00:00 | <xekhz> im having a little problem with sound and ltsp5
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00:00 | i have really slow thiclients and with rdesktop i cant get sound working properly, all the clients have same sound card
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00:02 | <razielle_tzu> do you get any sound at all?
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00:03 | <xekhz> yes..
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00:04 | but if a open a session with 2 different users only one can use sound..
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00:06 | <razielle_tzu> !sound
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00:06 | <ltsp`> sound: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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00:07 | <razielle_tzu> aside from google this is the only thing i can think of, i don't know enough about the issue to be of help
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07:53 | <xekhz> good day...
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07:54 | yeastarday i droped a question..
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07:54 | how can i have more then one client via rdesktop using sound ?
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07:57 | <pxeguy> yo alkisg
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08:00 | <xekhz> anyone awake ? :)
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08:01 | * ToeiRei looks at xekhz... | |
08:01 | <ToeiRei> don't think so
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08:04 | but, I'd just ask and see if your question wakes up someone who knows
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08:04 | <xekhz> how can i have more then one client via rdesktop using sound ?
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08:05 | <ToeiRei> so your setup is a LTSP Client that connects to a windows server, right?
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08:06 | <xekhz> yes
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08:06 | sorry linux server
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08:07 | <ToeiRei> I'm not aware of linux being able to speak rdp server ^^
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08:07 | <highvoltage> xrdp
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08:07 | <ToeiRei> I know that it can be a client, but hey - something new ;)
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08:08 | <xekhz> yes xrdp
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08:09 | <ToeiRei> okay... this scares me: Nov 10, 2013: Xrdp 0.6.1 has been officially released. (latest release)
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08:10 | <xekhz> me to
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08:10 | ...
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08:14 | <ToeiRei> xekhz: just checked my distro here. Last package was made 2015. Scary.
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08:16 | looks like they're using vnc as a bridge to access the desktop session
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08:18 | so just a shot into the dark: can you access your server using vnc?
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08:21 | <xekhz> never tried
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08:21 | but my problem is only sound related
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08:22 | i have 15 clients and i want all of them to have sound
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08:22 | <ToeiRei> alright - didn't get that from the first problem description...
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08:22 | <xekhz> everything works except usb auto mounting and sound
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08:25 | <ToeiRei> what does nmap -p 4713 <client ip> say?
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08:25 | I suppose it's using pulseaudio - so that bugger has to be listening
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08:25 | also pulseaudio -vvv might give you some clues (and tons of output)
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08:27 | <xekhz> let me do that.. 2 minutes
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08:28 | <ToeiRei> I have to admit I do not have a clue about the whole ltsp stuff - but I know a few basics from building linux machines from scratch
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08:28 | so... yeah - I can only give you a few things to check
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08:32 | <xekhz> i wanted to use RDP because my thiclient only has 512mb and 1GHZ of cpu speed
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08:32 | and is very slow playing youtube videos
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08:33 | with rdesktop it works better , but the first client grabs the sound.
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08:34 | <ToeiRei> what about the pulseaudio results?
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08:35 | <pxeguy> yo guys, I'm busy testing out a fat client and once it finishes loading the kernel and devices, it just goes to a black screen. The only way around this is to use nomodeset
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08:36 | but nomodeset screws up the resolution.
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08:36 | I've tried from virtual box and it works fine with the resolution I've set
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08:36 | <xekhz> pulse audio 4713 on the client is LISTENING
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08:37 | <ToeiRei> okay. That's why any client is able to grab the sound if it's the 1st one
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08:38 | so it's something with the pulseaudio stuff at the server
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08:39 | <xekhz> i thought that when i connect via rdp the server would redirect the sound to the client..
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08:40 | ON the server there is no pulseAUDIO
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08:40 | listening state is on the client
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08:40 | <ToeiRei> something on the server sends the sound to the client
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08:41 | <xekhz> it should, but it dosent..
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08:42 | -r sound:local
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08:42 | -r sound:remote
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08:42 | both parameters of rdesktop, make the first client grab the sound card of the server
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08:43 | <ToeiRei> what's your distro?
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08:43 | ubuntu?
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08:43 | <xekhz> yes
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08:43 | <ToeiRei> looks like bug 66735 to me
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08:43 | that's at least what you describe
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08:44 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/66735
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08:45 | <xekhz> that bug is related to LDM login.
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08:45 | no rdesktop
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08:48 | not rdesktop
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08:48 | <ToeiRei> I'm currently compiling xrdp modules....
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08:54 | <cyberorg> xekhz, https://github.com/neutrinolabs/xrdp/wiki/Audio-Output-Virtual-Channel-support-in-xrdp
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08:55 | xekhz, if you use normal ssh connection then sound will work out of the box, any particular reason you want to use rdp?
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08:56 | <xekhz> when im using LDM login the youtube video have huge frame drop
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08:57 | and i can only use xfce to have a stable working env with LDM login.
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08:57 | with rdp and mate-session it works much much better
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08:58 | <cyberorg> xekhz, you can install firefox in the chroot and use ltsp-localapps firefox
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08:58 | <ToeiRei> that way you swat two bugs at once....
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08:58 | you know WHO is downloading too much.
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08:58 | <xekhz> never tried.. will do it now...
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08:59 | <ToeiRei> xrdp seems to be a bit 'outdated' regarding encryption and everything...
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08:59 | <cyberorg> xekhz, best would be use fatclient mode for multimedia if your clients can handle it, need about 1G RAM
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09:00 | <xekhz> cybeorg, i have 15 thinclients 512Mb with 1GHz cpu..
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09:00 | that is what i have in the library
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09:01 | <cyberorg> xekhz, you can try ltsp-pnp with mate session
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09:04 | <xekhz> i have installed firefox and im upgrading image
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09:12 | firefox isnt called
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09:12 | i run ltsp-localapps xterm
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09:12 | i run ltsp-localapps firefox
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09:12 | i can see firefox as a process in top, but i get no window
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09:13 | and the sys % goes berserk 89%
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09:13 | in top
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09:14 | <ToeiRei> give it some time to start - firefix isn't the fastest starter
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09:14 | <xekhz> ok, counting :)
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09:17 | nothing
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09:18 | 3 minutes..
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09:23 | not workin
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09:28 | what is the lightest web browser available ?
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09:37 | well midori, did the trick plays the videos without any problem
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09:38 | <pxeguy> yo cyberorg
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09:40 | <cyberorg> pxeguy, hi, don't know how to help you, you can boot up live media and see if resolution work, then compare lsmod and Xorg.*.log
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09:41 | you can also try the firmware link i sent if that is the cause
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09:44 | <pxeguy> well 1024x768 works
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09:44 | I think anything higher just conks out
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09:48 | <ToeiRei> is there any other 'modern' rdp connection stuff available than xrdp? something with encryption + auth...
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10:15 | <xekhz_> ll
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10:15 | back
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12:12 | <alkisg> xekhz_: which cpu model do your clients have?
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14:28 | <xekhz_> hello
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14:28 | again
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14:28 | i have 1Ghz via eden
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14:31 | and i found out this information how to redirect sound with socat
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14:31 | http://pastebin.com/haJhiXa0
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14:33 | it looks like each user as a virtual soundcard. i think
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14:37 | <alkisg> xekhz_: can you find your cpu at cpubenchmark.net ?
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14:43 | <xekhz_> http://cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=VIA+Eden+800MHz&id=1417
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14:46 | it is a great cpu :) top bottom
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14:46 | <alkisg> So at 800 mhz, not 1 ghz
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14:46 | <pxeguy> yo alkisg
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14:46 | you're back :D
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14:46 | <alkisg> Hi pxeguy
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14:46 | Not really; bottling wine...
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14:46 | <pxeguy> been working on my issue the whole of today
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14:46 | <xekhz_> in the specs i have 1Ghz
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14:46 | https://web.archive.org/web/20111128210135/http://www.lucidatech.com/product/lt27.htm
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14:53 | <pxeguy> it's hd 530 and I've tried setting the mode to i915.modeset=1
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14:53 | no avail
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14:53 | <alkisg> pxeguy: you need to *not use* nomodeset and find some way to prevent the blanking
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14:53 | That usually happens when you get a new enough kernel/xorg that recognizes your cpu
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14:53 | I think you should be asking in #ubuntu-x about this
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14:54 | <pxeguy> yo, yes for sure I cannot use nomodeset, it's not going to fix this issue at all.
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14:54 | okay will give them a shout man
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14:54 | it doesn't seem like an ltsp issue
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15:17 | <alkisg> xekhz_: wow, 155 pasmark... that's like a bit newer than eniac
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15:17 | <xekhz_> heehehe :)
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15:17 | <alkisg> It doesn't make much sense to run many localapps there...
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15:18 | <xekhz_> did you check the link from pastebin ?
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15:18 | is it possible to use the socat redirection with xfce ?
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15:26 | <alkisg> pxeguy: it's possible to add the correct mode even with nomodeset, but you're losing the acceleration, so it's not worth it
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15:32 | xekhz_: I haven't really worked much with xrdp, I think xorg is faster
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15:32 | (without encryption, of course)
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15:32 | There are youtube players that use xvideo that work fnie even over x
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15:33 | <xekhz_> does it have encription on by default ?
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15:33 | xorg in the thinclient
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15:35 | <alkisg> yes
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15:35 | You need LDM_DIRECTX=False to disable it
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15:35 | !directx
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15:35 | <ltsp`> directx: If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation
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15:36 | <xekhz_> i already have tha flag set to true :(
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15:46 | <alkisg> !screen_02
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15:46 | <ltsp`> screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
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16:01 | <alkisg> xekhz: get a root shell on the client, and run: getltscfg -a, and see if LDM_DIRECTX is there
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16:09 | <xekhz> yes it is there
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16:11 | <alkisg> OK, that's the best you can get
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16:14 | <xekhz> it is a WM problem they really big and consume to much cpu
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16:14 | <alkisg> No, of course not
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16:14 | <xekhz> with fluxobox its is very very fast
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16:14 | <alkisg> firefox is fast with fluxbox?
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16:14 | <xekhz> with xfce fast...
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16:14 | yes firefox is usable with fluxobox
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16:14 | <alkisg> I've tested with 5 window managers and without window manager
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16:15 | I didn't see the result you're saying
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16:15 | Compositing makes things a bit slower, but not that much slower
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16:15 | And xfce, mate, gnome-flashback and lxde can be used without compositing
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16:15 | In non-compositing window managers, the performance is exactly the same, with or without a window manager
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16:15 | So I don't agree with what you're saying
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16:16 | <xekhz> maybe i cant get xfce compositing off
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16:16 | or gnome-flashback.
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16:16 | but i see better performance with fluxbox and xfce
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16:16 | so there must be another thing messing the performance
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16:18 | <alkisg> Usually in such old clients, the bottleneck is 100% cpu in xorg in the client side
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16:19 | <ogra_> is there even still a working xorg driver for these things ? or do they defaut to something like vesa or fbdev
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16:19 | * ogra_ woders if the openchrome driver is even still maintained | |
16:19 | <alkisg> Which is due to the cpu, the graphics driver, the xorg architecture, and the toolkit used (gtk etc), but not due to the window manager
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16:20 | <xekhz> i agree 101%
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16:21 | <alkisg> openchrome usually has a maintainer which aims to get a release in a couple of years. No releases yet, for many many years. :)
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16:21 | <ogra_> yeah
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16:21 | thats what i remeber from many many years ago :P
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16:22 | <alkisg> !cheap-client
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16:22 | <ltsp`> cheap-client: http://www.gearbest.com/tv-box-mini-pc/pp_343636.html
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16:22 | <ogra_> also the via eden is a plain i586 IIRC ... will become hard to till find a distro that supports them in a few years
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16:22 | *still
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16:22 | <alkisg> xekhz: that's a good solution there ^
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16:23 | <ogra_> i guess even debian will eventually drop i586 one day
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16:23 | <alkisg> (i.e. replace your clients :))
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16:24 | i586 isn't good enough to run a desktop nowadays, even a remote desktop...
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16:24 | <ogra_> yeah
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16:25 | <xekhz> if my library wants to buy new hardware it will be
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16:25 | <ogra_> and compared to modern atoms you will save the money you spend to get the new clients within one year in your power bill i guess
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16:26 | <xekhz> did you check the script with the socat redirection to the pulseaudio
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16:33 | good solution for my hardware, gnome-flashback, disable composition and browser midori..
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16:33 | is pretty usable thinclient
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16:33 | the usb thumbdrive is not auto monted
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16:34 | ..
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16:34 | even with localdev set to true
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16:34 | do i need to install something ?
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