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Channel log from 29 May 2009 (all times are UTC)
| 00:30 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: or we could sneak the change in upstream :P
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| 00:30 | <vagrantc> quick, warren's not looking!
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| 00:30 | <Ryan52> hehe
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| 00:31 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: i'd say the bugfix raphael pointed out should go upstream, but i still think we should patch around the "use our own eval_gettext implementation" mess, at least in debian.
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| 00:32 | <Ryan52> I still don't know what raphael was talking about..
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| 00:32 | can you make the change really quickly and show me the diff?
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| 00:34 | <ltsppbot> "vagrantc" pasted "possible security to our hackish eval_gettext function in ldm-script" (13 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/361
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| 00:34 | * vagrantc changes native languages | |
| 00:37 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: i haven't tested it or anything...
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| 00:38 | <Ryan52> I didn't expect you to :)
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| 00:39 | <vagrantc> i've already got patches to remove all that cruft.
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| 00:39 | <Ryan52> hm...how does that work?
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| 00:39 | whatever, I don't care :P
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| 00:42 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: interestingly enough, you were the committer who committed all eval_gettext workaround stuff.
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| 00:43 | <Ryan52> oops
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| 00:43 | * Ryan52 always does all of the bad commits in ltsp :P | |
| 00:44 | <vagrantc> well, you've done plenty of good ones to make up for it :)
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| 00:44 | <Ryan52> well I didn't write it, I don't use $*. :)
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| 00:44 | * Ryan52 still doesn't know the difference between $* and $@ | |
| 00:44 | <vagrantc> i'm sure it was on behalf of fedora or something
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| 00:47 | <vagrantc> seems like ldm's generate_locale_list.py bug with the nb_NO locale is fixed in debian sid.
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| 05:29 | <stgraber> ogra: ping
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| 05:29 | <ogra> pong
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| 05:29 | <stgraber> ogra: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportUdhcp
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| 05:34 | <highvoltage> stgraber: "udhcp does not use debhelper. ". that's under standards compliance, I assume it means that it's a bad thing if a package doesn't use debhelper?
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| 05:36 | <stgraber> highvoltage: well, it's not reported as an issue by lintian or any other tools on the Debian maintaining page so ...
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| 05:36 | and AFAIK we have a few similar packages like dnsmasq
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| 05:42 | <moldy> johnny: yes, removing the PPID fixes it for me
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| 05:43 | the whole student-control-panel code looks very fragile to me
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| 08:24 | <_UsUrPeR_> :D
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| 08:24 | g'mornin #ltsp
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| 08:30 | <cliebow> good morning ltsp!~
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| 08:31 | <Appiah> good ... something :)
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| 08:31 | <cliebow> god day for a boatride
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| 08:40 | <_UsUrPeR_> cliebow: where are you?
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| 08:41 | geographically...
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| 08:44 | <cliebow> Maine
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| 08:45 | <Lumiere> cliebow: not so nice a day here...
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| 08:45 | it's so humid I can barely breathe T_T
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| 08:47 | <_UsUrPeR_> nice 61 F morning in local Detroit
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| 08:47 | <cliebow> it is misting here..on the verge of rain..but a dya away from the office..on a boat..and getting paid is not so bad
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| 08:47 | _UsUrPeR_, so yu must be near the jam?
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| 08:48 | <_UsUrPeR_> yep!
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| 08:48 | never met the guy personally, but he is local.
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| 08:49 | <cliebow> he is good shade in the summer 8~)
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| 08:50 | Ill never forget the Sunday morning i first signed on here asking questions..and got to talk to the guy that wrote the software..
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| 08:55 | <_UsUrPeR_> yeah, that's pretty cool
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| 09:06 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 09:17 | <cliebow> !s
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| 09:17 | <ltspbot`> cliebow: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:25 | <sbalneav> Morning cliebow
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| 09:25 | can I come for a ride on the boat?
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| 09:26 | <cliebow> any time
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| 09:27 | <sbalneav> We're gonna be there again this year, yes?
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| 09:33 | <cliebow> hope so
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| 09:33 | jammcq's call
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| 09:42 | <sbalneav> cliebow: I suspect that if no-one else ever wants to go back to bar harbour again, but I phone up jammcq and say "I'm takin' a plane down to detroit, lets hop in the suburban and go visit Chuck", he'd say yes so fast it'll make your head spin.
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| 09:48 | <cliebow> that would be awesome..again..
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| 09:49 | <johnny> moldy, it is
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| 09:50 | <sbalneav> I mean, geez, I've only got one Jordan's mug. My goal is to have a whole set of 'em. That's going to take at LEAST 7 more trips.
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| 09:50 | <johnny> moldy, i only use it for 2 things, sending a message, blanking the screen
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| 09:57 | <antgel> hi all, i've not done any LTSP for a while, have deployed muekow successfully in the distant past. i have a question - i'm looking at LTSP for a new deployment of EPOS (till) workstations, but it's crucial that each till somehow knows which physical machine it's running on.
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| 09:57 | of course, currently we just call hostname, but in an LTSP environment, hostname returns the server hostname. is there any workaround?
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| 09:58 | i remember that printers and sound can be piped across the network to an LTSP workstation, so they can't be /that/ ignorant of their "real" identity :)
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| 09:58 | any assistance appreciated
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| 09:58 | <vagrantc> use $SSH_CLIENT
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| 09:59 | should give you the ip address of the thin client
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| 10:00 | <antgel> vagrantc: well, that seems straightforward enough. i'd rather have hostnames but i can have fake "hostnames" in the application database and map them to the $SSH_CLIENT addresses
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| 10:01 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 10:07 | <antgel> vagrantc: thanks a lot *crosses fingers ;) *
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| 10:34 | <antgel> does the if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" { line in the dhcpd.conf file make the DHCP server only respond to that subnet if it's a PXE Client? i already have another dhcp server on this network and i want to use this dhcp server only for the LTSP clients, not the "normal" workstations
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| 10:34 | i've already commented out 'authoratitive'
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| 10:36 | or do i have to include all my LTSP workstation mac addresses in dhcpd.conf?
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| 10:37 | <alkisg> antgel: it answers to pxeclient but not to ipconfig. What distro?
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| 10:37 | <antgel> alkisg: debian
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| 10:37 | (lenny)
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| 10:37 | <alkisg> Hmmm not sure what debian uses in the initramfs, I guess it's ipconfig?
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| 10:38 | !pastebot
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| 10:38 | <ltspbot`> alkisg: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 10:40 | <antgel> alkisg: not a clue. basically there's already a DHCP server on this network serving .100 - .200. i've set up this second dhcp server to serve .240-.250. what do i need to do to ensure that the second server only responds to the PXE machines on the network?
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| 10:40 | that's what my question /should have been/
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| 10:40 | <vagrantc> it's ipconfig, yeah.
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| 10:40 | <antgel> vagrantc: oh, good, saved me asking what i need to paste :)
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| 10:40 | <alkisg> antgel: you may easily do that for the initial boot, but you'll have trouble doing it for the second dhcp request
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| 10:41 | <vagrantc> two DHCP servers = pain
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| 10:41 | <alkisg> So when ipconfig asks a lease, it'll get it from the first one available
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| 10:42 | <antgel> FFS. so it might be best for me to drop the first server (an ADSL modem / router)
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| 10:42 | <alkisg> You can bypass that by putting 'IPAPPEND 3' to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default,
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| 10:43 | or you could use the latest dnsmasq (need compiling from source) that functions as a proxydhcp server => you'll only have the router as a dhcp server
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| 10:43 | The dnsmasq dev has done this just for this kind of setups
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| 10:43 | <antgel> alkisg: that doesn't seem like a whole lot of trouble (IPAPPEND 3), what's the drama with that?
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| 10:44 | <alkisg> No big drama, but it's a hack
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| 10:44 | <antgel> alkisg: i know less about dnsmasq than dhcpd - this is just for a trial system - let's get something up and running and worry about elegance later :)
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| 10:45 | <ltsppbot> "alkisg" pasted "example dhcpd.conf for when also a router-dhcpd is present" (41 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/362
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> ok, use this ^^^ as a template (sorry for the greek comments in it)
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| 10:46 | <antgel> alkisg: with this level of free support, you don't need to apologise :)
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> and do: echo "IPAPPEND 3" > /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 10:47 | Sorry!!!
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| 10:47 | That was supposed to be >>
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| 10:47 | <antgel> >> surely
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| 10:47 | heh
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> to append, not overwrite
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| 10:47 | <antgel> next it'll be telling me to do rm -rf :)
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| 10:47 | <vagrantc> well, that's easy enough to regenerate
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| 10:47 | <alkisg> And finally do: ln -s ltsp/i386/lts.conf /var/lib/tftpboot/lts.conf
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| 10:48 | <vagrantc> huh?
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| 10:48 | <alkisg> That's to enable it to find lts.conf after the hack in IPAPPEND 3
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| 10:48 | <vagrantc> no, lts.conf is pulled right from NFS. not used in debian.
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| 10:48 | <alkisg> See latest Gadi's patch, it fixes that... (empty tftppath)
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| 10:48 | Ah sorry
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| 10:48 | So it's not in tftpboot dir?
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| 10:49 | <vagrantc> right- no reason to, as you can edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf directly
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| 10:49 | <antgel> right, well i'll nip downstairs and try to boot this thing up
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| 10:52 | okay, it got an ip but hung at TFTP... i'll check the tftp server and syslog
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| 10:54 | <alkisg> antgel: next-server 10.160.31.10; => put your ltsp server there
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| 11:00 | <antgel> alkisg: i think it's simpler - tftpd wasn't configured properly in inetd.conf
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| 11:00 | <alkisg> Or that :)
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| 11:31 | <antgel> hmm, getting nfsmount: "need a path". will paste dhcpd.conf
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| 11:31 | <ltsppbot> "antgel" pasted "dhcpd.conf" (33 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/363
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| 11:35 | <antgel> rootpath is blank on the client, i'll try prepending the server ip address - ISTR that bug a long time ago
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| 11:38 | <antgel> no, no joy, does anyone have a clue?
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| 11:39 | i tried option root-path "192.168.1.200:/opt/ltsp/i386";
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| 11:40 | same thing, starts to boot then nfsmount: need a path just scrolls up the screen, and i can see just before that the workstation's rootpath is blank
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| 11:42 | i'm also getting tftp: client does not accept options in syslog - not sure if that's important
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| 11:50 | <alkisg> antgel: it's because of ipappend 3
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| 11:50 | <antgel> okay, i've worked out that even though it PXE boots successfully, when the kernel tries to get the IP address with ipconfig, it's getting it from the wrong DHCP server
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| 11:50 | <alkisg> antgel: really, try dnsmasq :)
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| 11:51 | <antgel> alkisg: should the ipappend be in capitals? maybe it's not working
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| 11:51 | <alkisg> can you pass the ntfroot as a kernel parameter?
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| 11:51 | <alkisg> Is it a PXE client, or an etherboot one?
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| 11:51 | <antgel> alkisg: i would, but even though it's a hack, ipappend was appealing. i need to try getting something up in next 1/2 hour, and learning dnsmasq is not appealing (this week)
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| 11:51 | it's PXE
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| 11:52 | <alkisg> what do you have in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default now?
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| 11:52 | <antgel> alkisg: DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp boot=nfs IPAPPEND 3
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| 11:52 | <alkisg> IPAPPEND 3 should be on a seperate line AFAIK
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| 11:53 | and remove ip=dhcp
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| 11:53 | <antgel> alkisg: i'll be back in a minute!
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| 11:53 | <alkisg> In essence, IPAPPEND 3 constructs an ip=the-ip-from-dhcpd.conf kernel parameter
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| 11:55 | ...and try to include nfsroot=xxx in the kernel parameters there
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| 11:57 | <antgel> alkisg: no joy, ipconfig contacted the right DHCP server, but it got the wrong DNS address and rootpath was still blank. i'll try setting nfsroot
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| 11:58 | <alkisg> Wrong dns address? That's a dhcpd.conf issue
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| 11:59 | <antgel> alkisg: not according to http://pastebot.ltsp.org/363
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| 11:59 | should be .1 - ipconfig thought it was .200
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| 12:00 | <alkisg> antgel: ah right ipconfig doesn't have a dns parameter: http://codtech.com/wiki/index.php/Ipconfig#interface_spec_long_form
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| 12:00 | So you'll have to put that in lts.conf
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| 12:00 | But it shouldn't matter if you use IPs in nfsroot etc
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| 12:01 | <johnny> would be nice to see ipconfig disappeared
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| 12:01 | <alkisg> Amen! :)
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| 12:01 | <johnny> why doesn't ubuntu use udhcp in the initramfs?
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| 12:01 | <alkisg> It does
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| 12:01 | It's just not the default client yet
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| 12:01 | It'll be default in 9.10
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| 12:01 | <johnny> so.. how can you fix the initramfs to use it?
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| 12:02 | btw.. this tells me why my gentoo setup was so easy to use a seperate server
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| 12:02 | <alkisg> chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install udhcpc && ltsp-update-image
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| 12:02 | <johnny> uhmm.. in the initramfs?
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| 12:02 | how does that work?
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| 12:02 | <alkisg> Right, and update-kernels
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| 12:02 | <johnny> ah
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| 12:02 | so it automatically looks for it? no stuff to do with initramfs-tools?
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| 12:03 | <alkisg> Yes, in 9.04
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| 12:03 | <johnny> ok awesome
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| 12:03 | <antgel> alkisg: hmm, read: Connection refused scrolling up the screen - rootpath: still empty
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| 12:04 | ah, wrong ip in nfsroot *blush*
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| 12:04 | <antgel> someone's firewall probably just went mad :)
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| 12:05 | and we're booting!
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| 12:05 | <alkisg> Well done :)
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| 12:05 | <johnny> thanks alkisg
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| 12:06 | now i understand
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| 12:06 | <antgel> alkisg: thanks for great help, and i learnt something along the way
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| 12:07 | <alkisg> antgel: ipconfig-related knowledge is useless, really :(
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| 12:08 | johnny: actually I was wrong about ltsp-update-image, this is the correct way:
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| 12:08 | `Real dhcp client support, installing udhcpc in the chroot, then running "update-initramfs -u" will install a real dhcp client that'll renew its leases. `
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| 12:08 | ..and ltsp-update-kernels after that.
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| 12:09 | <johnny> ahh.. i figured you'd have to do update-initramfs :)
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| 13:48 | <agliodbs> hey, are any of the ltsp core going to be at OSCON this year?
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| 14:17 | <vagrantc> oscon migrated too far south to bother
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| 14:18 | although last year, we pretty much had our own shindig
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| 14:18 | there will be a few folks at FISL, in brazil in late june
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| 14:59 | <agliodbs> vagrantc: that's good to hear
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| 14:59 | I'm trolling for lightning talks though
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| 14:59 | so I'll take that as a no
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| 14:59 | and ha ...
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| 14:59 | San Jose == Too Far South
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| 14:59 | Porto Alegre == Not too far south?
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| 15:00 | ;-)
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| 15:00 | <vagrantc> apparently, yes.
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| 15:02 | <agliodbs> anyway, please mention it to Jim/Scott if you remember when you see either of them
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| 15:02 | just in case theya re going
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| 15:11 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: ^^
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| 15:32 | <epsas> alright
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| 15:32 | has anybody succesfully backported the xlib libraries for debian / ubuntu?
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| 15:32 | firefox is painfully slow
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| 15:39 | <vagrantc> there's a thread about it on ltsp-discuss
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| 15:56 | <Ahmuck> what do i need to do to back up user directories for a re-install
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| 16:03 | <johnny> Ahmuck, uhm.. cp -av.. rsync, tar cvzpf
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| 16:03 | rsync with --archive that is..
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| 16:18 | <epsas> cool
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| 16:21 | Nagle algorithm
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| 19:08 | <MikeMc> Hi. I am looking for help on ltsp-cluster
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| 19:34 | <MikeMc> Can anyone help me with ltsp-cluster?
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| 19:35 | <agliodbs> I'm afraid that after 5pm PDT on a friday is a bad time to look for help
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| 19:36 | try the mailing list
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| 19:39 | <MikeMc> Thanks
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| 20:40 | <tdiguy> greetings all
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