo>
Gadi: Ahn... nice...
12:22
<ogra_cmpc_>
lts.conf comes via tftp ....
12:22
<Gadi>
ogra_cmpc_: its a public key
12:23
<ogra_cmpc_>
i'm not sure i like the security issues that implies
12:23
right
12:23
<Gadi>
you can give ur public key out to anyone
12:23
:)
12:23
<ogra_cmpc_>
yes, but ldm doesnt let yo8u connect to any key :)
12:24
i fear you can esily inject something here
12:24
<Gadi>
right. I am going to make it so that echo $LDM_KNOWN_HOST >> /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts
12:24
on the client
12:24
<ogra_cmpc_>
that doesnt solve the basic issue
12:24
<Gadi>
Im not sure I follow
12:25
<ogra_cmpc_>
imagine i set up a dhcpd and tftpd on my laptop in your company network ...
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12:25
<Gadi>
thats a completely different issue
12:25
if you do that, you can serve me anything you like
12:26
any rootfs you like
12:26
<ogra_cmpc_>
if i tftp the files from your ltsp server over to mine and i'm in the lucky position that my server answers faster than yours, i can inject my own lts.conf
12:26
<Gadi>
you can do more than that!
12:26
:)
12:26
<ogra_cmpc_>
right
12:26
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc_: you could also inject your own nbd
12:26
image
12:26
<Gadi>
right
12:26
<vagrantc>
you could inject your own everything
12:26
<ogra_cmpc_>
hmm, indeed
12:26
<Gadi>
at that point ldm is the least of your concerns
12:26
:)
12:27* daduke_ has to admit that compared to the whole just closed this seems a *bit* esoteric....
12:27
<vagrantc>
the weakest points security wise are dhcp, anything relating to tftp and nbd/nfs
12:28
<daduke_>
hole of course..
12:33
if I might also add a suggestion: it would be helpful to have some well-defined hooks around ldm (tarzeau has been talking about this already). One of our issues was adding the user to a group upon login, another would be xset settings (ldm screen blanking) before login. I know about rc.d, but that's root (no user known), and for xset we haven't found a way yet.
12:34
<ogra_cmpc_>
sounds scary
12:34
<daduke_>
what does?
12:34
<ogra_cmpc_>
what about using pam-script
12:34
<daduke_>
hmm, idea!
12:35
<ogra_cmpc_>
running pieces of ldm as root on the server
12:35
<Gadi>
xset the user can do - its just that most desktops override it
12:35
<ogra_cmpc_>
right
12:35
xset dpms doesntr gain you anything with gpm or kpower running
12:36
<daduke_>
I'm just talking about the ldm screen here - the thin client sits there all night, consuming screen power..
12:36
<ogra_cmpc_>
we need dpms support for xorg.conf though
12:36
though lts.conf
12:36
<daduke_>
the workaround for adduser $USER fuse was chmod 666 /dev/fuse
12:37* ogra_cmpc_ wasnt aware there were options for in in 4.2 until recently
12:37
<Gadi>
daduke_: you can add users to groups on login with pam_group
12:37
<daduke_>
also when using LDAP users and a local (terminal server) fuse group?
12:38
<Gadi>
sure
12:38
<ogra_cmpc_>
you need to keep the system grups out of ldap
12:38
<Gadi>
you can add an ldap user to a local group
12:38
<ogra_cmpc_>
they are created dynamically at package install
12:38
<Gadi>
right
12:38
<ogra_cmpc_>
so the group ids differ from machine to machine
12:39
<rjune_>
!G
12:39
<ltspbot>
rjune_: "G" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12:39
<rjune_>
!R
12:39
<ltspbot>
rjune_: Error: "R" is not a valid command.
12:39
<rjune_>
ah well
12:39
<Gadi>
juney!!!!!
12:39
:)
12:40
<rjune_>
I'm not that cool anymore.
12:40
<Gadi>
no, its ltspbot that's not cool
12:40
<ogra_cmpc_>
ubuntu (and i think debian too) create users only above gid 1000 .... i would leave out everything below from ldap
12:41
<mnemoc>
redhat/fedora use 500 iirc
12:41
<daduke_>
mnemoc: right.
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12:45
<daduke_>
has nobody ever tried blanking ldm screens? in our setup P(screen) ~ 6 * P(client)
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<TiagoAT>
Ajuda
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<TiagoAT>
Boa tarde
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<TiagoAT>
Help
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14:19
<even>
hi, anyone uses slim for login manager !?
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<vagrantc>
even: slim would only be useful for local logins, which is typically not what LTSP does.
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14:48
<even>
hm
14:48
vagrantc: i want a most light login manager, not gdm or kdm
14:48
<ogra_cmpc>
xdm then :)
14:48
there is nothing lighter
14:48* vagrantc questions that assumption
14:49
<ogra_cmpc>
i think it eats about 3M
14:49
not even ldm manages that
14:49
<jammcq>
xdm is pretty light
14:49
<vagrantc>
even: slim explicitly says it doesn't support remote logins... so unless you're doing fat clients, my guess is it won't work for you.
14:49
<even>
hm, ok
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<johnny>
what do the numbers mean in the plugin file names? i can't tell how they matter
15:07
<vagrantc>
it's the sort order
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<vagrantc>
so the ones that begin with lower numbers will be run first
15:10
actually slim sounds like it might be worth considering for kiosk mode
15:11
<cyberorg>
hi guys, i'd like to share this beautiful sight with you http://picasaweb.google.com/jigish.gohil/Opensuse/photo#5176564497066389986
15:11
<vagrantc>
lighter than gdm or kdm and supports autologin
15:12
<Guaraldo>
vagrantc: Do you know where I can change (personalise) LDM theme?
15:12
<vagrantc>
Guaraldo: add a theme in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes
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<Guaraldo>
vagrantc: Thanks...
15:13
<vagrantc>
Guaraldo: and depending on your version, either set LDM_THEME in lts.conf or use chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-alternatives --config
15:14
<Guaraldo>
vagrantc: Great... thanks...
15:14
<vagrantc>
Guaraldo: it's only very recent versions that support LDM_THEME
15:15
oh, you might have to do update-alternatives --install, too ... the syntax of which is always hard to remember
15:15
<Guaraldo>
vagrantc: I'll try, then I'll tell the result... :-D
15:16
<vagrantc>
Guaraldo: well, it's in the ldm.postinst ... so i can always find it :)
15:17* vagrantc contemplates merging ldm and slim
15:18
<jammcq>
!seen sbalneav
15:18
<ltspbot>
jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 4 weeks, 6 days, 5 hours, 19 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <sbalneav> What are we looking at?
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<vagrantc>
!miss sbalneav
15:27
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: "miss" is not a valid command.
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<_rodrigo_>
hi! I know this is not the proper channel, but maybe someone can help
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<_rodrigo_>
I can't setup a xdmcp connection between 2 machines
17:25
I see a grey screen
17:26
I checked all that the LTSP wiki says
17:26
after making listenting kdm / gdm with IPv4
17:26
nothing happens
17:26
just the grey screen
17:27
I'm asking here because I plan to put an LTSP server in that machine
17:27
<vagrantc>
!grayscreen
17:27
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: "grayscreen" is not a valid command.
17:27
<vagrantc>
!greyscreen
17:27
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "greyscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
17:27
<johnny>
ltsp5 doesn't use xdmcp _rodrigo_
17:27
<vagrantc>
_rodrigo_: is that the page you meant?
17:27
<johnny>
by default anyways
17:27
<_rodrigo_>
but I can't just do an XDMCP, I wont be able to deploy it
17:27
vagrantc: yes
17:28
what does lstp5 use?
17:29
vagrantc: so, no idea of what could possibly go wrong?
17:29
<vagrantc>
other than what's mentioned on that page, no
17:31
<_rodrigo_>
Mar 11 17:16:43 hornero kdm: <hos>t:0[4209]: Cannot connect to <host>:0, giving up
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Mar 11 17:16:43 hornero kdm[4038]: Display <host>:0 cannot be opened
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is the only clue I have and I can't find something in google
17:35
<vagrantc>
well, gotta run. good luck.
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<_rodrigo_>
thanks
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<vlt>
_rodrigo_: ltsp5 uses `ssh -X` btw
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<_rodrigo_>
vlt: tunnels the X server?
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<vlt>
_rodrigo_: It's hard to tell who is "server" and who is "client" in the X world ;)
17:39
<_rodrigo_>
:D hehe!
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<vlt>
_rodrigo_: But yes, X server runs on the client displaying the ssh forwarded "content".
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<_rodrigo_>
maybe I could use that instead of xdmcp
17:41
where can I read more?
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<vlt>
_rodrigo_: You can still use XDMCP if you like. For some clients (<300MHz) I have "SCREEN_07=startx" in lts.conf which runs `X -query` instead of `ssh -X`.
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_rodrigo_: I'm using the Ubuntu packaged ltsp.
17:43
<_rodrigo_>
ok
17:44
well, I'll read about that. Now I gotta go, thanks a lot!
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<vlt>
_rodrigo_: There's only one problem I couldn't solve: LANG is C instead of UTF-8 when using XDMCP ...
17:45
<_rodrigo_>
mmm... no idea
17:46
bye!
17:48
<stgraber>
vlt: you would have to force it to UTF-8 using .gdmrc (or something that does the same for the whole system)
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vlt: .dmrc actually
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<slashdotfx>
elisboa, are you there?
17:55
I've found a hack to make unpartitioned usb pendrive mounted under feisty
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it's an awfull hack, but it works(TM)
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<vlt>
stgraber: I already tried .*dmrc. Didn't work. Maybe It'll be fixed when I upgrade my old Ubuntu 6.06 install soon ...
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<vagrantc>
warren: when's your version freeze?
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<vagrantc>
yay. yay. yay. mips build of ltsp ... now it can finally make it to debian lenny/testing
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now just have to figure out the fate of ldm ... but it's got an RC bug in lenny, so that'll hopefully mean faster progression ...
20:25* ogra_cmpc sighs deeply
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<ogra_cmpc>
a whole day debugging why grub didnt add an entry for the initramfs .... just to find that there was a .bak and .new file but actually no initramfs in place
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it took me 8 GODDAMN HOURS ! to see the problem ...
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moving one line up four rows in my was the trivial solution ... what a wasted day
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s/in my/in my script/
20:36* chupa has been lost at sxsw.
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<BogsYosi>
hi all
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<jammcq>
hey all
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<rjune>
howdy jammcq
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!j
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<ltspbot>
rjune: Error: "j" is not a valid command.
22:51
<rjune>
huh, apparently you're not cool enough for ltspbot either.
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