IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 5 May 2015 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:06 | <bojan> How to improve performance in clients like speed up rthe client pc's??
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| 04:10 | <rwien> Thin or fat clients?
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| 04:15 | <bojan> rwien:What is the difference between thin and fat clients??
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| 04:16 | rwien:I am using p4 computers with 2 GB RAM and my server is i7 processor with 8 GB RAM
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| 04:16 | <rwien> bojan: Thin clients have the software processing and video rendering happening at the server level, and fat clients do processing locally.
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| 04:17 | <bojan> rwien:I am making some applications to work on eating RAM of client and some applications from server RAM
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| 04:17 | <vagrantc> bojan: with 2GB of ram, fat clients might improve performance
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| 04:17 | <rwien> If they are FAT clients then adding ram is probably the only thing you can do to improve performance. If they are thin clients then a better performing server is the answer there.
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| 04:17 | 2Gb is ok for Fat clients.
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| 04:18 | What type of applications are you running?
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| 04:18 | <bojan> rwien:i am making libreoffice to work from server RAM so it is the only application looking slow performance
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| 04:19 | <alkisg> p4 at what MHz?
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| 04:19 | <vagrantc> bojan: i would recommend not running anything as remoteapps
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| 04:19 | <bojan> vagrantc:i have installed some application in chroot and it is eating clients RAM memory and also it is working good
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| 04:19 | <vagrantc> bojan: just run everything there then
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| 04:19 | will probably help.
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| 04:20 | <bojan> vagrantc:How to do that?
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| 04:20 | <vagrantc> !fatclient
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| 04:20 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'fatclient', but I do know about these similar topics: 'fatclients', 'fatclient-printers'
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| 04:20 | <bojan> alkisg:I dont know the MHz sorry
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| 04:20 | <vagrantc> !fatclients | echo bojan
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| 04:20 | <ltsp`> bojan fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 04:20 | <alkisg> If they are at <= 2.0 GHz they're better of as thin clients
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| 04:20 | <vagrantc> alkisg: really?
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| 04:20 | <alkisg> Especially those at 1.7
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| 04:20 | Yes, with an i7 server...
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| 04:20 | The gnome menu takes 1 sec to highlight the next item there in 1.7 p4's...
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| 04:21 | <rwien> alkisg: I disagree. I have all 1.6Ghz fat clients that run amazingly well.
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| 04:21 | <bojan> alkisg:okay
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| 04:21 | <alkisg> rwien: are they really p4?
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| 04:21 | Can you post the /proc/cpuinfo of them?
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| 04:22 | P4's at 1.7 GHz can't play youtube videos full screen
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| 04:22 | <rwien> alkisg: Embedded AMD G-T40E.
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| 04:22 | <alkisg> rwien: then it's not p4
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| 04:22 | <rwien> 6 watt monsters.
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| 04:22 | True.
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| 04:23 | <alkisg> I'm not talking about the MHz
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| 04:23 | There are many good CPUs at 1.6
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| 04:23 | It's specifically p4's that are the issue
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| 04:23 | I don't think many at 1.6 exist, the 1.7 models are much more frequent, and with an i7 server, they go better as thin clients
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| 04:23 | <rwien> I do have several P4s but they are over 2Ghz. So you could be right there.
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| 04:23 | <bojan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10988186/
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| 04:24 | <rwien> bojan: OH!! 1Ghz. Haven't seen those for awhile.
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| 04:24 | <bojan> rwien:Even its working very good for me
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| 04:25 | rwien:I have running freecad a mechanical designing tool runiing with the computer
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| 04:25 | <alkisg> bojan: that's not a p4, what is it?
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| 04:25 | <rwien> bojan: That is amazing. Another testament to LTSP!
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| 04:25 | <alkisg> There are no p4 CPUs at 1 GHz afaik
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| 04:26 | <vagrantc> 3dnow suggests amd, no?
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| 04:27 | <bojan> alkisg:sorry its AMD
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| 04:27 | <alkisg> true
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| 04:27 | bojan: can you check the exact model?
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| 04:27 | <bojan> alkisg:http://paste.ubuntu.com/10988193/
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| 04:27 | <alkisg> Yup, that's waaaay faster than a p4
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| 04:28 | I agree with the others, make them fat clients
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| 04:28 | <bojan> alkisg:How to ??
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| 04:28 | <alkisg> vagrantc gave you a link above, about fat clients
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| 04:28 | Here's another one:
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| 04:28 | !ltsp-pnp
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| 04:28 | <ltsp`> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 04:28 | <vagrantc> oh yeah, ltsp-pnp is the way to go
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| 04:29 | <alkisg> It's even a 64 bit processor, it can even run amd64 arch
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| 04:29 | <vagrantc> alkisg: in general, if they're running a bunch of apps as localapps and they run well, chances are everything will run well
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| 04:29 | <rwien> Can you modify the lts.conf file to enable FAT clients?
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| 04:29 | <bojan> alkisg:yes i am running amd64 arch only
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| 04:30 | <rwien> Or do you have to re-build the image?
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| 04:30 | <alkisg> rwien: no you need a new chroot
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| 04:30 | Or install some *-desktop package in it
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| 04:30 | <rwien> Dang!
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| 04:30 | <vagrantc> well, you need to install some additional packages in the hroot
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| 04:30 | and rebuild the image
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| 04:30 | or blow away the chroot and run ltsp-pnp ... :)
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| 04:30 | <alkisg> vagrantc: there are xorg issues with p4 CPUs, for some reason, maybe l2 cache, they're extremely slow at some graphics operations. So they can e.g. run tuxpaint fine, but suck a lot at libreoffice, firefox etc
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| 04:31 | <bojan> alkisg:I need to completely remove and reinstall for ltsp-pnp configuration??
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| 04:31 | <alkisg> Like the ones recently brought up at the ML
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| 04:31 | bojan: no, you only need to remove the chroot and do 1-2 other things
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| 04:32 | <bojan> alkisg:But i have installed many applications in chroot
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| 04:32 | alkisg:What will happen for that all??
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| 04:32 | <alkisg> Ah, then do this:
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| 04:32 | !fatclients
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| 04:32 | <ltsp`> fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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| 04:32 | <vagrantc> alkisg: you've definitely got a lot of good experience, but i do encourage people to just experiment and find out for their particular use-case
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| 04:32 | <bojan> alkish:In this what is the steps i have to do??
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| 04:32 | <alkisg> bojan, did you read the page/
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| 04:32 | ?
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| 04:33 | <bojan> alkisg:Its really confusing
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| 04:33 | <alkisg> bojan: which distro/version are you using?
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| 04:33 | <bojan> alkisg:ubuntu 12.04 precise
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| 04:34 | <alkisg> With unity? Or gnome-flashback? Or other DE?
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| 04:34 | <rwien> ltsp-pnp is very easy. It does get more "exciting" with non-standard setups like external DHCP services.
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| 04:34 | <bojan> alkisg:How to find that??
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| 04:34 | <alkisg> Google for "pictures" of the names I said
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| 04:34 | E.g. google for "ubuntu unity" and then click on "pictures"
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| 04:34 | Sorry, "images"
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| 04:35 | And see if it's the one you're using
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| 04:35 | Or, what's the output of this? ls /usr/share/xsessions/
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| 04:36 | <bojan> alkisg:Should i take this from client or server??
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| 04:36 | <alkisg> Server
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| 04:36 | (or thin client)
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| 04:36 | <bojan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10988218/
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| 04:36 | <alkisg> gnome-shell?
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| 04:37 | <bojan> alkisg:yes
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| 04:37 | <alkisg> And what applications have you installed to the chroot?
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| 04:38 | <bojan> alkisg:freecad,mplab,arduino,ipux,ktechlab,etc...
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| 04:39 | alkisg:And only that applications are running with local RAM
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| 04:39 | <alkisg> bojan: do you have access to a thin client now/
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| 04:39 | Can you login there and paste a screenshot somewhere?
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| 04:39 | <bojan> alkisg:yes using epoptes
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| 04:40 | <alkisg> Ah ok then just open it with vnc and paste a screenshot
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| 04:40 | <bojan> what screen shot you want??
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| 04:40 | <alkisg> from the whole client screen, to see if you're using gnome-session
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| 04:40 | Because you have a lot of DEs
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| 04:40 | So that we can tell you what DE package to install to the chroot
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| 04:41 | <bojan> alkisg:okay please wait
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| 04:41 | alkisg:But can you tell me some website for sharing screenshot or i will share my dropbox link
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| 04:42 | <alkisg> bojan: go to epoptes -> help -> remote support, and put this there: srv1-dide.ioa.sch.gr
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| 04:43 | <alkisg> bojan: you're using unity
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| 04:44 | <bojan> alkisg:Great man thank you
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| 04:46 | <alkisg> bojan: this will make a backup of your existing chroot
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| 04:46 | It will take a lot of time, it's 10 GB
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| 04:47 | Press enter if you want that
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| 04:47 | <bojan> ok
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| 04:47 | shall i click enter??
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| 04:47 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 04:47 | After that, you're supposed to chroot to amd64 and install ubuntu-desktop
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| 04:48 | Ping me when it's finished...
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| 04:48 | <bojan> ok
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| 04:51 | Ans please tell me what you are going to do??Because if any problem occurs i have to troubleshoot know
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| 04:51 | <alkisg> Ah sorry check checking your network speed, as it's essential to ltsp
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| 04:52 | *just
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| 04:52 | <bojan> Even i am new to linux not much expert like you
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| 04:52 | okay
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| 04:54 | <alkisg> OK you don't have iperf can't really test, but it should be OK, you seem to have full gigabit
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| 04:55 | <bojan> okay
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| 04:56 | alkisg:You there??
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| 04:57 | <alkisg> Yes?
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| 04:57 | <bojan> okay
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| 04:57 | i have a doubt why this 2d panel and sshd are running??
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| 04:57 | <alkisg> I wasn't watching... what panel?
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| 04:58 | sshd is needed for ltsp logins
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| 04:58 | and the panel is the ubuntu desktop
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| 04:59 | <bojan> oh ok
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| 04:59 | okay okay
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| 04:59 | now i understood
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| 04:59 | Is there any messenger LTSP recommends??
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| 05:02 | alkisg:You there??Backup over
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| 05:03 | Now??What installing??
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| 05:03 | <alkisg> ubuntu-desktop in the chroot
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| 05:03 | So that it becomes a fat client
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| 05:03 | <bojan> okay
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| 05:04 | alkisg:Okay
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| 05:07 | <bojan> alkisg:If i reinstall my server fro any problem i need to install these ubuntu -desktop also or i can take backup??
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| 05:09 | <alkisg> Backup
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| 05:13 | <bojan> alkisg:installed
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| 05:15 | <alkisg> When it finishes, reboot clients
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| 05:16 | bojan: you have the stock ubuntu ltsp
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| 05:16 | It's a bit old, you can put a newer version from my ppa
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| 05:16 | <bojan> alkisg:Means??
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| 05:16 | <alkisg> Anyway ok leave that for later
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| 05:16 | <bojan> okay
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| 05:17 | alkisg:Please share some useful materials which you write of your personal
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| 05:17 | <alkisg> You mean that you want me to give you advice?
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| 05:17 | General advice for ltsp?
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| 05:26 | <bojan> Backup the ltsp folder will works if i paste the same thing in any other server??
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| 05:26 | Or i want to any confioguration for that??
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| 05:27 | <alkisg> You can rsync the chroot between servers and it will work fine
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| 05:28 | <bojan> alkisg:No ned to configure anything??
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| 05:28 | <alkisg> Nothing special, but of course you do need to install ltsp-server, to run ltsp-update-image etc
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| 05:28 | <bojan> alkisg:Okay
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| 05:30 | But i dont find the shutdown options and all in the rebooted clients
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| 05:30 | <alkisg> Which client has been rebooted?
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| 05:30 | <bojan> vijayan
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| 05:30 | username
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| 05:39 | alkisg:what happen?
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| 05:39 | <alkisg> bojan: there seems to be something wrong in your chroot
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| 05:39 | Your applications are not shown normally
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| 05:39 | Sorry though, work calls...
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| 05:39 | <bojan> alksig:Can you please make it as past??
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| 05:39 | <alkisg> Sure
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| 05:40 | When it finishes, reboot clients, it's like before
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| 05:41 | <bojan> alkisg:No need to purge the ubuntu desktop you installed??
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| 05:41 | <alkisg> No, it's in the other folder now
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| 05:41 | We used the backup
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| 05:41 | The fat chroot now is in /opt/ltsp/ltsp-fat-amd64
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| 05:41 | Sorry in /opt/ltsp-fat-amd64
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| 05:41 | <bojan> alkisg:Okay thank you
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| 05:42 | <alkisg> You can delete it if you don't want to test it more
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| 05:42 | * alkisg waves, work calls... | |
| 05:42 | <bojan> alkisg:No mind alkisg am in learning mode..I believe you
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| 09:55 | <Faisal_> I want to know about LTSP protocol support
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| 09:57 | <alkisg> What do you mean?
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| 09:57 | Faisal_: There's no "ltsp protocol" if that's what you're asking...
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| 09:57 | LTSP uses a lot of services like tftp, nbd, nfs...
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| 10:03 | <Faisal_> LTSP using which protocol for thinclient
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| 10:04 | <Faisal_> How can we connect our thinclient with LTSP server
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| 10:04 | currently we have just 4 protocols in our thinclient to connect terminal server which are Citrix, RDP, VMware and web
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| 10:05 | Will you please guide me which one is supported by LTSP
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| 10:09 | <alkisg> It's called "Xorg"
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| 10:09 | It's the classic protocol that Linux uses
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| 10:09 | It supports network connections too...
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| 10:09 | But if you want RDP, Linux also does support RDP, but it's not ltsp related
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| 10:11 | <Faisal_> Thank you so much for your support
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| 10:16 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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| 10:51 | <bojan_> IS there any messenger for LTSP clients to communicate (LTSP recommends)??
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| 10:56 | <alkisg> No, you can use whatever messenger you want
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| 11:03 | <bojan_> alkisg:Can u refer some good messenger
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| 11:03 | <work_alkisg> Ask in #ubuntu
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| 15:43 | <jtornero> Hello all. A basic thing. Need to copy some python scripts to chroot from the base system. How to proceed?
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| 15:48 | Forget it - seems I did it with mount --bind and running setup script. Thanks anyway
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| 17:01 | <tomtomtoooom> a question about ltsp-localapps
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| 17:01 | i want to change the .desktop files that are used to launch local apps
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| 17:01 | but i can not seem to find where i have to set them
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| 17:04 | They ae created automatically on the LTSP server: /tmp/ltsp-localapps-tomb-lBCuCq/applications/firefox.desktop
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| 17:05 | based on /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop in the chroot
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