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07:51 | <valeriobozzolan> Hi! :D
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07:51 | I have a little problem with KAlgebra, on thin clients: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336257
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07:52 | <valeriobozzolan> They say that isn't a KAlgebra related problem.
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08:00 | Ideas?
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08:02 | <work_alkisg> Use fat clients
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08:02 | Opengl over the network has issues
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08:02 | !fatclients
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08:02 | <ltsp> fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
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08:02 | <work_alkisg> !ltsp-pnp
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08:02 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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09:13 | <valeriobozzolan> I repeat :)
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09:13 | If somebody know how can be fixed this error that occurs only on thin clients, respond on the bug please :)
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09:13 | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336257
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09:13 | Have a nice day!
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09:14 | (Virtualized thin clients and phisical thin clients)
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10:09 | <work_alkisg> valeriobozzolan: I repeat: read what I wrote above! ^^^
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10:33 | <valeriobozzolan> work_alkisg: Sorry can you rewrite?
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10:37 | (Pidgin history problem :|)
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10:41 | All right I've read!
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10:42 | Thank you very much :)
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11:08 | <SpComb> work_alkisg: does that also apply to attempts to run the default ubuntu desktop session (compiz/unity) on Ubuntu 14.04 LTSP?
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11:08 | compiz (unityshell) - Error: GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object not supported
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11:08 | gnome-session[11731]: WARNING: App 'compiz.desktop' exited with code 1
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11:13 | <work_alkisg> SpComb: yeah, 3d over the network is problematic
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11:14 | That's why e.g. edubuntu uses gnome-fallback by default
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11:15 | <SpComb> unity seemed to work in Ubuntu 12.04, did something in particular change?
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11:16 | <work_alkisg> Unity-3d never worked for me on thin clients
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11:16 | Unity-2d did work
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11:16 | And of course unity-3d does work on fats
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11:16 | But, I'm not using unity, so I don't know the details there...
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11:16 | <SpComb> I guess Ubuntu 12.04 shipped some kind of automagic unity-2d fallback in that case?
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11:18 | <work_alkisg> No idea, if it works for you, run `ps` and tell us what you see
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11:19 | <SpComb> but ack, set gnome-fallback as default session in 14.04
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11:19 | *will set
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18:23 | <alkisg> stgraber, vagrantc: About https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/1330252 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/987726, I think Ubuntu needs to remove the 40-ltsp-client/40-ltsp-server patch, and X50-dmrc-processing needs to export the LDM_SESSION in CLIENT_ENV as DESKTOP_SESSION
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18:23 | Because now we export silly things as DESKTOP_SESSION, and that breaks a lot of stuff
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18:24 | <jammcq> hey alkisg
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18:24 | <alkisg> Hi jammcq :)
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18:24 | <jammcq> have you guys seen this: http://www.sustainia.me/
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18:24 | if you look at the PDF and go to page 97
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18:24 | you'll see LTSP :)
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18:25 | actually page 50 in the PDF, it's 2 pages per PDF page
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18:29 | <vagrantc> nice
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18:30 | alkisg: we don't have those files on Debian, or use DESKTOP_SESSION in debian, as far as i know...
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18:31 | <alkisg> vagrantc: so if I boot debian/lxde and run env|grep DESKTOP_SESSION, I see nothing?
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18:31 | <ogra_> heh ... developer in the USA ...
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18:31 | <vagrantc> alkisg: is LDM_SESSION exclusively a .desktop file now?
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18:31 | <alkisg> No, it can be an Exec line for backwards compatibility
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18:31 | <vagrantc> alkisg: yes, DESKTOP_SESSION isn't used in Debian, at least not last i looked
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18:32 | <jammcq> ogra_: well... that was true at one point in time. I dunno where they got the information from
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18:32 | <ogra_> jammcq, yeah, today its more a swiss canadian, greek, american co-production i guess
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18:32 | * vagrantc is cascadian | |
18:32 | <ogra_> (hi btw)
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18:32 | haha
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18:33 | yeah
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18:33 | <jammcq> no doubt, it's a global effort
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18:34 | <alkisg> stgraber: then you might want to create an X50-dmrc-ubuntu patch that sets DESKTOP_SESSION from LDM_SESSION, and drop the debian/40-ltsp patch, as it doesn't work correctly...
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18:34 | <vagrantc> is dmrc even used consistantly?
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18:36 | <alkisg> vagrantc: that file checks default/failsafe/LDM_SESSION etc, I think that's where ubuntu should check for and set DESKTOP_SESSION
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18:36 | (or, shortly after that)
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18:37 | I.e. it shouldn't try to find the session from Xsession.d/40-ltsp-client, but from LDM, where we know LDM_SELECTED_SESSION etc
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18:37 | It's not related to .dmrc only...
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18:37 | <vagrantc> so, my only concern would be making sure it doesn't break when LDM_SESSION is not a .desktop file
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18:38 | <alkisg> dmrc_session=$(do_ssh "grep -lR '^Exec=$LDM_SESSION$' /usr/share/xsessions/ | sed -n '/\/usr\/share\/xsessions\/\(.*\)\.desktop/{s//\1/p;q}'")
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18:38 | We have code there that converts a line to a desktop file
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18:38 | We should only set DESKTOP_SESSION if we do have a desktop file...
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18:38 | and possibly only in Ubuntu
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18:40 | <vagrantc> it doesn't hurt to set DESKTOP_SESSION
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18:40 | although maybe other distros use the variable?
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18:40 | and hopefully not differently...
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19:15 | <bennabiy> hmm. I am encountering a funny instance of my taskbar not appearing when I log in from mint17 thinclient
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19:15 | I wonder if it is because my user is logged in at the server...
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19:22 | <vagrantc> users logged in multiple places is not well supported...
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19:23 | or rather, really leads to disaster
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19:24 | <bennabiy> it is not that...
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19:24 | just tried with not being logged in
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19:24 | <vagrantc> well, having made the mistake once, i wouldn't be surprised if it left problems all over the place.
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19:25 | <alkisg> The taskbar problem is very common in Ubuntu 12.04, 14.04 etc with gnome-fallback
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19:25 | I haven't ever seen it in 10.04 though (although then we used NFS for /home)
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19:28 | <bennabiy> alkisg: what is the solution?
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19:29 | vagrantc: will reboot, and check again. I normally enable the boot the user if already logged in option
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19:35 | <alkisg> bennabiy: I haven't found one, so we have a wrapper that re-launches it if it's not loaded correctly
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19:36 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/1078679
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19:37 | <bennabiy> alkisg: seems it was related to the video=LVDS-1:d fix... I fixed that to get rid of the ghost LVDS display which does not exist, and it fixed it.
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19:38 | <alkisg> Ah, cool, so mint doesn't have the gnome-fallback bug, nice
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19:39 | <bennabiy> I will let you know as I keep testing it. I am finally at a place to do a little work on it, and it seems the code needs some help with pulling a mint chroot again
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19:39 | something changed in the packaging of 17 / 14.04 and it seems what used to be pulled by a meta-package is now needing to be pulled manually
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19:41 | so far I have made a 14.04 chroot for booting up the thin clients. it seems to be working.
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19:42 | What would be the best way to add apt pinning within a chroot through the build process?
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19:42 | effectively, I need to pin mint repo at 700
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19:43 | <vagrantc> just write up a hook.
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19:45 | there's 010-apt-pinning in the Debian plugins
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20:20 | <bennabiy> ahh, good starting point. Thank you :)
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