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Channel log from 16 June 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:49 | <Pascal_1> Bonjour
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| 01:52 | <Briareos1> after booting the clients every once in a while the keyboard doesn't react anymore - we cannot even switch NUM on or off or so. Stuck at ldm and only option is to reboot 1-5 times so it will work again. any ideas?
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| 02:04 | <johnny> sounds like some sort of kernel panic
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| 02:04 | well.. one suggestion would be add an ssh server on your client chroot
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| 02:04 | and then ssh into it
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| 02:05 | see if you can get to it, if you can.. then you read logs while you trigger the failure
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| 02:07 | <artista_frustrad> can anyone help me with setting up ltsp clients to boot from hard drive?
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| 02:07 | <artista_frustrad> i've found a few tutorials about it but they are not working
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| 02:11 | <Briareos1_> sry network problem
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| 02:11 | johnny, did you mean me?
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| 02:12 | <johnny> yes
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| 04:21 | <Briareos1_> johnny, sorry had another problem to take care of; why do you think it could have something to do with ssh?
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| 04:28 | my problem seems similar to that bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/58981
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| 04:29 | but on some clients a ps/2 works just fine and on some i need to reboot several times until it works
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| 04:29 | -> stuck at login screen (ldm) and cannot even switch to terminal or so ..
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| 04:33 | <masus> hi all , have one server with debian amd64 and want to connect from one client but get an message like "Your CPU does not support long node.Use a 32Bit Distribution"
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| 04:33 | can anybody help ? Thanks
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| 04:43 | <Briareos1_> keyboard dies on login screen: http://www.omgili.com/mailinglist/debian-edu/lists/debian/org/BAY105-W2470842C1C2ED56844EB90A2350phxgbl.html - - - all the values are set to default (no lts.conf exists), so i don't know how that "SCREEN_01 = startx" thing could be the issue here?
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| 04:44 | <johnny> masus, that means you need to use ltsp-build-client --arch=i386
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| 04:44 | Briareos1_, i said you could use ssh to discover the problem
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| 04:45 | by logging into it remotely
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| 04:45 | <Briareos1_> johnny - i am logged in via ssh
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| 04:45 | <masus> i have do before only ltsp-build-client. do şahve to uninstall it before ?
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| 04:45 | <Briareos1_> johnny but what exactly could i look for?
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| 04:45 | <johnny> to the client?
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| 04:45 | <masus> johnny: *do i have to uninstall it before?
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| 04:46 | <johnny> masus, i don't think so
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| 04:46 | it uses different directories
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| 04:46 | Briareos1_, logs ?
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| 04:46 | <masus> johnny: ok thank u very much ...
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| 04:46 | <johnny> or see if ssh freezes. or just the display
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| 04:46 | or rather.. just the keyboard
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| 04:49 | <Briareos1_> johnny ah okay sorry - you mean ssh'ing to the client - not the server; well as the problem is not "active" at the moment I can't
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| 04:49 | <johnny> well you would still have to rebuild your chroot , since it isn't there by default
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| 04:49 | you would have to install the openssh-server package
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| 04:49 | it is 6am for me.. i must go to sleep
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| 04:50 | but i'll be back later i'm sure
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| 04:50 | <Briareos1_> k sleep well :)
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| 07:45 | <Blinny> FF3 is a ram hog
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| 07:47 | <Blinny> 'course, thunderbird is no slouch either.
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| 08:13 | <masus> hi all,does anyone know how to change the screen resolution on the clients to 1280x724. lts.conf "X_MODE_0" does not change the resolution. :/ Thanks...
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| 08:22 | <Briareos1_> my keyboard "dies" when reaching the login screen. No input possible. Only with PS/2, but on the other hand not on all clients. Any ideas how to fix that?
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| 08:44 | <Briareos1_> WITHIN the ltsp client i start a Citrix ICA terminal window to connect to a windows NT4 TS. Problem is: Sometimes that window doesn't get refreshed correctly. any idea?
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| 08:45 | windows are then blurred and shifted and one cannot really work like that
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| 08:45 | (on that winNT-TS is our main accounting software)
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| 08:45 | <ogra> did you ask citrix ?
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| 08:46 | <Briareos1_> nope. i suspect ltsp to be the problem here (on normal client it works well - same version)
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| 08:47 | <ogra> are you 100% sure it's the same X version ?
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| 08:47 | <Briareos1_> maybe it doesn't recognize that there is something to refresh within that window (though I admit i have too little knowledge - just know that from VNC)
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| 08:47 | ogra - no - i meant the same ica client version
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| 08:47 | <ogra> right
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| 08:47 | i suspect its not compiled against the current X libs
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| 08:48 | <Briareos1_> hmm it came as a ready package
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| 08:48 | <ogra> how old ? when was it built
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| 08:51 | <Briareos1_> gotta check - by the way: one employee is working more with using the mouse and the other merely uses the keyboard -> the problem is worse when using keyboard only to switch thru the windows in the TSC
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| 08:53 | ogra: the ica clientsoftware is from June 2007
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| 09:14 | <cliebow> howdy ogra..by the way
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| 09:41 | <juanpaul> hello johnny
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| 12:02 | <Pascal_1> Bonsoir
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| 12:07 | <Lns> Aloha
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| 12:11 | <juanpaul> Hello, i'm having trouble to login on ltsp 5 client. I have tested with the command "X -broadcast" on client and then, showed the gdm screen and i have logged in. But, with the login screen of the ltsp 5, i inform the user and password, get the message "Verifying password. Please wait...". Then the background goes black (but i can see the mouse cursor) and, after 3 seconds the X server restart
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| 12:14 | <Lns> juanpaul, well i'm not sure why you're doing an 'X -broadcast' since LTSP does a full boot from PXE on the client - but the 3 seconds/x restart is usually because the user typed in a wrong password
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| 12:33 | <juanpaul> Lns, i'm doing 'X -broadcast' to connect on the server GDM via xdmcp and, it worked ok. Isn't wrong user/password because i can log via xdmcp. I've retyped the password many times (one user password is '1234')
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| 12:36 | <Lns> juanpaul, i might be missing something but what do you mean by being able to 'log in' via xdmcp? xdmcp is the protocol to connect to a login manager (at least afair)
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| 12:36 | do you mean log in via the server console?
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| 12:39 | <juanpaul> Lns, i call the X -broadcast on ltsp client, then it found my X server on the main server, connect to it and show the gdm login screen, using this i can authenticate the user (logon on gnome, show menus, everything appears to be ok) that i've created to be accessed via ltsp client.
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| 12:39 | but via LTSP way not go
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| 12:40 | i'm using Gentoo
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| 12:41 | <Lns> juanpaul, hmm - well ldm should authenticate the same way as gdm... unless you have some weird setting in your lts.conf ..? Not sure, never encountered that issue before
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| 12:41 | actually
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| 12:42 | have you changed server IP addresses?
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| 12:42 | might want to try ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 12:42 | <johnny> why are you using gdm ?
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| 12:42 | if it doesn't work.,. you're kinda on you're on juanpaul .. i haven't touched anything but making ldm work
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| 12:43 | ldm is the only thing i will make adjustments for atm
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| 12:43 | Lns, how would ldm auth the same was as gdm?
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| 12:44 | it's somewhat similiar.. but ldm makes a direct external ssh connection
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| 12:44 | <Lns> johnny, via pam ?
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| 12:44 | <johnny> sure.. but one happens directly on the server itself, and one happens from afar
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| 12:44 | and via different pam path
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| 12:45 | <Lns> so it's an ssh issue i would assume..?
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| 12:45 | <johnny> what he's trying wont' work with ssh
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| 12:45 | just xdmcp
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| 12:45 | <Lns> no, he says he can login via xdmcp, right?
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| 12:46 | <juanpaul> yes, i can login via xdmcp
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| 12:46 | <johnny> well.. don't :)
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| 12:46 | <Lns> just not via "ltsp" (I'm assuming via the full pxe boot)
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| 12:46 | <johnny> ok
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| 12:46 | messages were confusing
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| 12:46 | <juanpaul> johnny, i will use the local screen of this server as an X terminal too
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| 12:47 | <Lns> yea the xdmcp is a weird route but it does prove that the pw isn't wrong
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| 12:47 | <juanpaul> here is the ldm.log output: http://www.pastebin.org/44000
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| 12:47 | <Lns> juanpaul, did you change IP addresses of the server?
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| 12:47 | <johnny> juanpaul, check your server logs for ssh
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| 12:47 | see what happened
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| 12:48 | <juanpaul> Lns, no. I can login ok from ltsp client to server using ssh
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| 12:48 | <johnny> juanpaul, does it ask you any questions?
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| 12:48 | other than the password
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| 12:49 | <juanpaul> no
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| 12:49 | <johnny> if it says anything but the password, it will have problems.. like asking you whether you trust the host
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| 12:49 | when connecting to a new server
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| 12:49 | Lns, he's testing the alpha version of ltsp5 for gentoo, first person other than me to ever use it
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| 12:49 | <Lns> ooooh
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| 12:49 | ;)
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| 12:50 | * Gadi thinks ldm tries to run /etc/X11/Xsession which you do not have | |
| 12:50 | <juanpaul> johnny, no, only ask for the password. This seems that know_hosts is OK
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| 12:51 | i've found this message on sshd log: debug1: x11_create_display_inet: Socket family 10 not supported
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| 12:51 | <johnny> Gadi, how would you know that? :)
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| 12:51 | <Gadi> ldm.log he pasted
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| 12:51 | expect saw: sh-3.2$ Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding.
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| 12:51 | expect sees a shell prompt
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| 12:51 | <johnny> hmm.. i think i still get that warning
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| 12:51 | and it works
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| 12:52 | <Nubae> anyone here heard about usb based thin clients built into monitors?
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| 12:52 | using displaylink technology... I've seen a video that claims they are doing ltsp that way, but find it hard to believe
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| 12:52 | <johnny> juanpaul, do you have the xdm package installed?
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| 12:53 | <juanpaul> Gadi, i've linked /etc/X11/Xsession to /etc/X11/Xsession/Sessions/Xsession on the server
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| 12:53 | <johnny> that won't work i think juanpaul
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| 12:53 | remove that
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| 12:53 | install xdm instead
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| 12:53 | it includes a session chooser shell script
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| 12:53 | i thought i made that mandator
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| 12:53 | mandatory*
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| 12:54 | <juanpaul> johnny, i don't have xdm installed, beside, i have gdm installed
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| 12:55 | <Nubae> http://www.ndiyo.org/systems/hubster/basics
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| 12:55 | <johnny> you need xdm
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| 12:55 | <Nubae> is that possible?
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| 12:55 | <johnny> that's the conclusion dberkholz and i came to, at least in this juncture of the current gentoo xorg setup
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| 12:55 | i should see what outstanding patches i have
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| 12:56 | looks like none..
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| 12:56 | guess i need to make ldm a required dep on the server
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| 12:56 | <Nubae> I see this part as being highly unlikely: Our software can explore the hierarchy of the USB connections, work out which components are connected to which hubs, and automatically make intelligent decisions about how to group them into terminals.
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| 12:57 | <johnny> Nubae, that seems feasible
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| 12:57 | they all have usb ids..
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| 12:57 | they are all connected to specific root hubs
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| 12:57 | <Nubae> so u think they'll automatically route?
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| 12:57 | <johnny> it is feasible
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| 12:57 | <juanpaul> johnny, ok, uninstalling gdm and installing xdm
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| 12:57 | <Nubae> hmmm... well then its damn interesting
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| 12:57 | <johnny> don't know if their stuff does
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| 12:57 | juanpaul, i didn't say that
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| 12:57 | you do need xdm is all i'm saying
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| 12:58 | doesn't mean you need to uninstall gdm
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| 12:58 | <Nubae> for 5-10 client setups it would be amazing...
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| 12:58 | <johnny> Gadi, there's a patch in ldm specifically for gentoo, to match the hacks for other locations for other distros
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| 12:59 | juanpaul, i'll be in and out, it is my work day
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| 12:59 | so don't expect instant responses
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| 12:59 | but i will be around at various times, so you should probably idle in this room until we get it worked out
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| 13:00 | <Nubae> still the hardware vendors only mention multiple monitors on one system... but it could be tested easy enough
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| 13:00 | <juanpaul> johnny, ok, no problem
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| 13:00 | <johnny> Nubae, gimme the system with 30 usb ports :)
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| 13:00 | :)
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| 13:01 | Nubae, i've seen how flexible udev is.. so i'm sure amazing feats are possible
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| 13:01 | juanpaul, got xdm yet?
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| 13:01 | * johnny anxious to know what happens | |
| 13:02 | <Nubae> hmmm... how come this is the first I've ever heard of this... its not mentioned anywhere... and seems so simple
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| 13:02 | <Nubae> and they mention wireless usb!! now that would be cool
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| 13:02 | <johnny> wireless usb is happening..
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| 13:03 | nice patches coming into the kernel to control security of such external devices
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| 13:03 | initially brought about by wireless usb necessities for controlling what you can and can't hook up to the system
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| 13:03 | <Nubae> so totally wireless thin terminals for almost no cost... the mind boggles
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| 13:03 | <juanpaul> johnny, it's compiling (it's a Celeron 500...). I'm installing xdm-1.1.6
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| 13:03 | <johnny> Nubae, don't forget about the batteries
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| 13:03 | i wouldn't use wireless keyboards
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| 13:04 | or mice
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| 13:04 | <Nubae> I can sell this to OLPC :-)
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| 13:04 | they've been against ltsp because of the wired aspect
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| 13:04 | <johnny> the price point isn't there yet for the wireless usb
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| 13:04 | <Nubae> true
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| 13:04 | <johnny> eventually yes.. just not now
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| 13:04 | <juanpaul> johnny, WoW great, it's working.
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| 13:04 | <johnny> juanpaul, i'll update my ebuilds later today
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| 13:04 | <Nubae> still, if the terminals are next to each other, being able to dump ethernet is a good selling point
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| 13:05 | do you know anyone who has tried that kind of setup johnny?
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| 13:05 | <johnny> wait.. then pxe won't work
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| 13:05 | i didn't notice you say anything about the network being wireless..
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| 13:05 | juanpaul, so.. you're logged into gnome and editing stuff?
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| 13:05 | or doing stuff?
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| 13:08 | <juanpaul> johnny, i'm get logged into my gnome session. It's working like i've running the programs on the server. Now, lets set lts.conf
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| 13:10 | <johnny> set lts.conf for what
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| 13:11 | you're about to expose something :)
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| 13:11 | none of the X_ stuff except X_CONF works
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| 13:11 | cuz the configure-x script keeps crashing
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| 13:11 | so CONFIGURE_X defaults to off for now
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| 13:11 | you're venturing into more uncharted territory.. past where even i've gone :)
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| 13:12 | i've only tested a few parameters
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| 13:12 | dberkholz, looks like stuff works :)
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| 13:13 | so.. i guess soon i'll keyword this stuff ~x86 then :)
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| 13:13 | <juanpaul> johnny, i need to lower the screen resolution (my monitor isn't DPMS capable)
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| 13:14 | <johnny> uhmm... that's not supported atm
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| 13:14 | unless you can figure out why the configure-x crashes
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| 13:14 | you can force enable it by setting CONFIGURE_X=T
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| 13:15 | right now it defaults to using xorg's own config generation
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| 13:15 | dberkholz, so.. we have success
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| 13:15 | juanpaul, i updated the ltsp-server ebuild to require xdm
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| 13:18 | <juanpaul> johnny, sorry. English isn't my native tongue. Are you saying that the lts.conf have being ignored by the ltsp client?
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| 13:24 | <johnny> no.. saying that all the X_ stuff will be ignored
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| 13:25 | <juanpaul> johnny, so i can pass this option 'X_MODE_0 = 800x600' with 'CONFIGURE_X_MODE_0 = 800x600'
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| 13:30 | <cvergara> hi
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| 13:30 | i have an issue with local devices in ltsp 4.2, i think i checked all parameters in troubleshooting but nothing happen
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| 13:31 | when I put an usb disk, icon appears but nothing are inthere
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| 13:32 | somebody?
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| 13:33 | <Gadi> cvergara: is the user a member of the "fuse" group?
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| 13:34 | <cvergara> yes
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| 13:34 | <Gadi> is the "fuse" module loaded on the server: lsmod|grep fuse
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| 13:34 | <cvergara> in xterm right?
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| 13:34 | <Gadi> yes
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| 13:35 | on the server
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| 13:35 | or through your session
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| 13:35 | <cvergara> yes, its loaded
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| 13:35 | <johnny> juanpaul, no.. you can't
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| 13:35 | juanpaul, they don't work unless you can make CONFIGURE_X itself work
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| 13:35 | <Gadi> cvergara: do you have ltspfs installed?
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| 13:35 | <johnny> you can see if it crashes your thin client like it did mine by CONFIGURE_X=T
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| 13:35 | <cvergara> yes I have
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| 13:35 | <johnny> but that option is required for the X_ variables to work
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| 13:35 | <Gadi> is it a partitioned USB drive?
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| 13:36 | <cvergara> yes, it is
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| 13:36 | <Gadi> ie, does it have a single FAT partition?
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| 13:36 | <johnny> juanpaul, it's two seperate parameters
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| 13:36 | <cvergara> yes, it worked directly plugged into server
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| 13:36 | <johnny> CONFIGURE_X=T
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| 13:36 | X_MODE=yourmode
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| 13:36 | <Gadi> cvergara: that doesnt mean its a partitoned USB drive
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| 13:36 | do this:
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| 13:37 | <juanpaul> johnny, ok. changed the lts.conf. Let's see if its work
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| 13:37 | <Gadi> plug it into the server, open a terminal window on the server, run dmes
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| 13:37 | make note of the sd device letter (sdc, for example)
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| 13:37 | and then do: fdisk -l /dev/sdc
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| 13:37 | that should tell you how it is partitioned
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| 13:37 | (or if it is)
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| 13:38 | <cvergara> yes, device is /dev/sdc, it has only 1 partition /dev/sdc1, and its a fat16
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| 13:38 | <johnny> Gadi, what should i do if have a like 4 different floppies showing up on my desktop
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| 13:38 | it keeps showing fake floppies :)
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| 13:38 | and they keep adding up
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| 13:38 | <Gadi> johnny: there's a launchpad bug about that, I think
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| 13:39 | <johnny> Gadi, for hardy?
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> quick and dirty: don't make volumes_visible
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| 13:39 | yeah
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| 13:39 | <johnny> Gadi, i guess i'm lucky in that i have two different ltsp distros to worry about..
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| 13:39 | or not..
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| 13:39 | :)
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> join the club
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| 13:39 | :)
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| 13:39 | <johnny> at least the gentoo port works mostly :)
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| 13:40 | <Gadi> kudos
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| 13:40 | <johnny> going to try to firm it up at the hackfest
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| 13:40 | <Gadi> cool
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| 13:41 | <cvergara> Gadi, what more else can I try?
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| 13:41 | <Gadi> cvergara: is it a non-Latin alphabet (the files on the drive)?
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| 13:42 | <cvergara> no, all files are in latin aphabet
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| 13:42 | <Gadi> hmm...
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| 13:42 | grep DISPLAY /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter
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| 13:42 | <cvergara> wait, I'll try something
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| 13:42 | ok
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| 13:42 | with usb plugged?
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| 13:43 | <Gadi> doesnt matter
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| 13:43 | but from an xterm
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| 13:43 | if you have a line like "localhost:10", comment that out
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| 13:43 | <cvergara> damn... an error
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| 13:44 | It says that doesn't exist..
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| 13:44 | <Gadi> really?
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| 13:44 | <cvergara> yes
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| 13:44 | <Gadi> on the server?
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| 13:44 | dpkg -l ltspfs
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| 13:44 | <cvergara> xterm
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| 13:45 | <Gadi> on Ubuntu/debian?
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| 13:45 | <cvergara> rpm -qa |grep '*ltspfs*'
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| 13:45 | <Gadi> ah, fedora?
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| 13:45 | <cvergara> red hat
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| 13:45 | the same
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| 13:45 | <Gadi> can you list the files in that rpm?
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| 13:45 | <cvergara> omg, not installed omg! :S how...
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| 13:45 | <Gadi> and look for ltspfsmounter
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| 13:46 | <cvergara> usb disc worked on another sessions... how can it be...
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| 13:46 | ?
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| 13:47 | * Gadi shrugs | |
| 13:47 | <Gadi> pixie dust?
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| 13:48 | <cvergara> Gadi, when i logged into client as root, i can perfectly use usb disk
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| 13:48 | i just discovered that
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| 13:49 | <Gadi> try this:
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| 13:49 | as root:
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| 13:50 | chmod +s /usr/bin/fusemount
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| 13:50 | chmod 666 /dev/fuse
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| 13:50 | then log in as a normal user
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| 13:51 | <cvergara> IT WORKS!
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| 13:51 | :)
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| 13:51 | thanks Gadi
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| 13:51 | <Gadi> cvergara: you will need to edit a udev rule to make the /dev/fuse perms permenant
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| 13:51 | I will leave that as an exercise for the reader
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| 13:51 | :)
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| 13:51 | <cvergara> hah
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| 13:52 | ok, thanks
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| 13:52 | <Gadi> np
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| 13:53 | <cliebow> GADI ROCKS!!!
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| 13:55 | and to all a good night..
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| 14:37 | <jammcq> !seen sbalneav
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| 14:37 | <ltspbot> jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 5 weeks, 3 days, 3 hours, 52 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <sbalneav> I did a glibc rewrite of it.
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| 14:39 | <jammcq> hey vagrantc
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| 14:40 | <johnny> vagrantc, ?
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| 14:40 | <vagrantc> johnny: haven't seen sbalneav in ages
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| 14:40 | <johnny> truly
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| 14:41 | but he's still gonna be at the hackfest?
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| 14:43 | <dberkholz> johnny: cool! i'm definitely planning to review it intensively @ hackfest too
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| 14:44 | <elwell642> Hi all. I'm trying to get local devices working on our Ubuntu thin clients. I found the page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev and followed the steps up until it tells me to write to y'all :) The error I'm getting when I manually issue a mount command is this: /dev/fuse not writable
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| 14:45 | <Gadi> elwell642: LTSP5? 4.2?
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| 14:45 | <elwell642> 5.0
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| 14:45 | <vagrantc> elwell642: ls -l /dev/fuse
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| 14:46 | <Gadi> make sure your user is a member of the "fuse" group
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| 14:46 | <elwell642> crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 2008-06-04 10:40 /dev/fuse
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| 14:46 | I am
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| 14:46 | <Gadi> ls -l /usr/bin/fusermount
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| 14:46 | <elwell642> ls: cannot access /usr/bin/fusermount: No such file or directory
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| 14:47 | <Gadi> hmm..
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| 14:47 | ah, nm
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| 14:47 | <elwell642> I noticed on that page that I didn't have ltspfs installed
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| 14:47 | So I installed it
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| 14:47 | <Gadi> is it installed now?
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| 14:47 | good
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| 14:47 | <elwell642> And recreated the image just to be safe :)
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| 14:47 | <Gadi> when you open a terminal as the user and type: id
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| 14:47 | what do you get?
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| 14:48 | <elwell642> uid=537(hallmant) gid=537(hallmant) groups=100(users),118(fuse),502(web),537(hallmant),553(admin),554(vmware),557(cvs),584(info),1001(ssh-users)
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| 14:48 | So fuse is on
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| 14:48 | hallmant, as you might imagine, is me
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| 14:49 | <Gadi> well, thats weird
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| 14:50 | how do you get the /dev/fuse not writable error?
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| 14:50 | <hallmant> I ran the last command on that webpage...ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.0.254 192.168.0.254 "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /tmp add"
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| 14:50 | Except I substituted my server's IP
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| 14:51 | <hallmant> I checked dmesg on the client side, and it's seeing my usb device just fine
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| 14:54 | When I go to /var/run/ltspfs_fstab, it sees my floppy and usb device
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| 14:54 | (again, on the client)
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| 14:54 | <Gadi> and you were logged in as hallmant thru ldm at the time?
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| 14:54 | <hallmant> yup
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| 14:55 | <Gadi> on the server, can you check the contents of /media/hallmant
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| 14:55 | ?
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| 14:56 | <hallmant> Hmmm... there is no /media/hallmant
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| 14:56 | just /media/cdrom
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| 14:56 | <Gadi> how about /tmp/.hallmant-ltspfs
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| 14:56 | <hallmant> That doesn't exist either
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| 14:56 | (I have /tmp tho :))
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| 14:57 | <Gadi> has the server been rebooted since you installed ltspfs?
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| 14:57 | <hallmant> no
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| 14:57 | <Gadi> go ahead and give it a reboot, if you can
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| 14:58 | <hallmant> Is there a particular daemon I could restart instead? I have a number of users on it right now :-/
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| 14:58 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 14:58 | hmm..
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| 14:58 | try: lsmod|grep fuse
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| 14:58 | is fuse loaded?
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| 14:58 | <hallmant> yup
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| 14:58 | <Gadi> sudo modprobe -r fuse
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| 14:58 | <hallmant> done
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| 14:59 | <Gadi> lsmod|grep fuse
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| 14:59 | gone?
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| 14:59 | <hallmant> yup!
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| 14:59 | <Gadi> sudo modprobe fuse
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| 14:59 | <hallmant> k. It's back
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| 15:00 | <Gadi> try that command from the client again
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| 15:00 | <hallmant> No dice :-/
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| 15:00 | Same error
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| 15:01 | I could try a reboot... I'd just have to politely ask a number of folks to take a coffee break
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| 15:01 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 15:01 | if you could
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| 15:01 | I think it would clear things up
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| 15:01 | <hallmant> Okay. I'll come back either way and let ya know!
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| 15:02 | thanks. brb
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| 15:03 | <Gadi> anybody know what console fonts whiptail uses to draw lines?
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| 15:08 | nm - it was bad char encoding
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| 15:08 | *sigh*
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| 15:13 | <Gadi> sbalneav!!!
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| 15:13 | <sbalneav> Afternoon all
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| 15:13 | <Gadi> !s
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| 15:13 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 15:13 | <sbalneav> Hey gadi, hear yoy
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| 15:13 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 15:13 | <sbalneav> hear you're looking for me
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| 15:13 | <Gadi> indeed - quick qu
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| 15:14 | remember you had an issue with the trident vid driver where it would kill the USB mouse?
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| 15:14 | <sbalneav> yes!
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| 15:14 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: heya!
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| 15:14 | <Gadi> ever fix it?
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| 15:15 | <elwell642> Hi again... sorry, Gadi... still not working :(
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| 15:15 | <sbalneav> No, I narrowed it down to something in the kernel, but it was most annoying. I couldn't EVER get it to repeat reliable.
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| 15:15 | <Gadi> elwell642: :(
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| 15:15 | sbalneav: I find it happens on certain websites
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| 15:15 | <sbalneav> it would go for days without a problem, then hang up 3 times in one day.
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| 15:15 | <elwell642> I still don't have a /media/hallmant
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| 15:15 | <Gadi> it is completely usage-related
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| 15:15 | <sbalneav> It would actually COMPLETELY hose the USB interface.
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| 15:16 | * Gadi nods | |
| 15:16 | <Gadi> hallmant: same error?
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| 15:16 | <sbalneav> Even if you killed udev, manually unloaded all the USB drivers, and restarted udev, it didn't even see that the USB interface was in the machine anymore.
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| 15:16 | <Gadi> sbalneav: a switch to vesa driver seems to clean it up
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| 15:17 | so, its definitely the driver
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| 15:17 | it sounds to me like it is writing to a place in memory it should not
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| 15:17 | <sbalneav> It must be something really whacky, to completely knock out the USB device
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| 15:17 | agreed
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| 15:17 | <Gadi> like the place that holds the USB interface info
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| 15:17 | :)
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| 15:17 | <hallmant> Gadi: Same
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| 15:18 | <sbalneav> I never liked video cards that used systems memory, for that exact reason.
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| 15:18 | <Gadi> btw: hallmant is having localdev issues, where it claims his /dev/fuse is not writable when it is
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| 15:18 | (ltspfsmounter croaks)
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| 15:19 | <hallmant> I followed all the steps on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev, and that led me here
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| 15:19 | <Gadi> hallmant: can you: grep DISPLAY /usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter
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| 15:19 | tell me if you have any localhost:10 lines in there...
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| 15:19 | :)
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| 15:20 | <sbalneav> hallmant: ls -l /dev/fuse, and then in a shell window, do an "id"
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| 15:20 | <hallmant> Gadi: that command didn't yield anything
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| 15:21 | <Gadi> good
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> well, non-existant things aren't writeable :)
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| 15:21 | <hallmant> sbalneav: crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 2008-06-16 16:09 /dev/fuse
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| 15:22 | sbalneav: uid=537(hallmant) gid=537(hallmant) groups=100(users),118(fuse),502(web),537(hallmant),553(admin),554(vmware),557(cvs),584(info),1001(ssh-users)
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| 15:22 | * vagrantc wonders what version of ltspfs is installed on the server | |
| 15:22 | <hallmant> I just used apt-get to get it... (on Hardy)
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| 15:23 | <sbalneav> jammcq: BTW: http://www.cups.org/str.php?L2831
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| 15:23 | That was the cups bug I fixed.
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| 15:23 | <hallmant> 0.5.0~bzr20080109-3ubuntu2
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| 15:23 | I don't know if this matters, but my server is a amd64 arch while the clients are i386s
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| 15:24 | <sbalneav> Shouldn't. I notice you've got a VMWARE group. You haven't got a virtual server, do you?
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| 15:24 | <hallmant> Not on this machine
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| 15:25 | I get the group stuff from LDAP. I run vms on other servers which also uses that LDAP info
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| 15:25 | <sbalneav> getent group fuse
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| 15:25 | then grep fuse /etc/group
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| 15:25 | <hallmant> I'm in the fuse group...
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| 15:26 | <sbalneav> fuse is 107 on my hardy install
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| 15:26 | yours is listing 118
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| 15:26 | maybe you've got one fuse in /etc/group, and one in LDAP, on different numbers.
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| 15:26 | <hallmant> Ahhhh
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| 15:26 | Indeed... it does look that way
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| 15:27 | <sbalneav> That's the problem then.
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| 15:29 | <sbalneav> Depending on your use case, you might want to:
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| 15:29 | a) modify the local /etc/group to match ldap
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| 15:29 | b) modify your udev rules to set mode of 0666 on fuse.
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| 15:30 | <hallmant> sbalneav: I just tried (a). I'll logout and back in to see if this works
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| 15:30 | brb
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| 15:35 | <johnny> whoa.. sbalneav welcome..
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| 15:35 | <jammcq> sbalneav: wow, you just jump in and get right to work :)
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| 15:36 | <johnny> sbalneav, while you were gone, i ported ltsp5 to another distro
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| 15:36 | <sbalneav> Cool, which one?
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| 15:36 | <johnny> gentoo
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| 15:37 | had first person testing it yesterday/today
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| 15:37 | other than me that is
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| 15:37 | <sbalneav> Ah, nice, gentoo needs it, since I think it's still a 4.2
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| 15:37 | <johnny> yes
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| 15:37 | <sbalneav> Any patches needed?
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| 15:37 | <johnny> only 1
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| 15:37 | and it's integrated into ldm already
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| 15:37 | <hallmant> sbalneav: Unfortunately I'm still at the same spot...
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| 15:38 | <johnny> i need to get my build-client plugin merged after dberkholz takes a look
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| 15:38 | we'll prolly get around to it at the hackfest
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| 15:38 | <sbalneav> hallmant: ok, did you restart the whole machine, or just log out/in?
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| 15:39 | <hallmant> sbalneav: I just logged out and back in
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| 15:39 | Should I need to reboot?
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| 15:39 | <sbalneav> Yeah, because it picked that up during the fuse kernel driver install.
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| 15:39 | you could just unload the fuse driver
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| 15:39 | rmmod fuse/modprobe fuse
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| 15:40 | that should recreate the node with the right perms
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| 15:40 | Of course, if something's using fuse, then you won't be able to rmmod
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| 15:40 | <hallmant> hmmm... well here's a promising sign... it yells at me when I try to rmmod fuse as.... yeah that
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| 15:40 | Okay... I'll try a reboot
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| 15:53 | <x86> I'm trying to make it so KDM _only_ gives KDE as a session option for users... I'm running Debian Etch, any ideas?
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| 15:53 | it's defaulting to GNOME, even though I no longer have that installed
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| 15:54 | <sbalneav> Probably something in /etc/alternatives
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| 15:55 | <x86> those are all binary files?
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| 15:55 | <hallmant> Hi all! We're making progress...
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| 15:55 | <sbalneav> what does /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --list x-session-manager give you?
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| 15:56 | <hallmant> Now I'm getting Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE
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| 15:56 | (cont.) -1 Key Cannot open X display
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| 15:56 | <x86> sbalneav: "gnome-session" and "startkde"
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| 15:57 | <hallmant> Error: /tmp/.hallmant-ltspfs/tmp is not mounted
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| 15:57 | <sbalneav> update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
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| 15:57 | and select the startkde
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| 15:57 | <x86> sbalneav: --remove x-session-manager /usr/bin/gnome-session got rid of that :)
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| 15:58 | <vagrantc> we switched to using .desktop files to determine which sessions are available.
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| 15:58 | but the alternatives will still set the default
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| 15:58 | <x86> I want system-wide, no alternatives allowed
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| 15:58 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: I think he's using kdm he said
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| 15:58 | <x86> indeed I am
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| 15:58 | <vagrantc> and ltsp 4.x ?
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| 15:59 | <sbalneav> hallmant: not sure what command you're typing to get that output. What happens if you just plug something in?
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| 16:00 | <x86> sbalneav: didn't work, GNOME is still an option
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| 16:01 | <sbalneav> did you do the --config?
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| 16:01 | <x86> after I did --remove /usr/bin/gnome-session
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| 16:01 | <sbalneav> Maybe you have to restart kdm
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| 16:01 | <x86> it said only one choice, nothing to configure when I did --config
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| 16:01 | did that too
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| 16:01 | <hallmant> sbalneav: sorry about that. I'd typed this command: ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.0.254 192.168.0.254 "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /tmp add" (using my server's ip instead.) I found that on this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 16:02 | <sbalneav> then "man kdm" and start readin :)
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| 16:02 | <hallmant> Nothing seems to happen when I plug something in
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| 16:02 | <x86> sbalneav: that's no help :(
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| 16:03 | <sbalneav> I don't use kdm, so I don't know where it's config files are.
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| 16:03 | /etc/X11/kdm or /etc/kdm, perhaps?
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| 16:04 | <x86> yeah no mention of GNOME in there at all
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| 16:04 | <sbalneav> did you do a dpkg-reconfigure kdm?
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| 16:05 | <x86> hmm nope
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| 16:05 | what's that do?
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| 16:05 | <ogra> !s
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| 16:05 | <ltspbot> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 16:05 | <ogra> x86, setting the system default DM
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| 16:05 | x86, note that ltsp5 doesnt actually care or fully support XDMCP
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| 16:06 | <sbalneav> Supposed to reconfigure kdm. google tells me that it should re-ask you the default window manager
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| 16:06 | hey ogra
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| 16:06 | <x86> ogra: what does LTSP use?
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| 16:06 | <sbalneav> he's using kdm on an older install, I think.
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| 16:06 | <x86> sbalneav: it didn't ask anything
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| 16:06 | brand new install
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| 16:06 | debian etch
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| 16:06 | haven't gotten to the LTSP part yet
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| 16:06 | <ogra> x86, by default it uses ldm which is kind of a graphical ssh client
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| 16:07 | <x86> hmm
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| 16:07 | <ogra> all features (i.e. localdev and sound ) are developed towards it
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| 16:07 | <x86> my thin clients only support RDC, citrix, and XDMCP
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| 16:07 | don't care about local devices nor sound
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| 16:07 | <ogra> using XDMCP means you will lose these features or have to implement them yourself
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| 16:17 | <hallmant> sbalneav: do you have further thoughts for what might be wrong with my local devs?
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| 16:18 | <ogra> hallmant, are you sue you dont see the devices in /media/$USER ? (if youre logged in through a ltsp client
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| 16:18 | <hallmant> Yeah... media only contains cdrom
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| 16:19 | (and cdrom0, but it's just the symlink from cdrom)
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| 16:19 | <hallmant> The client is definitely seeing the device... dmesg tells me so
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| 16:20 | <ogra> what releae is that ?
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| 16:20 | <hallmant> Of what?
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| 16:20 | <ogra> (and distro)
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| 16:20 | <hallmant> I'm using Ubuntu Hardy and LTSP 5
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| 16:22 | <ogra> hmm, that should just work
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| 16:22 | did yo apply all updates ?
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| 16:22 | *you
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| 16:22 | <hallmant> Yup
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| 16:22 | I went through the steps of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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| 16:22 | And I noticed that I didn't have ltspfs installed, so I did that
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| 16:23 | <ogra> well, that shouldnt be needed, did you create an lts.conf file ?
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| 16:23 | <hallmant> And then Scott pointed out that I was grabbing the fuse group locally when I really needed my LDAP settings. So I removed the local group and it was looking better, but it's still not working
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| 16:24 | I did... but the only special stuff in there is for some dual monitor config
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| 16:24 | <sbalneav> I'll pop in later tonight. Off home for the day.
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| 16:25 | <hallmant> Yeah... I gotta take off too :-/ I'll stop by again tomorrow morning. Thanks for all your help, folks
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| 16:25 | <Gadi> hallmant: I would have kept the local user and dumped the LDAP user
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| 16:25 | <hallmant> Gadi: Well, I'd love to, but the organization is using LDAP for just about everything
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| 16:26 | <Gadi> *somebody* put fuse into LDAP
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| 16:26 | somebody should take it out
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| 16:26 | :)
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| 16:26 | <ogra> :)
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| 16:26 | <Gadi> unless you have a user named fuse
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| 16:26 | :)
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| 16:27 | <hallmant> haha right... well we were running a Debian server (with LTSP 4.2) for a while and it all worked fine there. So we were hoping to get it working on Ubuntu too
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| 16:27 | <Gadi> you will need to take a look at every file that fuse installed
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| 16:27 | and change its ownership to your LDAP's fuse now
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| 16:27 | <hallmant> ohhh
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| 16:27 | That's true
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| 16:27 | <Gadi> so, its up to you
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| 16:27 | :)
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| 16:28 | * ogra would like to point out that this is not ubuntu specfic :) | |
| 16:28 | <hallmant> Hmmm... is there an easy way to get that list of files?
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| 16:28 | <Gadi> dpkg -L fuse
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| 16:28 | er
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| 16:28 | dpkg -L libfuse2
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| 16:29 | dpkg -L fuse-utils
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| 16:29 | <ogra> fuse-utils ?
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| 16:30 | <Gadi> alternatively, make a note (before you forget) of the local fuse's uid
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| 16:30 | er, gid
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| 16:30 | :)
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| 16:30 | just in case you change ur mind and add him back in
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| 16:30 | ;)
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| 16:30 | <hallmant> Yeah :) I thought of that, thankfully!
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| 16:30 | Thanks guys. I'll try again in the mornin' and let you know how it turns out.
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| 16:30 | <Gadi> system groups in LDAP is BAD
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| 16:31 | <hallmant> Oh yeah?
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| 16:31 | <Gadi> yup
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| 16:31 | <hallmant> Why's that? (I'll pass it along)
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| 16:31 | <Gadi> keep your system groups local
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| 16:31 | * hallmant is the newbie here :) | |
| 16:31 | <Gadi> there is no standard for gids for system groups
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| 16:31 | most packages just use the next available one
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| 16:31 | <Gadi> when they are installed
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| 16:32 | so one machine will have different system groups than another
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| 16:32 | <hallmant> Hmmm
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| 16:32 | Makes sense
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| 16:32 | <Gadi> thats why you have different ids for your two fuses
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| 16:33 | <hallmant> Couldn't I just remove the local ones like I did in this case though?
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| 16:33 | (that is, why do gids matter?)
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| 16:33 | <Gadi> ...if you chown every file that had its id - yeah
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| 16:33 | <hallmant> point taken :)
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| 16:33 | <Gadi> files are never owned by "fuse"
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| 16:33 | they are owned by id number "118"
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| 16:34 | and 118 is translated to fuse for your benefit when displayed
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| 16:34 | <Nubae> in my ldap, stupid group names reverted to gids, so user john was suddenl 1100
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| 16:34 | <Gadi> if your ldap fuse is 1234
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| 16:34 | your file has no idea that it should be owned by 1234
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| 16:34 | unless you chown it again
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| 16:34 | <hallmant> But it seems like the downside of that is that I have to add a user to each machine rather than centrally. Though I guess that's pretty normal, huh?
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| 16:35 | (Not how it's generally done here.)
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| 16:35 | <Gadi> no - system users are added by the packages that need them
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| 16:35 | you would have to add your LDAP users to the local system fuse group
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| 16:36 | <Gadi> or you can bypass the whole group methodology by making /dev/fuse 666
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| 16:36 | * hallmant takes notes | |
| 16:36 | <Gadi> (ie world writable)
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| 16:36 | <hallmant> right
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| 16:36 | <Gadi> and setuid fusermount
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| 16:36 | but, that undermines ubuntu's methodology of using groups to control access
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| 16:36 | <hallmant> right
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| 16:36 | <Gadi> which is why they dont do that
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| 16:36 | <hallmant> thanks much Gadi!
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| 16:36 | <Gadi> np
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| 16:36 | <hallmant> I might be back with more questions, but this is great stuff
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| 16:36 | * ogra raises finger ... | |
| 16:37 | <ogra> * debians methodology
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| 16:37 | <Gadi> hehe
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| 16:37 | <hallmant> hehe
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| 16:37 | <Gadi> ogra passes the buck
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| 16:37 | :)
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| 16:37 | <ogra> :)
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| 16:37 | <hallmant> see y'all. Thanks again
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| 16:37 | <Gadi> cya
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| 16:37 | <ogra> ciao
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| 16:37 | * Gadi has no clue how -er -Debian plans on handling LDAP users in the future | |
| 16:37 | <Gadi> :)
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| 16:38 | but, I sppose we'll have to wait for *vagrantc* to come up with something
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| 16:38 | :P
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| 16:38 | <ogra> *grin*
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| 16:44 | <jammcq> !seen sbalneav
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| 16:44 | <ltspbot> jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 19 minutes and 19 seconds ago: <sbalneav> I'll pop in later tonight. Off home for the day.
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| 16:44 | <jammcq> yeah, much better :)
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| 17:31 | <vagrantc> i think we should implement LDAP group IDs with beads.
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| 18:13 | <a1fa_> yo
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| 18:14 | any hardware recommendations?
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| 18:14 | as in stand alone terminals? i remember seing one based on alix not too long ago
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| 18:23 | <Lns> a1fa_, "stand alone terminals" ...? You mean thin-clients or no ?
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| 18:35 | <Lns> Q-FUNK, any update on the geode fun? =)
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| 18:36 | <Q-FUNK> such as?
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| 18:36 | <Lns> Such as not being able to boot into X
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| 18:36 | <Q-FUNK> well, intrepid has newer packages for both -nsc and -geode, which fixes some PCI ID conflicts.
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| 18:37 | <Lns> aha... do you think that's what was causing my issues?
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| 18:37 | <Q-FUNK> but -geode in my PPA should already work for any LX product
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| 18:38 | <Lns> I'm just banging my head because these Koolus were supposed to be ubuntu compatible and I've had nothing but issues with them
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| 18:39 | I can't even get LDM (or a tty for that matter)
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| 18:40 | stupid rms heh
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| 18:44 | <Q-FUNK> they should indeed work with what's in my PPA, as long as you purge the -amd package after upgrading
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| 18:47 | <Lns> Q-FUNK, so after upgrading to your PPA packages in the chroot I have to apt-get --purge remove the -amd package?
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| 18:47 | <Q-FUNK> yup
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| 18:47 | <Lns> wow well I didn't know THAT... =p
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| 18:47 | <Q-FUNK> then rebuild the boot images
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| 18:48 | -amd has just become a transitional package that pulls -geode
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| 18:48 | <Lns> gotcha...
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| 18:52 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 18:53 | lenny doesn't like my disklessworkstations thin-client + the LCD monitor ...
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| 18:53 | <Q-FUNK> and it will soon be removed, now that Hardy is released and everyone is presumed to have upgrade from -amd to -geode
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| 18:53 | <vagrantc> but i'm actually in position to finally close the usb floppy bug :)
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| 18:54 | <Q-FUNK> :)
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| 19:55 | <vagrantc> hrm. apparently external usb hard drives aren't considered removable...
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| 22:12 | <a1fa_> Lns: yes thin clients
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| 22:13 | i need something up to $100
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| 22:44 | <a1fa_> can anyone recommend a good thin client
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| 22:45 | <johnny> i'm just using old pcs
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| 22:45 | so not really
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| 22:46 | this is not the best time for such information
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| 22:46 | <a1fa_> :)
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| 22:46 | whats a good time
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| 22:48 | <johnny> best time is somewhere between 1100 GMT and 2300 GMT
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| 22:49 | <a1fa_> i'll try next time
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| 22:49 | :o
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| 22:49 | currently i am using an old laptop
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| 22:50 | but i'd love something fanless that can be turned on and off
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| 22:50 | <johnny> does anybody sell a thin client for less than 100 that can do what you need?
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| 22:50 | <a1fa_> in a nsap
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| 22:50 | i dont need cdrom, floppy and etc
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| 22:50 | <johnny> well.. fanless it could be.. but run your apps.. ?
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| 22:50 | <a1fa_> i thought apps would be run on the server
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| 22:50 | <johnny> depends..
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| 22:51 | flash is not friendly over the network :(
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| 22:51 | <a1fa_> really?
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| 22:51 | what kind of symptoms?
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| 22:51 | <johnny> choppy video :)
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| 22:51 | high memory load on the server
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| 22:51 | err high cpu load
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| 22:51 | lots of memory being used :)
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| 22:51 | but that's flash in general :)
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| 22:51 | lol
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| 22:52 | if you disable hardware accel, it might work better
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| 22:52 | but sadly there's no way you can distrube that change
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| 22:52 | it comes from their server
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| 22:52 | distribute*
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| 22:52 | so you can just preset it in a config file for your users!
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| 22:52 | can't*
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| 22:52 | uggh.. not a good typing night
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| 22:52 | <a1fa_> i was not planning on streaming flash :P
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| 22:52 | would 266 mhz be good?
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| 22:52 | <johnny> uhmm..
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| 22:53 | <a1fa_> hehe
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| 22:53 | <johnny> you should check out the specs of some of the well known thin clients before deciding on that..
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| 22:53 | <a1fa_> how about 1Ghz
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| 22:53 | <johnny> how's your server?
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| 22:53 | <a1fa_> it runs mythbuntu
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| 22:53 | allready
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| 22:54 | 22:53:51 up 2 days, 23:34, 2 users, load average: 1.53, 1.55, 1.53
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| 22:54 | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+
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| 22:54 | Mem: 2595928k total, 2524648k used, 71280k free, 15328k buffers
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| 22:54 | i can probably soup it up a bit
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| 22:55 | 4gb of ram*
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| 22:55 | <johnny> well, it just depends on what your users are using
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| 22:55 | <a1fa_> openoffice
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| 22:55 | <johnny> how many users?
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| 22:55 | <a1fa_> two computers running open office
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| 22:55 | just two
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| 22:55 | <johnny> two.. you'd prolly be ok :)
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| 22:55 | openoffice can easily stomp out your memory
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| 22:55 | due to the way they use pixmaps in X
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| 22:56 | it's alot better now, if you're using 2.4
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| 22:56 | so, that sounds ok
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| 22:57 | havent had a problem with openoffice at our location so far
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| 22:58 | <a1fa_> how many desktops on what kind of server?
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| 22:58 | <johnny> uhmm
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| 22:59 | 4 clients, same proc as yours
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| 22:59 | 2 gb ram
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| 22:59 | but it also does our POS and plays music in the store
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| 22:59 | they won't let me make the POS machine a thin client yet
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| 22:59 | <a1fa_> any issues so far?
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| 22:59 | <johnny> a few
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| 22:59 | don't have flash working properly yet
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| 22:59 | too choppy
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| 23:00 | <a1fa_> i wonder how many people you can load on a quad-core with 8gb of ram
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| 23:00 | <johnny> folks around here would know
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| 23:00 | just not me :)
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| 23:00 | i can't afford such luxuries
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| 23:00 | <a1fa_> ;P
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| 23:00 | <johnny> we're just a small collectively run bookstore coffeehouse
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| 23:00 | also poor :)
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| 23:01 | <a1fa_> eh
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| 23:01 | its ok :)
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| 23:01 | where @?
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| 23:02 | <johnny> baltimore, md , usa
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| 23:02 | we also have our own open source point of sale software
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| 23:02 | mostly book inventory focused tho
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| 23:02 | but we sell stuff too
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| 23:02 | other stuff*
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| 23:02 | like coffee and food
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| 23:03 | <a1fa_> cool
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| 23:03 | thats nice that you guys share that
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| 23:05 | <johnny> yeah.. we use ubuntu with ltsp there
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| 23:05 | openwrt distro for our public wifi
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| 23:05 | trying to setup a paid printing system at some point
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| 23:07 | <a1fa_> interesting
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| 23:08 | i wonder how windows terminal server copes with flash
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| 23:10 | <johnny> that works totally differently tho
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| 23:10 | plus it uses rdp
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| 23:11 | <a1fa_> it loads windows ce then it uses rdp?
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| 23:11 | is that how that POS works?
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| 23:12 | <johnny> huh?
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| 23:12 | <johnny> i dont use windows
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| 23:13 | <a1fa_> no i mean windows terminals
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| 23:13 | <johnny> oh.. a windows thin client
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| 23:13 | that's one way they could work
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| 23:13 | people use it with ltsp tho
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| 23:14 | <a1fa_> coo
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