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Channel log from 13 May 2010 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:20 | <no_mind> I am trying to boot a client with rom-o-matic image. I get an error on client "No filename or root path specified". How do I fix this ? I am using dnsmaq as proxy dhcp server
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| 01:58 | <stgraber> alkisg: ping
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| 01:58 | alkisg: there's the LTSP session at UDS in 5 minutes if you're interested
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| 01:58 | <alkisg> stgraber: in 10' please, i'm in webbanking... :)
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| 01:58 | ah, which room?
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| 01:58 | (thanks!)_
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| 01:59 | <stgraber> delfino
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| 01:59 | <alkisg> stgraber: erm sorry, how can I watch this session? /me will google in 5'...
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| 02:01 | <stgraber> alkisg: #ubuntu-uds-delfino
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| 02:01 | <alkisg> Thanks!
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| 02:01 | <stgraber> alkisg: there's a mp3 feed for the sound
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| 04:46 | <alkisg> Has anyone been experiencing left over processes in Lucid?
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| 04:46 | (I haven't, but I'm hearing a lot others that do, and trying to reproduce it...)
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| 08:09 | <BenG> heya all
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| 08:09 | a while back I made up a custom kernel image for some laptops we had, they can't etherboot, so it needed to be done
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| 08:10 | now we are thinking of doing the same for ltsp-5
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| 08:10 | I haven't much of clue were to start
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| 08:10 | are there any docs of how this is done for the newer LTSP releases?
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| 08:19 | <bbd> BenG: nothing special, I just needed to patch stock 2.6.33 kernel with aufs2 for ubuntu/karmic ltsp client
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| 08:22 | <BenG> but I need the starting process of booting the kernel on the clients
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| 08:22 | that's the big issue
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| 08:35 | <bbd> so you're booting from some limited local storage on each laptop? where is the issue here, i don't see difference if kernel is loaded by etherboot or by syslinux/grub/lilo
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| 08:40 | <BenG> that's right
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| 09:01 | <Gadi> BenG: are you talking about an ether boot image (rom-o-matic.net)?
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| 09:01 | <BenG> no, I need a kernel image for the laptops themselves, to live on local storage just as bbd said
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| 09:02 | <Gadi> why can't they etherboot?
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| 09:02 | <BenG> I manually compiled one for ltsp-4.2, but as bbd said, I might just need to use the stock LTSP kernel on there
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| 09:03 | Gadi, oh, it's such a sad story, they are old and will not take to such modern protocols
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| 09:03 | we use PCMCIA NICs on them
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| 09:03 | :(
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| 09:03 | <Gadi> ah, I see
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| 09:03 | it's the PCMCIA thing
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| 09:03 | <BenG> they have no inbuilt network cards
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| 09:03 | <Gadi> gotcha
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| 09:04 | <BenG> This page from ages ago relates to this suite of laptops: http://www.bristolwireless.net/wiki/index.php/PCMCIABootGPXE
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| 09:04 | <Gadi> yeah, I would just add the pcmcia drivers to the chroot's /etc/modules and update the initramfs
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| 09:05 | <Gadi> then load the kernel and initramfs on the laptop with your choice of bootloader and pass it nbdroot on the kernel command line
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| 09:24 | <BenG> Gadi, I don't understand the last bit sorry
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| 09:24 | "pass it nbdroot on the kernel command line"
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| 09:24 | <Gadi> BenG: will you be using Ubunut?
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| 09:24 | *Ubuntu
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| 09:24 | <BenG> Debian
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| 09:24 | <Gadi> ah, then nevermind that last bit
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| 09:24 | :)
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| 09:24 | * BenG wishes there was a distro called Ubunut | |
| 09:24 | <Gadi> Debian still uses NFS by default for the rootfs of the thin client
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| 09:25 | Ubuntu uses an exported NBD image
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| 09:25 | <BenG> sure, I think we will try to use NBD though, for speed
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| 09:25 | <Gadi> NFS knows where to mount from option root-path in dhcpd.conf
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| 09:25 | <BenG> okay, so that might be easier
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| 09:25 | to start with at least
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| 09:26 | though it's going to be very tight on memory, they only have 32Mb RAM
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> NBD knows where to mount either from assuming that the dhcp server is the nbd server (which it may still be in your case) or from a kernel command line argument (nbdroot)
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| 09:27 | taht certainly is tight
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| 09:27 | <BenG> :)
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| 09:27 | <Gadi> you will want to set up NBD swap, as well
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| 09:27 | <BenG> fine for ltsp-4.2
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| 09:28 | <Gadi> hehe - 4.2 was a different beast
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| 09:28 | :)
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| 09:28 | <BenG> indeed
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| 09:28 | is anyone running 5 with so little RAM?
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| 09:28 | <Gadi> not sure -and "5" is much more vague
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| 09:29 | as it takes on the characteristic of the distro
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| 09:29 | so, you need to ask - is anyone running a debian lenny ltsp5 chroot on such little ram
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| 09:29 | :)
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| 09:29 | <BenG> yeah, will be minimal kernel recompile specific to the laptops
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| 09:30 | <Gadi> right - but debian lenny has a different memory footprint than redhat or ubuntu or suse
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| 09:35 | <BenG> Gadi, got ya
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| 09:35 | I'll be cutting down the packages that boot in the guest too
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| 09:35 | there'll be no sound
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| 09:36 | but I'm jumping ahead, I'll try to get one booted firest
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| 09:38 | cheers for the help Gadi, I'll report back
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| 10:32 | <myjess> Anyone know why gsynaptics will not work on the karmic fatclient, even though I have xorg and fdi SHMConfig set? Thank you.
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| 10:32 | <Appiah> "Will not work"
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| 10:32 | Does it give you a error message?
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| 10:33 | <myjess> Yes, it states Gsyn couldn't init.
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| 10:33 | You have to set SHMConfig true in org.conf or XF85Config to use Gsynaptics.
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| 10:33 | <Appiah> can you enable some debug info?
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| 10:34 | or check som gsyn log
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| 10:34 | maybe it says why it cant init
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| 10:34 | <johnny> there is no XF86Config anymore.. gone for ages..
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| 10:34 | <myjess> oh, whoops, I renamed xrog.conf when I put the fdi bit in.
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| 10:34 | <johnny> also.. there should be no reason to edit xorg.conf these days
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| 10:34 | pretty sure even synaptics doesn't require it
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| 10:35 | altho.. perhaps the actual app gsyntapics still does
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| 10:35 | <myjess> Also, I have two trackpads, one on a wireles keyboard. I wonder if that is why I don;t believe the settings are working on the wireless k/b.
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| 10:36 | hmmm, I'll have to look to see how to setup two trackpads.
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| 10:51 | <BadMagic> hey all, been a looooon time
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| 10:52 | what is the key combination to get to the bios on an old ltsp term 150?
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| 10:56 | <johnny> BadMagic, might wanna ask the diskless workstation folks directly, instead of in here. i don't see them about
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| 10:59 | <BadMagic> k, thanks
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| 11:16 | <mannyv> johnny, I figured out my problem last night. I had sshd configured to only accept ssh key authentication and not password authentication. If i turn that off it works.
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| 11:19 | <johnny> ah.. yes.. i was going to ask you about ssh next
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| 11:20 | mannyv, a near future (hopefully) version of ldm will be using libssh instead of trying to parse the ssh output manually..and we'll be able to show more useful error messages instead of just killing the X server and starting over
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| 11:21 | which makes it really difficult to figure out why it isn't working without reading /var/log/ldm.log
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| 12:40 | <Gadi> anyone here using seamlessrdp?
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| 12:40 | (completely OT, btw)
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| 12:52 | <abeehc> i tried it a few times.. ended up not using the server side component for some reason i can't recall
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| 13:32 | <Lns> stgraber, ltsp-cluster requires i386 chroot or no?
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| 13:57 | <johnny> why would it ?
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| 14:01 | <Lns> johnny, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSP-Cluster/ - "Thin clients need 32-bit chroot. Build that one this way in root server."
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| 14:01 | <johnny> ah
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| 14:01 | i wonder why
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| 14:02 | probably not really..
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| 14:02 | i just wonder if the sentence is not worded correctly
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| 14:02 | <Lns> that's what i was hoping ;)
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| 14:03 | <johnny> i would guess that is the case, unless there are just no binaries built for amd64
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| 14:03 | (if there are binaries)
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| 14:03 | <Mava_> could writer want to stress that i386 clients needs i386 chroot ?
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| 14:04 | <johnny> yes.. that's my guess
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| 14:04 | Lns, i would just try it
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| 14:04 | if so.. fix the wiki page
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| 14:05 | <Mava_> ou jees
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| 14:05 | quote : " We need two x86_64/amd64 servers."
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| 14:06 | <Lns> johnny, well i was just reading up on ltsp-cluster and how it worked..i do have a test server i should be playing around with it on thou
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| 14:07 | <Mava_> mm mm,, test servers are the best :P
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| 15:01 | <grspence__> anyone able to help me - i install ltsp-server-standalone got everythign working fine. I do a reboot of my machine and now my dhcp3-server and my apache server don't load automatically.....any suggestions?
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| 15:04 | <johnny> well apache isn't related to ltsp
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| 15:04 | so.. that's unrelated
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| 15:04 | nothing we can help you with here
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| 15:04 | you should read logs
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| 15:05 | what happens when you manually try to start it
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| 15:05 | <grspence__> yeah everything comes up fine
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| 15:05 | (when i do /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart)
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| 15:05 | ltsp-standalone is the only package i've installed / changed in past fortnight....
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| 15:06 | just thought it might be related
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| 15:14 | <Lns> grspence__, make sure dhcp3-server is calling the right dhcpd.conf file (ltsp-server-standalone replaces it with /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.cof)
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| 15:15 | also make sure a symlink is in the runlevel you're starting at
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| 15:17 | <grspence__> lns - checked the dhcpd config - all fine
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| 15:17 | how do i check the symlink?
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| 15:17 | <johnny> isn't there some runlevel editing gui thing you can use
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| 15:17 | /me doesn't know much about this on debian
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| 15:17 | gentoo makes it so much easier.. i forgot how to do it otherwise
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| 15:17 | i just use the gui on fedora
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| 15:17 | <Lns> johnny, everything is easier when you're used to it ;)
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| 15:17 | <johnny> no..
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| 15:17 | big difference
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| 15:18 | <Lns> grspence__, 'ls -l /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf'
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| 15:18 | <johnny> you ahve to know what the numberes mean on ubuntu/fedora
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| 15:18 | on gentoo ti's just default or boot for most people
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| 15:18 | <Lns> johnny, /etc/inittab shows it
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| 15:18 | <johnny> it's so lame
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| 15:18 | <Lns> not sure about upstart and how it changes stuff
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| 15:18 | <johnny> gentoo's inittab only has 3 entries or so
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| 15:18 | it comes with 3 runlevels, boot, default, nonetwork
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| 15:18 | that's all
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| 15:18 | <grspence__> greg@aspire:~$ ls -l /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
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| 15:18 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 353 2010-05-01 19:45 /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
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| 15:19 | <johnny> and nobody i know uses nonetwork..
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| 15:19 | for 99% of services users add.. it's always default
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| 15:19 | rc-update add <service> default
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| 15:19 | done
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| 15:19 | or just .. rc-update add <service>
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| 15:20 | no need to know any number crapola
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| 15:20 | <grspence__> so i just do rc-update add dhcp3-server default?
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| 15:20 | <johnny> grspence__, .. no.. that's gentoo
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| 15:20 | i don't know how to do it on ubuntu.. because the stupid number thing and silly commands :)
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| 15:21 | Lns, gentoo's initsystem is superior to most init systems that are used on distros
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| 15:21 | it's probably even superior to upstart..
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| 15:21 | not sure if it's superior to systemd tho..
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| 15:22 | <Lns> johnny, =p perspective my friend, its all perspective
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| 15:22 | <johnny> no.. it's facts
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| 15:22 | not perspective
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| 15:22 | <Lns> hahaha
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| 15:22 | <johnny> speed, ease of use
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| 15:22 | <Lns> ok then
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| 15:22 | <johnny> gentoo kills it on both
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| 15:23 | oh.. and writing the scripts.. easy too
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| 15:23 | <grspence__> ok so quite bitchin about what distro is best... i'm sure they all have their niceties :D
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| 15:23 | on ubuntu any suggestions?!
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| 15:23 | <johnny> grspence__, both fedora and ubuntu use upstart..
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| 15:23 | google it.. if Lns doesn't know
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| 15:23 | <Lns> grspence__, it's basically the same as what johnny said on debian based systems,.. iirc "update-rc.d dhcp3-server defaults"
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| 15:23 | but i dont' see how it could have gotten removed in the first place
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| 15:24 | <grspence__> yeah i'm clueless why as well
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| 15:24 | <johnny> grspence__, i don't even use gentoo anymore on my desktop machine.. it's just something i miss
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| 15:24 | i've been using fedora for almost 2 years now, so i do have some decent perspective
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| 15:24 | <grspence__> update-rc.d: warning: dhcp3-server stop runlevel arguments (0 1 6) do not match LSB Default-Stop values (1)
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| 15:24 | System start/stop links for /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server already exist.
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| 15:25 | <Lns> grspence__, what does yoru syslog say after a restart of the machine? There's got to be a clue there somewhere
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| 15:25 | i'll bbiab.. taco bell time =p
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| 15:27 | <johnny> my guess is that you have a problem somewhere else .. perhaps your network isn't available when it needs to be..
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| 15:30 | <grspence__> http://pastebin.com/rJeBQ2iV
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| 15:43 | <Lns> grspence__, try inspecting daemon.log as well, i don't see any msgs for dhcpd/dhcp3-server
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| 15:43 | brb
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| 17:13 | <Lns> grspence__, hmm. i don't see anything there either
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| 17:13 | very strange it's just not showing up
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| 17:35 | <stgraber> Lns: nope, ltsp should work fine, whatever the architecture (as long as ltsp works on the architecture)
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| 17:38 | <Lns> stgraber, sweet. thx =)
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| 17:39 | excited to eventually try it out
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