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Channel log from 9 August 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 08:12 | <vagrantc> !seen nubae
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| 08:12 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: nubae was last seen in #ltsp 4 days, 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <nubae> sure
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| 08:12 | <vagrantc> hrm.
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| 10:04 | <fasaxc> Hi, I'm using a 32bit LTSP client to connect to an AMD64 server under Ubuntu (Jaunty). When I browse to certain websites that use Flash in Firefox on the client the connection seems to get dropped (I'm using the adobe flash plugin). (Mouse moves on the client but can't interact with windows etc.) I have to reset the machine to make progress. Any ideas what the cause could be or how to fix?
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| 10:52 | <ace_suares1> sbalneav: back from vacation?
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| 11:53 | <atomic007za> vagrantc: you in?
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| 11:55 | anyone know how to upgrade chroot in 9.04? I have been to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot
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| 11:56 | <johnny> most people don't upgrade chroots
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| 11:56 | unless they have customizations in there
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| 11:56 | <atomic007za> which helped me ungrade the i386 version but now running a 64 bit.
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| 11:56 | hi Jonny
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| 11:56 | <johnny> they just scratch it and start over
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| 11:57 | <atomic007za> is it not good practice to do this?
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| 11:57 | as updates come out and does not get forwarded to the ltsp client?
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| 11:57 | <johnny> Note for upgrading across releases: If you have upgraded the LTSP server to a new release (such as Hardy -> Intrepid), it is recommended to build a new client chroot from scratch (you must also re-install any packages you had installed previously.), as the ltsp-build-client script does things a normal apt-get upgrade will not. You can do this (including a backup) by following commands:
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| 11:57 | that is what it says right in that document
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| 11:58 | you do need to use --arch i386 to build it for 32bit tho
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| 11:59 | <atomic007za> I am using the 64 bit, would it be --arch 64?
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| 11:59 | <johnny> for clients?
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| 12:00 | if you're using 64bit clients you don't have to add any options
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| 12:00 | it inherits whatever the arch is.. on ubuntu
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| 12:00 | <atomic007za> no, they are still i386
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| 12:00 | <johnny> then use --arch i386
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| 12:00 | <atomic007za> will do thanks
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| 12:00 | <johnny> other distros default to i386, so you don't have to type anything
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| 12:00 | not sure why ubuntu doesn't
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| 12:00 | <atomic007za> cool, thanks alot
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| 12:01 | <vagrantc> debian doesn't default to i386
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| 12:01 | <johnny> oh.. sadness
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| 12:01 | <vagrantc> and maybe ubuntu inherrited it
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| 12:01 | <johnny> yeah.. that's probably it
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| 12:01 | <atomic007za> hi vagrantc
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| 12:01 | <vagrantc> well, as soon as i defaulted amd64 to i386, i got bug reports that it was unexpected behavior
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| 12:01 | <johnny> from the rare people who build for 64bit thinclients? :)
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| 12:02 | <vagrantc> which, admittedly, the leasy surprising default is to default to whatever you're using
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| 12:02 | <johnny> vagrantc, perhaps therer shouldn't be any default :)
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| 12:02 | <vagrantc> johnny: well, not everyone who uses LTSP strictly uses it for thin clients
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| 12:02 | <johnny> how will they feel then :)
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| 12:02 | <atomic007za> I wanted to say thanks, for the help with the backup the other day,
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| 12:02 | * alkisg wonders how many bug reports would be needed for the opposite to be default :) | |
| 12:02 | * vagrantc waves to atomic007za | |
| 12:03 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yeah.
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| 12:03 | <johnny> fasaxc, you might want to try using the real 64bit flash plugin and not the nspluginwrapper
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| 12:03 | <vagrantc> i think also, the simplest code was to default to the same default.
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| 12:03 | same arch
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| 12:03 | <johnny> fasaxc, try installing the 64bit version and then apt-get remove nspluginwrapper
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| 12:03 | <vagrantc> so i was tempted by simple code, too :)
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| 12:04 | <johnny> vagrantc, sure.. but i don't design for the experts..
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| 12:04 | <fasaxc> johnny, I think I am using flash 64bit, I'll just check
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| 12:04 | <johnny> fasaxc, it's not default
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| 12:05 | since last i checked..it's still in beta
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| 12:08 | <fasaxc> yes I have the 64bit one installed, I had to install it manually from adobe
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| 12:09 | <johnny> weird
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| 12:09 | i haven't had any problems
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| 12:09 | but perhaps that is why it is in beta
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| 12:09 | :)
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| 12:09 | perhaps try the origiinal then
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| 12:10 | fasaxc, it's not our fault flash sucks so bad
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| 12:10 | altho of course we do have problems with our own apps like OOo..
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| 12:11 | <fasaxc> hehe, I know, but on the face of it I don't think Flash should be able to take down a session. Sure, I can see it crashing Firefox maybe but surely it shouldn't be able to take down the whole session?
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| 12:12 | <johnny> depends on why.. some things we just can't do anything about
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| 12:16 | <fasaxc> it seems like the X server on the client is still running (since I can move the mouse and it changes depending on what it's over) but I see a bunch of errors in the xsession-errors log saying "Connection reset by peer" and others suggesting the connection has gone down. Is that a typical failure mode when something goes wrong in LTSP?
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| 12:27 | <johnny> fasaxc, not really..
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| 14:03 | <lfaraone> Hi,
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| 14:03 | I just set up a LTSP server running Ubuntu Jaunty.
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| 14:04 | I'm using another DCHP server using the next-server directive. My clients boot to the login screen, but I can't log in using the username and password info I know is correct.
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| 14:05 | <alkisg> lfaraone: try: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys; sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 14:06 | ...and then reboot the client
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| 14:07 | <lfaraone> alkisg: will do.
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| 15:18 | <garymc> Hi, does anyone know if I can loginto my server like my thin clients from a remote location and how?
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| 15:18 | <johnny> sure.. use vnc..
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| 15:19 | otherwise go read remote x tutorials
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| 15:19 | there are tons of tutorials
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| 15:19 | <alkisg> or freenx (rocks! :P :D)
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| 15:57 | <johnny> alkisg, i'm waiting for the release and continuation of google's nx server thing
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| 15:57 | <alkisg> Amen
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| 15:57 | ..but till then, /me has fallen in love with freenx :P :D
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| 15:59 | <wietze> are they doing one? I didnt know, but freenx works fine for me till now :L)
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| 16:00 | <alkisg> wietze: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/07/releasing-neatx-open-source-nx-servier.html
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| 16:02 | <wietze> winner
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| 16:02 | * alkisg wonders if freenx could turn ancient windows 95 PCs (16 RAM etc) into terminals... | |
| 16:04 | <johnny> probably won't run on win95..
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| 16:04 | all software that can run win95 is disappearing
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| 16:04 | but possibly
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| 16:04 | if you ran a micro linux distro
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| 16:04 | micro micro micro
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| 16:04 | but i don't know.. probably not
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| 16:06 | <wietze> what are the minimum requirements for X nowadays? :)
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| 16:07 | <alkisg> The only distro I ever saw able to boot some tiny X server with 16 ram is deli linux - but then again I'm new to linux so I haven't seen any really old distros
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| 16:10 | <wietze> I run X on a psion 5mx which has 16mb ram and a 36mhz arm proc
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| 16:11 | but thats not an 1.6 :(
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| 16:13 | did anyone here try that google code?
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| 16:13 | <alkisg> Hmmm there's a neatx release in the freenx PPA (ubuntu): https://launchpad.net/~freenx-team/+archive/ppa
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| 16:15 | "Backport to karmic" ???? backported from what, ubuntu 10.04??? !!!
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| 16:18 | <johnny> from karmic+1 :)
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| 16:18 | lol
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| 17:46 | <monteslu> any k12linux users awake ?
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| 17:47 | <monteslu> gotta upgrade in the next couple of days from fedora 9 to 11
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| 17:47 | don't know if i should go to 10 first
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| 17:48 | <Ryan52> monteslu: should be the as any fedora. which I don't know.
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| 17:50 | <johnny> monteslu, if you wait a bit longer you can upgrade to 12 :)
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| 18:07 | <monteslu> johnny, I've broken upgrades just going one version. No way going 3 will work :)
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| 18:08 | <johnny> you need to go one at a time
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| 18:08 | i think
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| 18:08 | 9 to 10 to 11 to 12
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| 18:08 | not 9 - 12
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| 18:11 | <monteslu> ahh, ok. I'll give that a shot. Kinda worried about breaking ltsp with it.
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| 18:11 | Wish RH would release EL 6 so i could run a centos 6 based version and not have to upgrade so often
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| 18:19 | <johnny> every 6 months doesn't seem so often :)
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| 18:22 | <monteslu> i just upgrade the school every 12 months, and it seems to come too quickly
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| 18:23 | at home I'm always on the latest fedora though :)
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| 18:36 | <GGD> !seen warren
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| 18:36 | <ltspbot> GGD: warren was last seen in #ltsp 6 days, 1 hour, 17 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <warren> pulseaudio changed substantially
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| 18:55 | <johnny> GGD, warren doesn't hang out here often anymore
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| 18:55 | don't expect to run into him here
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| 18:55 | he's very busy with other stuff
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| 21:07 | <GGD> hey johnny
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| 21:08 | you here
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| 21:22 | <GGD> hey johnny
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| 21:38 | <johnny> GGD, sup?
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| 21:38 | oh
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| 21:38 | sorry.. i havev to run
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