IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 11 September 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:01 | <drwahl> looking for it :) one sec
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| 00:01 | uhg, where can i find the lts.conf file at?
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| 00:02 | <sbalneav> /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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| 00:02 | <drwahl> hmm, i dont seem to have one in there
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| 00:05 | <sbalneav> Then you've just got the defaults.
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| 00:05 | <drwahl> which are...?
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| 00:05 | <sbalneav> localdevs and sound are turned on.
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| 00:06 | <drwahl> but how do i log in? :) i dont have any users created, and it doesnt seem to be using the users on the ltsp server
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| 00:06 | does it have to do with nfs?
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| 00:06 | <sbalneav> It should be using the users on the ltsp server.
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| 00:06 | <drwahl> huh... odd
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| 00:06 | <sbalneav> You get the graphical greeter?
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| 00:07 | <drwahl> nope
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| 00:07 | text
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| 00:07 | <sbalneav> ok, then X isn't starting
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| 00:07 | that's your problem.
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| 00:08 | What kind of graphics card do you have in the box?
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| 00:08 | <drwahl> intel something... its a Dell laptop
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| 00:08 | i use the i830? driver
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| 00:09 | <sbalneav> You might try creating a lts.conf file in the directory I told you with:
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| 00:09 | [Default]
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| 00:10 | XSERVER=vesa
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| 00:10 | in
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| 00:10 | in it
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| 00:10 | <drwahl> ok
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| 00:26 | <drwahl> my biggest problem right now with ltsp is that i can not log in. it still isnt using the users on the servers system
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| 00:27 | do i need to restart some service?
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| 01:09 | <garbat> Blank to all. I have a problem in order to add an other PC in my system ltsp-5 with Ubuntu Feisty. Me it seems that enough not to insert an other host in dhcpd.conf, because the client one jams endured after the shielded one of Ubuntu with a cursore blinking. What I can make?
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| 01:09 | <drwahl> i am still having issues getting X working my Xorg log can be found at http://drwahl.ath.cx/Xorg.6.log
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| 01:56 | <cyberorg> hi guys what is the fate of configure_x.sh ?
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| 02:25 | <maulanar> cyberorg, are there updated instructions for installing kiwi-ltsp on opensuse?
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| 02:25 | <cyberorg> maulanar, not yet, but you can ask here or on #kiwi when you want to start on it
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| 02:26 | it is just change in one conf file and running one command, conf file is self explanatory (hopefully)
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| 02:28 | <maulanar> cyberorg, downloaded the dvd iso last night and i'm about to start on it
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| 02:29 | can i use instructions from http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP?
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| 02:29 | <cyberorg> ok, cool, would you do a wiki update ? :)
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| 02:29 | i'll give you step by step here
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| 02:29 | no, try experimental ones
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| 02:30 | let me know when you are ready
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| 02:30 | <maulanar> cyberorg, do you mean try experimental instructions?
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| 02:31 | <cyberorg> there are no experimental instructions, we will work on installing experimental ltsp5 with ldm on your machine
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| 02:31 | you can then put those up on the wiki, so next time i can point people there ;)
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| 02:32 | <maulanar> ok, so i'll be needing the ltsp5 tarball then?
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| 02:35 | <cyberorg> no
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| 02:36 | you just need 10.3 dvd, and few packages, are you doing the setup now?
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| 02:36 | we will be using 100% suse :)
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| 02:37 | <maulanar> yeah, just started but i downloaded the 10.2 iso not 10.3
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| 02:37 | <cyberorg> nope, we need 10.3
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| 02:38 | unfortunately 10.3 dvd is available only on torrent
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| 02:39 | <maulanar> ok, let me start the download
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| 02:39 | <cyberorg> get 10.3 beta3
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| 02:40 | <maulanar> url for torrent file?
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| 02:45 | <cyberorg> ftp://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/10.3-Beta3/iso/torrent
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| 02:45 | ftp://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/10.3-Beta3/iso/torrent/openSUSE-10.3-Beta2_Beta3-DVD-i386.torrent
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| 02:45 | this one ^^
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| 02:46 | sorry ftp://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/10.3-Beta3/iso/torrent/openSUSE-10.3-Beta3-DVD-i386.torrent
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| 02:46 | this one
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| 02:46 | <maulanar> thanks, i'll start the download now be in touch when it's finished
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| 02:46 | do i need any extra packages besides the iso?
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| 02:53 | <cyberorg> not yet, once you get that, you'll have to add couple of online repo
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| 02:55 | <maulanar> ok, let me wait for the download to finish
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| 02:56 | btw i'm downloading the 64 bit iso
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| 02:57 | <cyberorg> maulanar, 32 bit is preferred for now, as the image is 32bit one
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| 02:58 | i haven't tried 64bit :(
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| 02:59 | <maulanar> hmmm, i managed to get ltsp5 with localdev working on sled10 x86_64 yesterday
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| 03:00 | only problem is the clients slow down after several logins
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| 03:00 | the clients are 32 bit
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| 03:00 | machines
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| 03:01 | i couldn't see why that was
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| 03:01 | <cyberorg> maulanar, memory leak somewhere
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| 03:02 | <maulanar> cyberorg, any ideas where exactly?
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| 03:03 | <cyberorg> maulanar, clients running out of memory as they do not clear everything on logging off, cant say what exactly
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| 05:42 | <bmu> hi, where can i find a awk-intepreter package for ltsp?
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| 05:42 | i'm missing it for lbussd/cd
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| 06:58 | <BlackDark> morning all
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| 07:05 | hey guys remember the problem I reported yesterday
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| 07:05 | the xorg crash caused by execsive memory usage by firefox or so
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| 07:05 | I've added a limit in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/ldm
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| 07:06 | I've added in the script ulimit -v 102400 (+- 100M)
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| 07:06 | I tried to set the limit on hte memory with -m option, but It doesn't worked out
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| 07:07 | the correct option is -v
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| 07:07 | I'll modify a bit more ldm to turn it dynamic, and set as limit 90% of the memory size
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| 08:38 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav`: Morning...
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| 08:39 | sbalneav`: It worked...
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| 08:49 | <ogra> !s
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| 08:49 | <ltspbot`> ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:51 | <Gadi> morning, guys: FYI I checked into the pulse-shm stuff (ie, the need for pulseaudio to have 1777 access to /dev/shm, and it is legit and required for certain apps to work properly. And will cause firefox to crash on some flash sites if the dir is not properly chmod'd)
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| 08:57 | <ogra> Gadi, thats nonsense
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| 08:57 | we talked about it already
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| 08:57 | <ogra> pulse does at no time access the servers /dev/shm
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| 09:00 | <Gadi> ogra: try it
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| 09:00 | pulse-shm indeed does
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| 09:00 | for every user
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| 09:00 | that goes to such a site
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| 09:18 | <ogra> Gadi, i'm using flash here witout probs everywhere
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| 09:18 | <Gadi> ok, so ls /dev/shm/
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| 09:19 | do you not see any files on the server for you ruser?
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| 09:20 | <ogra> hrm
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| 09:20 | <Gadi> :)
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| 09:20 | ill take that as a yes
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| 09:20 | <ogra> hrm
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| 09:20 | <Gadi> still nonsense?
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| 09:20 | * ogra blusjes | |
| 09:20 | <ogra> *blushes too
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| 09:20 | yes, but not from your side
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| 09:20 | why the heck does it do that ?
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| 09:21 | <Gadi> evidently, it is only with recent distros that /dev/shm is 1777 by default (used to be 755)
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| 09:21 | so if anyone does an upgrade, they could get hit with that issue
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| 09:21 | once you chmod, all is better
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| 09:21 | <ogra> ogra@laptop:~$ mount|grep shm
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| 09:21 | devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)#
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| 09:21 | -#
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| 09:21 | <Gadi> I just wanted to note it, in case other souls come in with firefox crashing issues
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| 09:22 | <ogra> can yu check thats mounted right for you ?
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> well, this sytem is fine, now
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| 09:22 | no issues whatsoever
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| 09:22 | <ogra> /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh should hav set it up rw for the whole system
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> I am just noting what happens if it is chmod'd wrong
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| 09:23 | <ogra> right, but why was it wrong ?
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| 09:23 | its part of the bootprocess to make it a tmpfs and rw
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| 09:23 | <Gadi> well, 755 is tmpfs and rw
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| 09:24 | just not 1777
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| 09:24 | <ogra> (beyond that pulse is still behaving wrong here)
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| 09:24 | <Gadi> ;)
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| 09:24 | <ogra> well, its supposed to be 177
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| 09:24 | 1777
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| 09:24 | <Gadi> where does that chmod happen?
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| 09:24 | <ogra> in every default install
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| 09:24 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:24 | <ogra> it doesnt need to be chmodded
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| 09:24 | <Gadi> just on install, most likely, right?
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| 09:24 | <ogra> no
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| 09:25 | look at /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh
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| 09:25 | its a tmpfs
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| 09:25 | * Gadi looks | |
| 09:25 | <ogra> its by default 1770
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| 09:25 | err
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| 09:25 | 1777
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| 09:26 | <Gadi> that is true of any tmpfs?
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| 09:26 | nothing has to set it that way?
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| 09:28 | <ogra> yes
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| 09:28 | it defaults to the same settings /tmp uses
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| 09:31 | <Gadi> ah
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| 09:32 | ok. well, maybe something weird was up with that install
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| 09:32 | not sure
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| 09:32 | in my googling I did find some gentoo users with the same issue post-upgrade
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| 09:32 | <Gadi> but, maybe it was a fluke
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| 09:33 | <ogra> well, in any case you pointed out an uglyness in pulse i need to fiy
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| 09:33 | <Gadi> just always good to know something else to check when firefox crashes :)
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| 09:33 | <ogra> *fix
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| 09:33 | <vlt> Hello. How can I set the timezone of the _client_ which runs on UTC by default?
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| 09:34 | <ogra> ltsp5 ?
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| 09:34 | <vlt> ogra: Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 LTS packages
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| 09:35 | * vlt doesn't know when/if ltsp5 was integrated in ubuntu. | |
| 09:36 | <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/test dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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| 09:36 | that works at least in newerversions
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| 09:36 | <vlt> By default there's no file /etc/timezone (in /opt/ltsp/i386/). I created one but don't know when it is ...
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| 09:37 | ogra: Ok, I'll try.
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| 09:37 | ogra: thank you.
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| 09:37 | * ogra cant even remember anymore if tzdata was used back than | |
| 09:37 | <ogra> *then
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| 09:38 | <vlt> ogra: Would you reccommend upgrading to ltsp5 on Dapper? (In general, not for the timezone thing ;-)
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| 09:38 | <ogra> dapper has ltsp5
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| 09:39 | <vlt> ogra: aah, ok, then I misinterpreted your "used back then" ...
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| 09:39 | <ogra> if you installed ltsp-server and -standalone and dibt use the ltsp-utils package (thats ltsp4) you already have ltsp5
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| 09:39 | *didnt
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| 09:40 | <vlt> ogra: -standalone is installed, -utils not.
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| 09:41 | <ogra> good
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| 09:41 | <vlt> But there's no pkg tzdata in /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 09:41 | <ogra> so you use ltsp5 :)
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| 09:41 | try sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/test tzconfig
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| 09:41 | i think that was the old tool
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| 09:45 | <vlt> tzconfig does exist ... and told me I was in Europe/Berlin. I think it read my /etc/timezone file. How can I trigger a running client to change the tz? running `tzconfig` there didn't help
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| 09:51 | <ogra> did you reboot it after changing /etc/timezone ?
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| 09:59 | <jammcq> hello friends
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| 10:01 | <ogra> jammcq, ! :)
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| 10:02 | <jammcq> hey ogra
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| 10:02 | I was just reading about FOSCamp-2007
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| 10:02 | <Gadi> howdy, jammcq
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| 10:02 | <jammcq> err, FOSSCamp-2007
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| 10:02 | hello gadi
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| 10:02 | <ogra> jammcq, did you every thing about teaming up with system76 and offer complete thin client solutions ? http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=29&products_id=62
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| 10:03 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 10:03 | <ogra> preinstalled server and 10/20 or 30 TC in a bundle ;)
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| 10:03 | <jammcq> we've toyed with the idea of selling a pre-packaged LTSP server and clients
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| 10:04 | <BlackDark> jammcq, what kind of terminal are you going to package ?
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| 10:04 | <jammcq> BlackDark: we already sell them. http://www.DisklessWorkstations.com
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| 10:04 | i'm just saying that we've talked about the idea of selling complete systems. never really followed up on that tho
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| 10:05 | <ogra> BlackDark, the thing is that system76 sells preinstalled LTSP servers :)
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| 10:05 | <BlackDark> it's a good idea to package server and terminals
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| 10:05 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:05 | <BlackDark> and to come with a built-in solution for the customers
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| 10:05 | <ogra> "IT out of the box"
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| 10:05 | just wire it up, boot and you are done :)
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| 10:06 | <jammcq> the thing is, support can kill you
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| 10:06 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:06 | <BlackDark> I migght be good idea to package some kiosk solutions too
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| 10:06 | <ogra> thats why i meant team up with them :)
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| 10:06 | leave the busy side at their desk
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| 10:06 | <BlackDark> for the lobbies in the hotels for instance
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| 10:06 | <jammcq> but now, with Canonical offering support, that might work
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| 10:06 | <ogra> BlackDark, ltsp-build-client has a kiosk option since two releases already ;)
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| 10:06 | <BlackDark> btw do you guys work fulltime for ubuntu ?
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| 10:06 | * ogra does | |
| 10:06 | <jammcq> not me
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| 10:07 | <BlackDark> ogra, yeah I know, but if you could offer a built-in kiosk solutions, it could be great
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| 10:07 | <ogra> well, actually on edubuntu ... ubuntu is rather a pet thing for me :)
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| 10:07 | <BlackDark> so you got a salary from edubuntu ?
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| 10:07 | <ogra> jammcq, very good article in german "linux magazin" bte
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| 10:07 | *mtw
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| 10:08 | gah
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| 10:08 | *b t w
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| 10:08 | BlackDark, no, i get a salary from canonical, but my ain job is edubuntu
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| 10:08 | *main
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| 10:08 | <BlackDark> ok :)
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| 10:08 | <jammcq> ogra: yeah, I saw that. I hope they said good things about us
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| 10:09 | <ogra> http://linuxmagazin.de/heft_abo/ausgaben/2007/10/einer_fuer_alle?category=0
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| 10:09 | <BlackDark> so the philosophy from canonical is to work from home full time ?
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| 10:09 | <ogra> lots and lots of good things
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| 10:09 | <jammcq> http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1028
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| 10:09 | <ogra> and its the first article that actually gets all tech details right (might be because i had it for proof reading in advance though ;) )
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| 10:09 | <jammcq> heh
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| 10:09 | <ogra> BlackDark, ack
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| 10:10 | <BlackDark> it's a great way to work
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| 10:10 | for sure, it's much less expensive for canonical
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| 10:10 | <ogra> well, its so so ...
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| 10:10 | <BlackDark> and they can get people from everywhere on the plannet
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| 10:10 | <ogra> you dont really ever stop working if you work from home
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| 10:10 | thats ver ydanerous
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| 10:10 | <BlackDark> true
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| 10:11 | <jammcq> that's why /me got a real office last year. 7 years of working from home takes its toll
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| 10:11 | <BlackDark> it's difficult too for the meetings and so on
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| 10:11 | <ogra> i finally manager to pull myself out after 10-12h now that i have a separate office and dont try to carry my lappie into the living room
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| 10:11 | <BlackDark> I work a bit from home for IBM
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| 10:12 | <ogra> but its a bit of self discipline you need
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| 10:12 | <BlackDark> yes that;s true
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| 10:12 | LTSP for me is just a personnal project, not for IBM
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| 10:12 | I'm trying to push the solution for the kiosks
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| 10:12 | I work in a IBM plant in Canada
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| 10:13 | <ogra> did you try the kiosk setup we have ? it could surely need some more love
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| 10:13 | <BlackDark> no not yet
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| 10:13 | we do have some redmond OS kiosks
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| 10:13 | I'm sure the solution is great
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| 10:13 | <ogra> nah, its cheap :)
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| 10:14 | <BlackDark> I would love to get the ltsp server on a mainframe
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| 10:14 | <ogra> its just starting a windowmanager locally and runs firefox fullscreen in there
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| 10:14 | all with a temporary user
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| 10:14 | (locally== on the client)
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| 10:14 | <BlackDark> can you add some applications ?
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| 10:14 | I would need to run x3270 too
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| 10:14 | <ogra> its a chroot, indeed, you can add yll you find in the package archive ;)
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| 10:15 | *all
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| 10:15 | <BlackDark> ok good
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| 10:15 | <ogra> even ful desktps
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| 10:15 | *desktops
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| 10:15 | <BlackDark> how do you lockup the station ?
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| 10:15 | so you have to prevent a couple of things to be done
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| 10:15 | <ogra> define lockup
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| 10:16 | you mean like remotely locking with a screensaver ?
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| 10:16 | <BlackDark> just a way to prevent the user to do some nasty things
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| 10:16 | <ogra> he can do all nasty things he wants ;)
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| 10:16 | its all in a tmpfs ...
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| 10:16 | especially /home
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| 10:16 | <BlackDark> but on the serve r?
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| 10:16 | <ogra> right
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| 10:17 | all changes will be gone after next reboot of the client
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| 10:17 | <BlackDark> if the user runs a terminal he could try to do somethings on the server
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| 10:17 | <ogra> unless you have something like nfs mounted homwdirs
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| 10:17 | <BlackDark> ie : trying to hack the server
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| 10:17 | <ogra> sure
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| 10:17 | but thats the case with a network of worstations as well
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| 10:17 | <BlackDark> we do have some smart ass on the manufacturing floors
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| 10:17 | yes
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| 10:17 | <ogra> what i'm describing is adiskless workstation setuo atm
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| 10:18 | *setup
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| 10:18 | <ogra> what you do with the desktop settings then is up to you ;)
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| 10:18 | <BlackDark> :)
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| 10:18 | <ogra> you can loc it down using sabayon or pessulus
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| 10:18 | or if you use kde the kde kiosktool
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| 10:19 | <BlackDark> interesting
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| 10:19 | that's an another project anyways
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| 10:19 | some colleagues 'd like to use ltsp to give access to lotus notes
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| 10:20 | I'm testing the native linux version of notes
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| 10:20 | <ogra> well, for that the firefox kiosk setup sounds perfect
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| 10:20 | ah, native
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| 10:20 | i thought through the web desktop
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| 10:20 | <BlackDark> that project is not with the kiosk thing
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| 10:21 | running everything on the mainframe could be OMG
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| 10:21 | you have plenty of IO and CPU
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| 10:23 | right now my personnal project with ltsp is to get some silent desks at home
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| 10:23 | so the server is installed somewhere in the basement
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| 10:23 | <BlackDark> server runs ltsp and mythtv
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| 10:23 | * ogra assembled a silent TV media box this way on the weekend :) | |
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| 10:24 | <BlackDark> ogra, what backend software ?
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| 10:24 | <ogra> just missing the mythtv server side to be set up ... but i dont have the time to set up the DVB card
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| 10:24 | <BlackDark> mythtv or other ?
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| 10:24 | <ogra> i think i'll use myth
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| 10:24 | <BlackDark> I have 2 pvr-250 in my box
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| 10:25 | I love myth
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| 10:25 | <ogra> i'D love to assembel a diskless mediacenter thingie based on mythbuntu at some point
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| 10:25 | <BlackDark> I've been using it for 3 years
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| 10:25 | could be cool
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| 10:25 | <ogra> but thats a side project i cant put much time into atm
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| 10:25 | <BlackDark> all you need is some huge storage
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| 10:26 | <ogra> well, i want a ltsp-build-client --mediacenter switch that sets it up for you ;)
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| 10:26 | <BlackDark> the guys of minimyth looks to do a very good job, though
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| 10:26 | so for the client ?
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| 10:27 | if you do so I'll buy directly
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| 10:28 | <ogra> heh
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| 10:28 | i wonder if it makes sense now that we use the squashfs images to have ltsp-client-image-* packages ...
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| 10:29 | that saves all the setup stuff ...
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| 10:29 | <BlackDark> yeah
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| 10:29 | <ogra> most users will want a default setup anyway ...
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| 10:29 | * ogra puts that on the discussion list for next developer summit | |
| 10:30 | <BlackDark> can't you have a meta package to install the mediacenter packages ?
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| 10:30 | <ogra> that already exists in mythibuntu afaik
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| 10:30 | *mythbuntu
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| 10:30 | <BlackDark> for a diskless clients ?
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| 10:31 | <ogra> hmm, no, not really
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| 10:31 | i was expecting to find a mythbuntu-client or something
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| 10:31 | but there is nothing yet
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| 10:32 | * ogra takes a coffebrak before uploading the next ltsp package | |
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| 11:27 | <vykarian> hi guys!
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| 11:28 | I'm having problems with lp_server with jobs larger than 1 mb.. it just take soooo long (around 10 minutes if the box doesn't freezes)
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| 11:28 | <BlackDark> vykarian, when you print from oo ?
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| 11:28 | <vykarian> I'm wondering about changing the lp_server to fli4l.. does someone already passed thru that?
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| 11:28 | sorry, oo ?
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| 11:28 | <BlackDark> open office
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| 11:29 | I've seen an article about problems when printing from open office
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| 11:30 | oo use the xorg cache to generate the print. the solution is to disable the transparency
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| 11:30 | I'm just relaying the solution, I never tested it
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| 11:30 | <vykarian> no.. thats from any application.. primary huge images pics..
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| 11:31 | when I put the printer in a printserver (native, the mini-box) it works perfectly
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| 11:31 | <BlackDark> I'd bet xorg is running out of memory on the terminal, and the terminal freezes ?
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| 11:31 | <vykarian> before that I tested upgrading the cups and trying to find some buffer configuration
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| 11:31 | early in the morning a co-worker tested that and went just fine.. I found some documentation about that
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| 11:31 | but before changing/testing wanted know if someone here already made that
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| 11:33 | I didn't see with my eyes the terminal that freezes.. but they are all > 733 MHz with 256 RAM
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| 11:34 | <BlackDark> when you said it takes up to 10min if the box doesn't freeze
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| 11:34 | what box ? the print server ?
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| 11:35 | http://mille-xterm.org/en/TerminalMemoryUsage
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| 12:01 | <ruivaldo> hi, i would know if dillo can work as a local app into the station ?
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| 12:05 | <thermoman> hi. i've got a VIA CPU here (vendor_id CentaurHauls, cpu family 6, model 7, model name VIA Samuel 2, flags: fpu de tsc msr cx8 mtrr pge mmx 3dnow) which boots fine with kernel 2.6.15 and CONFIG_MCYRIXIII=y but fails with Kernel Panic "CPU too old for this kernel" on 2.6.22. What am i supposed to select as CPU Type?
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| 12:07 | <vagrantc> thermoman: are you building a kernel for LTSP ?
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| 12:08 | <vagrantc> unless you're using all the same thin clients, i would recommend using the most basic kernel type possible.
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| 12:08 | <vykarian> BlackDark.. went check that box that they are saying that freezes.. thats only one and thats a hardware problem
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| 12:09 | so... the only problem is delay of lp_server in huge files
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| 12:12 | <BlackDark> vykarian, ok
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| 12:15 | <thermoman> vagrantc: it's a kernel for a specific thinclient model
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| 12:16 | i've debugged it so far that it has something to do with CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG64=y
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| 12:28 | <vagrantc> well, finally got newer ltsp packages uploaded to debian :)
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| 12:28 | * vagrantc waits for the bugs to come rolling in | |
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| 12:35 | <klausade> vagrantc: i could try the new ltsp stuff on etch. whats new in it?
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| 12:37 | <vagrantc> klausade: i actually have to build a separate backport
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| 12:38 | klausade: but ldm is totally re-written ... that's probably the biggest change
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| 12:42 | <klausade> vagrantc: aah, I thought you already had done the backports.
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| 12:42 | <vagrantc> klausade: no, the sid packages are still at http://incoming.debian.org
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| 12:43 | <klausade> vagrantc: ok. But, if you do backport, then i'm ready and willing to test.
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| 13:15 | <Ryudo> sbal hi :D
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| 13:16 | i need a litle help :)
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| 13:21 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Afternoon...
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| 13:38 | <sbalneav> Hey Guaraldo!
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| 13:38 | Ryudo: hello
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| 13:38 | <Ryudo> hi sbal i'm back
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| 13:39 | <Ryudo> sbal i needing the ltsp5 documentations of your apresentations on fisl and in the world ? O_O porr english oh my god
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| 13:42 | i need pdfs slides shows ....
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| 13:43 | all you have about ltsp5
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| 13:48 | <elisboa> does anyone know how does swap via NFS work?
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| 13:49 | <vagrantc_> swap over NFS requires patches to the kernel
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| 13:50 | it's not in the standard linux kernel
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| 13:55 | <Ryudo> scott ?
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| 13:56 | <Guaraldo> Ryudo: I think Scott is not among us... :-/
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| 13:57 | Ryudo: But he will be back soon... He can't stay away of here much time...
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| 13:57 | <elisboa> vagrantc_: you mean the thin client's kernel or the server's kernel?
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| 13:57 | I think it would be the thin client's
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| 13:57 | <vagrantc_> elisboa: i think just the thin-client kernel, but i am not sure.
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| 13:58 | LTSP has been using swap over NBD for a while now
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| 13:58 | <elisboa> Thansk, I think that I can do it now
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| 13:58 | is swap over NBD bbetter than NFS?
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| 13:58 | <vagrantc_> it doesn't require kernel patches
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| 13:58 | <jammcq> well, swap over NBD works. swap over NFS doesn't. so I'd say YES, NBD is better.
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| 13:58 | <vagrantc_> other than that, i don't know if it's better or not
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| 13:59 | <Guaraldo> vagrantc_: do you know when will ldm writen in C avaible on gutsy test?
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| 13:59 | <vagrantc_> Guaraldo: i'm pretty sure it's already there
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| 14:00 | <Guaraldo> vagrantc_: Ive actualized my vm gutsy server right now and thought boot too slowly yet...
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| 14:00 | <elisboa> jammcq: I've had much problems with floppies via NBD, back in the 03/04's
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| 14:00 | <jammcq> that's a whole different problem
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| 14:01 | ever since the 2.6 kernels, swap over NFS doesn't work
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| 14:01 | <elisboa> what you really want to mean with "doesn't work"? How buggy is this?
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| 14:02 | <jammcq> there is NO possiblity of NFS Swap with 2.6 kernels.
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| 14:02 | <vagrantc_> unless you want to write the kernel patches yourself
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| 14:02 | <jammcq> I maintained the NFS-Swap patch for the 2.4 kernels and when 2.6 came out, the vm subsystem was entirely different. Swap over NFS just doesn't work. you can't do 'swapon' to a NFS mounted filesystem with 2.6
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| 14:07 | * vagrantc_ wonders: ldmsocks = [f for f in files if f.find('ldm_socket_') == 0] | |
| 14:08 | <vagrantc_> i just know we could cram another f in there
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| 14:09 | <Ryudo> jim :D ou have a slides shows of fisl about ltsp5 ?
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| 14:09 | <jammcq> hmm, scotty was talking about ltsp-5
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| 14:09 | he'll prolly be around again soon
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| 14:11 | <Ryudo> i'm waiting scott back :D
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| 14:24 | <elisboa> hmmm
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| 14:24 | thanks, jammcq
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| 14:26 | jammcq: a last question: does swap over nbd work without any problem? Isin't there any overhead on the server's harddrive?
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| 14:27 | <vagrantc_> no different than with swap over nfs
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| 14:27 | you're using hard-drive space somewhere ...
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| 14:28 | <elisboa> hmm, understooed
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| 14:28 | s/oe/o/
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| 14:30 | <jammcq> scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 14:31 | <sbalneav> Hey hey
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| 14:31 | Ryudo: Sorry, back
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| 14:31 | Ryudo: Best bet is to look at the Edubuntu handbook
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| 14:31 | <Ryudo> i looking for edubuntu
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| 14:32 | <vagrantc_> sbalneav: had to revert your changes in ltsp-client-core init script to use awk for the SCREEN_* stuff ... it just plain didn't work :(
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| 14:32 | <sbalneav> Ryudo: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
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| 14:32 | <Ryudo> do you have slides show of you presentations on fisl ?
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| 14:32 | <sbalneav> vagrantc_: How come?
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| 14:33 | <vagrantc_> sbalneav: because it was totally and utterly broken ?
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| 14:33 | <sbalneav> Thanks for the helpful information.
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| 14:34 | <vagrantc_> :P
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| 14:36 | <Ryudo> scott if possible i need your slide shows of ltsp (fisl)
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| 14:36 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "why scotty's patch didn't work" (11 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/316
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| 14:36 | <vagrantc_> sbalneav: see above
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| 14:44 | <Ryudo> :(
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| 14:49 | <BlackDark> just read an article about the new chinese /better/ internet
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| 14:49 | they just gonna deploy IPv6
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| 14:49 | I though those guys would redesign the protocol
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| 15:03 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Hi, man...
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| 15:03 | sbalneav: Can you send me those presentations of FISL 8?
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| 15:18 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Are you there?
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| 15:33 | <sbalneav> Guaraldo: Yep
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| 15:33 | Man, I don't know where they are.
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| 15:33 | I'd have to look.
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| 15:35 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: No problem... A friend of mine is doing a monography about LTSP costs redution... He asked me if I have some material to help... I thought about your presentation on FISL...
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| 15:38 | <sbalneav> That Ryudo?
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| 15:38 | I didn't see his request for the slides, until after
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| 15:38 | I'll see if I can dig them up.
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| 15:39 | <Ryudo> opa
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| 15:40 | his friend its me :)
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| 15:42 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Yep... Its Ryudo... But I want to have that presentation with me too...
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| 15:47 | <sbalneav> OK, I'll have to look for it at home, it's probably on my laptop
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| 15:47 | Check back tomorrow.
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| 15:48 | <BlackDark> bye guis
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| 15:48 | guys
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| 15:48 | <Ryudo> ok ! scott thank you
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| 15:50 | <Guaraldo> Great Scott!!! Thanks, very much!
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| 16:42 | <lns_> hey guys, i'm onsite with a class in session - is it ok to restart tftpd while people are logged in (via /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa restart)? For some reason, it's not booting thin clients anymore (but people already logged in are doing ok)
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| 16:42 | i installed xinetd and i think that's what borked it
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| 16:55 | <white_n_azz> can I ask newbie general question?
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| 16:55 | <Guaraldo> white_n_azz: Have you searched twiki.ltsp.org?
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| 16:56 | <white_n_azz> no - I am doubting that this is covered on wiki
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| 16:56 | <Guaraldo> white_n_azz: Many of FAQ are there...
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| 16:58 | <white_n_azz> I see that I can use iMacs as clients and I have ltspadmin downloading pieces now (4.2)
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| 16:58 | I'm looking at wiki now that covers Mac clients
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| 16:58 | <Guaraldo> :-D
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| 16:58 | <white_n_azz> I wanted to make certain that the i386 stuff is the right stuff to use on server when I am going to be using iMacs as netboot clients
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| 16:59 | <Guaraldo> Well... I have to go right now... See you all tomorrow...
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| 17:06 | <lns_> Guys, i'm having major issues booting up clients now that I tried installing xinetd on ubuntu feisty/LTSP... first, inetd.conf got all mucked up somehow, and now that I fixed it (double server entry for /usr/sbin/in.tftpd) they will boot the kernel but will hit ldm and have a blank screen/flashing cursor in upper left
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| 17:06 | any ideas?
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| 17:14 | <lns_> ok..rebooted the server and that did the trick for whatever reason
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| 17:50 | <lns_> Crazy question - is there a way to access a *real* LTSP session from Windows using a software client?
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| 17:54 | I see "XWinLogon"...i wonder if this would work?
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| 19:29 | <drwahl> i am trying to run ltsp-build-client, but it keeps failing on chroot, saying:
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| 19:29 | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 mount -t proc proc /proc
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| 19:29 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 19:34 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 19:34 | <drwahl> hi
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| 19:34 | sbalneav: are you an experienced ltsp user?
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| 19:34 | <sbalneav> One might say that.
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| 19:34 | <drwahl> i am trying to run ltsp-build-client, but it keeps failing on chroot, saying:
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| 19:35 | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 mount -t proc proc /proc
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| 19:35 | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 19:35 | <sbalneav> You've already got proc mounted in the chroot
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| 19:35 | chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 19:35 | umount /proc
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| 19:35 | exit
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| 19:36 | then, blow away your /opt/ltsp/i386, and start from scratch.
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| 19:36 | <drwahl> hmm
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| 19:36 | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
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| 19:36 | that's not good
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| 19:36 | <sbalneav> ok, it failed then.
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| 19:36 | simplest way to clear it out is to simply reboot the box, and then rm -rf /opt/ltsp
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| 19:36 | <drwahl> when i try to umount /proc it says the device is busy
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| 19:37 | <sbalneav> then re-do your ltsp-build-client.
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| 19:37 | <drwahl> ah, i can handle that :) brb then
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| 19:44 | <drwahl> i rebooted, and i am still getting the chroot error :(
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| 19:45 | <sbalneav> Did you remove the /opt/ltsp?
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| 19:45 | <drwahl> yup
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| 19:45 | <sbalneav> So, you're doing this on Ubuntu?
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| 19:45 | <drwahl> Debian Sid
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| 19:46 | it looks like /proc gets mounted on boot
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| 19:46 | <sbalneav> Ok, so, how, exactly, are you invoking ltsp-build-client?
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| 19:47 | <drwahl> as root, i am running the command "ltsp-build-client" then i let it go do its thing, and it exits with the chroot error
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| 19:47 | <sbalneav> Are you i386, or 64 bit?
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| 19:47 | <drwahl> i386 kernel
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| 19:47 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 19:48 | <drwahl> i kinda had it working yesterday, but it is giving me issues today. i was able to bring up the login screen yesterday, but i couldnt log in because it didnt have any accounts
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| 19:48 | <sbalneav> So, from a fresh reboot, and no /opt/ltsp, ltsp-build-client fails with a /proc mount. Hm
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| 19:48 | <drwahl> so i rm -rf /opt/ltsp/ and now i cant seem to rebuild
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| 19:49 | ya
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| 19:50 | <sbalneav> You're running this on the bare metal? not under Xen or anything like that?
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| 19:50 | <drwahl> well, i am logged into kde (if that's what you mean), but nothing fancy other than that.... xmms is running :)
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| 19:51 | <sbalneav> And you're root when you're running the ltsp-build-client?
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| 19:51 | <drwahl> i log in as my user, then do "su" to get root privlages
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| 19:51 | <sbalneav> ok
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| 19:52 | Sounds like it may be a bug. Vagrant's the fellow in charge of the debian port, I'd talk to him.
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| 19:52 | Sounds like you're doing it right.
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| 19:52 | <drwahl> ok, bugs are fine, as long as i'm not being completely stupid :)
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| 19:52 | <sbalneav> Doesn't seem to be a mistake.
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| 19:52 | <drwahl> do i need to file a bug report?
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| 19:53 | <sbalneav> Might be worthwhile
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| 19:53 | at least so the debian people are aware.
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| 19:53 | <drwahl> should i file the bug with debian, or with ltsp?
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| 19:53 | <sbalneav> debian
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| 19:53 | <drwahl> ok
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| 19:54 | <sbalneav> file it agains the ltsp-server package.
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| 19:54 | <drwahl> k
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