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02:55 | <alkisg> I'm looking at a security problem, how can one take advantage of a suid root bash?
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02:55 | -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 800K 2010-05-19 10:47 bash
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06:41 | <AndyGraybeal> how is the new 10.4 doing with LTSP?
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09:18 | <rickogden> hi all, is there any way of using LTSP-5 without altering the DHCP?
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09:31 | <johnny> there's some dhcp proxy method, but i can't admit to having ready about it
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09:31 | !dhcp-proxy
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09:31 | <ltspbot`> johnny: Error: "dhcp-proxy" is not a valid command.
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09:31 | <johnny> hmm.. no page.. i wonder what it's called
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09:32 | <rickogden> :/
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09:33 | I need to use the DHCP server to get the client IP... but I can't modify it
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09:38 | <sbalneav> rickogden: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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09:38 | <sbalneav> !proxy-dhcp
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09:38 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: Error: "proxy-dhcp" is not a valid command.
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09:39 | <sbalneav> !dhcp-proxy
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09:39 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: Error: "dhcp-proxy" is not a valid command.
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09:39 | <sbalneav> ltspbot`: learn dhcp-proxy as https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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09:39 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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09:39 | <sbalneav> ltspbot`: learn proxy-dhcp as https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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09:39 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
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09:39 | <sbalneav> !proxy-dhcp
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09:39 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "proxy-dhcp" :: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
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09:39 | <sbalneav> Every day in every way we get better and better :)
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09:40 | <rickogden> hehe
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09:40 | thanks
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09:43 | <johnny> can you alias commands?
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09:43 | instead of maintaining 2 different lists?
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09:43 | that'd be neat
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09:43 | <sbalneav> On the bot? Don't think so.
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09:43 | We're running supybot, which is very extensible.
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09:45 | <sbalneav> One supposes we could modify the infobot plugin to learn word1-word2-...-wordn type aliases to answer for any permutation of word[1..n]
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09:45 | Or I could just define the two words :)
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09:45 | <johnny> until the urls change..and it becomes annoying
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09:48 | <sbalneav> That's why I keep the bot open so anyone can teach it things :)
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09:51 | <highvoltage> hi sbalneav
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09:54 | <sbalneav> highvoltage: Hey hey!
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09:58 | <Lumiere> sbalneav: that also gets us stuff like
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09:58 | !sbalneav
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09:58 | <ltspbot`> Lumiere: Error: "sbalneav" is not a valid command.
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09:58 | <Lumiere> or was it
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09:58 | !s
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09:58 | <ltspbot`> Lumiere: "s" :: Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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10:05 | <sbalneav> yup
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11:57 | <_UsUrPeR_> sbalneav: ping?
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11:59 | <gbit> Hi all
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11:59 | Where I can find LTSP source for using in slackware linux?
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12:01 | <johnny> it's not possib le to use ltsp in slackware until somebody ports the init scripts
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12:01 | and makes packages for the various files included upstream
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12:01 | it's all on launchpad if you search for ltsp
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12:02 | launchpad.net
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12:03 | <gbit> thanks alot
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12:28 | <grantk> hello
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12:30 | curios if anyone here has fixed problem with ubuntu 10.04 and a GLib warning for getpwuid_r() on logon? I have tried setting nomodeset option in my /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default but have not gotten that to work.
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12:31 | Installed nscd(normally install but had missed up to this point) in hopes of fixing based on some other peoples issues with adobe products and the same error, no go there either.
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12:32 | tried no lts.conf, then lts.conf with some LDM_DIRECTX=True, X_COLOR_DEPTH=16
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12:32 | settings too.
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12:33 | heading to try Helmut Lichtenbergs solution to his problems from Ltsp-discuss mailing list yesterday right now.
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12:41 | <grantk> creating an chroot /etc/X11/xorg.conf from that maling list email stopped me from getting gdm altogether.
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12:52 | shooting for disabling compiz now, just found gadi reply to fun+x bug in ltsp5.2/Lucid
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13:05 | <johnny> neither of those are related to the glib warning
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13:05 | the glib warning has nothing to do with X
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13:06 | my guess is something is actually wrong on your server, and not the client.. or more likely
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13:06 | <grantk> ahh, good
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13:06 | <johnny> you're seeing the warning that is present for all lucid ltsp users
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13:06 | but because of other problems.. it's actually visible
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13:06 | and not at all the real problem
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13:07 | <grantk> ohh, yeah, I had to take a video of the screen and pause it to actually see
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13:07 | <johnny> it's probably a wild goose chase
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13:07 | <grantk> ok, I can try setting up the server again, Local user is fine of course
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13:07 | <johnny> check /var/log/ldm.log on the client
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13:07 | by either setting SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf and checking the 2nd console via ctrl +f2
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13:07 | err ctrl + alt + f2
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13:07 | or, chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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13:08 | and set a password via the passwd command
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13:08 | <grantk> got that setup, I will have to get to a point where I can get back there
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13:08 | <johnny> and then exit and rebuild the image via ltsp-update-image --arch=i386
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13:08 | <johnny> you could install openssh-server on the client and login that way
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13:08 | <grantk> I did not have the forsight to save any of the logs before I did more damage:)
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13:08 | <johnny> after setting the pasword
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13:08 | best bet then
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13:09 | is to start over
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13:09 | built a new client
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13:09 | <grantk> I have seen others complain about kde, does this come around with gnome?
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13:09 | <johnny> depends on where the error is
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13:09 | but it's probably not related to kde
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13:10 | <grantk> ohh yeah, sorry, short term memory there
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13:10 | visible error not the problem!
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13:10 | <johnny> kde is not well supported, because few of the developers use kde
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13:10 | or none even
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13:10 | it's not terrible problems with kde.. as far as i can tell.. it mostly works
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13:11 | i haven't used kde in > 6 years myself..
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13:11 | <grantk> I had no problems with ubuntu 9.04 and kde
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13:11 | I would like to get away but the users would explode on trying to learn something new!
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13:11 | <johnny> well, i heard there were problems with local devices like usb flash/pen drives
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13:11 | <grantk> ahh, get lucky there, do not have to support that here!
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13:11 | <johnny> i don't know about that.. it's the techie poeple that are the hardest to switch
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13:12 | <grantk> I have tried to get a few to go but never had good luck
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13:12 | <johnny> most the non techy people i know.. are the easiest to switch to linux in the first place
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13:12 | i can never convince any windowsish techie to switch
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13:12 | but the reasons for not switching are becoming smaller..
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13:12 | <grantk> thats too bad
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13:12 | <johnny> like the whole steam thing
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13:12 | it's always .. this doesn't work.. or i can't play games, etc
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13:13 | but.. steam is making it's way to linux.. so that's a good start
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13:13 | <grantk> thats cool, I did not know that.
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13:13 | <johnny> now adobe just needs to get smart
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13:13 | and port photoshop
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13:13 | or at least support running it in wine
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13:13 | then it would only be the pro audio peeps left..
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13:13 | <grantk> I know I have seen people talk about older versions of photo shop running in wine but I never looked into it to see if it was difficult
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13:14 | ahh, Linux Journal was just talking about them pro audio peeps
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13:14 | apparently there are a couple of distributions gunning for them
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13:15 | I was able to get back to ldm on my client ldm log looks ok afaik, all processes exit with status 0 anyways
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13:16 | <johnny> read the log..
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13:20 | <grantk> ohh hey, it shows logged in succesfully, then goes to execute the rc files, starts the X session, does an ldm_spawn, then that pid exits with status 0, X session ended.
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13:21 | <johnny> ah
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13:21 | try
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13:22 | ssh -X <youruser>@server startx
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13:22 | oh
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13:22 | you're not logged in as that user on the server are ou?
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13:22 | <grantk> nope
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13:22 | I just tried and got denied by the Xserver, no permission
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13:23 | <johnny> replace X with Y
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13:25 | <grantk> similar problem
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13:25 | user not authorized, unable to connect to X server
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13:27 | hmm, I have Xaccess opened up to every host on my network so I would figure that would not become a problem.
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13:27 | <johnny> you should probaly try with another user
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13:27 | a new one
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13:27 | not one of your existing ones
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13:33 | <grantk> sorry, had a visitor
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13:33 | created a new user and had same issue, not authorized to run the X server
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13:34 | <johnny> hmm.. but can you login as that user?
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13:34 | with ldm normally
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13:34 | <grantk> yep
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13:34 | ohhh
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13:34 | <johnny> if not.. you have a problem elsewise..
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13:34 | i haven't upgraded to lucid yet, doing that on sunday
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13:34 | <grantk> did not check, sorry
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13:34 | hold on
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13:35 | i just tried running startx
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13:35 | from the ltsp terminal no, checking the virtual terminal now
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13:36 | same story on the virtual terminal, I will try and hunt something down about my X issues here. Thanks though
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13:43 | ugghh, sheepish explanation of the problem coming, but it has an excuse attached!
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13:43 | permissions on /tmp were 655
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13:43 | Xenserver template used, why would permies be set like that on /tmp. So I never checked!
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14:01 | <reynolds> anyone have an opinion about good server processors, for my 12 client lab?
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14:03 | <johnny> it's all about the same
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14:03 | just buy the best you can afford
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14:03 | and make sure you have quite a bit of ram
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14:04 | <reynolds> ok, any recommendations for GPU? I currently have a nvidia card and have had alot of problems.
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14:17 | <johnny> no need for a gpu..
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14:17 | on the server
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14:17 | so. whatever..
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14:17 | intel video is pretty awesome for linux tho
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14:19 | <reynolds> Ok Thanks.. no opinion regarding i7 or athalon?
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14:20 | quad vs processor power?
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14:21 | <thunsucker> Good Afternoon
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16:36 | <mordocai> Hello, i'm using ltsp on our testing server and we're working on moving it to production. I locked down everything i wanted to with gconf-editor but have found something that they can use to still get to a terminal. If they are using firefox(which i'd want them to be using) they can type file:///usr/bin/gnome-terminal to download the gnome-terminal binary. Then, they can click "Open containing folder" and modify the properties of t
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16:36 | have a terminal.
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16:37 | Since i'm trying to keep them away from a terminal, i was wondering if anyone knows of a way to prevent this.
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16:38 | This, of course, would work for most other applications i was trying to block them from, i would assume.n
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17:00 | <mordocai> Well, i think i'll actually submit this to the mailing list. I've got to run for now. If one of you thinks of anything, please e-mail me at mordocai@gmail.com. Thanks!
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18:28 | <LedHed> I'm new to LTSP. Has anyone created a LTSP console for tn5250?
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18:32 | <johnny> nobody knows what that is
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18:32 | you're going to have to provide more details
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18:33 | <LedHed> tn5250 is a terminal emulator? Its used to connect to an IBM AS/400 or iSeries
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18:33 | <johnny> sure.. but the specs
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18:33 | <LedHed> not sure what you're getting at
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18:34 | <johnny> if it doesn't have at least 128mb ram and a 4mb graphics card, and is 450mhz or so.. it's not usable
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18:34 | or, if you want it completely console.. it should have 96mb ram
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18:34 | <LedHed> its not a physical device.
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18:34 | <johnny> oh.. then it's not really related to ltsp then
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18:35 | <LedHed> what?
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18:35 | is this a hardware forum or something?
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18:35 | <johnny> it's for thin clients that connect to X serveres
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18:35 | that network boot
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18:36 | that's all ltsp does.. it's just glue on top of ssh , X and other standard unix tools
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18:36 | read this
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18:36 | !docs
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18:36 | <ltspbot`> johnny: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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18:36 | <johnny> that will tell you what ltsp does
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18:36 | <LedHed> I know what LTSP does.
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18:36 | <johnny> then.. your question is too broad
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18:36 | try to be more specific
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18:38 | <LedHed> in lts.conf, SCREEN_01=shell, or SCREEN_02=TELNET
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18:38 | has anyone done SCREEN_02=tn5250
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18:38 | <johnny> ah.. a screen script
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18:38 | much more specific
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18:39 | no.. never heard of one
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18:39 | might wanna ask on ltsp-discuss list.. never heard of that in this chat room
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18:54 | <LedHed> I've made changes to /tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf but the changes dont seem to effect the PXE clients. Is there something I need to change to make the clients grab lts.conf from the tftp server?
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19:08 | <johnny> LedHed, sounds like you made it unparsable
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19:08 | do you have a console?
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19:08 | type
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19:08 | getltscfg -a
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19:08 | if not, just paste your lts.conf to a pastebin
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19:09 | <LedHed> johnny, run getltscfg on the client or server?
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19:09 | <johnny> client
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19:09 | <LedHed> says getltscfg is not currently installed
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19:10 | <LedHed> server is ubuntu if that makes any difference
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19:11 | <LedHed> johnny, I just took the [default] from usr/share/doc/lts/examples
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19:12 | <johnny> no it doesn't
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19:12 | <LedHed> I did change KBLAYOUT to 'us'
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19:13 | http://pastebin.com/d9eAhfLf
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19:13 | <johnny> /usr/bin/getltscfg
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19:13 | if you don't have that.. then lts.conf changes will never get applied
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19:14 | you don't need LOCALDEV or sound.. because they default to true
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19:14 | <LedHed> ya /usr/bin/getltscfg doesnt exist
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19:14 | <johnny> then your install is not correct
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19:14 | <LedHed> installed via package.
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19:15 | <johnny> it should be in the client
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19:15 | installed what via package?
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19:15 | <LedHed> in Ubuntu, apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
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19:16 | <johnny> so.. you don't have /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/getltscfg ?
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19:17 | if you don't.. the the install is not finished
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19:17 | or amd64 if your chroot is amd64 and not i386
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19:17 | <LedHed> /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/getltscfg exists on the server
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19:17 | <johnny> that's what gets run on the client
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19:17 | so.. you should have it locally.. because that's the exact copy of what you have on the server
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19:18 | <LedHed> but /usr/bin/getltspcfg doesnt exist on the client
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19:18 | <johnny> ltscfg
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19:18 | not ltspcfg
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19:18 | <LedHed> right. typo
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19:18 | it doesnt exits
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19:18 | <johnny> it must exist.. if anything else does
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19:18 | otherwise you seriously broke something
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19:18 | something i can't even imagine
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19:19 | i've idled in this chatroom for years.. the only distro to have that problem is gentoo.. and that was fixed quickly..
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19:19 | <LedHed> I'll reinstall. maybe I botched something
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19:19 | <johnny> i doubt it..
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19:19 | i think you're just typoing
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19:20 | <LedHed> yup
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19:20 | /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/getltscfg doesnt exist
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19:20 | sorry
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19:21 | <johnny> ah.. that's more likely
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19:21 | i thought you said that did
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19:21 | ok
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19:21 | <LedHed> ugh
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19:21 | <johnny> yeah.. rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386
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19:21 | ltsp-build-client --arch i386
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19:21 | <LedHed> oh gawd
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19:21 | that takes forever
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19:21 | ubuntu repos are slow
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19:21 | took me almost an hour to build
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19:21 | <johnny> you must have picked the wrong ones
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19:22 | the packages download quick.. it's the rest that takes awhile
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19:22 | who knows what else is broken
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19:22 | <LedHed> when it downloads the generic kernel, it drops down to 1kbps
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19:22 | <johnny> that's why i suggest you rebuild.. instead of trying to fix it
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19:22 | never happened to me
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19:23 | <LedHed> ya, but I have terrible luck
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19:23 | <johnny> there are some options to pick that let it cache the packages locally
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19:23 | if you read ltsp-build-client --extra-help
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19:26 | <LedHed> yup its gonna take all night.
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19:26 | johnny, thanks for the help. I'll let it run over night. hopefully its done building by morning.
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19:30 | johnny, do you know how to use the --copy-package-cache option? Do Ineed to specify a path to store the cache?
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19:31 | --keep-packages, maybe thats what I need
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19:31 | <johnny> no.. sorry.. but google probably does
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19:32 | <LedHed> man pages dont have any info on the --extra-help
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19:32 | google doesnt have much either.
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19:32 | <johnny> try harder..
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19:32 | i've seen examples
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19:32 | i just don't recall where
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19:32 | i know they exist, just try different queries
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19:43 | <LedHed> johnny, could logging in as root cause problems?
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19:45 | <johnny> logging in as root to what?
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19:45 | <LedHed> to the client
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19:45 | <johnny> ubuntu doesn't come with a root user
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19:46 | if you mean on the thin client console
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19:46 | not really
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19:46 | <LedHed> all you have to do is set a password for it.
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19:46 | <johnny> yes
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19:46 | i don't see why, but you shouldn't log into an X session as root
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19:46 | <LedHed> there was no X session
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19:46 | it dropped to a command line
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19:46 | or shell
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19:48 | <johnny> oh.. no.. tha'ts fine
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19:48 | <LedHed> doesnt it start an X session by default?
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19:52 | <johnny> oh
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19:52 | you mean you used ldm to log into root user account on the server?
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19:52 | <LedHed> no
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19:52 | <johnny> then you're not being specific enough
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19:52 | don't make me guess
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19:53 | <LedHed> I booted the thinclient, a X login screen came up, I logged in as root, then the X session dropped to a shell
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19:53 | <johnny> ok.. so you used ldm
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19:53 | well i have no idea abut that
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19:53 | never tried
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19:54 | i don't see why it would break anything else tho
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19:54 | <LedHed> I didnt specifically set LDM, but that might be default behavior on Ubuntu
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19:54 | <johnny> ldm is required for an ltsp session
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19:54 | there isn't any other choice than sdm.. which barely even exists and probably doesn't even work right
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19:55 | <LedHed> you lost me.
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19:55 | Cant you set the SCREEN_?? = LDM or TELNET or RDESKTOP
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19:56 | oh never mind.
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19:56 | I'll try again tomorrow
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20:05 | <johnny> sure, but ldm is default to 7
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