IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 10 August 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:29 | <jakob__> Hi
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| 01:29 | Can anybody help with a missing video driver question
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| 01:32 | <jakob__> Is there a channel for LTSP 4.x?
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| 01:34 | <rcy> jakob__: yer on it.
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| 01:37 | <jakob__> OK I need to add an xorg video driver to my ltsp4 xorg-server. Is there an easy way to do this, maybe some prebuild drivers for ltsp-4
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| 01:38 | What I need is a s3 or via driver
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| 01:45 | <jakob__> When I boot my thin client (3 different types) they all end up using the vesa driver.
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| 01:50 | hmm :(
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| 01:55 | <jakob__> Is there somewhere a repository of prebuild xorg video drivers for LTSP 4?
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| 02:20 | <gvy> jakob__, ugh -- ltsp4 is very weird stuff :(
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| 02:20 | if at all possible, move off onto 5
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| 02:20 | * gvy went so far as hiring a person and adapting ltsp5 for ALT Linux | |
| 02:21 | <gvy> s/so/as/
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| 02:22 | <jakob__> There are certain things I havn't solved regarding LTSP 5. We use kde (kubuntu) the login screen looks very wierd, but first of all the problem is that most of the clients arent fast enough to handle the ssh compresshion
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| 02:31 | <gvy> jakob__, well you can try altlinux
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| 02:31 | we prepared the port in a way so older clients wouldn't suffer that much
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| 02:31 | in particular, ssh isn't use
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| 02:31 | *d
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| 02:59 | <jakob__> altWhat is altlinux?
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| 03:00 | <gvy> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=alt
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| 03:01 | <jakob__> gvy, Where du I find it? Hopefully you don't meen switching distro?
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| 03:01 | <gvy> jakob__, ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/distributions/ALTLinux/4.0; depends on your setup and troubles
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| 03:02 | <jakob__> I was thinking rippnig the LTSP 4.2 tree. Is that possible
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| 03:07 | <gvy> I once went there to replace some driver but finding a compatible (re options) build was too hard
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| 03:07 | and ltsp4 was doomed here anyways. :)
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| 03:08 | <jakob__> OK, so I'm left with rebuilding from the lbe
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| 03:09 | <gvy> maybe
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| 03:09 | have you got something that's not supported by already present drivers?
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| 03:11 | <jakob__> via
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| 03:11 | s3
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| 03:13 | <gvy> ugh, both can be tricky :( didn't fiddle with both since xorg's properly maintained in alt...
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| 03:14 | older drivers like those in fc4 or what ltsp4.2 was based on could have troubles though
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| 03:15 | s3 trio64 was rather broken in xfree86 4.x/xorg so far
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| 03:17 | <jakob__> my clients are HP T5135 the specs say via S3
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| 03:22 | <gvy> via c3?
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| 03:24 | <ogra> jakob__, gutsy has a kde theme for ldm and the option to switch off compression (and boots as fast as 4.2)
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| 03:24 | oh, and ldm is in C now ... way faster ...
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| 03:25 | we worked pertty colse with Riddell and the other kubuntu guys to get kde support rocking over the next two releases (full sound and localdev integration for example)
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| 03:26 | <gvy> ogra, morning :)
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| 03:26 | <ogra> hey gvy
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| 03:26 | <jakob__> Really
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| 03:26 | <ogra> jakob__, indeed :)
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| 03:27 | <jakob__> Last I tried (feisty) sound worked out of the box
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| 03:27 | <ogra> well, kmix has its probs
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| 03:27 | <jakob__> How about the driver question?
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| 03:27 | <ogra> it doesnt see the virtual alsa card
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| 03:27 | <jakob__> ok
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| 03:28 | <ogra> and since kde doesnt use gnome-vfs and doesnt monitor /mdeia either, you dont get icons on the desktop for mounted usb keys
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| 03:28 | beyond that and a missing kde theme for ldm all was fine though
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| 03:29 | <jakob__> Does gustu-kubuntu get USB keys right (very important)
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| 03:30 | gustu=gusty
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| 03:31 | <ogra> sure
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| 03:31 | feisty already did
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| 03:32 | <jakob__> ogra, What would you say is the maturety-state of kubuntu LTSP-5 on Gusty, is it usable as is.
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| 03:33 | <jakob__> By the way is Gusty released?
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| 03:35 | <ogra> no
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| 03:35 | it will release in october
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| 03:35 | but we released a new milestone yesterday
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| 03:35 | <jakob__> OK I guess that anwers my prior question too :-)
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| 03:36 | Is the plan to have LTSP-5 mature on release?
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| 03:36 | kmix and stuff like that?
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| 03:36 | <ogra> ktsp5 is mature and the latest upstream release since edgy
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| 03:36 | *ltsp5
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| 03:36 | i know Riddell was working on getting kmix fixed
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| 03:37 | <jakob__> ktsp will that be an actual package?
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| 03:37 | <ogra> the missing desktop icons arent fixed yet, i'll probably add a small wrokaround to the mounter script though
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| 03:37 | no
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| 03:38 | <jakob__> Can't it be done like LTSP 4, usnig udev and fuse
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| 03:38 | <ogra> there might be a ldm-qt at some point, the new ldm makes that easily possible
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| 03:38 | it is done that way
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| 03:38 | in fact we use the latest ltspfs (ltsp 4 isnt develped since 2 years anymore)
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| 03:39 | <jakob__> Why isn't it working on LTSP-5 then? works fine on LTSP-4
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| 03:39 | <ogra> because we want to implement it properly
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| 03:39 | <jakob__> Fair enough :-)
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| 03:39 | <ogra> the way it worked in 4.x was a hack
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| 03:40 | i'll add that hack back and add an option for lts.conf in gutsy i think, so kde people can enable it
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| 03:40 | for gutsy+1 we'll use hal and all problems will go away magically
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| 03:41 | (at least the ones with the differnt UIs)
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| 03:41 | <jakob__> I might want to help out at some point, just not right now.
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| 03:41 | Too busy
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| 03:42 | <ogra> well, a bit kde feedback about whats working during gutsy dev would be cool ;)
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| 03:44 | <jakob__> OK, I will try it out - and get back to you.
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| 03:44 | see you, and thanks!
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| 04:27 | <lol> hi, i am trying to build a network boot image (with cramfs) that starts a simple web browser and therefore needs no terminal server, only dhcp + tftp. do you know projects like this (customizing ltsp may be possible, but i assume it is way to big) ?
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| 04:32 | <ogra> on ubuntu you would run ltsp-build-client --kiosk
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| 04:33 | <lol> ogrs: so this exists already. thanks.
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| 04:33 | <ogra> that removes the ltsp login manager and various other bits from the ltsp tree and installs firefox and a window manager in the client environbment instead
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| 04:34 | it could need a lot improvement though ;)
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| 04:34 | <lol> ogra: that is *exactly* what i need, thanks
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| 04:34 | ogra: why a window manager ?
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| 04:34 | <ogra> its pretty much the example at the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowtoWriteLTSP5Pluginsn what we use
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| 04:35 | whoops
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| 04:35 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowtoWriteLTSP5Plugins
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| 04:35 | lol, firefox wont get the right screen dimensions to run fullscreen if there is no WM
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| 04:36 | you can start it with --fulscreen ... but then it wont cover the whole screen in most cases
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| 04:36 | *fullscreen
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| 04:36 | <lol> ogra: years ago i had opera on some clients w/o a window manager
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| 04:37 | it always got it
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| 04:37 | <ogra> well, you can use opera if you want :)
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| 04:38 | i cant put it in an uubuntu ltsp defaulzt install since we dont have it in the main archive ... but installing stuff in a chroot is trivial ...
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| 04:38 | thats the whole point of ltsp5 ;)
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| 04:38 | <lol> okay i am on debian etch now
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| 04:38 | so i assume that is not right
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| 04:39 | * lol goes booting feisty | |
| 04:39 | <ogra> debian etch should have a similar version of ltsp5 as ubuntu edgy had
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| 04:39 | there are backports of the feisty version as well somewhere
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| 04:39 | <lol> oh thanks
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| 04:39 | <ogra> !debian
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| 04:39 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 04:40 | <ogra> i think at the bottom of the page is a link
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| 04:42 | <lol> many thanks - after experimenting a bit with debootstrap i assumed it would be a PITA to make all this working
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| 04:42 | and now it exists
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| 04:49 | <ogra> :)
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| 05:03 | <lol> the downside is that this is another instance of "everything i need has already been built by someone smarter/faster/etc."
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| 05:19 | <Envit1> Hola a todos desde España
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| 05:19 | HAFS
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| 06:12 | <jamie> Any one got the cmedia cm8738 working with ltsp or help me get it working please.
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| 06:15 | <Kream> hi all
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| 06:16 | someone here mentioned a CD which would automatically scan for a large number of supported network cards which it could automatically pxe boot
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| 06:17 | done anyone here know of one ?
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| 06:20 | <Envit1> try at etherboot
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| 06:22 | <jamie> Any one got the cmedia cm8738 working with ltsp or help me get it working please.
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| 06:22 | <Kream> just google for etherboot ?
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| 06:25 | <Kream> hmm?
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| 06:28 | <Envit1> etherboot.org
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| 06:53 | <cliebow> what does gpxe do for us??
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| 06:53 | <Envit1> cliebow: i don't know
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| 06:54 | <cliebow> i see MArty is demoing it at linuxworld sf...
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| 07:36 | <lol> ogra: kiosk mode still doesn't work 100% with cramdisk, does it ?
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| 07:36 | <ogra> no, it uses an nfsroot
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| 07:37 | (in gutsy it uses a squashfs image)
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| 07:39 | i guess the gutsy implementation gets near what you want
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| 07:39 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS
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| 07:59 | <lol> ogra: "gutsy implementation" means that i will be able to apt-get it if i install ubuntu gutsy gibbon ?
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| 08:45 | <monteslu> Is this only for 4.2: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
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| 08:58 | <ari_stress> good evening
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| 09:02 | <exodos> hi, how can I umount usbstick mounted with ltspfs on LTSP5 ?
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| 09:03 | <ari_stress> exodos: i guess you just need to unplug it. i cannot unmount it either
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| 09:08 | <Gadi> ogra: I am bzr push'ing my mods to configure-x.sh: https://code.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/gadi-configurex-mods-ltsp
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| 09:57 | <BlackDark> hi
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| 09:58 | is that a way to put a bitmap on the terminal screen while it is booting ?
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| 09:58 | to tell the user, boot is in progress, please wait 1-2 minutes
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| 10:14 | <Janet32766> can anyone tell me when i can't sudo su into the admin account when i'm on a non-prov'd user terminal?
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| 10:14 | s/prov/priv
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| 10:32 | <Gadi> Janet32766: say that again?
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| 10:39 | <Janet32766> Gadi, if i have a user logged in (non-root), and a terminal session, how can i 'su' to a priv'd (root type) session from that non-priv'd user acct? su root or su myserverprivacct doesn't accept passwd
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| 10:40 | <Gadi> if that user is non priveleged, you would need to do:
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| 10:40 | su - <priveleged_user>
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| 10:40 | and then give the password of the priveleged user
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| 10:41 | so, if 'bob' is priveleged and you are on joe
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| 10:41 | do:
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| 10:41 | joe#: su - bob
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| 10:41 | password: bobspassword
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| 10:41 | <Gadi> then, you will be bob and can sudo
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| 10:46 | <Janet32766> sysadmin is my priv'd user, su - sysadmin doesn't work, note, this is in an LTSP env
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| 10:46 | <Gadi> it should be independent of LTSP
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| 10:47 | you're just one user wanting to switch to another
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| 10:47 | <Janet32766> i wish :)
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| 10:47 | <Gadi> perhaps you have the wrong password
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| 10:47 | spelling counts ;)
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| 10:47 | <Janet32766> negative
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| 10:48 | <Gadi> what error do you get?
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| 10:48 | <Janet32766> invalid login
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| 10:48 | <Gadi> do you get prompted for a password?
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| 10:48 | <Janet32766> yes
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| 10:48 | <Gadi> is sysadmin a simple, local user
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| 10:48 | ?
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| 10:49 | <Janet32766> yes
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| 10:49 | <Gadi> do you have any kind of network authentication as well?
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| 10:49 | <Janet32766> this is a standard edubuntu install w/LTSP, i can only sudo su when parent process is sysadmin
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| 10:50 | <Gadi> parent process?
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| 10:50 | you mean when you open a terminal as sysadmin
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| 10:50 | <Janet32766> i start an x session w/sysadmin login, then sudo su
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> right
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| 10:51 | <Janet32766> if i start an x session as 'bob', i can't sudo su - sysadmin
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| 10:51 | <Gadi> right
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| 10:51 | you *should* be able to just: su - sysadmin
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| 10:51 | no "sudo"
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| 10:52 | <Janet32766> i'll try...
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| 10:52 | <Gadi> (bob can never sudo - poor bob - he has no sudo privileges)
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| 10:52 | :)
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| 13:05 | <lns> Hey I'm building some brochure-type documentation for LTSP based networks, does anyone have any existing (completed) stuff like this? If not, I would be more than happy to submit what I complete
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| 13:05 | It would be geared toward the educational sector
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| 18:53 | <spec> Heya...I'm using edubuntu and it can't complete booting...it loads the kernel and then spits up the usplash screen, but the progress bar doesn't move, the screen then blanks, and then drops into busybox with an initramfs prompt...any chance anyone here knows how to disable the usplash?
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| 20:39 | <johnny> hi
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| 20:39 | what should the hostname show in ldm?
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| 20:39 | down in the lower right corner
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| 20:43 | my problem is that i can login via ldm, but not via console on the same client
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| 21:18 | <jammcq> hey friends
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| 21:18 | <ari_stress> morning
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| 21:19 | <johnny> howdy
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| 21:19 | <ari_stress> nothing much
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| 21:19 | lots of stress as usual :)
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| 21:19 | <johnny> so, why would stop me from being able to login to a console while ldm login works
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| 21:19 | oh.. and also, what should show up in the in the lower right corner for the hostname
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| 21:19 | maybe that is the ultimate problem
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| 21:20 | <ari_stress> i dont understad
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| 21:29 | <johnny> when you see ldm
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| 21:29 | what is the hostname that shows up
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| 21:32 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 21:32 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 21:32 | Hey jammcq
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| 21:34 | <jammcq> sbalneav: so.... what music are you listening to now?
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| 22:09 | <ari_stress> morning sbalneav
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| 22:09 | <sbalneav> Hello
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| 23:45 | <sbalneav> !seen ogra
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| 23:45 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 16 hours, 5 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS
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