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Channel log from 2 March 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:29 | <alkisg> !xauthority
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| 01:30 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "xauthority" :: to access the client X session from a local root shell, try: eval $(tr '\0' '\n' < /proc/$(pidof -s ldm gdm-simple-greeter gnome-session | cut -d' ' -f1)/environ | egrep '^DISPLAY=|^XAUTHORITY=') && export DISPLAY XAUTHORITY
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| 01:31 | <muppis> alkisg, why you don't make an alias for that?
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| 01:32 | <alkisg> muppis: on all different computers that I sit on? how?
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| 01:33 | <muppis> alkisg, once for all chroot's.
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| 01:33 | <alkisg> No I mean that e.g. I go to 5 different schools to support etc
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| 01:34 | So I don't have access to their chroots before I go there...
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| 01:34 | For my own pc, I do have scripts in ~/bin to automate stuff
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| 01:35 | <muppis> I meant for possible future use.
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| 03:02 | <gypsymauro> hi
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| 03:03 | <komunista> hi ;-)
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| 03:03 | <gypsymauro> there is a way to connect to an ltsp server from a client using something like rdesktop? using a Xnest -query maybe?
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| 03:04 | hi komunista
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| 03:04 | :)
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| 03:07 | <komunista> gypsymauro: IMHO yes, but some tweaking will be needed - because default LTSP uses ssh autentification
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| 03:07 | <gypsymauro> I c
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| 03:08 | <komunista> you will need allow X connections or some like this
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| 03:11 | <gypsymauro> komunista: I was searching something like ..rdesktop :)
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| 03:14 | <komunista> this http://kangkam.blogspot.com/2008/05/tutorial-konfigurasi-ltsp-dan-rdesktop.html ?
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| 03:14 | it is a first link from google...
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| 03:14 | <gypsymauro> not exactly
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| 03:15 | <komunista> and what you want?
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| 03:15 | <gypsymauro> nevermind, I'm running ltsp server on ubuntu, there is a way to lock down users? for example removing desktop background, desktop effects and so on?
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| 03:16 | komunista: I was meaning, with rdesktop you can connect directly to a windows TS from a client, suppose I've already my linux desktop, but I want to deploy some applications with LTSP, there is a way to connect using a single command to LTSP server ?
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| 03:16 | <komunista> some days agou a read some article about locking clients from server by screensaver - I have not link
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| 03:17 | but you can try the italc, it is documented in ubuntu wiki
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| 03:18 | <alkisg> gypsymauro: you mean, to connect to an ltsp server from another linux machine?
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| 03:18 | You can use vnc or neatx-server for that
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| 03:19 | * alkisg prefers neatx-server, faster and easier to install, no configuration needed | |
| 03:20 | <gypsymauro> alkisg: in fact, I was thinking about that :) do you have news about neatx? I know that nx will be closed source from 4
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| 03:21 | <alkisg> You mean the nomachine nx server? Isn't it already closed source?
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| 03:21 | The freenx and the neatx servers are open source though, so I don't think they can be closed source
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| 03:22 | <gypsymauro> yes nomachine one
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| 03:22 | <alkisg> It's already closed source
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| 03:22 | <gypsymauro> I know but it seems a dead project
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| 03:22 | the free one I mean
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| 03:22 | <alkisg> neatx isn't actively developed, sure, but it works, and receives updates now and then
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| 03:22 | freenx is more actively developed, it's just a bit more hassle to configure it
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| 03:23 | <elias_a> alkisg: Speaking of freenx - what ports does it use for communication? OpenMeetings uses it for screenshare and we bumped into some problems.
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| 03:23 | alkisg: Or maybe this is a trivial google it yourself type of question...
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| 03:23 | <alkisg> gypsymauro: nx is the best option currently, much faster than vnc or anything else I tried. So I'm using it. If it ever breaks in the future, i'll search then for any alternatives :)
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| 03:23 | elias_a: it works over ssh, so port 22
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| 03:24 | <elias_a> alkisg: Thanks!
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| 03:24 | <komunista> to connect LTSP server from my Windows workstation I am using NX - FreeNX combination
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| 03:32 | <gypsymauro> komunista: what kind of combination? why not all freenx?
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| 03:34 | <komunista> freenx is server solution
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| 03:34 | and as client I am suing official NX software - with no exact reason
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| 03:36 | but official NX client is simplest way for Windows systems
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| 03:37 | <sep> komunista, there is also something called x2go you can test using nx libsm just like freenx
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| 03:37 | <komunista> yes, I tried it
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| 03:37 | it works
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| 03:38 | but I tried it only from Linux workstation
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| 03:38 | freenx is working for me more than 1.5 year without any problem
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| 03:40 | I was tried the NX client as localapps on thin client too - by some problems with slow kicad (solved now by new version of kicad)
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| 03:44 | <gypsymauro> kicad?
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| 04:01 | <markit> hi, is it normal that for each user connected (thin client), "who" shows 2 entries, only one with the IP resolved in the name (I've entries in /etc/hosts)? Like: gfassina pts/1 2011-03-02 11:11 (ltsp108) ANDgfassina pts/2 2011-03-02 11:12 (192.168.20.108:7)
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| 04:12 | <komunista> gypsymauro: kicad is software for electric schemas and PCBs development - I am teacher on electrical school
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| 04:13 | <gypsymauro> great komunista :) it's so rare to find teachers that loves FLOSS
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| 04:19 | <komunista> gypsymauro: I love my wife and daughters - FOSS I am using only :-)
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| 04:25 | <markit> komunista: great!
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| 04:25 | <gypsymauro> komunista: :)
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| 04:36 | <komunista> and (to be more exact) I contribute too... ;-)
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| 05:13 | <alkisg> Hi, I'm trying to `apt-get dist-upgrade` a natty chroot, and apport fails to be configured. In /var/log/daemon.log I get:
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| 05:13 | Mar 2 14:11:11 alkis init: apport pre-start process (15957) terminated with status 1
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| 05:13 | Mar 2 14:11:11 alkis init: apport post-stop process (15958) terminated with status 1
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| 05:14 | In apport.postinst there is this call, added by dh_installinit:
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| 05:14 | invoke-rc.d apport start || exit $?
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| 05:15 | <alkisg> So the question is, should that invoke-rc.d call succeed, or should the postinst have an `|| true` at that line?
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| 05:16 | Heh. Wrong channel. Ignore me :)
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| 06:07 | <alkisg> Maybe we can replace "LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS" with an "in_chroot()" call which would automatically take care of invoke-rc.d?
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| 06:07 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/574434/
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| 06:51 | <Naranek> Any pointers to getting sudo to work on a ltsp-client? I've tried editing /etc/sudoers on server and chroot jail, but it doesn't help. Googling is also hard, because the hits seem to be about using sudo in installing the ltsp server
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| 07:03 | <markit> Naranek: I remember there are info about enable root access from clients
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| 07:04 | with something like chroot, add password to root, reboot the client, etc
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| 07:04 | don't know if this helps
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| 07:04 | <Naranek> thanks. I would like to have it done without enabling the root password
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| 07:04 | <alkisg> Naranek: sudo should work fine on ltsp clients
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| 07:04 | Or are you talking about fat clients?
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| 07:05 | <Naranek> fat clients indeed
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| 07:05 | <alkisg> OK, can we start with "what do you need sudo for, on fat clients"?
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| 07:05 | Because there are *many* misconceptions there
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| 07:06 | <Naranek> I want to test changing the swappiness setting on a single computer before applying it for everyone
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| 07:06 | <alkisg> OK, testing is indeed a good reason
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| 07:06 | !SCREEN_02
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| 07:06 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "SCREEN_02" :: to get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using%20a%20shell%20SCREEN
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| 07:06 | <alkisg> You can test swappiness from SCREEN_02=shell, so no need for sudo
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| 07:06 | <Naranek> Thanks. I'll try that.
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| 07:06 | <alkisg> You can only do that for the specific client where you sit
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| 07:07 | By a [mac:address] lts.conf section
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| 07:07 | <Naranek> yeah. I actually tried that before, but it didn't work because I had borked some other settings, which I only found out later. better try that again :)
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| 07:07 | thanks for the help
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| 07:07 | <alkisg> np
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| 07:25 | <markit> alkisg: what kind of misconception? I'm trying (if my school buys some pc) to "migrate" to fat clients soon
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| 07:26 | <alkisg> markit: many people are trying to use `sudo` to do stuff on fat clients that should be done on the server chroot instead
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| 07:26 | E.g. installing / updating programs or putting mandatory gconf settings
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| 07:27 | I've yet to find a useful case for using sudo on fat clients, where SCREEN_02 doesn't suffice
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| 07:27 | <markit> I see... so for fat clients you have the "fat chroot" and you have to act there like you do in "thin chroot", correct?
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| 07:28 | btw, is it normal that for each user connected (thin client), "who" shows 2 entries, only one with the IP resolved in the name (I've entries in /etc/hosts)? Like: "gfassina pts/1 2011-03-02 11:11 (ltsp108)" AND "gfassina pts/2 2011-03-02 11:12 (192.168.20.108:7) "
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| 07:30 | <alkisg> Yeah I think we can easily avoid one of them by modifying a bit ldm.c, but I can't easily test the upstream code right now so I'm hoping some other dev can test + commit it
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| 07:30 | I.e. instead of running `echo LTSPROCKS; /bin/sh` to run `echo LTSPROCKS; exec /bin/sh`
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| 07:32 | <markit> alkisg: ok, in any case don't understand why one has the name, the other only the IP, if, just in case you have to patch code, is relevant for you
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| 07:33 | <alkisg> I guess in the first case a dns resolution happens while it doesn't on the second case, I don't think it's anything to concern yourself about
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| 07:33 | <markit> thanks
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| 15:03 | <pingpangqui> Hi
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| 15:04 | <alkisg> vagrantc: can we replace policy-rc.d with this one? http://paste.ubuntu.com/574434/ - it's supposed to work automatically, without having to manually set LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS...
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| 15:04 | <pingpangqui> I have a strange problem: when I try to login via ldm it seems to work but ends up at the ldm login screen
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| 15:05 | did anyone have had a similar experience
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> alkisg: if it works consistantly on all architectures...
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| 15:05 | er, distros
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| 15:06 | <pingpangqui> oh this might of concern: I'm using debian squeeze
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| 15:07 | <alkisg> vagrantc: erm, do other distros have policy-rc.d? I don't think it will work on non-linux architectures though, as it uses /proc - I've no idea if that is available on freebsd kernels etc
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| 15:07 | <vagrantc> ah
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| 15:07 | alkisg: well, we also mess with start-stop-daemon directly, if something doesn't respect policy-rc.d
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| 15:07 | which i think is in other distros
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| 15:07 | not that they necessarily use it
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| 15:08 | <alkisg> (but btw we 're using /proc a lot in the code, so I don't suppose that would be a problem)
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| 15:09 | pingpangqui: do you get an entry in /var/log/auth.log ?
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| 15:12 | <pingpangqui> hm I can't find such an file in the chroot environment
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| 15:12 | or should it be on the server?
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| 15:12 | <alkisg> Server
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| 15:14 | <pingpangqui> thats what I get:
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| 15:14 | Mar 2 22:59:26 debian sshd[5028]: Accepted password for swi from 192.168.2.20 port 46696 ssh2
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| 15:14 | Mar 2 22:59:26 debian sshd[5028]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user swi by (uid=0)
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| 15:14 | Mar 2 22:59:27 debian sshd[5033]: subsystem request for sftp
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| 15:14 | Mar 2 22:59:27 debian sshd[5033]: Received disconnect from 192.168.2.20: 11: disconnected by user
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| 15:14 | Mar 2 22:59:27 debian sshd[5028]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session closed for user swi
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> OK, try this:
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| 15:14 | !compiz
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| 15:14 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "compiz" :: the default window manager in gnome is gnome-wm, which automatically chooses compiz if it thinks that the card supports it. Compiz is causing login problems to some clients (LP #673072). To disable it, see !disable_compiz. To restore it, see !restore_compiz
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| 15:16 | <alkisg> vagrantc: also, if you're testing the new ldm, (I'll be testing it for 12.04, after 1 year :)), this "exec" should save us a bash for each connected user: src/plugins/ssh/ssh.c: sshinfo->server, "echo " SENTINEL "; exec /bin/sh -", NULL);
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| 15:18 | <pingpangqui> well, it seem compiz isn't even installed on my system
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| 15:18 | so that can't be the problem
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| 15:19 | <alkisg> pingpangqui: dpkg-query -W compiz-core
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| 15:20 | <pingpangqui> "no package found" (free translation from german)
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| 15:20 | login also fails using twm
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| 15:21 | <alkisg> OK, it's not that then, it's another problem
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| 15:21 | (the compiz problem is too common, that's why I suggested it first)
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| 15:21 | <pingpangqui> that sok
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| 15:21 | <alkisg> Check that user's ~/.xsession-errors
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| 15:21 | <vagrantc> alkisg: do they show up with "who" or "w" ?
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| 15:22 | <alkisg> vagrantc: not sure, but I don't think having an extra bash makes any difference on that
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| 15:23 | * alkisg checks... | |
| 15:23 | <pingpangqui> besides lots of: (firefox-bin:4483): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead
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| 15:24 | I found:
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| 15:24 | Cannot connect to server socket err = Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
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| 15:24 | Cannot connect to server socket
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| 15:24 | jack server is not running or cannot be started
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| 15:24 | Cannot connect to server socket err = Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
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| 15:24 | Cannot connect to server socket
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| 15:24 | jack server is not running or cannot be started
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| 15:25 | "Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden" means "file or path not found"
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| 15:26 | <alkisg> Jack? Doesn't debian use pulseaudio on thin clients?
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| 15:26 | * vagrantc nods | |
| 15:26 | <vagrantc> thought it generally requires some manual configuration
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| 15:26 | see /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/README.Debian.*
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| 15:28 | <pingpangqui> well I suppose whether jack fails shouldn't be a problem for the display, I guess.
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| 15:29 | <alkisg> vagrantc: I think the result on "w/who" comes from launch-ck-session, called by xsession, so it's not related to the ssh connection
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| 15:29 | <pingpangqui> Maybe this might be important: server is an amd64 system and the client an x86 (geode cpu)
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| 15:29 | * alkisg checks with a fat client... | |
| 15:30 | <alkisg> pingpangqui: do other clients have the same problem? Can you try with XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf?
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| 15:30 | <pingpangqui> yes a client with a via cpu has the same problem
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| 15:31 | I dont have others than that
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| 15:32 | <alkisg> Hm. Nope, fat client users also show up in "who"
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| 15:33 | <pingpangqui> I played already aroud with lts.conf in chroot and also created a new one in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 with the following content
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| 15:33 | [here is my clients mac adress]
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| 15:34 | LTSP_CONFIG = True
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| 15:34 | XSERVER = geode
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| 15:34 | X_RAMPERC = 80
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| 15:34 | LDM_DIRECTX = True
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| 15:34 | X_MODE_0 = 640x480root@debian:/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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| 15:34 | the last line is wrong ofcourse
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| 15:34 | ignore everything after x480
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| 15:35 | strangly the resolution on the ldm login is still 1024x 768
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| 15:36 | I'll try the vesa option though
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| 15:37 | but I'm not sure whether the files are actually considered
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| 15:38 | at least it doesn't seem so
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| 15:38 | <alkisg> `getltscfg -a` from the client will tell you that
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| 15:38 | !SCREEN_08
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| 15:38 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "SCREEN_08" :: To get a root shell on a Debian thin client, put SCREEN_07=ldm, SCREEN_08=shell and SCREEN_DEFAULT=07 to lts.conf.
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| 15:40 | <pingpangqui> ok I will do so tomorrow. Since I can't get access to the clients (Family is sleeping)
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| 15:42 | by the way do you know whether debian is using nfs or nbd by default?
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| 15:42 | both seem to be installed
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| 15:42 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ah got it. It's the `ssh -t` option which makes them appear in `w`
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| 15:43 | So: ssh user@localhost /bin/sh ==> doesn't appear
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| 15:43 | <pingpangqui> is this a problem ?
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| 15:43 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ssh -t user@localhost /bin/sh ==> appears
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| 15:43 | The "exec" part shouldn't make any difference at all
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| 15:43 | pingpangqui: it's using nfs by default
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| 15:44 | <pingpangqui> but ndb was automatically installed too
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| 15:44 | well strange
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| 15:44 | <alkisg> Maybe for swap, if you need it
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| 15:44 | (network swap)
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| 15:44 | <pingpangqui> ok
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| 15:45 | could nfs be the problem=
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| 15:45 | ?
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| 15:45 | <alkisg> I don't think so, since it boots
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| 15:45 | <pingpangqui> hm ok
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| 15:46 | Ok thanks for Your help so far
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| 15:47 | I'll give it another try tomorrow
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| 15:47 | <alkisg> np. Good night all
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| 15:47 | <pingpangqui> good night
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