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Channel log from 2 February 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:16 | <kwak> help!!! i always have xserver failed on my clients. what could be the cause?
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| 04:59 | <perb> hi
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| 04:59 | have some troulbe with my k12ltsp 6.0.0 installation..
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| 05:00 | my thin-client terminal freez after a couple of seconds after log-in
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| 05:01 | any ideas about how to look for the error??
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| 05:01 | the server seems to run fine
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| 06:48 | <erdinc> hi everyone
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| 07:46 | <Blinny> Woah. Award and Phoenix are charging for their BIOS updates now? Grrrrrr
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| 08:14 | <Blinny> Woah I just booted my first client that showed Tux when booting. Nice.
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| 08:14 | <perb> have a problem with k12ltsp I need help with
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| 08:15 | my clients freez short time after loggin in
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| 08:15 | any suggetions for troubleshooting?
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| 08:25 | <Blinny> perb: Do the clients get to the graphical login? Or see a grey-screen with mouse pointer?
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| 08:26 | <perb> i get to login
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| 08:27 | and get the desktop up
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| 08:27 | are able to start up firefox (and if I'm fast a terminal window)
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| 08:27 | but after some seconds it freezes
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| 08:27 | but I can still move the mouse pointer around the screen
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| 08:27 | <Blinny> Does it freeze if you don't open anything?
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| 08:28 | <perb> yes, i think i get the same "reaction"
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| 08:28 | <Blinny> Are you sure?
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| 08:29 | Also, check if there is there anything reported in the server's 'messages' log.
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| 08:29 | <perb> checked the log, but didn't seem unusual - but I'll check again if I get the same reaction without starting any programs
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| 08:33 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> hi don't have xdmcp services running.. have to install xdm package right?
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| 08:50 | <perb> Blinny: get the same reaction also when I don't start any programs..
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| 08:50 | seems like the loggin screen also freezes if I wait for a while
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| 08:51 | the last message in the log is: server pcscd: winscard.c:219 : ScardConnect() Reader E-gate 0 0 Not found
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| 08:51 | have the same problem with K12ltsp 5
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| 09:05 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> hi don't have xdmcp services running.. have to install xdm package right?
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| 09:16 | <skyadmin> hi a;;
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| 09:16 | all
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| 09:17 | I have a problem with nfs not loading on the thin clients
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| 09:53 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> re again
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| 09:54 | when i start the PXE client found the dclpclient and when try to catch tftp boot vmlinuz-imagge-ltsp-1 said: TFTP too many packages
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| 09:54 | what's wrong there?
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| 09:58 | <knight__> hi all
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| 10:06 | <dan__t> 'morning.
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| 10:09 | using netboot or pxe, sh3mh4mf0r4sh
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| 10:09 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yea yea i read now that at google
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| 10:10 | but now said tftp server not support tsize
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| 10:10 | option
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| 10:10 | <dan__t> which tftp server is being used?
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| 10:10 | sorry, didn't read "start the PXE client" heh.
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| 10:10 | need more coffee.
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| 10:12 | <marcoctba78> olá
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| 10:12 | <dan__t> 'morning
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| 10:13 | <marcoctba78> alguém ai sabe como instalar uma impressora em um terminal usando ubuntu com ltsp5
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| 10:13 | <dan__t> english?
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| 10:13 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> tftpd of debian package
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| 10:13 | <marcoctba78> how to configure a printer in client of ltsp 5?
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| 10:13 | on terminal
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| 10:15 | <dan__t> sh3mh4mf0r4sh, there's "atftpd", iirc
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| 10:15 | I used that a while ago for Cisco stuff, because whichever tftp server that came with CentOS at the time was limited.
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| 10:16 | <marcoctba78> i am using ubuntu 6.10, and ltsp is working, but the printer dont'work on terminal, and the configuration is different that on ltsp 4
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| 10:16 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> ctba? #ltsp-br
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| 10:16 | <marcoctba78> curitiba
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| 10:17 | <ogra_> marcoctba78, just add PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/lp0
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| 10:17 | to your lts.conf
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| 10:17 | or PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0
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| 10:17 | depending on what kind of printer you have ...
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| 10:17 | <marcoctba78> i had do it, but not work
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| 10:18 | <ogra_> in the printer manager just point t a network printer with jetdircet port and the ip of the client
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| 10:18 | <marcoctba78> yes, and i put socket://ip address:9100
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| 10:18 | in the ltsp 4 it works normaly
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| 10:18 | <ogra_> in gnome- orint manager ?
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| 10:18 | *gnome-printmanager
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| 10:19 | <marcoctba78> but in ltsp5 that is native on ubuntu not work
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| 10:19 | <ogra_> well, it works here
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| 10:19 | can you paste you lts.conf to a pastebin ?
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| 10:20 | <marcoctba78> are you using ubuntu, or what?
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| 10:20 | <ogra_> also see /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/ .... all options in the example lts.conf are tested
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| 10:20 | <cliebow_> bbiab
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| 10:21 | <marcoctba78> ok, i ll see it
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| 10:21 | sorry my english, is a sheet
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| 10:21 | but thanks
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| 10:22 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> dan__t: so need change to atftpd?
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| 10:23 | <dan__t> COuldn't hurt to try it out and see if that's your real problem
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| 10:25 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> marcoctba78: hey
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| 10:25 | I'm from ctba too
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| 11:20 | <cliebow_> its....jammcq!!!!!!!!!!
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| 11:21 | <jammcq> hey chuckie
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| 11:21 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> clap clap clap
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| 11:21 | ;)
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| 11:33 | <jammcq> laprag: hey
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| 11:34 | <laprag> hey jammcq!
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| 11:35 | happy new year (a little late ...)
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| 11:36 | <jammcq> hey, good to see you
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| 11:36 | <laprag> and you!
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| 11:36 | <jammcq> you in norway?
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| 11:36 | <laprag> yes
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| 11:36 | for the weekend only
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| 11:36 | urgh, gotta eat. be back in 30 min
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| 11:37 | <jammcq> k
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| 12:07 | <laprag> hey
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| 12:07 | wow what timing
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| 12:09 | <jammcq> oh?
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| 12:09 | <laprag> said i'd be gone 30 mins :)
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| 12:10 | jammcq: how's it goin'?
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| 12:11 | <jammcq> goin great, as always. but... Now i'm heading out to lunch
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| 12:11 | <laprag> heh
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| 12:11 | 30 minutes?
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| 12:11 | <jammcq> prolly a bit longer, gotta get in the car and drive somewhere
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| 12:12 | so, hopefully you'll hang round for a wile
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| 12:12 | err, while
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| 12:12 | anyway, gotta run
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| 12:12 | <laprag> yup :) enjoy lunch!
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| 12:12 | <jkommeri> hey
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| 12:13 | <laprag> ho
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| 12:13 | <jkommeri> Is there any good documentation for ltsp-5
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| 12:13 | I tried googling
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| 12:14 | <jkommeri> that did not help much
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| 12:14 | <laprag> did you look on http://wiki.ltsp.org/?
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| 12:14 | <jkommeri> yep
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| 12:15 | <laprag> and nothing you could use still
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| 12:15 | <jkommeri> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Documentation
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| 12:16 | there is goof documentation for every other version but not ltsp-5
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| 12:16 | /s/goof/good
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| 12:16 | <ogra_> jkommeri, we're still working on it
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| 12:17 | * vagrantc is started to admit total hard drive failure | |
| 12:17 | <jkommeri> ok
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| 12:17 | good
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| 12:17 | <ogra_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowtoWriteLTSP5Plugins and the ltsp5 section on the wiki might be your best nets
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| 12:17 | *bets
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| 12:18 | there is also some documentation in the ltsp-server and ltsp-client packages of debian and ubuntu
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| 12:18 | hey vagrantc
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| 12:18 | vagrantc, pulseaudio sound rocks !
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| 12:18 | <marcoctba78> Kaminski?
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| 12:19 | <vagrantc> ogra_: got it all nice and stuff?
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| 12:19 | <ogra_> yeah
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| 12:19 | volume control for free :)
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| 12:20 | <vagrantc> ogra_: failing hard drives suck.
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| 12:20 | <ogra_> yeah
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| 12:20 | <vagrantc> this is the second day in a row that mine has given out on me.
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| 12:20 | <jkommeri> ogra_: what I am looking for is the file that replaces lts.conf
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| 12:20 | <ogra_> do you still use the clicking one you had in detroit ?
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| 12:20 | jkommeri, its called lts.conf :)
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| 12:21 | we made it obsolete, we didnt replace it :)
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| 12:21 | <vagrantc> ogra_: yeah. it hasn't been clicking as much.
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| 12:21 | <laprag> hey ogra
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| 12:21 | <ogra_> you use it only to override autodetection
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| 12:21 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> have a kernel panick. could not automatically detect the network card PCI card should be detected automatically, ISA not detected, soy they require the nic driver to be specific in a 'NIC=' parameter to be passed on the kernel line, usually specified in option-123, in the dhcpd.conf fil
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| 12:21 | i have set the both option-128 and 129
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| 12:21 | <ogra_> hey laprag i just returned from oslo
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| 12:21 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> what could be happend then?
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| 12:21 | <laprag> ogra_: oh? work?
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| 12:22 | <ogra_> yeah
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| 12:22 | ubuntu dev sprint
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| 12:22 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> any idea?
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| 12:23 | <laprag> oh. got any skiing done?
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| 12:23 | <ogra_> heh, no, only hacking :)
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| 12:23 | * vagrantc runs off to work, hoping the computer doesn't catch on fire in the meantime | |
| 12:23 | <laprag> :)
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| 12:23 | sh3mh4mf0r4sh: what is the card?
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| 12:23 | <ogra_> and given that i never was on ski before i would have failed miserably
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| 12:23 | vagrantc, good luck
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| 12:23 | <laprag> ogra_: always a first time :)
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| 12:24 | sh3mh4mf0r4sh: ISA or PCI?
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| 12:24 | <jkommeri> ogra_: so I can still make node specific configurations to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf though it does not exist by default
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| 12:24 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> onboard
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| 12:24 | is a p4
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| 12:24 | <ogra_> jkommeri, yep
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| 12:25 | <laprag> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: that's the cpu
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| 12:25 | <jkommeri> ogra_: good, thanks
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| 12:25 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> so?
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| 12:25 | <ogra_> jkommeri, /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/
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| 12:25 | <laprag> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: if you use the option-XXX method you need to know the driver, don't you?
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| 12:25 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yes
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| 12:26 | check me please
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| 12:27 | option option-128 code 128 = string;
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| 12:27 | option option-129 code 129 = text;
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| 12:27 | thats all i have :S
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| 12:28 | <laprag> are you sure the onboard card is enabled?
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| 12:28 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> of course
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| 12:28 | i only have that
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| 12:28 | and can't open the PC
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| 12:29 | any way have to work else dhcp client can't receive the ip
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| 12:30 | <laprag> is there another network card in the machine?
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| 12:30 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> no
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| 12:30 | just that
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| 12:31 | <laprag> might be that the card is not supported by linux
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| 12:31 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> why not the card catch the ip receive from dhcp-server
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| 12:31 | <laprag> do you get an IP when the machine boots?
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| 12:31 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> course
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| 12:32 | kernel start to up
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| 12:32 | and stop
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| 12:32 | when said
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| 12:32 | running /linuxproc
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| 12:32 | no
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| 12:32 | running /linuxrc
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| 12:32 | mounting /proc
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| 12:32 | then stop
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| 12:32 | said that error
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| 12:32 | kenel panic below
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| 12:32 | i check the option-128 and 129
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| 12:32 | dhcp-server restart ok
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| 12:33 | but continues with errors
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| 12:36 | <laprag> in addition to the lines you showed
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| 12:36 | for option blah
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| 12:37 | you need another two lines for the client in question
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| 12:37 | example:
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| 12:37 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> option root-path "192.168.0.1:/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 12:37 | option option-128 code 128 = string;
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| 12:37 | option option-129 code 129 = text;
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| 12:37 | <laprag> option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00;
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| 12:37 | option option-129 "NIC=3c59x";
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| 12:38 | but you need to know what the card is for this to work
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| 12:38 | usually the kernel is as good as you to figure out the card
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| 12:38 | so chances are that client will be a problem for you
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| 12:40 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ahh then string stay or have to override with MAC?
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| 12:40 | and Text same.
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| 12:40 | <ogra_> thats not a MAC
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| 12:40 | <laprag> that is not a MAC
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| 12:40 | <ogra_> you have to have all four lines
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| 12:40 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> what is that?
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| 12:40 | <ogra_> a hex code
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| 12:40 | <laprag> it never changes, always the same
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| 12:40 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ah ok
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| 12:41 | so add the next 2
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| 12:41 | <ogra_> right
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| 12:41 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ok
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| 12:41 | <laprag> BUT
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| 12:41 | <ogra_> and put the right driver name into the NIC= line
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| 12:41 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> where i found that
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| 12:41 | <laprag> you need to know the card and the driver
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| 12:41 | as ogra_ says
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| 12:42 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> where or how can i got that hex code
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| 12:42 | <ogra_> just copy and paste it
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| 12:42 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ok
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| 12:42 | <ogra_> its the on eyou need
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| 12:42 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ah ok
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| 12:43 | <ogra_> then find out manufacturer and model of your builtin network card, find out th edirver name for that card and put it into th eNIC= line
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| 12:43 | <marcoctba78> hi
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| 12:44 | my printer on terminal ltsp5 ubuntu6.1, still with messenger "Network host '10.1.1.168' is busy; will retry in 20 seconds...
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| 12:44 | anybody have ideia
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| 12:44 | ?
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| 12:44 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> well .. rebooting
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| 12:44 | let c now
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| 12:44 | :|
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| 12:45 | <ogra_> marcoctba78, set a root apssword with: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
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| 12:45 | then log in as root on the client and check if lp_server is running
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| 12:46 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> i see TRL8111B/8168B thats the onboard
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| 12:46 | <marcoctba78> ok
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| 12:46 | <ogra_> the code for printing in ltsp 5 is 100% identical with the 4.x code
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| 12:46 | so it *should* work
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| 12:47 | s/on the client/on the client console (tty1)/
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| 12:47 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ethernet
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| 12:47 | RTL i mean
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| 12:48 | <laprag> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: does google tell you what driver linux assigns to that card?
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| 12:49 | <marcoctba78> i put in lts.conf [00:0B:6A:F3:A5:FF]
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| 12:49 | PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0
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| 12:50 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> no when i rebooting PXE said.
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| 12:50 | <aseigo> jammcq: ping?
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| 12:50 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> For Realtek RTL8111B/8168B Gigabit Ethernet Controller v2.03
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| 12:51 | <laprag> aseigo: he's out to lunch
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| 12:51 | <aseigo> laprag: damn =) thanks..
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| 12:51 | <laprag> :)
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| 12:52 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> laprag: ?
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| 12:52 | <ogra_> i think the RTL8111B needs the r1000 driver which isnt in linux yet ...
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| 12:53 | <dan__t> er... this is correct
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| 12:53 | i just got one the other day
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| 12:53 | but mine's an RTL8110 - uses the same driver.
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| 12:53 | <marcoctba78> no print
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| 12:54 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> so what i type at dhcpd.conf ? :|
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| 12:54 | and what hex code
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| 12:54 | <ogra_> sh3mh4mf0r4sh, it wont work
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| 12:54 | there is no driver for your network card
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| 12:54 | no matter what you configure in dhcpd.conf
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| 12:55 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> so have to connect a netcard more old
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| 12:55 | ?
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| 12:55 | <ogra_> a different one ...
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| 12:55 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> uhmm
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| 12:55 | tha's a bad news to my boss
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| 12:55 | :\
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| 12:55 | ok
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| 12:55 | <ogra_> http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=5&PFid=5&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false#RTL8111B/RTL8168B/RTL8111/RTL8168
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| 12:56 | there is a linux driver
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| 12:56 | <laprag> but it's not in kernel yet?
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| 12:56 | <ogra_> but thats a heavy amount of work to get it into the kernel image
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| 12:56 | and it might be unstable as hell
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| 12:56 | <laprag> hmmm, I have one on my laptop
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| 12:57 | /lib/modules/2.6.17-10-generic/kernel/drivers/net/r1000.ko
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| 12:57 | not in use so I cannot say if it's stable
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| 12:58 | <ogra_> what distro is that ?
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| 12:59 | debian ?
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| 12:59 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> well my debian only have in that just r8169.ko
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| 13:00 | <laprag> ogra_: ubuntu edgy
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| 13:00 | <ogra_> hmm, intresting, it seems to be in the ubuntu kernel images up to 2.6.17
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| 13:00 | but seems it was dropped in any newer one
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| 13:00 | probably to unstable
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| 13:02 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> have an e1000
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| 13:02 | that dhcp log said
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| 13:03 | and lsmod said same e1000
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| 13:03 | <ogra_> i just talked to the kernel guys ... seems r8169 replaces r1000
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| 13:03 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> what hex code is e1000?
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| 13:03 | <ogra_> in kernels newer than 2.6.17
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| 13:04 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> how can i see the hex code of any eth?
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| 13:05 | <ogra_> you need the driver loaded and use a tool ...
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| 13:05 | or if you are lucky its printed on the card
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| 13:06 | (or the mainboary in your case of an onboard card)
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| 13:07 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> what tool?
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| 13:07 | <ogra_> ifconfig for example
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| 13:07 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> of course
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| 13:07 | i see :)
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| 13:09 | <ogra_> the MAC adress wont help you
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| 13:09 | you need to get the driver loaded
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| 13:09 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> well
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| 13:09 | hex code is correct
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| 13:09 | just left me the correct driver
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| 13:09 | <ogra_> (i'd rather use a different NIC)
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| 13:10 | <ogra_> apart from that, this card should be PXE booting
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| 13:10 | <marcoctba78> /usr/lib/cups/backend/socket failed
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| 13:10 | <ogra_> aetting option-12{8,9} wont change anything with that
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| 13:11 | PXE doesnt use these options at all
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| 13:11 | marcoctba78, cups ?
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| 13:11 | <marcoctba78> yes
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| 13:11 | <ogra_> marcoctba78, there is no cups on the clients
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| 13:11 | either installed nor running
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| 13:11 | *neither
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| 13:12 | <marcoctba78> on ltsp 4.1 it works
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| 13:12 | <ogra_> there is no cups server on the client not in 4.x nor in 5.x
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| 13:12 | <marcoctba78> i upgrade last week
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| 13:12 | <ogra_> the only printing related app running on the client is lp_server
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| 13:13 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> erm i use 4.2
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| 13:13 | <marcoctba78> and how you add printer?
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| 13:13 | in system, printing ...
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| 13:13 | <ogra_> right
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| 13:14 | <laprag> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: which hex are you talking about?
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| 13:14 | <marcoctba78> so, i choose printing on network
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| 13:14 | <ogra_> doubleclick on "new printer"
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| 13:14 | <marcoctba78> ok
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| 13:14 | <ogra_> wait until the annoying db building is done ...
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| 13:14 | *sigh*
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| 13:14 | ah
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| 13:14 | on the next screen select "network printer"
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| 13:15 | <marcoctba78> ok
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| 13:15 | <ogra_> in the pulldown select "HP Jetdirect"
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| 13:15 | <marcoctba78> ok
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| 13:15 | <ogra_> for the host just add the ip of the client the printer is attached to
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| 13:15 | <ogra_> the port can stay at 9100
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| 13:15 | * PMantis is OT again | |
| 13:15 | <ogra_> now click forward, select the right driver and tahst it :)
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| 13:16 | <marcoctba78> so
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| 13:16 | i m do it
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| 13:16 | and not print
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| 13:16 | <PMantis> Anyone know how to get `stat filename` to give me how long ago a file was modified, not the timestanp?
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| 13:17 | manpage not helping, and I can' think of a way to stack commands to get what I want.
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| 13:17 | <ogra_> works here, tested with 4 usb and two parallel printers (HP, epson and lexmark)
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| 13:17 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:17:31:AD:9E:02
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| 13:17 | <marcoctba78> in boot, the printer is identified, hp deskhet 952c, i do this steps but not work
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| 13:18 | deskjet....
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| 13:18 | <ogra_> i have a dskjet 3320 here ...
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| 13:18 | works flawless
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| 13:18 | usb ..
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| 13:18 | on edgy
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| 13:18 | <marcoctba78> i try with 952c, laserjet 1100 and not work
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| 13:19 | <ogra_> did you use the same driver in 4.2 ?
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| 13:19 | <laprag> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: right, and where do you use that? not in option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; I hope
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| 13:19 | <ogra_> (or which driver are you using at all ? )
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| 13:20 | marcoctba78, did you check that lp_server is running on the client ?
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| 13:20 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> erm i overwrite e4:45:blabla
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| 13:20 | why?
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| 13:20 | <marcoctba78> in client?
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| 13:21 | but it is ltsp...
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| 13:21 | if i put printer in server its works normaly
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| 13:21 | <ogra_> follow the procedure i described 30min ago to set a rootpw
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| 13:21 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> laprag: the e4:45 is obligatory?
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| 13:21 | <laprag> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: why what?
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| 13:21 | <marcoctba78> i do
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| 13:21 | <ogra_> then ctrl-alt-f1 on the client and log in
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| 13:21 | check if lp_server is running
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| 13:21 | <laprag> sh3mh4mf0r4sh: tried to explain that earlier, yes
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| 13:22 | option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00;
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| 13:22 | is always the line
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| 13:22 | <ogra_> sh3mh4mf0r4sh, neither of the option- entries is read by PXE
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| 13:22 | you dont need them
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| 13:22 | they are only for etherboot
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| 13:22 | and your card surely has PXE support
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| 13:22 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> look
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| 13:23 | start from begin
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| 13:23 | my dhcpd.conf
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| 13:23 | <ogra_> how does your network card boot ?
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| 13:23 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> option root-path "192.168.0.1:/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 13:23 | option option-128 code 128 = string;
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| 13:23 | option option-128 00:17:31:AD:9E:02;
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| 13:23 | option option-129 code 129 = text;
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| 13:23 | option option-129 "NIC=e1000";
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| 13:23 | <ogra_> do you use a bootfloppie ?
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| 13:23 | <marcoctba78> on client in shell don't logon
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| 13:23 | <ogra_> or does it boot from the mainboard bios via PXE ?
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| 13:23 | <marcoctba78> don accept user and password, only in graffic mode
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| 13:23 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> my hex code i see with ifconfig
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| 13:23 | <marcoctba78> yes
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| 13:24 | via PXE
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| 13:24 | <ogra_> marcoctba78, did you follow my instructions to set a password i gave you when we talked 30min ago ?
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| 13:24 | <marcoctba78> i do
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| 13:24 | <ogra_> then log in as root with the password you have set
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| 13:25 | <marcoctba78> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
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| 13:25 | <ogra_> sh3mh4mf0r4sh, how does your networkcard boot ? from a floppy ?
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| 13:25 | marcoctba78, right
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| 13:25 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> no
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| 13:25 | direct by option of boot
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| 13:25 | bios
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| 13:25 | <ogra_> sh3mh4mf0r4sh, so it uses PXE from the BIOS
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| 13:25 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> yes
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| 13:25 | <ogra_> then adding lines with option option-128 or option option-129 wnt be used at all
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| 13:25 | no need that you add them to your dhcpd.conf
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| 13:26 | these options are only used for etherboot (booting from a floppy etc)
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| 13:26 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> the lines are added
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| 13:26 | <ogra_> but you dont need them
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| 13:26 | and they are not used
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| 13:27 | <marcoctba78> ok, i logon as root in shell mode
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| 13:27 | on client
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| 13:27 | <laprag> ogra_: I think you must be the most patient man I know
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| 13:27 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> what not need?
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| 13:27 | <ogra_> marcoctba78, look with "ps ax" and see if you find lp_server in the processlist
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| 13:28 | laprag, years of telephone support experience :)
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| 13:28 | <laprag> I believe you :)
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| 13:28 | <ogra_> sh3mh4mf0r4sh, kernel options for PXE booting are set in the pxelinux.cfg/default file
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| 13:29 | <marcoctba78> don't have
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| 13:29 | <ogra_> if you are using any 4.x version of ltsp that will be somewhere under /tftpboot
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| 13:29 | marcoctba78, aha ...
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| 13:29 | <marcoctba78> that is...
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| 13:29 | <ogra_> marcoctba78, can you paste your lts.conf to a pastebin ...
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| 13:30 | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for example
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| 13:30 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ogra_: what have to type at pxelinux.cfg ?
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| 13:30 | <marcoctba78> #SERVER = 10.1.1.1
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| 13:30 | [default]
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| 13:30 | X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Microsoft"
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| 13:30 | X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/ttyS0"
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| 13:30 | X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 50
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| 13:30 | X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 2
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| 13:30 | X_MOUSE_EMULATE3BTN = Y
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| 13:30 | XKBLAYOUT = br
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| 13:30 | <ogra_> marcoctba78, ARGH !!!!!!!!!!!1
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| 13:30 | <marcoctba78> #[impressora]
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| 13:30 | <ogra_> please !
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| 13:30 | <marcoctba78> #[00:E0:4C:77:98:B1]
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| 13:30 | [00:0B:6A:F3:A5:FF]
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| 13:30 | # PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0
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| 13:30 | <dan__t> heh
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| 13:30 | <ogra_> read the topic !!
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| 13:30 | <marcoctba78> # SCREEN_07=shell
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| 13:30 | PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0
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| 13:30 | PRINTER_0_TYPE = P
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| 13:30 | #PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usblp0
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| 13:30 | PRINTER_0_PORT = 9100
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| 13:30 | #SOUND = true
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| 13:30 | #PRINTER_0_TYPE = P
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| 13:30 | #Balcao
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| 13:31 | [00:02:44:16:A1:B0]
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| 13:31 | XKBLAYOUT = en
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| 13:31 | <dan__t> nice
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| 13:31 | <marcoctba78> rsrrs
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| 13:31 | <ogra_> PLEASE PLEASE use a PASTEBIN !
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| 13:31 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ogra_: what have to type at pxelinux.cfg ?
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| 13:32 | <ogra_> marcoctba78, [00:0B:6A:F3:A5:FF] is definatey the right MAC ?
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| 13:32 | *definately
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| 13:32 | <marcoctba78> whatis a patsebin, sorry... hehe
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| 13:32 | yes.. its a MAC
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| 13:33 | <ogra_> <ogra_> marcoctba78, can you paste your lts.conf to a pastebin ...
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| 13:33 | <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ for example
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| 13:33 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ogra_: what have to type at pxelinux.cfg ?
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| 13:33 | <marcoctba78> a MAC is correctly
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| 13:33 | <ogra_> i see that it is *a* MAC
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| 13:33 | aha :)
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| 13:34 | you said its a usb printer ?
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| 13:34 | <marcoctba78> rsrsrs, ok...
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| 13:34 | what syntax i choose?
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| 13:35 | is a parallel printer
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| 13:35 | <ogra_> try dropping PRINTER_0_TYPE and PRINTER_0_PORT
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| 13:35 | only keep PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0
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| 13:35 | reboot the client and check again if lp_server runs
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| 13:36 | <Gadi> ogra_: ping
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| 13:37 | <g333k_work> Hi, is there a way to re-assign the sessions of the clients of a broken ltsp server to another server?
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| 13:37 | <ogra_> Gadi, hey
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| 13:37 | <Gadi> hey, ogra_: are either of these planned for feisty: XDMCP+localdev or ldm+separate ssh servers ?
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| 13:38 | <ogra_> nope
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| 13:38 | <g333k_work> Hi, is there a way to re-assign the sessions of the broken ltsp server's clients to another server?
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| 13:38 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ogra_: what have to type at pxelinux.cfg ?
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| 13:38 | <ogra_> and the first might never happen
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| 13:38 | simply because we will get a nonencrypted ssh mode
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| 13:38 | <laprag> g333k_work: pls explain a little better
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| 13:38 | <Gadi> really? why not?
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| 13:38 | <g333k_work> laprag, ok
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| 13:38 | <Gadi> ah
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| 13:38 | <ogra_> which is as fast as XDMCP
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| 13:38 | <Gadi> has scotty stopped working on it?
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| 13:38 | <ogra_> but has all the ssh advatages
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| 13:38 | i thik so
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> "as fast" in terms of video, too?
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| 13:39 | <marcoctba78> ok, but no work
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| 13:39 | <ogra_> in fact he's running legalaid on ssh
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> I thought he had legalaid on XDMCP
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| 13:39 | <ogra_> (a patched version that allows cipher=none already)
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| 13:39 | <marcoctba78> Network host '10.1.1.168' is busy;
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| 13:39 | <Gadi> ah
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| 13:39 | <ogra_> Gadi, he switched to edgy recently ...
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| 13:40 | <Gadi> right. but at first it was edgy+XDMCP
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| 13:40 | <ogra_> i dont hink it was edgy at all
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| 13:40 | i thinkit was dapper and 4.2
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| 13:40 | * Gadi shrugs | |
| 13:41 | <ogra_> marcoctba78, so is lp_server running ?
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| 13:41 | <marcoctba78> no
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| 13:41 | * Gadi puts into his dev side burner to patch ldm for other ssh servers... | |
| 13:41 | <Gadi> for feisty
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| 13:41 | gigabytes has joined #ltsp | |
| 13:41 | <Gadi> i know i keep saying it
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| 13:42 | but you guys dev so fast, i need to make sure i hit the right target ;)
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| 13:42 | <marcoctba78> no appears with ps ax
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| 13:42 | <ogra_> marcoctba78, can yu check if /dev/lp0 exists ?
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| 13:42 | <g333k_work> I'll describe the situation: I have two identicals LTSP Servers called LTSP1 and LTSP2, Now I have 10 clients connected to the LTSP1, if LTSP1 dies, is there a way to re-connect the 10 clients to the LTSP2 server?
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| 13:42 | <marcoctba78> exists :)
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| 13:42 | <g333k_work> laprag, there you go..
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| 13:43 | <ogra_> Gadi, avahi integration would be rad :)
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| 13:43 | <laprag> g333k_work: ho, tricky one.
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| 13:43 | <g333k_work> laprag, ?
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| 13:43 | <Gadi> ogra_: we come from different philosophies
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| 13:43 | mine is that only the admin tells a terminal where to go
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| 13:43 | <ogra_> marcoctba78, try running: /usr/lib/ltsp/lp_server -n 9100 -d /dev/lp0
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| 13:43 | <Gadi> not a user
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| 13:44 | <laprag> g333k_work: few apps are stateful and it would not work in practice
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| 13:44 | <ogra_> Gadi, well, getting desktop apps that dont have avahi or zerofonc support will be hard in the future :)
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| 13:44 | *ueroconf
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| 13:44 | ergh
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| 13:44 | *ZZZZZZZeroconf
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| 13:44 | <Gadi> i gotcha
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| 13:44 | but, those are apps
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| 13:44 | <ogra_> my keyboard didnt
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| 13:44 | <g333k_work> So what's the best solution to manage a group of clients with 2 or more LTSP servers?
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| 13:44 | <Gadi> not server sessions
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| 13:45 | <laprag> g333k_work: I assume you mean without losing data, perhaps even without users even noticing
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| 13:45 | <marcoctba78> dont have ltsp in /usr/lib
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| 13:45 | <g333k_work> send somebody to reset the terminals?
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| 13:45 | <ogra_> well, for ldm having it discover all available login servers would be a dcool thing
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| 13:45 | <Gadi> ogra_: depends on the environment
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| 13:45 | <ogra_> marcoctba78, you are still logged in on the client console ?
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| 13:45 | <g333k_work> laprag, noup... I dont care about the data.. I want the terminals alive again, after a server's failure
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| 13:45 | <ogra_> Gadi, right
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| 13:45 | <Gadi> I know places where it would be the worst thing in the world
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| 13:45 | <marcoctba78> eys
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| 13:46 | <pscheie> g333k_work: how frequently are you anticipating that your servers will die?
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| 13:46 | <ogra_> marcoctba78, and you are sure you use ltsp5 ?
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| 13:46 | <Gadi> g333k_work: you would need a statically linked shutdown binary copied into /tmp
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| 13:46 | <marcoctba78> i install on synaptic of ubuntu 6.10
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| 13:46 | <g333k_work> pscheie, nobody knows when their server is going to die right?
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| 13:47 | <marcoctba78> and i read that this ltsp native is ltsp5
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| 13:47 | <g333k_work> Gadi, can you tell me more about that?
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| 13:47 | <pscheie> right, but good hardware is pretty reliable. I just don't see server failure as very likely
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| 13:47 | unless you've got crummy hardware
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| 13:47 | <Gadi> g333k_work: well, you need a binary that you can call from RAM that will halt the system
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| 13:47 | <laprag> g333k_work: you would need to code it. Ping the server or something, if no answer restart X
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| 13:47 | <Gadi> that doesnt depend on any system libraries
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| 13:48 | <ogra_> Gadi, https://launchpad.net/python-ltsp btw :)
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| 13:48 | <Gadi> laprag: "restart" lives on NFS
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| 13:48 | <ogra_> contributins appreciated
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| 13:48 | <marcoctba78> this is the problem... with ltsp 4 everything works.. printers, usb, sound, but i have modify it
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| 13:48 | <Gadi> ogra_: when I go from talk to action, you'll be the first to get patches ;)
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| 13:48 | <ogra_> yay
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| 13:48 | it could get an ldm hook
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| 13:48 | <g333k_work> Gadi, is a client able to do some operations when its server is down?
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| 13:48 | <laprag> Gadi: ok, that's right
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| 13:48 | <Gadi> what is python-ltsp?
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| 13:49 | <ogra_> that automatically sets the theme or switches on clock or so ...
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| 13:49 | <Gadi> g333k_work: anything in RAM
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| 13:49 | <g333k_work> Gadi, I mean, when the server is halted
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| 13:49 | <pscheie> Gadi: "
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| 13:49 | A set of modules that make programming python based administration tools for ltsp an easy task"
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| 13:49 | <marcoctba78> i had debian sarge with ltsp 4, and now i install ubuntu, and caos is instaled
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| 13:49 | <Gadi> g333k_work: when NFS drops, all the client has is whats in memory
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| 13:50 | pscheie: heh
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| 13:50 | <ogra_> Gadi, import ltsp ... print ltsp.status.tftp() ... True
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| 13:50 | <Gadi> i think i read that on a website somewhere
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| 13:50 | <ogra_> things like that ...
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| 13:50 | <Gadi> ogra_: cool
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| 13:50 | <g333k_work> Gadi, ok, now lets imagine that I Have that "re-connection" script, how will the terminal know when to run it?
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| 13:51 | <Gadi> g333k_work: wasnt I having this conversation with you the other week, or was it someone else doing the same thing?
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| 13:51 | you would need to add the lines to the end of the screen script
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| 13:51 | <cliebow_> Gadi: you be willing to look over some thereal files if i send em to you?
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| 13:51 | <ogra_> Gadi, or:
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| 13:51 | <g333k_work> Gadi, maybe my co-worker....
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| 13:51 | <Gadi> as it would be running in RAM
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| 13:51 | <ogra_> >>> print ltsp.dictionary.videodrivers('/opt/ltsp/i386')
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| 13:51 | ['apm', 'ark', 'ati', 'atimisc', 'chips', 'cirrus', 'cyrix', 'dummy', 'fbdev', 'glint', 'i128', 'i740', 'i810', 'imstt', 'mga'
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| 13:51 | ---
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| 13:51 | <g333k_work> Gadi, jcaceres ?
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| 13:51 | <Gadi> yeah
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| 13:51 | thats him
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| 13:51 | <g333k_work> Gadi, well we are working in the same issue
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| 13:52 | Gadi, so what was the solution?
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| 13:53 | <ogra_> Gadi, python-ltsp is the one thing that wil make your life soo much easier for writing admin tools :)
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| 13:53 | <Gadi> I suggested that at the end of the screen script he have some lines that once the X session goes down, if there was no user interaction in a certain amount of time, "shutdown" would be called
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| 13:53 | <ogra_> i plan a hook for everything in the chroot
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| 13:53 | <Gadi> but "shutdown" has to live in ramdisk
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| 13:53 | not on NFS
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| 13:54 | <g333k_work> Gadi, so?
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| 13:54 | <Gadi> so, you would need a statically linked shutdown binary that gets copied into /tmp on boot and that is called by the screen script
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| 13:54 | <ogra_> Gadi, just bind mount it
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| 13:55 | <Gadi> bind mount what?
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| 13:55 | <ogra_> add it to the bindfiles variable in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/default/ltsp-client-setup
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| 13:56 | then it will be moved t the ramdisk during boot
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| 13:56 | *to
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| 13:56 | <Gadi> whats "it"?
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| 13:56 | <ogra_> shutdown
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| 13:56 | <Gadi> bind mount to an NFS mount when NFS goes down, doesnt give you access to the binary from RAM
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| 13:57 | <ogra_> i'm not sure about that ...
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| 13:57 | <Gadi> ?
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| 13:57 | what, it caches it?
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| 13:57 | <ogra_> doesnt bind mount copy it to ram ?
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| 13:57 | <Gadi> I thought its just a pointer
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| 13:58 | <Gadi> thats why its instantaneous
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| 13:58 | <g333k_work> I'm confused nw
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| 13:58 | now*
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| 13:58 | <AbuSami> hi everybody :)
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| 13:59 | <ogra_> Gadi, well, in ltsp5 we first mount a tmpfs dir ...
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| 13:59 | <marcoctba78> i found lp_server in ./opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/
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| 13:59 | <ogra_> then copy the bindfiles over to that
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| 13:59 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> ogra_: what have to type at pxelinux.cfg ?
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| 13:59 | <ogra_> and bind mount them back to their original places
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| 13:59 | <Gadi> there ya go
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| 13:59 | you need to copy
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| 13:59 | <ogra_> so the binary actually sits oin the ramdisk
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| 13:59 | <Gadi> otherwise its a pointer
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| 13:59 | <ogra_> yeah
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| 14:00 | what i wanted to point out its that we have a fubction doing what you want available
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| 14:00 | <Gadi> so, that what im saying
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| 14:00 | ah, ok
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| 14:00 | <ogra_> by adding the filename to a variable
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| 14:00 | <Gadi> show-off! ;)
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| 14:00 | <ogra_> heh :)
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| 14:00 | <pscheie> ogra_: is that a ltsp-5 thing only?
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| 14:00 | <ogra_> pscheie, yep
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| 14:01 | <Gadi> g333k_work: but that's what you need to do. In absence of NFS, all you have is RAM
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| 14:01 | <pscheie> rats
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| 14:01 | <ogra_> but easy to implement in 4.x
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| 14:01 | <pscheie> One could put all kinds of neat things in there
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| 14:01 | <Gadi> so, if you want to shutdown/reboot the terminal in absence of NFS, you need a shutdown program to run that is in RAM
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| 14:01 | <ogra_> pscheie, thats how ltsp5 works ;)
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| 14:01 | <marcoctba78> ok guy, thanks, i have to go
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| 14:01 | <pscheie> how to implement in 4.x?
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| 14:02 | <Gadi> since the screen scripts are running in RAM, and are bash scripts, they can use bash commands in the absence of NFS to initiate the reboot
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| 14:02 | pscheie: in 4.x, you just copy if you need
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| 14:02 | or put the code in somewhere
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| 14:02 | <ogra_> pscheie, look at the ltsp5 code ... debian/ltsp-client.ltsp-client-setup.init has a function tthats called bind_mounts
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| 14:02 | <Gadi> :)
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| 14:03 | <ogra_> all yu need is this function in an initscript ...
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> LTSP5 doesnt do what g333k_work needs done, it just has some functions to help get stuff copied from NFS into RAM
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| 14:03 | <ogra_> and then you feed it with paths
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| 14:03 | (or filenames)
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| 14:04 | <Gadi> g333k_work: does that help?
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| 14:04 | <pscheie> k
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| 14:04 | <g333k_work> Gadi, Ok I understand some of waht you told me... the shutdown program you talk about is the existent shutdown program for linux right? now I need to copy it to RAM, then make some script call shutdown when the server is down?
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| 14:05 | <ogra_> pscheie, if you write neat things let me know so we can consider them for ltsp5 :)
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| 14:05 | <Gadi> g333k_work: not exactly
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| 14:05 | on your server, type: ldd /sbin/shutdown
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| 14:05 | <pscheie> ogra_: what interests me at the moment is putting shutdown in there, along with Don Beckers pci-config tool
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| 14:06 | <pscheie> to try to get the NIC on some dell laptops to shutdown but leave their onboard NIC in a wake-on-lan ready state
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| 14:06 | <g333k_work> Gadi, linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000)
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| 14:06 | libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xb7ea2000)
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| 14:06 | /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7fe6000)
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| 14:06 | <pscheie> supposedly, pci-config does this, but it shuts down the nic driver
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> exactly
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| 14:07 | g333k_work: that tells you that shutdown needs those libraries in order to work
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| 14:07 | <pscheie> causes problems on an root-over-NFS system like TCs
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> now, since /lib for the thin lcinet is on NFS that doesn't work too well
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| 14:07 | <g333k_work> Gadi, so I need those libraries to RAM too
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> well, not exactly
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| 14:08 | <pscheie> I'll let you know if I get the nut cracked
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| 14:08 | <Gadi> because you won't have the dynamic library loading stuff to tell the program to load the libraries
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| 14:08 | so, your best bet is to "statically" compile shutdown
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| 14:08 | or a similar executable
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| 14:08 | so it does not need other libraries to work
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| 14:08 | <g333k_work> Gadi, I see now
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| 14:09 | <Gadi> and then copy that executable into RAM
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| 14:09 | make sense?
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| 14:09 | <g333k_work> Gadi, you mean create a standalone shutdown
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| 14:09 | <Gadi> exactly
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| 14:09 | <g333k_work> Gadi, ok, everything cool so far
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| 14:09 | <Gadi> all shutdown has to do is halt the system and send the correct interrupt
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| 14:10 | so, if not "shutdown" exactly, maybe "halt" or one of the other sysinit kinds of utilities
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| 14:10 | <g333k_work> Gadi, I'd prefer a reboot instead a shutdown
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| 14:10 | <Gadi> its usually the same execuatble
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| 14:10 | called with a different flag
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| 14:10 | like "-r"
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| 14:10 | <g333k_work> Gadi, now... how the terminal will call the standalone shutdown?
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| 14:10 | <Gadi> with code at the end of the scrreen script
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| 14:10 | for example:
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| 14:11 | if you put code at the end of "startx", that code will be executed only after an X session dies and needs to be respawned
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| 14:11 | so, if you add some command to wait a few seconds for someone to hit "Enter", and if no one hits anything, reboot, you should be good
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| 14:12 | I would add the user intervention so that the thin client doesnt reboot *EVERY* time X dies and needs to be respawned
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| 14:12 | <g333k_work> Gadi, that's what I want
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| 14:12 | <Gadi> that could get annoying
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| 14:13 | even easier then
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| 14:13 | <g333k_work> Gadi, That my clients reboot til they find some server to connect to
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| 14:13 | <Gadi> just add a call to "shutdown -r" (or similar) at the end of startx
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| 14:14 | but, if you want user intervention, use "read and echo" with appropriate timeouts
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| 14:14 | <g333k_work> ok... let me try it and I will tell the results ok?, 1st Learn to compile a static program :p
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| 14:14 | <Gadi> there ya go
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| 14:14 | good luck
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| 14:14 | <g333k_work> Gadi, Thanks
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| 14:15 | <Gadi> np - let us know if you get it going
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| 14:16 | also, be careful doing it in a production environment ;)
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| 14:17 | <cliebow_> Gadi: care to look at some ethereal captures?
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> sure, why not. But, keep in mind, I turn into a pumpkin real soon
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| 14:18 | <cliebow_> me too..can i mail you a tar file?
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> its alread 3:16PM EST
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| 14:18 | please
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| 14:18 | <cliebow_> and 30 seconds
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| 14:18 | <Gadi> gadi at ltsp.org
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| 14:19 | ogra_: you still here?
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| 14:20 | <ogra_> yep
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| 14:20 | and dont complain abut 3:16
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| 14:20 | <Gadi> how come when I open the ldm glade file in glade, it doesnt show any widgets?
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| 14:20 | <cliebow_> done.. i think
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| 14:20 | <ogra_> its 9:16pm here :)
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| 14:20 | <g333k_work> Gadi, now... when my client reboot it will going to find the dhcp offer of my second ltsp server, but it will have a different IP of the first one, will it load well?
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| 14:20 | <ogra_> Gadi, because glade cant handle gnomecanvas
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| 14:20 | <Gadi> g333k_work: when it reboots, it will have no IP
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| 14:21 | ogra_: ah....
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| 14:21 | that was bugging the heck out of me
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| 14:21 | did you code those widgets by hand?
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| 14:21 | <cliebow_> g333k_work: keep an eye out..when i was troubleshooting i exhausted all my available ip addys
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| 14:21 | <ogra_> i want to get rid of gnomecanvas since quite some time
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| 14:21 | but havent found a good alternative yet
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| 14:21 | i want full svg support for the themes
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| 14:21 | <Gadi> what does gdm use?
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| 14:22 | <ogra_> gnomecanvas
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| 14:22 | and some xml magic
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| 14:22 | but gnomecanvas is huge
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| 14:22 | and slow
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| 14:22 | <Gadi> yeah. thats the other thing I need to patch if Im gonna move my SBAs to feisty LTSP
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| 14:22 | and ldm
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| 14:23 | <ogra_> all we need is an svg interpreter and some widgets for input etc
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> all I need is a good book for reference ;)
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| 14:23 | <ogra_> the problem is the wideget placement
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| 14:23 | thats where gnomecanvas comes in
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| 14:23 | <Gadi> would it help if you copied the themes and images to RAM before running ldm?
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| 14:23 | <ogra_> you can dynamically replace the widgets so it scales very nice ...
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| 14:24 | they still need to come from NFS
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| 14:24 | <cliebow_> Gadi: i shipped that out..did you get it?
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| 14:24 | <Gadi> yeah, but they could come all at once
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| 14:24 | <ogra_> the real solution is to have vector themes
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| 14:24 | <Gadi> without NFS requests back and forth
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| 14:24 | cliebow_: just got it
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| 14:24 | <cliebow_> 8~)
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| 14:25 | <ogra_> but themeing wasnt the highest prio with ldm on my list ... things like proper autologin are more important ...
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| 14:26 | or server selection ...
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| 14:26 | <Gadi> I dont care about themes
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| 14:26 | <ogra_> or even a configuartion file
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| 14:26 | <Gadi> I care about speed
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| 14:26 | <ogra_> well, you care about speed
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| 14:26 | if you wipe all themeing ldm is breezingly fast
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| 14:26 | <Gadi> I want feistily fast ;)
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| 14:26 | <ogra_> haha
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| 14:27 | i wont have the time to work on ldm before feature freeze
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| 14:27 | (which is feb 8th)
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| 14:27 | so it will be feisty+1
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| 14:27 | <Gadi> feb 8!
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| 14:27 | wow
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| 14:27 | thats soon
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| 14:27 | what are you doing here?
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| 14:27 | ;)
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| 14:27 | <ogra_> relaxing
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| 14:27 | i work since 10am
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| 14:28 | <Gadi> whatever floats your boat, as we say
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| 14:28 | <ogra_> doing a bit support is always relaxing me ... dunno why ...
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| 14:29 | <Gadi> ok. cliebow_ what am I looking at/for?
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| 14:29 | <ogra_> no, atually i'm poking around with pam_ldap, pam_mount and sshfs
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| 14:29 | sadly openssh and pam_mount dont like each other very much ...
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| 14:29 | <cliebow_> gadi:Hate to bother you..but this idriving me nuts..
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| 14:29 | <Gadi> we're not looking for NSA passwords or anything are we?
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| 14:30 | <cliebow_> Gadi:if you look at bondifromwin you see successfuly beginnning of tftp where a win machine provides the info
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| 14:30 | g3fromlinux is successful boot from linux dcp on g3
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| 14:31 | <cliebow_> g3 from win is failed attempt to start tftp from windows..ive combed over it so much maybe im not seeing why tftp wont start from win on a g3
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| 14:32 | g3 seems to produce those 31 malformed packets consistently in g3 and g4
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| 14:33 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> hey my initram have inside the r8169 but keep going unload the net module
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| 14:33 | <Gadi> cliebow_: these things make your head spin
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| 14:33 | are your thin clients on 10.10.0?
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| 14:33 | <cliebow_> driving me crazy..it should just work
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| 14:34 | yes.10.10.10.254 is server
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| 14:34 | the 192 stuff is my lappie booting a g3
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| 14:34 | since 10.10.10.254 runs dhcp on 1001/2
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| 14:35 | <sh3mh4mf0r4sh> hey some one ca help me!!!!
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| 14:35 | <dan__t> Anyone using LTSP on any of those HP thin clients?
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| 14:36 | <g333k_work> Gadi, where do I get the shutdown source file?
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| 14:36 | <ogra_> Gadi, oh, btw: http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/testtcm.png and http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/tcm2.png
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| 14:36 | <g333k_work> from?
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| 14:36 | <cliebow_> i think Gadi's head is spinning atm
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| 14:36 | <dan__t> Like these: http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/12454-321959-89307-338927-89307-472257.html
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| 14:37 | <g333k_work> lol
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| 14:37 | <dan__t> ogra_, like I've said before, I'd be happy to test things like that out for you.
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| 14:37 | I'd offer more, but alas, I do not code :)
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| 14:38 | <Gadi> cliebow_: it just looks like its not making the TFTP request
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| 14:38 | perhaps the dhcp server is not providing it with the info?
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| 14:38 | <ogra_> dan__t, yep, should be availiable during the weekend ... i'm not done reviewing the code yet
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| 14:38 | <cliebow_> looks to me like it is not doing next-server
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| 14:38 | <dan__t> Very cool. very, very cool.
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| 14:38 | <cliebow_> ?
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| 14:38 | <dan__t> Hell, I'll even write documentation.
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| 14:39 | <Gadi> ogra_: cute. is that all vnc magic?
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| 14:39 | <ogra_> yes, vcn as well
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| 14:39 | and a lot of dbus
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| 14:39 | <cliebow_> dan__t: you can always workon the wiki for documentation..
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| 14:40 | <dan__t> That's a good start.
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| 14:40 | <Gadi> ogra_: very cool
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| 14:40 | <ogra_> pete is moving all backend functions to a python-tcm (thinclient-manager) i plan to merge that into python-ltsp
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| 14:40 | <Gadi> ldm dependent?
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| 14:40 | <ogra_> so in the future you only need python-ltsp and have access to all that functionality
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| 14:41 | it will surely have an ldm module, yes ... but nobody forces you to use it :)
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| 14:42 | the lts.conf parser alone is enugh to use it :)
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| 14:43 | oh, and if you want xdmcp functions, that can be added
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| 14:44 | currently the userlist is generated from checking open ssh X connections ... but we can add a switch
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| 14:44 | the dbus pieces that run in the users session and the frontend are generic
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| 14:44 | <cliebow_> ogra_:this is awesome..
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| 14:45 | <ogra_> and i think pete added a module that connects via ssh to remote servers now ...
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| 14:45 | so the frontend can be extended for multiple server management in feisty+1
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| 14:46 | <Gadi> ph call - 1 sec
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| 14:46 | <pscheie> ogra_: are those Screen Viewer views just snapshots of the user's desktop or are they realtime?
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| 14:46 | <ogra_> together with thinclient-configurator (ltsp-manager) we have a nice base of tools ...with the python-ltsp modules it should be easy to write webfrontends or CLI tools for maintenance
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| 14:46 | <pscheie> IOW, if the user starts up an app, is the view updated?
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| 14:47 | <ogra_> pscheie, realtime would kill your network with 10 users
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| 14:47 | <pscheie> that was my concern.
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| 14:47 | <ogra_> afaik he updates a screenshot every 10 secs
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| 14:47 | <pscheie> static shots is more than enough to be way cool
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| 14:48 | <ogra_> what we plan to do is having a "mouse over" effect that shows you a 640x480 popup in realtime
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| 14:48 | so you can hover over the classroom to see it realtime ... but one by one ...
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| 14:48 | <cliebow_> Gadi:thanks for looking..guess im gonna book it for homee
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| 14:48 | <dan__t> Hrm, alright, I'm getting ready to add a printer to a client. The wiki doesn't really detail this, but does the printer *need* to support JetDirect?
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| 14:49 | <ogra_> no
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| 14:49 | <pscheie> dan__t: I don't think so; the client acts as the JetDirect
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| 14:49 | interface
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| 14:49 | <dan__t> Interesting.
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| 14:49 | That's pretty bad-ass.
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| 14:49 | Know what, this whole thing is fscking awesome.
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| 14:50 | <ogra_> the client forwrds all data from port 9100 to /dev/lpsomething
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| 14:50 | <dan__t> I'm very very impressed, I really am.
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| 14:50 | ok, excellent.
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| 14:50 | <ogra_> totally dumb procedure
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| 14:50 | <ogra_> but ingenious if you quickly want to build a printserver :)
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| 14:51 | <dan__t> Yes.
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| 14:54 | <cliebow_> dan__t: you said it...i've had some hand-holding by this group at 7 in the mornng on a Sunday..
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| 15:00 | <Gadi> sorry guys - gotta run, too. Have good weekend, all
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| 15:07 | <dan__t> said what, cliebow?
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| 15:21 | hah!
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| 15:21 | works like a CHARM!
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| 15:23 | <GiantPickle> Has anyone in here had experience running win4lin with ltsp?
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| 15:25 | <dan__t> Nosir. Are you doing it?
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| 15:25 | <GiantPickle> I is... had no problems using the Win9x version of Win4Lin terminal server
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| 15:25 | WinXP version seems to have issues
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| 15:26 | but I don't know if it is just win4lin slowness (known) or if it is something additional to do with my ltsp setup
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| 15:27 | I shall keep tweakin'
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| 16:55 | <jcaceres> hello, i have a question, i had full working ltsp hola
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| 16:56 | hello, i have a question, i had full working ltsp server, i have cloned this server, i have change the configuration of this new server
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| 16:57 | setting up the macs an also changing the dhcp.conf file
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| 16:59 | but aparently it is not fingding the new nfs in server, btw, i had to change the ip of this new server to another one
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| 16:59 | the intentios was to have 2 servers in the same lan
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| 16:59 | waht else should i change in the clonned ltsp server?
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| 17:10 | <jcaceres> nop
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