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| 09:25 | <LedHed> I'm having trouble getting my nbd server to start. I'm using Ubuntu Lucid, and when I start the service, it says that it couldnt parse /etc/nbd-server/config, but when I checked my other LTSP server there was no config file there either (but nbd is running)
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| 09:43 | <Gadi> LedHed: nbd server runs out of inetd - it should not be started as a standalone service
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| 09:43 | check /etc/inetd.conf
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| 09:43 | <LedHed> ok. so what about the config file, are those settings typically set in inetd also?
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| 09:44 | <LedHed> found the problem.
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| 09:44 | thanks Gadi
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| 09:44 | <Gadi> np
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| 09:46 | <LedHed> I had cloned this VM and the VM was amd64. I built an i386 image so it looks like I need to update inetd.conf
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| 12:22 | <ogra> vagrantc, hey, thanks for the confidence in my grammar *g*
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> heh :)
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| 12:27 | <johnny> ogra.. you're alive..
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| 12:27 | <ogra> johnny, well, buried under arms :)
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| 12:28 | <johnny> still?
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| 12:28 | whoa
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| 12:28 | <ogra> sure
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| 12:28 | <johnny> you're runna run out of food soon
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| 12:28 | <ogra> havent you seen linaro.org ?
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| 12:28 | <johnny> in fact.. you should be dead by now
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| 12:29 | did you somehow manage to integrate the processors into your body?
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| 12:29 | maybe.. you're a cyborg
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| 12:29 | <ogra> most of the arm people in canonical moved over to that
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| 12:29 | so i'm left with a small team for ubuntu arm
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| 12:29 | i sometimes feel like one
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| 12:29 | <johnny> so.. why did they split?
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| 12:30 | money? or they just felt like it was a better place to focus on arm linux stuff, and not just be tied to ubuntu/canonical stuff?
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| 12:49 | <jammcq> hellooooooo
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| 12:50 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 12:51 | <jammcq> hey vagrantc
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| 12:53 | <NeonLichT> vagrantc, o/
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| 12:54 | jammcq: \o
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| 12:57 | <vagrantc> NeonLichT: why, hello!
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| 12:58 | <NeonLichT> Hi :)
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| 13:29 | <tavis> hello all
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| 13:30 | any tricks to installing fonts on the client image?
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| 13:51 | <tavis> can't seem to get liberation fonts to list using xlsfonts on the clients. Ideas?
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| 14:03 | <johnny> uhmm.. is this with a problem that is running locally? or remotely..
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| 14:03 | do you use local apps or fat clients?
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| 14:04 | if not, then installing on the local image wouldn't be useful for any gui apps
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| 14:10 | <vagrantc> ogra: pfft. this bug report has gotten downright silly. LISP != LTSP.
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| 14:17 | <alkisg> Does anyone have some good method for broadcasting video to the clients?
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| 14:21 | <tavis> johnny: i think i might have found it... liberation fonts might not be in the path that xfs uses.
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| 14:21 | <johnny> xfs? who uses that tavis ?
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| 14:21 | alkisg, fluendo? vlc?
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| 14:21 | <tavis> johnny: x font server
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| 14:21 | <johnny> tavis, i know what it is
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| 14:22 | why are you using it
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| 14:22 | <tavis> johnny: the thin clients
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| 14:22 | <johnny> ltsp doesn't use it
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| 14:22 | it must be something you have extra
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| 14:23 | <tavis> johnny: in my lts.conf .... XFS_SERVER= and USE_XFS=True under [default]
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| 14:23 | <johnny> why are you using it?
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| 14:23 | * johnny can't help with xfs | |
| 14:23 | <johnny> nobody else i know here uses it
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| 14:24 | this is the first mention of it in 2 years i've seen
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| 14:24 | and i'm here almost 24/7
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| 14:24 | <tavis> johnny: ok is there a "proper" way to install fonts on the client image?
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| 14:24 | <johnny> why are you trying to install fonts on the clinet image
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| 14:24 | answer that before you decide that's what you need to do
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| 14:24 | what applications on the client image need them?
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| 14:25 | did you install local applications? or are you using a fat client setup?
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| 14:25 | <tavis> johnny: we use x5250 for our as/400.... it needs scalable fonts
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| 14:25 | <johnny> ah..
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| 14:25 | the proper way is to just chroot and and apt-get install <font package>
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| 14:25 | <johnny> and then exit the chroot and ltsp-update-image
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| 14:25 | <alkisg> johnny: thanks, I haven't heard about flumotion and I had problems automating streaming with vlc, looking into flumotion now...
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| 14:26 | <tavis> johnny: we have done that. xlsfonts does not show the fonts
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| 14:26 | <johnny> well.. it works for firefox
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| 14:26 | that's all i know :)
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| 14:26 | <johnny> your application is'nt an X application anyways is it?
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| 14:26 | it sounds console like .
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| 14:27 | alkisg, any hints on that?
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| 14:27 | <johnny> i've never had to mess with things that do it that way
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| 14:27 | <tavis> johnny: it is an X application ... that is why we use x5250 instead of just tn5250
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| 14:27 | <johnny> the problem is your app then :)
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| 14:27 | works in firefox :)
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| 14:27 | last i checked anyways..
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| 14:28 | <tavis> johnny: well it works fine on the ltsp "server" console
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| 14:29 | <tavis> johnny: ie when i run a xlsfonts in a term on the console ... i can see the font
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| 14:29 | <alkisg> johnny, tavis, I don't know much about fonts to help, but I think that in recent x servers, xfs isn't needed anymore. So I suppose that installing liberation on the server (not on the chroot) would be enough, but I'm not sure if that's actually true.
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| 14:30 | <vagrantc> try one, if that doesn't work, try the other...
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| 14:30 | and disabling USE_XFS is probably a good idea...
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| 14:31 | <tavis> well it is installed on the server.... and in the image. if i xlsfonts on the server it shows correctly but on any client xlsfonts does not down it
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| 14:31 | <vagrantc> tavis: with XFS disabled?
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| 14:32 | XFS might completely overridde what fonts are available
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| 14:32 | <tavis> vagrantc: yes we tried that as well.
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| 14:32 | <vagrantc> curious.
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| 14:34 | <tavis> ok we will step through the process again and see if we missed something
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| 14:34 | <vagrantc> tavis: you've rebooted the terminals after each change?
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| 14:37 | <tavis> of course :)
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| 14:38 | <vagrantc> just checking the obivous :)
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| 14:38 | <tavis> completely understandable .... it is usually something stupid...
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| 14:40 | <alkisg> Maybe xslfonts isn't the correct way to check if the font can be rendered?
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| 14:41 | (I've heard about fonts being rendered with the RENDER extension, but I don't know if they are listed with the other server fonts)
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| 14:48 | <tavis> i need them to be available as on the server through xlsfonts
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| 14:53 | s
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| 14:54 | <LedHed> if I'm running fat clients and I want to lockdown gnome, I should install 'pessulus' on the chroot correct?
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| 14:57 | <johnny> you should install sabayon
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| 14:57 | it will bring in pessulus
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| 14:57 | and also put sabayon apply in the the correct place
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| 14:57 | <LedHed> doesnt work in my environment
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| 14:57 | <johnny> huh?
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| 14:58 | <LedHed> I would have to install it on a seperate box and import the profiles
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| 14:58 | <johnny> yes..
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| 14:58 | that's what you have to do
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| 14:58 | you need sabayon-apply
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| 14:58 | <LedHed> humm, I'll look into it.
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| 14:58 | <johnny> just setup a vm environment and install ubuntu in that
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| 14:58 | so you can launch sabayon editor inside the vm
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| 14:59 | <LedHed> also is there a way to have clients get their DNS servers from DHCP rather than have LTSP generate resolv.conf?
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| 15:04 | <wahly> i just installed ltsp in debian sid (sudo apt-get install ltsp-server ltsp-client ltspfs) and i don't seem to have any vmlinuz.ltsp files
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| 15:04 | can i use any vmlinuz file, or do i need a specific ltsp vmlinuz file?
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| 15:04 | and where can i find a valid one to donwload?
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| 15:04 | <LedHed> you have to build a client
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| 15:05 | and the vmlinuz is stored in the tftpboot
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| 15:05 | <wahly> ah, ok. so vmlinuz is created as part of the ltsp-build-client command?
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| 15:05 | <LedHed> correct
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| 15:05 | <vagrantc> wahly: yes
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| 15:05 | <wahly> gotcha. thanks
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| 15:05 | <LedHed> yay! I helpped someone.
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| 15:05 | :)
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| 15:05 | * wahly cheers | |
| 15:06 | <vagrantc> LedHed: with sucess like that, you could try again sometime :)
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| 15:06 | <LedHed> lol
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| 15:06 | that was about as basic as it gets
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| 15:06 | which is at the edge of my abilities.
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| 15:06 | * LedHed has only been using LTSP for a few days | |
| 15:06 | <wahly> i used it about 6 years ago, but i don't recall all the setup steps :)
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| 15:07 | <LedHed> apt make it easy
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| 15:07 | <wahly> and i'm sure stuff has changed since then
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| 15:07 | indeed, apt is awesome
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| 15:08 | <LedHed> johnny, so where do I install sabayon-apply, the clients?
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| 15:08 | <johnny> just install sabayon in the chroot
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| 15:08 | it will setup sabayon-apply
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| 15:09 | <LedHed> ok
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| 15:10 | <alkisg> (11:02:10 μμ) LedHed: also is there a way to have clients get their DNS servers from DHCP rather than have LTSP generate resolv.conf? ==> they normally do - check your setup.
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| 15:10 | (e.g. if you use ipappend 3 to make them boot from a windows server, they won't get dns)
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| 15:10 | <wahly> what do you guys make of this? ltsp-build-client doesn't seem to be completing. the server is 64bit, i need 32bit clients: http://bpaste.net/show/6900/
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| 15:10 | <LedHed> BRB
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| 15:12 | alkisg, I read resolv.conf and it says its generated by LTSP, I'll try changing the settings on my DHCP.
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| 15:14 | <alkisg> It'll always be generated by ltsp, whether dns or lts.conf is used.
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| 15:17 | <vagrantc> wahly: try with --dist squeeze
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| 15:17 | wahly: sid periodically breaks.
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| 15:17 | <wahly> just typed that in as you said it :)
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| 15:17 | <vagrantc> that was a debootstrap failure
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| 15:18 | <wahly> is there a way to get more verbose info on the error, say, a log file or something?
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| 15:18 | <vagrantc> haven't implemented much in the way of extra verbosity
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| 15:18 | or log files
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| 15:21 | <alkisg> ltsp-build-client --extra-help | grep debug ?
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| 15:22 | <vagrantc> doesn't do much
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| 15:39 | <wahly> finally got the system to boot, but it is just spewing "nfsMount: need a path". it eventually brings up a busybox shell, but can't seem to find the target file system
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| 15:44 | <johnny> wahly, use --arch i386 if you want 32 bit..
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| 15:45 | <wahly> i did use that
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| 15:45 | <vagrantc> wahly: you configured dhcpd.conf to give it a root-path argument?
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| 15:46 | <wahly> nope, no root path...
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| 15:46 | * wahly re-reads /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf | |
| 15:46 | <vagrantc> see the docs in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples
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| 15:47 | though if you installed ltsp-server-standalone, you can usually just add: "include /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf;" to /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf and edit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 15:50 | <vagrantc> good luck
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| 15:54 | <wahly> woohoo! got it working
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| 16:09 | how well is 3d graphics working in LTSP these days?
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| 16:09 | last time i played with it (~6 years ago) it wasn't very good
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| 16:09 | s/3d graphics/accelerated graphics
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| 16:10 | <alkisg> xvideo usually plays fine, 3d usually not
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| 16:10 | <wahly> i'm more interested in compositing
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| 16:10 | for fun stuff in kde4
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| 16:10 | <alkisg> With intel cards I think it works fine, but I don't really use it.
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| 16:32 | <wahly> it seems as though the thin client is inheritting the font size of the root console. all the default fonts are quite large, even after setting them to "size 4" in systemsettings (in kde)
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| 16:47 | <LedHed> is there a way to bypass LDM_AUTOLOGIN? Say I walk up to a terminal that is set to autologin as a restricted user, but I want to login as and admin, Could I do somthing like log the user out and hold the SHIFT key to bypass the autologin so that I'm given a login prompt?
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| 16:48 | <alkisg> No, but there's LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT, maybe that could help you.
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| 16:48 | (i.e. leave 10 secs for the admin to logon if he wants before autologin)
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| 16:49 | <LedHed> humm, that might work, but I suspect it will confuse the users.
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| 16:50 | I could set it to something very short like 2 sec.
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| 16:53 | <johnny> LedHed, ther'es also the guest login option
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| 16:53 | as long as users know to press Guest
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| 16:53 | it's ok
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| 16:53 | <LedHed> hows that work?
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| 16:54 | <johnny> what do you mean?
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| 16:54 | the guest button uses the same LDM_USERNAME/LDM_PASSWORD as works with LDM_AUTOLOGIN
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| 16:55 | so.. you could just get rid of autologin.. and just enable LDM_GUESTLOGIN
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| 16:55 | <LedHed> that might work. but could I have multiple guests using Firefox.
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| 16:55 | <johnny> they are different accounts on the server
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| 16:55 | i told you this before iirc
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| 16:55 | so, you would setup an account *per pc*
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| 16:55 | <LedHed> I remember that part
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| 16:56 | * johnny wonders what alkisg is doing up this late | |
| 16:59 | * alkisg is testing vlc multicasting... seems to work fine so far | |
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| 17:04 | <LedHed> do fat clients get sync get their time from the local RTC?
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| 17:04 | err
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| 17:04 | wow my thought process was out of wack on that one.
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| 17:04 | :)
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| 17:11 | <alkisg> !lts.conf
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| 17:11 | <ltspbot> alkisg: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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| 17:11 | <alkisg> ^^ see TIMESERVER there
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| 17:11 | It's the same on both thin + fat clients.
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| 17:12 | <LedHed> funny. I was alraedy on that page. Just must have overlooked the TIMESERVER setting
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| 20:29 | <LedHed> is there a sabayon IRC channel?
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| 20:57 | <jammcq> hello all
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