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| 13:38 | <v4169sgr> Hello everyone ! :) I've installed LTSP-PNP on Ubuntu 16.04 following these instructions, and could do with a few pointers to get my clients logging in correctly
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| 13:38 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 13:38 | And also
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| 13:38 | https://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
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| 13:40 | The problem is that although the clients boot, logging in fails. Inspection of syslog shows:
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| 13:40 | Can't open authorization file /etc/ltsp/nbd-server.allow
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| 13:40 | If I just touch the file to create, then nothing can log in
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| 13:41 | My router acts as the DHCP server, and serves out leases. At the moment it serves out 10.0.0.91 first. If I add 10.0.0.91 to the allow file, then I don't seem to be able to pass the nbd negotiation stage
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| 13:41 | So what needs to go into this file, or do I need it at all?
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| 13:54 | <v4169sgr> At the moment I am seeing
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| 13:54 | Jun 6 14:52:19 aammscott nbd_server[6867]: Spawned a child process
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| 13:54 | Jun 6 14:52:19 aammscott nbd_server[30491]: virtstyle ipliteral
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| 13:54 | Jun 6 14:52:19 aammscott nbd_server[30491]: connect from 10.0.0.91, assigned file is /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 13:54 | Jun 6 14:52:19 aammscott nbd_server[30491]: No authorization file, granting access.
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| 13:54 | Jun 6 14:52:19 aammscott nbd_server[30491]: Starting to serve
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| 13:55 | <v4169sgr> try that again :)
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| 13:55 | Jun 6 14:53:11 aammscott nbd_server[6867]: Spawned a child process
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| 13:55 | Jun 6 14:53:11 aammscott nbd_server[31764]: virtstyle ipliteral
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| 13:55 | Jun 6 14:53:11 aammscott nbd_server[31764]: connect from 10.0.0.91, assigned file is /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 13:55 | Jun 6 14:53:11 aammscott nbd_server[31764]: No authorization file, granting access.
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| 13:55 | Jun 6 14:53:11 aammscott nbd_server[31764]: Starting to serve
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| 13:55 | Jun 6 14:53:11 aammscott nbd_server[31764]: Size of exported file/device is 2001760256
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| 13:55 | Jun 6 14:53:11 aammscott nbd_server[6867]: Child exited with 0
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| 13:56 | my current ltsp+i386.conf is
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| 13:56 | ltsp_i386.conf:
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| 13:56 | [/opt/ltsp/i386]
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| 13:56 | exportname = /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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| 13:56 | readonly = true
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| 13:56 | so I have removed the authfile line
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| 13:56 | and am running with no authfile
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| 13:57 | <v4169sgr> but still cannot log in from the client
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| 14:16 | <Lask> Hello,
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| 14:18 | <v4169sgr> Hello Lask, not sure if you are able to see the IRC logs for this afternoon. Would you be in a position to help?
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| 14:19 | <Lask> I'm testing LTSP in a virtual environment and I just set up a thin client running Ubuntu 14, but for some reason I can't login into this client. The documentation and tutorials on internet seems kind of older, has someone any ideia of what should I do? I'm not sure if I should create a special user to login in clients.
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| 14:24 | <ogra> Lask, LTSP logs in to the server ... as long as you have a desktop session installed on the server and the user can actually ssh to that server it should just work
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| 14:29 | <Lask> Yea, but in the current situation, I have a client witch does not logs in to the server. It just says that users or password are incorrect. I'm using the default setup for a thin client, and this same configurations works well with a debian jessie, but for some reason it doesn't work with Ubuntu
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| 14:31 | <ogra> Lask, check auth.log on the server to see if the login attempts arrive there (and if so ... if there are any errors)
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| 14:35 | <Lask> ok, i'll do it :)
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| 14:40 | <v4169sgr> Retesting:
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| 14:40 | From syslog:
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| 14:40 | Jun 6 15:35:39 aammscott dnsmasq-tftp[9194]: error 0 TFTP Aborted received from 10.0.0.91
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| 14:40 | Is that of concern ?
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| 14:41 | Again complains of
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| 14:41 | Jun 6 15:36:01 aammscott nbd_server[12211]: No authorization file, granting access.
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| 14:41 | but later contains
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| 14:41 | <Lask> ogra, I've tryed to log with my 'master' user. File auth.log registers the following lines:
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| 14:41 | <v4169sgr> Jun 6 15:36:22 aammscott nbd_server[12553]: No authorization file, granting access.
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| 14:42 | These are the last three lines:
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| 14:42 | Jun 6 15:36:51 aammscott nbd_server[13262]: Starting to serve
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| 14:42 | Jun 6 15:36:51 aammscott nbd_server[13262]: Size of exported file/device is 2001760256
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| 14:42 | Jun 6 15:36:51 aammscott nbd_server[6867]: Child exited with 0
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| 14:42 | I am not sure how to debug this
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| 14:44 | <Lask> Accepted password for master from 192.168.67.167 por 54278 ssh2 / pam_unix(su:session): session opened for user master by (uid=0) / Received disconnect from 192.168.67.167: 11: disconnect by user / pam_unix(sshd:session): session closed for user master
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| 14:57 | <||cw> "No authorization file, granting access." isn't a "complain", it's just information.
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| 14:58 | <v4169sgr> @||cw: thank you - not sure what I am missing or where I am going wrong
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| 14:58 | <||cw> what's it say on the client?
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| 14:58 | <v4169sgr> the client boots and gives the user the LDM logon screen
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| 14:59 | the user then logs on, but the client exits without creating a session
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| 14:59 | <||cw> then ndb is working
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| 14:59 | <v4169sgr> auth.log confirms the logon is successful
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| 14:59 | yes, I agree
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| 14:59 | <||cw> what desktop env are you using?
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| 14:59 | <v4169sgr> so really not sure what is going on :(
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| 15:00 | i386 unbuntu 16.04
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| 15:00 | 16.04.02 installed yesterday, and updated
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| 15:00 | previously I was running 12.04 with the same clients, without issue
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| 15:00 | <||cw> no, what DE. unity? mate?
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| 15:00 | <v4169sgr> on the same server
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| 15:00 | sorry, unity
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| 15:01 | <||cw> 12.04 is a whole different beast.
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| 15:01 | <v4169sgr> yes, getting that idea :)
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| 15:01 | <||cw> are the clients running as fat client or thin?
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| 15:01 | <v4169sgr> thin client
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| 15:01 | with no local resources
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| 15:01 | <||cw> unity probably won't work
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| 15:02 | unless they finally fixed 2d fallback
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| 15:02 | <v4169sgr> ok, so how do I give the clients a different desktop manager?
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| 15:02 | <||cw> install it ont he server and choose at login, same as you would for a PC
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| 15:02 | <v4169sgr> unity on the server is working fine
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| 15:03 | <||cw> yeah, because it's not trying to stream 3D support over the lan
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| 15:03 | <v4169sgr> ok :)
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| 15:03 | right, from zero, then, what do I need to install
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| 15:03 | <||cw> you're using pnp right? are the clients not capable of fat client?
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| 15:04 | <v4169sgr> "unity 2d" ?
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| 15:04 | PNP yes, no the clients are dedicated in hardware
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| 15:04 | <||cw> what does "dedicated in hardware" mean?
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| 15:04 | <v4169sgr> I've chosen PNP to give me DHCP masquerading on a single NIC
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| 15:05 | <||cw> I think Mate is what is recommended
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| 15:05 | <v4169sgr> it means I am running purpose built thin clients, without any internal storage, and not reconditioned PCs
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| 15:05 | <||cw> if the clients had 2GB+ ram fat client mode is preferred as well
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| 15:05 | <v4169sgr> ok, understood, but I really don't want to rip up my work and start again
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| 15:05 | <||cw> that still doens't mean anything
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| 15:06 | for ltsp to be at play, it has to be x86 pxe capable system. whether it's an old PC, a small embedded system, or a chromebook doesn't matter. the client specs is what matters
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| 15:07 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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| 15:07 | <v4169sgr> brb, will confirm the specs
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| 15:12 | <||cw> v4169sgr: in case it was clear, the only difference between fat client and thin client is where the programs run and how the nbd image is made. thin they run on the server and the nbd image can be very minimal, fat they run on the client so the nbd image needs a full desktop. everything else is the same.
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| 15:12 | <v4169sgr> Understood, thanks :)
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| 15:12 | The client hardware is Dell FX170
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| 15:12 | https://www.cnet.com/products/dell-optiplex-fx170-atom-n270-1-6-ghz-1-gb-1-gb/specs/
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| 15:13 | They should be run as thin clients
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| 15:13 | <||cw> IIRC< pnp builds a fat client image and decides at boot time if the client is good enough for fat client
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| 15:15 | i don't recall the trigger, but you can control it in your lts.conf with the FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD option
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| 15:15 | or LTSP_FATCLIENT to override hard
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| 15:16 | but first I'd try installing the mate desktop package and rebuild the client image
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| 15:16 | <v4169sgr> So do you think the problem could be that the server is serving a fat client image, which the client cannot take?
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| 15:16 | ok, dumb moment
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| 15:16 | "there's a mate desktop package?" :P
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| 15:19 | ok, installed the mate desktop package, and rebuilding the client image
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| 15:20 | time before last I tried that, it hung my server which then had to be hard reset
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| 15:20 | existing possible ssd perf issue, not sure what THAT is
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| 15:22 | <||cw> is the server install 32bit? I'm sure it would boot with as little as 512MB ram if so.
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| 15:22 | if the server is x64 I'm not sure you can use PNP, you'll need to make a normal x86 client image
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| 15:23 | <v4169sgr> Yes, is all i386, server and client
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| 15:23 | deliberate choice
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| 15:23 | <||cw> right, client won't boot at all if it wasn't. forgot that
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| 15:24 | <v4169sgr> was running a more conventional setup on 12.04 with an i686 server, a chroot, and i386 image
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| 15:24 | but that wouldn't allow ANY other device to connect than thin clients, as I had to stop DHCP on the router and host it on the server
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| 15:24 | so hopefully this route will be more flexible :)
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| 15:25 | right, perf sucks rocks, but I think it's gonna make it LOL
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| 15:27 | <||cw> that's just a matter of getting your DHCP right. I have active directory host DHCP and DNS, a separate router, a separate linux box for PXE for general maintenance and native deployments, and that redirects thins to the ltsp server, which i have 2 of. one 10.04 for some really old clients and one 16.04 for newer hardware
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| 15:28 | <v4169sgr> Nice :) I have one box to maintain, prefer it that way ...
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| 15:28 | rebuild finished, now to test
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| 15:28 | <||cw> mines all in a VM infrastructure, so technically it's only 3 boxes
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| 15:29 | including your typical mid size business setup (mssql, iis, apache, file server, etc)
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| 15:35 | <v4169sgr> that's waaayyy OTT for my humble needs - well done :)
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| 15:35 | ok, have retested
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| 15:35 | I see the following desktop environments available in the session menu on the client
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| 15:36 | "default, failsafe xterm, ubuntu"
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| 15:36 | default and ubuntu both fail to load
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| 15:36 | failsafe xterm does log me in
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| 15:36 | I don't see mate tho
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| 15:36 | would I need to restart nbd-server ?
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| 15:38 | <||cw> not sure
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| 15:43 | that does seem like the client image isn't rebuilding. does mate work on the server?
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| 15:46 | <v4169sgr> I am going to see: retesting just now delivered the same results. What about the FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD or LTSP_FATCLIENT parameters? I might be able to get the whole shooting match off the ground if I can convince the server to deliver a thin client image ...
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| 15:52 | <v4169sgr> @||cw: no sign of mate desktop actually being used, but highly likely that I am trying to use fat client images when the client h/w would only work with thin client images
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| 15:53 | <||cw> add the lts.conf option to disable fat client then. those clients are fully capable of loading a fat client image, and will even run certain tasks far better than thin
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| 15:58 | <v4169sgr> ok, have just added
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| 15:58 | # Force all clients to load as thin clients
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| 15:58 | LTSP_FATCLIENT=false
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| 15:58 | to the end of my lts.conf file
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| 15:58 | do I need to restart any server process before trying again ?
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| 15:59 | <||cw> for pnp I don't recall. normally no
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| 16:06 | <v4169sgr> same results as before
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| 16:06 | wonder if I would need to rebuild the image?
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| 16:07 | this is what it is trying to do
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| 16:07 | from syslog
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| 16:07 | Jun 6 17:04:51 aammscott nbd_server[29822]: Size of exported file/device is 2196922368
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| 16:10 | <||cw> can you login to mate on the server lcoally?
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| 16:10 | <v4169sgr> I don't see a way to, which is really confusing me
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| 16:10 | mate-desktop IS installed
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| 16:11 | the fx170s have 1 GB ram, so I could try setting FAT_RAM_THRESHOLD=2000
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| 16:12 | <||cw> wonder if it needs ubuntu-mate-desktop
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| 16:13 | <v4169sgr> probably, trying it now
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| 16:14 | will probably have to rebuild the image afterwards too :)
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| 16:14 | <||cw> yes
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| 19:08 | <v4169sgr> @||cw: just wanted to say 'thank you' for your help today.
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| 19:09 | installing ubuntu-mate-desktop and rebuilding the image did the trick, and we can now use the clients.
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| 19:10 | back in the 12.04 days, I seem to remember needing to do something similar, only it was to do with unity-2d
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