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Channel log from 9 May 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:38 | <krinns> hi all
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| 00:38 | i have novel linux desktop with sp3
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| 00:38 | i need to have usb on ltsp4.2
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| 00:38 | any idea?
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| 01:41 | <Mineque> hello
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| 02:50 | <jammcq> g'morning all
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| 02:55 | moquist: ping
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| 03:31 | <highvoltage> morning jammcq and moquist
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| 03:48 | <ogra> vagrantc, http://www.bernardbelanger.com/computing/NaDa/
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| 04:29 | <Nikopoika> need to know something, can i use "esound" to stream sounds to thin clients? atm all sounds comes from the server...
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| 04:29 | i've heard this is a common problems and it needs some sort of a 1337 h4x0r to get sounds working in thin clients...
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| 04:31 | but is there a "easy-way-around" to get sounds from the thin clients..?
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| 04:31 | <jammcq> if you use LTSP-5 on Ubuntu 7.04, it should just work
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| 04:32 | <Nikopoika> well... i'm using ltsp-4.2 on mandriva 2007...
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| 04:32 | <jammcq> umm, you *should* be able to get it working, but i'm not the sound guru
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| 04:33 | if you check with some of the others, in the US a bit later today, you might get an answer
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| 05:28 | <federicoco> hi all... any idea of audio on ltsp client?
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| 05:31 | <moquist> jammcq: pong
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| 05:34 | <moquist> jammcq: I've pinged agriffis to see if he's republished his configs recently. I'll let you know.
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| 05:35 | <jammcq> moquist: tanks
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| 05:37 | <highvoltage> jammcq: sladen says he thinks the slowness of the Ubuntu kernel in LTSP might be caused by something that's called an interrupt delay. it's something they tweaked in the ubuntu kernel. have you talken to any ubuntu kernel guys yet?
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| 05:37 | <jammcq> talked to 2 kernel guys, BenC and someone else
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| 05:41 | <jammcq> highvoltage: see if you can get more details from sladen
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| 05:44 | <federicoco> hello all have u any idea of enable audio (ac97) on ltsp client?
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| 05:46 | <ogra> in ltsp5 it should work out of the box
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| 07:17 | <meduxa> http://wiki.tcosproject.org/Main_Page
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| 07:17 | this is the TCOS wiki page
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| 07:18 | Mario, the TCOS developer, is arriving to the UDS
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| 07:18 | <str4nd> Unable to locate remote host wiki.tcosproject.org.
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| 07:18 | Alert!: Unable to connect to remote host.
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| 07:18 | <meduxa> He wants to present to ltsp dev that are already there his new ideas implemented in this project to be able to collaborate
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| 07:25 | <str4nd> Hmm, TCOS.. :o
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| 07:26 | <yoho> anyone: which distro should i use if i want software RAID and LTSP?
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| 07:27 | <ogra> ubuntu or debian indeed :)
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| 07:27 | <Blinny> heh
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| 07:29 | <meduxa> jurl, let me check
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| 07:29 | <yoho> ogra: right , but which version, is 'Alternate Install CD' available for ubuntu 7.04?
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| 07:29 | <ogra> sure
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| 07:29 | <yoho> i understand i need 'Alternate' for RAID, right? (i really want edubuntu)
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| 07:30 | <ogra> http://www.bernardbelanger.com/computing/NaDa/
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| 07:30 | erm, sorry, wrong link
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| 07:30 | http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/
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| 07:30 | <meduxa> str4nd: http://www.tcosproject.org/
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| 07:30 | <ogra> grab it from there, install a normal desktop with raid from the alternate CD and then follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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| 07:30 | <meduxa> it is right for me
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| 07:30 | I'm able to see the web page normally
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| 07:31 | <yoho> ogra: and how do i add the other packages that are in edubuntu?
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| 07:31 | <ogra> yoho, oh, you want edubuntu ?
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| 07:31 | then ignore the above
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| 07:31 | <yoho> y
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| 07:31 | <ogra> http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/7.04/
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| 07:32 | grab the classroom server and the classroom server addon CDs
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| 07:32 | have a server with two NICs and install from the server CD ... that will set up the ltsp stuff automatically
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| 07:32 | <yoho> that has raid?
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| 07:32 | <ogra> after your first login just pop in the addon CD
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| 07:33 | <str4nd> Host www.tcosproject.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
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| 07:33 | <ogra> its identical to the ubuntu alternate CD but has the ltsp autosetup and different branding
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| 07:33 | <str4nd> my *cking dns :D
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| 07:33 | <yoho> for a production (school) environment, 7.04 is better than 6.06?
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| 07:34 | <ogra> 7.04 has far more features
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| 07:34 | <yoho> great, thanks!
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| 07:45 | <yoho> ogra: do i select "Manually edit partitioni table" to address RAID config?
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| 07:46 | <vagrantc> yoho: probably
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| 07:52 | <ogra> yes, yu need to create md devices
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| 07:54 | <meduxa> str4nd: since the web is new, maybe it is a DNS spread problem, try tomorrow
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| 07:54 | or later, ok?
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| 07:58 | <vagrantc> ogra: ltspfs virtual hal devices, room E
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| 07:59 | <ogra> yep, just done with themes ...
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| 07:59 | <mhterres> morning
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| 07:59 | <ogra> smoke break ...
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| 08:08 | <str4nd> meduxa: now DNS working :p
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| 08:08 | <meduxa> ok
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| 08:17 | <jammcq> hello kidz
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| 08:17 | <mhterres> hi jim
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| 08:18 | <jammcq> hey
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| 08:19 | <krinns> hay
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| 08:19 | any one knows
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| 08:19 | i have ltsp4.2
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| 08:19 | needs usb on that
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| 08:20 | <jammcq> krinns: what do you want to know?
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| 08:20 | <krinns> how i add usb in ltsp4.2
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| 08:21 | <jammcq> usb is already in ltsp-4.2
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| 08:21 | do you have a USB device ?
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| 08:22 | <Guaraldo> krinns: Its simple... Just two or tree lines on your lts.conf and one package to be installed (maybe already installed)
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| 08:23 | <krinns> what is that package n what lines?
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| 08:23 | <jammcq> krinns: WHAT are you trying to do?
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| 08:24 | <krinns> i need to have my usb sticks to work on thinclient
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| 08:24 | <Guaraldo> krinns: on the server: install fuse-utils libfuse2 libx11-protocol-perl
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| 08:25 | <jammcq> aahhhhhh you are talking about USB Sticks
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| 08:25 | coulda been usb mouse or usb keyboard
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| 08:25 | <jsgotangco> jammcq: uncle!
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| 08:26 | <krinns> hum
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| 08:26 | and wht lines to add in lts.conf
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| 08:26 | <Guaraldo> krinns: and the package ltsp-server-pkg for your distro...
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| 08:27 | <Guaraldo> fallow the lines: LOCAL_STORAGE = Y MODULE_01 = "uhci-hcd" MODULE_02 = "usb-storage" MODULE_03 = "sd_mod"
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| 08:27 | <jammcq> Guaraldo: he doesn't need those MODULE lines
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| 08:27 | that's all automatic
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| 08:28 | <mhterres> even for 4.2 version ?
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| 08:28 | <jammcq> yes
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| 08:28 | <Guaraldo> jammcq: Oh!, sorry... I still use those lines...
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| 08:29 | * Guaraldo will correct his documentation... | |
| 08:29 | <zege> Hi. I've got a Problem with ltsp. I've installed a full ltsp environmenton my ubuntu 6.06.1 server, tftp is up and running, dhcpd works and nfs is sharing the filesystem. But when i try to boot my thin client (IBM Netvista) it says: no pxe server found, using standard boot file. Then it tries tftp, but i seems that it doesn't find a kernel to boot. Can someone help me?
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| 08:29 | <mhterres> We didn't knew that
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| 08:29 | <krinns> jammcq
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| 08:29 | then wgt line
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| 08:29 | i add?
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| 08:32 | <jammcq> krinns: what distro are you using?
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| 08:32 | <krinns> ubuntu 6.06
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| 08:32 | oand novel linux desktop
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| 08:32 | <jammcq> novell ?
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| 08:32 | <Guaraldo> krinns: ???
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| 08:32 | <jammcq> this should work for Ubuntu, but not for Novell
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| 08:33 | you should add: LOCAL_STORAGE = Y
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| 08:33 | <krinns> only single line
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| 08:33 | for novell
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| 08:33 | and for ubuntu
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| 08:34 | <Guaraldo> krinns: For Ububtu...
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| 08:34 | <zege> Nobody an idea?
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| 08:34 | <sbalneav> zege: what does your dhcpd.conf file look like?
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| 08:34 | Paste it to the pastebot
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| 08:34 | !pastebot
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| 08:34 | <ltspbot`> sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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| 08:34 | <zege> mom
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| 08:34 | <Guaraldo> zege: Does the thinclient boots???
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| 08:35 | <jammcq> zege: IBM Netvistas are very problematic
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| 08:35 | <zege> jammcq: it was running some time ago, with the same install
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| 08:36 | <jammcq> zege: check this wiki page: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Clients#IBM_NetVista_clients
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| 08:36 | <joebaker> One of my LTSP 5 Ubuntu 7.04 users just "hibernated" the ltsp server :)
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| 08:36 | <zege> i set it up to be a pc and now i'm using the intel etherboot client
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| 08:36 | <jammcq> joebaker: ooops
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| 08:36 | <joebaker> I can confirm that indeed the dhcp server doesn't restart properly after resuming from hibernation.
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| 08:38 | <krinns> Guaraldo
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| 08:38 | i wont understand
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| 08:38 | <zege> sbalneav: http://files.zege.at/dhcpd.conf
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| 08:39 | <Guaraldo> krinns: I cant confirm it works on novell
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| 08:39 | <krinns> ok
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| 08:41 | <joebaker> man :Command not found --- this is weird...
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| 08:41 | The manUAL command..
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| 08:42 | <Guaraldo> joebaker: Oh!, its not a good new...
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| 08:42 | <sbalneav> zege: looks like those netvistas are going to be tough to get going.
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| 08:43 | <joebaker> Guaraldo: Ubuntu-desktop doesn't seem to include man in it's base packages. apt-get install man did the trick
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| 08:43 | <zege> sbalneav: they worked fine some time ago. But then they stopped, and i don't know why. Now I'm setting up the server again, but i can't get them working. :(
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| 08:45 | <sbalneav> Looks like the netvistas are non-standard devices. The last time anyone updated the info on that page jammcq sent you was back in 2002
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| 08:45 | the kernel they were using was 2.4.x
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| 08:45 | <jammcq> cliebow has done alot with netvistas
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| 08:45 | but I seem to remember it requiring a 2.4 kernel, which means it won't work with ltsp-4.x
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| 08:45 | <sbalneav> jammcq: has he got them going with ltsp5?
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| 08:45 | <jammcq> no
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| 08:46 | but I don't think zege is trying ltsp-5, is he?
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| 08:46 | <zege> jammcq: i dunno
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| 08:46 | jammcq: how do i check what version i use?
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| 08:48 | i use the default ubuntu 6.06.1 package ltsp-server-standalone
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| 08:48 | <sbalneav> That's ltsp 5
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| 08:49 | No work has been done on that to make it work on netvistas.
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| 08:49 | <zege> ok, but as i sayed before, the netvistas worked with this setup some time ago
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| 08:50 | i just putted them into PC mode, and used the Intel Etherboot client
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| 08:50 | <sbalneav> ok, so it used to work on ltsp3, with kernel 2.4
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| 08:50 | we're now on ltsp5, with kernel 2.6
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| 08:50 | <zege> sbalneav: no, they worked with ltsp5
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| 08:50 | <jammcq> zege: what distro?
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| 08:50 | <zege> ubuntu
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| 08:50 | 6.06.1 dapper drake
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| 08:51 | <sbalneav> wait, you're using etherboot?
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| 08:51 | <zege> yes
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| 08:51 | <ogra> joebaker, why would you need a man command in an environment where you have no user accounts even ... we dont install man in the chroot
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| 08:51 | <sbalneav> your dhcpd.conf is wrong.
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| 08:51 | <zege> why
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> you're only doing pxe boots in that one.
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| 08:52 | <ogra> joebaker, also what kind of desktop are you using ? gnome is patched and wont provide any hibernate options if a user comes from an ltsp client
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| 08:52 | <sbalneav> you don't provide the etherboot option.
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| 08:52 | if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" {
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| 08:52 | filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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| 08:52 | }
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| 08:52 | else{
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| 08:52 | filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
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| 08:52 | }
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| 08:52 | you need something like that, to differentiate between pxe and etherboot.
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| 08:53 | <zege> mom
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| 08:53 | but there is no nbi.img ...
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| 08:54 | <ogra> sbalneav, dapper had no etherboot support out of the box ... mknbi was buggy, remeber ?
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| 08:54 | joebaker, feel free to add something to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/48212 about the dhcpd stuff if you feel like
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| 08:54 | <sbalneav> zege: Well, if you had it going before, then you must have had an nbi img
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| 08:55 | <vagrantc> unless the version of etherboot supports PXE emulation
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| 08:55 | <zege> fuck, the netvista got up right now. but there is still some work to do.
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| 08:55 | <sbalneav> zege: language please.
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| 08:55 | <zege> ok,sry
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| 08:56 | now the kernel got loaded, but it can't mount the root file system, permission denied
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| 08:56 | lets see
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| 08:56 | do i have to add hosts to hosts file, like the ltsp-admin utility did?
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| 08:58 | <ogra> zege, ltsp5 does everything automatically ...
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| 08:58 | imagine a lveCD that sets up X for you etc
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| 08:58 | *liveCD
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| 08:58 | <zege> ogra sure?
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| 08:58 | <ogra> you *can* override that in lts.conf
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| 08:58 | <zege> because there are no entries in hosts hosts.allow and hosts.deny
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| 08:58 | <ogra> but it usually works out of the box
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| 08:58 | no need for that
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| 08:59 | <zege> ok, but why do i get permission denied with nfs?
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| 08:59 | <vagrantc> some other reason, for sure.
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| 08:59 | * vagrantc thinks a bit | |
| 08:59 | <ogra> dhcp ?
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| 08:59 | or network package size ?
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| 09:00 | <ogra> check the wiki.ltsp.org site about nfs
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| 09:00 | <vagrantc> !nfs
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| 09:00 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "nfs" is the protocol that serves the files needed by LTSP. You can find info at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS
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| 09:00 | <ogra> ah :)
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| 09:03 | <zege> ogra: but nfs is working, i have some mounts no my local pc
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| 09:04 | <vagrantc> zege: grep root-path /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
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| 09:04 | <ogra> then its likely to be dhcp not pointinhg to the right nfs server or so ...
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| 09:05 | <jammcq> zege: also, do this: showmount -e
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| 09:05 | make sure it agrees with what your root-path is set to
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| 09:07 | <zege> shomount -e: Esport List for ONENATION: /opt/ltsp *
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| 09:07 | and the dhcpd.conf points to the right server
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| 09:07 | <jammcq> what's the path?
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| 09:08 | <vagrantc> zege: could you please paste the output exactly as it says
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| 09:08 | <zege> very difficult, because i'm on a terminal, and i don't know how to paste from tty1 to tty3
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| 09:08 | <jammcq> then type it. it's not that long
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| 09:09 | <joebaker> ogra: It's the main LTSP server that needed the man command. I wasn't referring to the LTSP chroot. Is there a way I could have said that better. Wow this NoMachine is great. I though when you suspended a session that IRC wouldn't continue receiving messages. To my delight and astonishment I can look back through the evening logs of the #ltxsp channel.
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| 09:09 | <zege> ok
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| 09:09 | <vagrantc> zege: does it contain an ip address?
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| 09:09 | <zege> mom#
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| 09:10 | the netvista tryed to mount 192.168.1.1:192.168.1.1:/opt/ltsp/i386 so i fixed the dhcpd.conf and now waiting for the netvista
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| 09:11 | and now everything is alright. it boots up normally<
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| 09:11 | thanks everyone :) !
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| 09:12 | <vagrantc> zege: if you had just grepped the line from dhcpd.conf i could have told you that much quicker :P
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| 09:14 | <zege> yes, what shall i say now .... ;)
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| 09:14 | <vagrantc> well, you already said thanks, so :)
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| 09:14 | <zege> THANKS!
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| 09:15 | and i say it again, only for yiou
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| 09:16 | <vagrantc> heh
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| 09:16 | <zege> vagrantc: do you know the default xdmcp port?
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| 09:16 | <vagrantc> grep xdmcp /etc/services
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| 09:16 | <zege> because i want to set up xdm instead of gdm, but i don't know the port
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| 09:17 | <vagrantc> why do you need to know the port?
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| 09:17 | <zege> thx
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| 09:17 | for the config file
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| 09:17 | there was a 0 instead of the port
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| 09:20 | * vagrantc suspects zege is editing the wrong file | |
| 09:20 | <vagrantc> !gdm
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| 09:20 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: Error: "gdm" is not a valid command.
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| 09:20 | <vagrantc> !xdmcp
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| 09:20 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: Error: "xdmcp" is not a valid command.
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| 09:21 | <vagrantc> ltspbot`: factoids search --values
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| 09:21 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'ubuntuquick', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', (1 more message)
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| 09:21 | <vagrantc> !grayscreen
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| 09:21 | <ltspbot`> vagrantc: "grayscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen#GDM
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| 09:21 | <zege> vagrantc: i edited /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config
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| 09:21 | the last line:
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| 09:22 | DisplayManager.requestPort: 0
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| 09:22 | <vagrantc> ah, you want xdm instead of GDM ... got it
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| 09:22 | i think that same URL has instructions for xdm on the same page
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| 09:22 | <zege> yes, because its very simple ;)
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| 09:29 | <zege> vagrantc: isit possible that my client-environment includes a displaymanager? because i changed the dm on my server, but the clients still show a gdm
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| 09:30 | <vagrantc> zege: the default is to use LDM
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| 09:30 | zege: unless you've set a SCREEN_NN= in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 09:31 | default for ltsp5
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| 09:31 | <zege> there is no lts.conf in my /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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| 09:36 | <vagrantc> well, then you must be using the defaults :)
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| 09:37 | <zege> :) i think that ubuntu changed the defaults ;) but i added a server entry to my new lts.conf and now i'm trying again :)
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| 09:42 | <vagrantc> yes, completely insecure connections is no longer the default in ltsp5
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| 09:53 | <vagrantc> anyone want to review https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ltsp/+spec/network-boot-menu ?
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| 10:04 | <Blinny> vagrantc: Looks fine to me (:
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| 10:05 | <Gadi> would it hurt to capitalize the first word? ;)
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| 10:10 | <vagrantc> Gadi: it very well might
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| 10:10 | <Gadi> dude, ur in Spain - speak English!
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| 10:11 | ;)
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| 10:11 | <vagrantc> lo siento
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| 10:12 | * vagrantc feels the pain | |
| 10:12 | <cliebow_> Gadi:back under you rock now ..you have contributed to open source!
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| 10:17 | * vagrantc finds other less-capitalized letters | |
| 10:20 | <highvoltage> capitilized in English is capatilised :)
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| 10:20 | * highvoltage ducks | |
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| 10:26 | <vagrantc> gah.
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| 11:07 | <dan__t> 'morning..
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| 12:01 | <joebaker> ogra: The hibernate issue came because of XDMCP/GDM I'm _not_ having the users come in through LDM.
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| 12:01 | <ogra> well ...
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| 12:03 | joebaker, export LTSP_CLIENT="blah" on login
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| 12:03 | g-p-m will respect that then
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| 12:03 | <jammcq> hola
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| 12:04 | <Guaraldo> Hi, Jim... How are you?
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| 12:10 | <jammcq> highvoltage: ping
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| 12:10 | moquist: ping
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| 12:13 | <joebaker> ogra: where might I hook into such a login script to add the export LTSP_CLIENT="blah" where it will only affect XDMCP clients?
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| 12:18 | <ogra> joebaker, no idea, i never use xdmcp
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| 12:18 | <joebaker> thanks
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| 12:20 | So if I switch to LDM this problem would just go away.... Hmmm... tempting... Probably other things would start to work as well. I swim upstream too much. I'll try it.
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| 12:24 | * Lumiere wants to change the relase date for ubuntu... | |
| 12:24 | <Lumiere> (at least edubuntu)
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| 12:47 | <moquist> jammcq: pong
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| 12:59 | <cliebow_> moquist:Wow..that was awful qiock!
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| 13:04 | <Blinny> time=2280000ms
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| 13:24 | <PY1NB> where do I set screen resolution for clients?
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| 13:24 | <Blinny> PY1NB: lts.conf
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| 13:25 | <cliebow_> for starters...what distro?
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| 13:27 | <PY1NB> tnx
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| 13:27 | where does lts.conf lives?
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| 13:28 | /opt/ltsp-4.2/i386/etc/lts.conf ?
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| 13:28 | what do I need to restart in order to the server reflect the changes I made?
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| 13:29 | <Blinny> PY1NB: Yes. Check out the X_MODE_0 directive.
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| 13:29 | PY1NB: Just the thin client.
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| 13:29 | <PY1NB> cool! tnx
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| 13:32 | I changed there, but when I reload the client (ctrl-alt-bkspace), stills at 640x480
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| 13:32 | <Blinny> PY1NB: You're just reloading the previously-created XF86Config file. You need to restart the client.
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| 13:35 | <PY1NB> ok
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| 13:37 | hmm, no change
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| 13:40 | <Blinny> PY1NB: What xserver is the client running?
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| 13:40 | <PY1NB> X11 ?
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| 13:40 | I think its the default one
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| 13:43 | <Blinny> PY1NB: If it's staying at 640x480 then it's probably running VESA. This is the fall-back video mode that works on almost all video cards, but is really slow. XOrg usually can guess what kind of card you have, but in your case it probably isn't guessing correctly. You may need to specify which xserver to run. Read up here: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/VideoCards
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| 13:44 | <PY1NB> hm, thats an old trident adapter
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| 13:48 | XSERVER = trident ?
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| 13:48 | or XSERVER = X.org
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| 13:50 | <Blinny> I thikn you can XSERVER=trident
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| 13:55 | <PY1NB> XSERVER=trident still on 640x480
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| 13:55 | <Blinny> Scan you xorg.log to see what is being used
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| 13:55 | (on the client.. is located in vt2)
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| 13:55 | probably
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| 13:56 | <Gadi> PY1NB: if this is LTSP5, you may need to specify X_VERTREFRESH and X_HORZSYNC
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| 13:57 | <PY1NB> Gadi: I did
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| 13:57 | <Gadi> what values?
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| 13:58 | <PY1NB> X_HORZSYNC = 30-54 X_VERTREFRESH = 50-110
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| 13:58 | its a phillips 105s monitor
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| 13:58 | <Gadi> that horizontal sync is very low
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| 13:59 | <PY1NB> google gave me that
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| 13:59 | * cliebow_ cliebow waves to Gadi | |
| 13:59 | <Gadi> where did you get that range from?
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| 13:59 | * Gadi gives cliebow_ the high school senior nod | |
| 13:59 | <cliebow_> or was that a smirk 8~)
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| 13:59 | <PY1NB> http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/philips/105s.html
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| 14:00 | http://www.sprint.net.au/~terbut/usefulbox/p105s.htm also tells the same
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| 14:02 | <Gadi> ok, well: 1. put them in quotes
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| 14:02 | like: "30-54"
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| 14:02 | 2: make sure you have: XSERVER=trident
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| 14:03 | <Gadi> and: X_MODE_0 = "1024x768"
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| 14:03 | if it continues to be stubborn, you can set: SCREEN_02 = shell in lts.conf
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| 14:04 | then hit ctrl-alt-f2 on the thin client, bring up a shell, and look at the client's Xorg log file
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| 14:04 | <PY1NB> http://pastebin.us/33406
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| 14:04 | <Gadi> it will tell you why the videocard refuses to give you the resolution you want
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| 14:06 | <PY1NB> where is the xorg log file?
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| 14:06 | <Gadi> LTSP5: /var/log/X.org.....
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| 14:07 | <PY1NB> /var/log is empty
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| 14:07 | <Gadi> thats interesting
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| 14:07 | hmm
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| 14:07 | how about /tmp
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| 14:08 | <PY1NB> neither
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| 14:08 | it is logging remotely at the server
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| 14:09 | <Gadi> hmmm
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| 14:09 | should still produce a Xorg log file
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| 14:10 | <PY1NB> bah
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| 14:14 | cant find this damn log file
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| 14:14 | doesnt log remote neither
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| 14:16 | <Blinny> Mine is located in /tmp/mnt
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| 14:19 | <PY1NB> ops, my badI , found it
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| 14:22 | lemme try to find something bad on it
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| 14:24 | <cy_co1> trying to setup a thinclientlab (edubuntu 7.04), there is a configurationtool named ltsp-manager, which does not work. Can anybody confirm that?
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| 14:25 | <PY1NB> Blinny: log says: insufficient memory for mode :( is this video card memory? or pc memory?
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| 14:25 | <Gadi> video memory
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| 14:25 | you may need to specify
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| 14:25 | the driver may not be able to determine how much video mem there is
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| 14:26 | <PY1NB> also, the other workstation which was working, now only loads X, not the x_login_thing
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| 14:26 | Gadi: how dould I do it?
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| 14:27 | <Gadi> try: X_VIDEORAM = 2048
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| 14:27 | in lts.conf
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| 14:27 | <PY1NB> tnx
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| 14:27 | * Gadi is not sure if this was implemented in ltsp5 | |
| 14:27 | <Gadi> but worth a try
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| 14:28 | otherwise, you may need to create a static xorg.conf file for that machine and call that file with XF86CONFIG_FILE
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| 14:29 | specifying the video memory as you would in xorg.conf
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| 14:30 | <PY1NB> great success!!!
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| 14:30 | tnx for help folks!
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| 14:30 | but I do have a small problem now... it doesnt load the X login daemon, only that X cursor :(
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| 14:31 | and I only played on the lts.conf file
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| 14:31 | <Gadi> PY1NB: ldm is really slow
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| 14:31 | try waiting a bit
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| 14:31 | :P
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| 14:32 | or try specifying more video memory (if you know how much the card has)
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| 14:32 | more video memory will help speed that a bit
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| 14:36 | <PY1NB> waiting for more than 10 minutes
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| 14:36 | the ws which was working, now stopped and only shows X cursor
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| 14:36 | <cliebow_> Gadi:what "runlevel" is graphic in ubuntu..5?
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| 14:36 | <Gadi> 2
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| 14:37 | <cliebow_> thanks..
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| 14:37 | <Gadi> PY1NB: try 800x600
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| 14:40 | <PY1NB> Gadi: but it was working on the other station
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| 14:40 | <Gadi> are they the same hardware/
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| 14:40 | ?
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| 14:41 | <PY1NB> no
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| 14:41 | <Gadi> are you putting entries in [Default] in lts.conf?
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| 14:41 | if so, then they will affect all terminals
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| 14:42 | to affect only one particular, make a new section with: [<MAC address of terminal>]
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| 14:42 | and put the specific entries there
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| 14:45 | <PY1NB> Gadi: I put host specific entry
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| 14:46 | <nate66s> howdy... can i ask a question about a potential problem with etherboot?
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| 14:49 | <nate66s> Just installed Edubuntu 7.04 and I'm trying to boot an old Jammin 125, but I'm getting an error message when it tries to load the kernel over eitherboot. The message is "...(ELF)... segment in reserved area" I'm wondering if this might be an issue with the older version of Etherboot. Any thoughts?
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| 14:49 | The version of Etherboot is 5.0.5
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| 14:54 | <cliebow_> that version Is ancient huh..
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| 14:54 | built before there Was a 2.6 kernel
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| 14:54 | <nate66s> yep
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| 14:54 | <cliebow_> jammcq is still in SPain..so he is six hours ahead of us..
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| 14:55 | Gadi:you are not in Spain are you?
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| 14:55 | i bet Ron would ship you a newer prom..
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| 14:56 | <nate66s> should i just send an email to diskless workstations, you think?
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| 14:56 | <Gadi> cliebow_: me no
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| 14:56 | <nate66s> i don't have ron's email address
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| 14:56 | <cliebow_> nate:lemme look at disklessworkstations
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| 14:58 | send it to jam at mcquil.com he'll forward it..or deal with it..
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| 14:58 | <nate66s> okay, will do.. thank you
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| 14:59 | <cliebow_> pleasure
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| 15:02 | <cliebow_> byeeeeeee
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| 15:05 | <PY1NB> I rebooted the server and it works ok now! thank you folks!
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| 15:10 | <nick125_> Afternoon everyone
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| 15:10 | Oooh, 5.0
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| 15:10 | shiny
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| 15:10 | Anyone here play with 5.0 on gentoo yet?
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| 15:12 | <lns> What's up all
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| 15:12 | Can anyone verify that the instructions for upgrading the chroot for Edubuntu Feisty (at https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLTSPUpgradeNotes) is the same for Ubuntu? If not, can anyone throw me a link? I can't seem to find Ubuntu specific LTSP chroot upgrade instructions.
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| 15:15 | <PY1NB> gadi, u tehre?
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| 15:15 | <Gadi> i love philosophical questions
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| 15:15 | <PY1NB> I could load the trident client, but the screen is split in two. any ideas about fixing that?
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| 15:16 | <Gadi> split in 2?
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| 15:17 | how do you mean?
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| 15:17 | <PY1NB> the same image twice, with a horizontal line between them
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| 15:18 | seems frequency mode related
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| 15:18 | <Gadi> sounds like a syncing issue
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| 15:18 | yeah
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| 15:18 | <PY1NB> should I manually put modelines?
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| 15:18 | <Gadi> is there an autoadjust button on the monitor?
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| 15:18 | try that first
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| 15:19 | <PY1NB> ok
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| 15:20 | no autoadjust
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| 15:20 | <Gadi> hmm
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| 15:21 | <PY1NB> # Philips 105s CM2300
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| 15:21 | Modeline "1024x768" 78.80 1024 1050 1153 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync
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| 15:22 | X_MODE_0 = "1024x768" 78.80 1024 1050 1153 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsyncXSERVER = trident
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| 15:22 | trying this last
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| 15:25 | <lns> Bueller? ;)
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| 15:26 | <mage> wow trident
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| 15:27 | haven't heard that in years
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| 15:27 | <PY1NB> welcome to third world
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| 15:28 | <mage> oh is PY1NB a callsign?
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| 15:31 | <PY1NB> yes it is
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| 15:31 | <PY1NB> are you a ham?
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| 15:31 | <mage> yup
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| 15:31 | <PY1NB> 73, pleased to meet ya
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| 15:33 | <mage> ltsp on the terminals is a nice fancy shellscript, i'm not really sure on the syntax of how that X_MODE_0 would get used
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| 15:33 | * sutula waves from K0BJS in Colorado, USA | |
| 15:33 | <PY1NB> what a ham world!
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| 15:33 | <mage> VA7KYL is mine
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| 15:34 | <PY1NB> oh, canada
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| 15:34 | how often do you stick to #hamradio?
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| 15:34 | <mage> never been there
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| 15:34 | <PY1NB> cool place, nice folks
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| 15:34 | how active you are?
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| 15:35 | <mage> not active on the radio at all, mainly help my club with computer issues
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| 15:36 | <PY1NB> when I put X_MODE_0 = "1024x768" 78.80 1024 1050 1153 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync I have syntax error
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| 15:36 | <mage> ltsp 4? 5?
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| 15:36 | <PY1NB> I am not much active now, tough I have HF station running
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| 15:37 | <mage> could try a node specific x config file
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| 15:37 | <PY1NB> afraid it is ltsp4
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| 15:37 | <mage> thats what I ended up doing last time I used ltsp
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| 15:37 | of course my knowledge is from looking at the scripts for ltsp3 ;)
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| 15:38 | <sutula> PY1NB: It's a shell variable assignment, I believe...do you need the whole thing in quotes?
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| 15:38 | <mage> X_MODE_0 = "\"1024x768\" 78.80 1024 1050 1153 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync"
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| 15:38 | thats my humourous guess
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| 15:39 | ugh
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| 15:39 | can someone send me an initramfs from ltsp4?
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| 15:40 | <PY1NB> lemme check this
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| 15:43 | <mage> whoops, I know what file I want on ltsp5
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| 15:45 | <Gadi> PY1NB: put quotes around the whole thing and drop the ones around 1024x768
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| 15:49 | <anco> hey all
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| 15:49 | Did anybody try to download and install server addon cd2 edubuntu 7.04
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| 15:50 | I downloaded it and the edubuntu website doesn't talk at all about the second cd
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| 15:50 | only that it should be easy to install.... well i don't see how yet
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| 15:52 | I can't find what cd2 has to offer and why I should simply use synaptic to install whatever extra I like to install
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| 15:55 | <PY1NB> Gadi: did not work
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| 15:55 | still have parse error
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| 15:55 | <Gadi> PY1NB: it should read: X_MODE_0 = "1024x768 78.80 1024 1050 1153 1312 768 769 772 800 +hsync +vsync"
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| 15:58 | <PY1NB> ah, ok
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| 15:58 | was 1024x768 "blah blah"
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| 16:07 | <PY1NB> Gadi: it got better... seems I need to tweak the settings now to finetune
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| 16:23 | <highvoltage> ltspbot`: tell jammcq pong
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| 16:23 | <ltspbot`> highvoltage: Error: No factoid matches that key.
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| 16:23 | <highvoltage> dum bot.
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| 16:41 | <lns> Can anyone tell me why this is happening?
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| 16:41 | $ sudo ltsp-update-kernels
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| 16:41 | Password:
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| 16:41 | Updating tftp directories for chroot: /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 16:41 | Skipping yaboot configuration. install yaboot package if you need it.
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| 16:41 | Skipping PXE configuration. Install the syslinux package if you need it.
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| 16:41 | I've got syslinux installed....?
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| 16:45 | <mage> possibly not to a place where that script sees it
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| 16:45 | <lns> do i have to install syslinux manually under the chroot?
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| 16:46 | <mage> possibly
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| 16:46 | maybe they mean a ltsp package for syslinux that throws it in the chroot
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| 16:48 | <lns> hrm
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| 16:48 | <cliebow> lns:never heard of such a thing..
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| 16:48 | <lns> what's up cliebow
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| 16:49 | it's strange, i know
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| 16:49 | <cliebow> hey!..just throwing my one cents worth in
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| 16:49 | <mage> same
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| 16:49 | <lns> I'm sure it's probably related to ltsp-build-client erroring out
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| 16:49 | <lns> ln: creating symbolic link `/dev/fd' to `/proc/self/fd': File exists
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| 16:49 | <lns> error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 16:49 | <cliebow> ogra would say be sure you do ltsp-build-client to a clean place..
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| 16:50 | <lns> yep...did that
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| 16:50 | <cliebow> not over an oldie
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| 16:50 | <lns> well i did rm -r /opt/ltsp/i386 ;)
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| 16:50 | <cliebow> lns:is your version of ltsp-server ancient?
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| 16:50 | <lns> nope..just upgraded to feisty
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| 16:51 | <cliebow> checjk your version..that sounds like a version 1.2-something error
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| 16:51 | <lns> can i rm -r /opt/ltsp/i386 without having to download all the packages again? i have to wait like 20 mins every time i try again
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| 16:51 | <cliebow> the cache should not be affected
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| 16:51 | <lns> ii ltsp-server 0.124
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| 16:52 | cool
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| 16:52 | <cliebow> can you try to apt-fget install ltsp-server..see if you get like e5.0.6?
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| 16:53 | <lns> bah! it did effect the cache
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| 16:53 | <PY1NB> where can I find a modeline for a specific monitor?
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| 16:53 | <lns> booo for you =p j/k its ok
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| 16:53 | k i'll try
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| 16:54 | <mage> PY1NB: what part is off? the cycles or the alignment?
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| 16:54 | <PY1NB> mage: the image is split in two, I believe the cycles
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| 16:54 | <cliebow> lns:cripes..i forgot it was chroot..sorry
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| 16:54 | <lns> cliebow, should i trust this? ...
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| 16:54 | its ok
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| 16:55 | check it out
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| 16:55 | The following extra packages will be installed:
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| 16:55 | openbsd-inetd
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| 16:55 | Suggested packages:
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| 16:55 | dhcp3-server sdm audiooss
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| 16:55 | Recommended packages:
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| 16:55 | ltspfs
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| 16:55 | The following packages will be REMOVED:
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| 16:55 | netkit-inetd
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| 16:55 | The following NEW packages will be installed:
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| 16:55 | openbsd-inetd
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| 16:55 | The following packages will be upgraded:
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| 16:55 | <lns> ltsp-server
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| 16:55 | 1 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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| 16:55 | <mage> insert comment on pastebin
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| 16:55 | <lns> Need to get 92.2kB of archives.
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| 16:55 | After unpacking 61.4kB of additional disk space will be used.
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| 16:55 | Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
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| 16:55 | sorry :(
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| 16:55 | <mage> whats not to trust?
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| 16:55 | <cliebow> i thionk it is ok..different tftp daemon/\\
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| 16:56 | <lns> well i just did the server dist upgrade and i'm wondering why it didn't upgrade ltsp-server...
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| 16:56 | this is on 64-bit ubuntu server btw
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| 16:56 | <PY1NB> mage, any idea?
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| 16:56 | <mage> cliebow: inetd isn't tftp daemon
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| 16:56 | <cliebow> no..but it passes out tftp
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| 16:56 | <mage> PY1NB: I'd grab a manual, or try and find standard modelines
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| 16:56 | PY1NB: typically I've only had to specify a higher refresh rate in the x config and the standard modes work
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| 16:57 | <lns> ok it's upgraded now...wtf, do you know why the dist upgrade didn't upgrade ltsp-server?
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| 16:57 | <mage> hah and my workstation doesn't have an X config :-/
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| 16:58 | <PY1NB> which part is the refresh rate? the first number?
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| 16:58 | <lns> i used the commandline deal that was recommended on the ubuntu update site
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| 16:58 | <mage> hangon, gotta go grab one
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| 16:58 | <cliebow> so dpkg -l|grep ltsp-server gives?
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| 16:58 | 5.?
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| 16:58 | <lns> yep, it does now
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| 16:58 | <mage> yea it is
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| 16:58 | <lns> 5.0.7
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| 16:59 | <cliebow> let that rip..dhould be ok now..if you toss your old chroot
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| 16:59 | <lns> ok in the process now
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| 16:59 | thanks btw cliebow =)
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| 16:59 | strange stuff
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| 16:59 | <cliebow> 8~)
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| 16:59 | the real brains ogf the outfit are in Sevila..so im doing best i can
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| 17:00 | <lns> well i definitely appreciate it
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| 17:00 | <cliebow> 8~)
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| 17:00 | <lns> irc support is kinda like bittorrent for me...if i'm at home anyway, i usually hang out after i get some questions answered and try to help other ppl out
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| 17:00 | <cliebow> been doing that like 7 years..repaying the debt..
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| 17:01 | <lns> the server i'm using is so hot... dual quad xeon 3GHz... 8 total CPUs, 8GB Ram, 120GB SAS hdds
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| 17:01 | i want it to have my children
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| 17:01 | <cliebow> heh he
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| 17:01 | <lns> don't tell my wife though =p
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| 17:01 | <cliebow> she ought to fly..
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| 17:01 | <lns> she'd be pissed
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| 17:02 | it does!!
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| 17:02 | <cliebow> the server i mean
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| 17:02 | <lns> hahaha
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| 17:02 | yes
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| 17:02 | i feel privledged to even put ubuntu on it
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| 17:02 | and if this project goes well, there are 7 other servers just liek this one for other schools to replace aging M$ environments
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| 17:02 | <cliebow> what do you have for childre...i mean clients
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| 17:03 | <mage> heh
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| 17:03 | <lns> We got a bunch of NeoWare e100 thin clients, and then the rest are older Compaq iPaqs
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| 17:03 | <cliebow> lns: i support 12 schools..only four for ltsp
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| 17:03 | <PY1NB> mage: how do you suggest tweaking that? ?
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| 17:03 | <lns> we had a major problem with the newer iPaqs (there were 2 different models in the classrooms) that had PXE issues and no support
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| 17:03 | cliebow, nice!!
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| 17:03 | that's still 4 better than 0
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| 17:04 | <cliebow> yep..you using nx?
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| 17:04 | <lns> i'm just supporting one after-school place now, but this one is going to launch a bunch more
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| 17:04 | <mage> hmm
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| 17:04 | <cliebow> nx absolutely rocks for remote admiin
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| 17:04 | <lns> i've dabbled in it, i'm amazed with ti but haven't implemented it outside my testlab
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| 17:05 | <mage> PY1NB: well its a CRT right? figure out its range for vertical/horizontal refresh rates
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| 17:05 | <lns> i've read that x11 over ssh is very comparable to nx..? i wasn't sure if i should trust that
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| 17:05 | <mage> or start out with, "what modes work in windows?"
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| 17:05 | <lns> it was on a credible site though iirc
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| 17:05 | <cliebow> it is SO easy to install in ubuntu..
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| 17:05 | <lns> cliebow, that is VERY good to hear
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| 17:05 | that would be so awesome for the kids workign from home
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| 17:05 | they could access everything
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| 17:06 | <cliebow> yes..we got roped into citrix before nx came along
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| 17:06 | <lns> that would be like, the holy grail of LTSP/linux remote workstations
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| 17:06 | yikes
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| 17:06 | is freenx good?
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| 17:06 | or should ya stick with commercial nx
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| 17:06 | <mage> PY1NB: you'll probably want to look at the log file, I know Xorg has a ton of builtin modelines that are pondered against the supported refresh rates
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| 17:06 | <cliebow> lns:they can also import any damn thing in tru your firewall
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| 17:06 | i use o nly freenx
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| 17:06 | i have no budget
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| 17:06 | <mage> also what video adaptor?
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| 17:07 | <lns> cliebow, that is too cool
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| 17:07 | not about the budget...but these things make that matter less
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| 17:08 | i'm installing this LTSP to the elementary school I used to attend..its weird!
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| 17:08 | <cliebow> we are orphaned..my clients have no memory..anf most wont load a 2.6 kernel
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| 17:08 | <lns> when I went here, we had Apple IIe systems...ahh, Lemonade Stand and Oregon Trail...haha
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| 17:08 | <cliebow> yeah..
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| 17:08 | <lns> oh wow
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| 17:08 | <cliebow> i predate most of that..
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| 17:09 | <mage> hmm does 2.6 run on a 486? my 486 laptop is still running 2.4
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| 17:09 | <lns> you had the abacus? ;)
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| 17:09 | <cliebow> our computer lab was punch card machine
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| 17:09 | <lns> haha... that rocks
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| 17:09 | i bet those things taught you real well to mind your syntax
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| 17:10 | <mage> hehe us young people have it too easy
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| 17:10 | <lns> oh no
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| 17:10 | <cliebow> i had a lot of scratch pad
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| 17:10 | <lns> ;)
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| 17:10 | <mage> type something in lazily, hit compile, look at error, fix typos, repeat
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| 17:10 | <lns> mage, yep!
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| 17:11 | <mage> im curious what video card PY1NB has from trident that can do 1024x768 because none of mine can
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| 17:11 | <lns> i remember when i was 5, typing programs in for my c64 line by line...and didn't know how to re-edit a line, so if i had a syntax error i had to input it all again
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| 17:12 | <mage> oucg
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| 17:12 | ;)
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| 17:12 | <lns> trident cards are awesome...they are (were?) such good generic video cards
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| 17:12 | <PY1NB> mage: maybe I am trying the wrong one
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| 17:13 | <cliebow> amazing where it has gone...biill gates was a hairy hipy like me..dont know where i went wrgong
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| 17:13 | or did i
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| 17:13 | <lns> cliebow, you had a conscience? ;)
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| 17:13 | <PY1NB> mage: 9660 or similar
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| 17:13 | <mage> how much video ram?
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| 17:14 | <PY1NB> lemme see
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| 17:14 | actually 9680 1Mb
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| 17:14 | <mage> ah
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| 17:15 | I guess you could run it at 8bit color
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| 17:15 | <PY1NB> how do I set it?
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| 17:16 | X_COLOR_DEPTH
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| 17:17 | <mage> probably
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| 17:18 | <PY1NB> mage: that worked, but when I opened firefox, colors became bizarre
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| 17:18 | <mage> yea
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| 17:18 | <PY1NB> why?
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| 17:19 | <mage> blah blah blah palettes
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| 17:20 | <PY1NB> how to solve?
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| 17:20 | unsolvable?
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| 17:20 | <mage> the X window system isn't exactly known for dealing with color depth issues
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| 17:20 | try and get more video ram
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| 17:20 | <PY1NB> new card?
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| 17:20 | <lns> PY1NB, if you're in 8-bit color, everything is gonna look like crap...like safe mode in windows
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| 17:21 | <mage> http://www.geekwerk.com/store/images/VC008.jpg
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| 17:21 | yea I'd go with new card
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| 17:22 | <lns> hehehe, i remember those!!
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| 17:22 | <mage> I think the expansion ram would be difficult to find even in western world
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| 17:22 | <lns> i remember being all excited when i got some more ram for mine
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| 17:22 | oh yeah
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| 17:22 | try ebay, but you'd be much better off getting a new card
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| 17:22 | <mage> PY1NB: it'll do 800x600
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| 17:23 | calc 800*600*2/1024 = 937.5
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| 17:23 | <lns> i dealt with those exact cards all the time where i used to work
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| 17:23 | <mage> I dont have any tridents but I have mach64 and s3 that has those slots
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| 17:24 | nope, I only have a mach 64 now
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| 17:25 | <PY1NB> I had another card laying around, just changed, works fine now :)
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| 17:26 | <mage> thats good
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| 17:27 | <PY1NB> tnx for helping, I should go home now ;)
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| 17:27 | <mage> I'd label the 9680 "2007-05: works, max 800x600, only 1mb ram"
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| 17:27 | <PY1NB> cool
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| 17:29 | gotta go! thanks!
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| 17:35 | <lns> cliebow, thank you so much - upgrading ltsp-server after the feisty upgrade worked like a charm!
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| 17:35 | now my neoware thin clients' video chipsets are detected stably... this is a very, very good thing
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| 17:36 | i wonder if anyone else has run into the upgrading ltsp-server-after-feisty-upgrade problem?
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| 17:37 | anyway i gotta log out now...thanks all!! ttys
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| 18:01 | <cliebow> lns:heh..ii was first to bring it up..
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| 18:21 | <muh2000> cant mount NFS anymore... :( mountd[5851]: connect from 192.168.x.x to proc (1) in mountd: request from unauthorized host; that msg comes up in the log....
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| 18:22 | (kernel panic while booting)
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| 18:29 | <mage> hmm
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| 18:29 | x.x?
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| 18:30 | 192.168.0.10 is the ip for this computer ;)
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| 18:30 | but did you check the exports
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| 18:30 | <muh2000> mage it worked a few days ago.
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| 18:31 | havent changed anything at the exports
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| 18:32 | <mage> odd
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| 18:33 | <muh2000> the kernel panic also says:
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| 18:33 | mount: mounting ip:/bla on /newroot/nfsroot invalid argument
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| 18:35 | hmmmmmm mage it seems to be something with rpc.
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| 18:36 | tried to mount it on my workstation...
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| 18:37 | mount: RPC: authentication error; why = Failed (unspecified error)
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| 18:38 | but rpc. i dont know what it could be. never touched anything with rpc. or not that i know of it ^^
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| 19:09 | <mage> yea nfs is still voodoo for me
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| 19:12 | maybe you need to run rpc
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| 19:12 | for me starting portmap made it go
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| 20:08 | <nettrust> testing
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| 21:26 | <corn13read> can i install a program in wine and copy it to the skel directory and have all my clients run it?
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| 21:30 | <corn13read> anyone?
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| 21:55 | <corn13read> anyone even here?
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| 22:00 | <petre> corn13read: I'm here, although I've got to leave shortly
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| 22:00 | <corn13read> can i install a program in wine and copy it to the skel directory and have all my clients run it?
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| 22:01 | <petre> I have no idea if putting wine into /etc/skel would work; my guess is that it would not, but try it and see, perhaps I'm wrong
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| 22:01 | gotta go
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| 22:01 | <corn13read> ok anyone else?
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| 22:02 | I want to figure out an easy way to install wine programs to all users...
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