IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 27 April 2007 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:03 | <bhaskar> i have install edubuntu 7.04 festy , LTSP 5 is built in , very nice, i want to know how to setup printer?? on client and server
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| 01:01 | <Nikopoika> can someone help me a bit?
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| 01:02 | <Nikopoika> i'm having problems with locales on my client computers, even if server has keyboard layout FI, still the clients uses US option
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| 01:04 | <vagrantc> Nikopoika: which linux distro?
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| 01:04 | <Nikopoika> mandriva
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| 01:04 | spring edition... latest i guess...
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| 02:14 | <laurentddd> hello
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| 02:23 | <laurentddd> during starting of the diskless I have this error message : /etc/rcS.d/S32ltsp-client-setup /usr/sbin/cdpinger. and the same for delayed_mounter. Somebody knows to what that corresponds?
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| 02:23 | no such file or directory
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| 02:23 | <vagrantc> laurentddd: what distro?
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| 02:23 | <laurentddd> debian
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| 02:24 | lenny and the debian packet in the croot is etch
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| 02:24 | <vagrantc> you need to install ltspfsd into the chroot
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| 02:24 | <laurentddd> sorry my english is bad
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| 02:24 | <vagrantc> it's not so bad so far :)
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| 02:24 | <laurentddd> ltspfsd is in the chroot !
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| 02:24 | <vagrantc> hmmm..
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| 02:25 | ah
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| 02:25 | dpkg -l --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 ltspfsd
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| 02:26 | <laurentddd> sorry
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| 02:26 | Aucun paquet ne correspond à ltspfsd.
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| 02:27 | chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ apt-get install ltfspd
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| 02:27 | thats good ?
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| 02:27 | <vagrantc> if you spell ltspfsd right
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| 02:27 | :)
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| 02:27 | and install "ltspfs" on the server
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| 02:27 | not in the chroot
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| 02:28 | <laurentddd> but your commande dpkg -l --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 ltspfsd, search ltspfsd in the chroot !
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| 02:29 | in dont understand
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| 02:29 | <vagrantc> two packages "ltspfs" and "ltspfsd"
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| 02:29 | ltspfs gets installed on the server
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| 02:29 | ltspfsd gets installed in the chroot
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| 02:30 | <laurentddd> ok
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| 02:32 | chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ apt-get install ltspfsd dpkg said : Impossible to find the package ltspfsd
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| 02:32 | * vagrantc stays up late to make calls to distant timezones | |
| 02:32 | <vagrantc> laurentddd: it's not in etch
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| 02:33 | <laurentddd> ltspfs_0.4.3+debian2_i386.deb ??
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| 02:34 | <vagrantc> for the server
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| 02:34 | in the chroot, you need ltspfsd
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| 02:34 | <laurentddd> sorry
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| 02:35 | <vagrantc> it's ok.
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| 02:35 | we should make an upload to backports.org soon
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| 02:41 | <laurentddd> vagrantc : I start again and I say to you if that at market
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| 02:46 | <laurentddd> that good
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| 02:46 | thanks
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| 02:46 | <vagrantc> sure
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| 02:46 | sorry we didn't get ltspfs into etch
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| 02:46 | that would make it easier
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| 02:48 | <laurentddd> it is not serious, essence is to find a solution
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| 02:48 | ;-)
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| 02:49 | it is not serious, the important one is to find a solution
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| 02:49 | better english ????
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| 02:49 | <vagrantc> s,one,thing, :)
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| 02:55 | <laurentddd> Exist there a documentation to explain how to mount a key usb on the diskless ?
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| 02:56 | <vagrantc> laurentddd: well, there might be something referenced from http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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| 02:58 | <laurentddd> ok
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| 03:17 | <gvy> *yaaawn*
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| 03:17 | g'day! :) (or whatever is out-of-the-box your site)
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| 03:22 | <laurentddd> re
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| 03:22 | <gvy> re
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| 03:32 | <gvy> er
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| 03:40 | <laurentddd> syslog recognize the key usb well : SCSI device sdb: 1024000 512-byte hdwr sectors (524 MB) ! but I do not manage to mount it
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| 03:41 | grrrr
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| 03:45 | I must add me with the group "fuses" ??
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| 03:46 | <vagrantc> the user must be in the group fuse, yes.
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| 03:46 | <laurentddd> great
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| 03:49 | <laurentddd> Thank you with all for your assistance. LTSP is a beautiful work
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| 03:49 | <vagrantc> we try :)
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| 03:49 | laurentddd: where are you from?
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| 03:50 | <laurentddd> If that I interest you wrote a procedure for LTSP5 and debian ETCH in French.
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| 03:50 | I'm from bordeaux
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| 03:50 | in france
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| 03:53 | <vagrantc> laurentddd: documentation is always useful :)
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| 03:55 | <laurentddd> In which format want it
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| 03:56 | sgml latex html ?
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| 03:57 | There remains to me a problem to be regulated. Flash 9. When I read a file flash9, the sound is read on the waiter.
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| 03:58 | server not waiter . sorry
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| 04:00 | <gvy> laurentddd, you might need to wrap the browser into something like esddsp
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| 04:01 | <laurentddd> # which /dev/dsp wrapper to use
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| 04:01 | ICEWEASEL_DSP="esddsp"
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| 04:01 | <gvy> hm.
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| 04:01 | <laurentddd> in /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc
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| 04:01 | <gvy> sorry, no further ideas yet
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| 04:06 | <gvy> ogra, ! :)
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| 04:20 | <Nikopoika> cooool, my locales works correctly, just needed to add "XkbLayout = fi" to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf (without quotes)
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| 04:21 | just thought to mention if someone else has samekind of problem...
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| 04:24 | <ogra> Nikopoika, which distro ?
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| 04:26 | <gvy> vanya, forgot to ask last time -- which city are you from? (/me Kiev)
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| 04:29 | <Nikopoika> ogra: mandriva
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| 04:29 | 2k7 spring
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| 04:30 | <ogra> ah, ok
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| 04:30 | <ogra> i was fearing ubuntu feisty ... it supposed to be set up automatically there :)
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| 04:33 | <gvy> autofawnically?
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| 04:40 | <ogra> heh
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| 05:19 | <cyberorg> hi ogra
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| 07:11 | <mhterres> morning/afternoon :-)
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| 07:26 | <marek82> hi
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| 07:27 | question is it possible for ltsp for saving a session
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| 07:27 | or keeping session
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| 07:28 | like this, if i have terminal connected to server and when the terminal suffers power failure, that if i start up the terminal, the server gives me the old session..?
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| 07:28 | back.
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| 07:31 | <vanya> it's interesting for me too
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| 07:31 | I think freenx should allow this, but I haven't tried yet..
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| 07:32 | <marek82> freenx?
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| 07:32 | :P
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| 07:33 | ok oky:D google gives all the answers :D
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| 07:35 | <vanya> yes, google is such :)
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| 07:38 | <marek82> its all kind of diffrent program
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| 07:38 | i made terminals with using ltsp
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| 07:38 | using rpm there.. and modyfing a bit it
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| 07:38 | for centos5
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| 07:38 | hm
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| 07:51 | <gvy> [2] vanya, forgot to ask last time -- which city are you from? (/me Kiev)
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| 07:52 | <cyberorg> marek82: ltsp5?
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| 07:52 | <marek82> no
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| 07:52 | <marek82> mayby 4.1 or 4.2
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| 07:53 | <vanya> gvy, Lviv :)
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| 07:53 | <marek82> 4.2
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| 07:54 | <vanya> gvy, time to create #ltsp-ua ? :)
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| 07:54 | <gvy> vanya, wow :) we're bringing up uafoss (an association for FLOSS developers and users), there's western branch in Lviv
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| 07:54 | <cyberorg> what you want is not possible, freenx can save session, but powerfailure before saving session will not give you old session back
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| 07:54 | <gvy> vanya, well you can mail Vadim Mashkov (adiel nospam kiev.ua, mashckoff gmail com) and meet him there
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| 07:54 | vanya, in the mean time we're busy integrating ltsp5 in altlinux :)
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| 07:55 | <marek82> whats the diffenrece between ltsp5 and ltsp4.2?
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| 07:56 | <gvy> good, bad and [3.x] ugly
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| 07:56 | tho every one of them worked
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| 07:59 | <ogra> cyberorg, indeed its possible, you just need to teach initramfs how to resume from a swapfile on the server and invent a unique process so the session is bound to a user
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| 08:00 | its a matter of design and some scripting :)
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| 08:00 | ... or some more scripting :)
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| 08:01 | <cyberorg> ogra: or we could just invent RAM which keeps it's state on powerfailure :)
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| 08:01 | <ogra> marek82, ltsp5 is sopposed to be implemented using your distros packages instead of a monolithic tarball like 4.x and former did
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| 08:02 | <marek82> hmm
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| 08:02 | i should try yum install ltsp5?:P
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| 08:02 | <ogra> so you can integrate with the distros upgrade tools and just get security updates or easily upgrade to the next version ... can copy configs around between client and server etc
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| 08:02 | <marek82> hmm
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| 08:02 | <cyberorg> ogra: i got tmpfs working using bind_mount function, some rough edges still remaining as i get few permission denied errors, will fix those soon
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| 08:03 | <ogra> cyberorg, ah, great so you got a step further :)
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| 08:03 | <marek82> but session save is not really implemented?
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| 08:03 | <ogra> looks like suse wil become the first distro after ubuntu and debian who has ltsp5 ;)
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| 08:03 | good work :)
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| 08:04 | <cyberorg> ogra: long way away, also ldm works, put suse png instead of ubuntu's in theme too ;)
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| 08:04 | <ogra> marek82, no, X is lacking support for something like that ... all you could do is to abuse the hibernate functions in initramfs to use a swapfile on the server, but tats not exactly the same
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| 08:04 | <marek82> ya
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| 08:04 | hmm
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| 08:04 | <cyberorg> alt linux has already got it i think
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| 08:04 | <ogra> cyberorg, yeah ldm themeing is easy, isnt it ? ;)
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| 08:05 | <cyberorg> i suck at art too
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| 08:05 | <ogra> cyberorg, i havent gotten *any* code form altlinux yet
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| 08:05 | <cyberorg> i fetched their src rpms to see what they are up to
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| 08:06 | <ogra> i know there is wor being done ... but as long as they dont contact upstream its only a fork ...
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| 08:06 | there is also work been done in fedora that dies at some point ...
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| 08:07 | curious if they will pick up again soon :)
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| 08:07 | <cyberorg> i had a question for you, where does ldm get its SERVER variable from? i have to launch SERVER=serverip ldm vt1 :1
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| 08:07 | <IRCzito_home> ogra: good morning
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| 08:07 | <ogra> hey hey
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| 08:07 | <cyberorg> k12ltsp is fedora based project so they should be doing quite well with ltsp5
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| 08:07 | <IRCzito_home> I have a question and Jim say to me ask to you
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| 08:07 | <ogra> cyberorg, from the initscripts
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| 08:08 | <cyberorg> from which one and how?
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| 08:08 | <ogra> cyberorg, you will also need the screen.d scripts
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| 08:08 | grep SERVER debian/*
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| 08:08 | ;)
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| 08:08 | IRCzito_home, shoot then
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| 08:08 | <cyberorg> i thought it got from lts.conf
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| 08:08 | <ogra> (i have to go again soon )
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| 08:09 | no it comes from the initscripts ...
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| 08:09 | <IRCzito_home> ogra: im work in slackware root-tree, (is not easy for me :D) , and my ltsp-client-setup script return: the filesystem is read only
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| 08:09 | <ogra> only if you set it in lts.conf it will use that one
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| 08:09 | <cyberorg> so it detects the server and exports the variable?
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| 08:09 | it didnt take from lts.conf that is why i asked
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| 08:09 | <IRCzito_home> ogra: what's probably wrong?
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| 08:09 | <ogra> IRCzito_home, indeed it is :) make sure to use the bind_mounts function from the source
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| 08:10 | bind_mounts mounts files and dirs it needs in RW mode to a tmpfs
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| 08:10 | so make sure that function works properly
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| 08:12 | <cyberorg> IRCzito_home: you can probably use mine http://pastebin.ca/460983
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| 08:13 | insserv suse-bind-mounts
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| 08:14 | <ogra> uuh
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| 08:14 | you shouldnt comment the bind_unmounts part :)
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| 08:14 | <IRCzito_home> ogra: what is /var/cache/debconf on debian for?
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| 08:14 | <ogra> it will eat all your ram :)
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| 08:14 | IRCzito_home, it holds all ifo for all packages
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| 08:14 | s/packages/package defaults/
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| 08:15 | <ogra> in ubuntu/debian its needed to preconfigure the package defaults automatically on boot ... you will need to find something similar in your distro or write somthing yourself
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| 08:15 | usually you can do that easily by scripts as well ...
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| 08:16 | in debian based systems that just breaks upgradeabilty, so we use debconf there
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| 08:19 | <cyberorg> ogra: you mean me? bind_unmount is uncommented
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| 08:19 | <ogra> no, the call to it isnt
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| 08:20 | see the if clauses you commented at the bottom :)
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| 08:20 | line 158ff
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| 08:22 | <cyberorg> oh yes
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| 08:25 | ogra: is glade required by new greeter?
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| 08:26 | <IRCzito_home> ogra: the variable $rw_dirs not have /etc dir. (bind_mounts). How function configure_resolver() write on /etc/hostname?
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| 08:27 | <ogra> cyberorg, nope
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| 08:28 | <cyberorg> cool, that's good news
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| 08:28 | <ogra> IRCzito_home, "bindfiles" should have /etc/hostname
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| 08:29 | if you would copy all of /etc into a tmpfs it would eat a lot of memory ... so we have the bindfiles variable that enables single files to be copied into tmpfs
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| 08:29 | your /etc/fstab should also be in that ist
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| 08:29 | *list
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| 08:31 | <IRCzito_home> ow: thank
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| 08:39 | <skrusty> hi, can anyone tell me if ltsp can be used as part of a cluster/farm?
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| 08:39 | <skrusty> i.e. can sessions be managed over multiple servers?
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| 08:39 | s/managed/shared
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| 08:52 | <IRCzito_home> ogra: whera I can get de source of ltspfsd, I try use de binary of the ubuntu root-tree, but this return: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found
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| 08:54 | the source of ltspfsd
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| 08:58 | <cliebow_> ogra: init in root of initramfs is undder control after kernel loads and initramfs is unpacked?
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| 08:59 | <bluedragon> have you tryed the instructions at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspFS
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| 09:00 | for compiling it from cvs
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| 09:05 | <ogra> cliebow, yup
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| 09:06 | IRCzito_home, i fear yur best bet is the ubuntu or debian source package (they are identical) the CVS doesnt have any of the scripts afaik
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| 09:27 | <jammcq> hey kids
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| 09:34 | <mhterres> hello
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| 09:34 | <cyberorg> hi jammcq
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| 09:41 | <pscheie> morning all
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| 09:45 | <Guaraldo> hi...
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| 09:46 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> hey
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| 09:47 | <IRCzito_home> :-D
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| 09:51 | <cyberorg> ogra: on fresh install, i get http://pastebin.ca/461108 these errors launching ldm what am i missing?
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| 09:51 | X keeps crashing repeatedly
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| 10:33 | <gonzaloaf_work> Hi, how can I change the language of the X environment for all my users?
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| 11:05 | <michel_> salut brazza
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| 11:08 | <brazza> salut
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| 11:09 | <client3> bonjour
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| 11:09 | <client1> salut tout le monde
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| 11:10 | <gvy> congrabotations on having successfully setup three terminal clients
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| 11:10 | <michel_> aide: nous sommes a brazzaville, nous avons installe un reseau ltsp ici,
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| 11:12 | nous aimerions installe lstp version 1.5, qui a de l'experience?
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| 11:16 | <michel_> pardon lstp-5
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| 11:20 | <gvy> i could probably answer if i understood francais...
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| 11:20 | ltsp5 runs on a system to the left of me, ltsp4.2 runs on the rest of terminals in the room
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| 11:21 | <kaminski-ltsp-br> michel_: abajour escargot
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| 11:29 | <brazza> we try to install ltsp but we need your help, we are a group
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| 11:47 | <ogra> cyberorg, looks like it cant find one of the icons or theme pngs
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| 12:00 | <cyberorg> ogra: is that it?
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| 12:09 | <sutula> ogra: RE sound with the Debian/Ubuntu packaging, is there any sort of writeup about what works, what to expect, etc?
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| 12:09 | ogra: I know I could keep asking here, but would like to be more self-sufficient :)
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| 12:09 | <ogra> in feisty everything works ...
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| 12:10 | <sutula> ogra: There's a bunch of sound stuff on the wiki, but it's hard to know how much of that has been included in current packaging
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| 12:10 | <ogra> in releases before and in debian all apps that are able to use esd will work
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| 12:10 | <sutula> ogra: when you say "everything", which server? esd? alsa?
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| 12:10 | <ogra> feisty added an alsa emulation layer in the users session, so apps use that
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| 12:11 | <cyberorg> tried linking another theme, same result
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| 12:11 | <ogra> which means that really all apps apart from some very old ones that force oss usage will work out of the box and volume control will work
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| 12:11 | <sutula> ogra: When I tried esd (on Debian), esd doesn't seem to run
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| 12:12 | <ogra> sutula, set SOUND=True in lts.conf ...
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| 12:12 | <sutula> I have that
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| 12:12 | <ogra> that will run esd if the client boots
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| 12:12 | <sutula> ...on the server or client?
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| 12:12 | <ogra> (on the client indeed)
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| 12:12 | you dont need any soundserver on the server
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| 12:13 | * sutula demonstrates his ignorance :) But the apps run on the server? How do they open sound? | |
| 12:13 | <ogra> during login ldm will then set the ESPEAKER variable and esd capable apps will play their output to the server ip/port from that variable
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| 12:13 | <sutula> ahhh
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| 12:14 | * sutula is guessing that if ESPEAKER is not set, then something didn't start right on the client? | |
| 12:14 | <ogra> chec by runing "env" in a terminal in a running X ltsp session
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| 12:14 | *check
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| 12:14 | ESPEAKER should show up else someting in your ldm is vroken
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| 12:14 | *broken
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| 12:15 | <Q-FUNK> typos r us ;)
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| 12:15 | <ogra> yeah
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| 12:15 | <sutula> ogra: k
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| 12:15 | <ogra> since i work on irc my typing really sucks .. i wonder why ... when i used to tape less per day i was brilliant
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| 12:15 | <sutula> ...such as client can't open soundcard or something like that?
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| 12:15 | <ogra> *type :)
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| 12:16 | <vagrantc> ogra: ok, so i think i made arrangements
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| 12:16 | ogra: looks like i'll see you in sevilla :)
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| 12:16 | <ogra> sutula, well, the ubuntu udev ususally detects all PCI soundcards and configures them right, no idea about the status of the debian kernel ... but i cant imagine that its much worse there :)
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| 12:17 | vagrantc, YAY \o/
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| 12:17 | * vagrantc wonders about after sevilla | |
| 12:17 | <sutula> ogra: Should I be seeing, e.g., /dev/dsp in the client's /dev files? /me was looking at dmesg output last night on several clients
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| 12:17 | <ogra> vagrantc, i rather hope to see you in november in boston then ... on a certain payroll ;)
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| 12:18 | sutula, cat /proc/asound/cards i think
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| 12:18 | <sutula> ogra: K
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| 12:18 | <ogra> that should give you anything
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| 12:18 | i'm no alsa expert ... luckily that always just works in ubuntu so i normally dont have to care for low level stuff
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| 12:19 | <sutula> ogra: If I get the chance, I'll try to write some of this up (assuming I get it working) for others
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| 12:20 | <ogra> sutula, thats great .... note that everythng changed in the recent version :)
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| 12:20 | <sutula> ogra: k, thanks
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| 12:21 | <ogra> pluseaduio with a virtual asla device in teh session is used in feisty, gutsy and i assume in sid soon as well
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| 12:21 | <vagrantc> ogra: no, we haven't merged yet
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| 12:21 | <ogra> i know
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| 12:21 | <vagrantc> ogra: sid is only a few bugfixes on what's in etch
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| 12:21 | <ogra> but i assume you will want the advantages of alsa :)
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| 12:21 | <vagrantc> yes, just don't have it yet
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| 12:21 | <Q-FUNK> typical slow post-release recovery at debian. *sigh*
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| 12:21 | <jammcq> what's the next debian codename ?
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| 12:22 | <ogra> yeah we need to merge soon
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| 12:22 | <vagrantc> jammcq: lenny
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| 12:22 | <ogra> i think UDS is the right place to do that :)
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| 12:22 | <vagrantc> Q-FUNK: well, i've mostly been waiting on ubuntu to sync their ubuntu branch with the "mainline" branch
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| 12:22 | * vagrantc sticks a tounge out at ogra | |
| 12:22 | <Q-FUNK> vagrancy in zulu minor.
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| 12:22 | <ogra> :P
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| 12:23 | Q-FUNK, he is right, its my fault ...
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| 12:23 | <jammcq> hmm, no scotty
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| 12:23 | <ogra> dont blame debian for missing manpower in ubuntu :)
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc> yeah, we should blame scotty some, too. :)
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| 12:23 | <Q-FUNK> ogra: you guys all have a million things to do. relax :)
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| 12:23 | <dberkholz> i'll accept some of the blame too
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| 12:23 | <Q-FUNK> blame canada!
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| 12:23 | <ogra> yeah, ... but scotty isnt around thats only half the fun then ...
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| 12:24 | <Q-FUNK> btw, are any of you guys in .EE or .FI ?
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| 12:24 | <ogra> .ee ?
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| 12:24 | i'm in .de
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| 12:24 | is .ee estland ?
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| 12:25 | <Q-FUNK> eesti
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| 12:25 | yup
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| 12:25 | <jammcq> estonia ?
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| 12:25 | <Q-FUNK> jah
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| 12:25 | <vagrantc> i've seen this channel get overrun with spanish and occasionally portuguese (sp?) but earlier today it was french!
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| 12:25 | <ogra> i know dholbach went there for vacancy recently ... he was very impressed iirc
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| 12:26 | <Q-FUNK> dholbach was in .lt, not .ee :)
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| 12:26 | <ogra> ah, right :)
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| 12:26 | <Q-FUNK> .lt is indeed mighty nice
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| 12:26 | <jammcq> .lt ? is that Lithuania ?
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| 12:26 | <ogra> yep
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| 12:26 | <Q-FUNK> I was gonna say that if one f you is in HEL and doing nothing toniight, I have a Linuterm we could try on Edubuntu...
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| 12:28 | <vagrantc> adios!
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| 12:28 | <Guaraldo> Q-FUNK: I'm in HELL... Can it be??? :-D Hehehehe Sory!
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| 12:29 | <Q-FUNK> www.hel.fi
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| 12:29 | see also: debconf5
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| 12:29 | <Guaraldo> Q-FUNK: I was kidding with you... :-D
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| 12:29 | <Q-FUNK> and you are right: this IS hell, sinking!
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| 12:30 | <gvy> seems so
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| 12:30 | <Guaraldo> Q-FUNK: I'd love to be in Helsinking... But I'm many, many miles away, in Brazil!
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| 12:31 | <Q-FUNK> in the words of a ceetain signer: "Je rêve à Rio"
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| 12:52 | <xlyz> aptitude install ltsp-client fails in ubuntu eft amd64. it complains it can't configure ltspfsd. no idea how to fix it. any suggestion?
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| 12:52 | <ogra> EEK
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| 12:53 | dont do that !
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| 12:53 | <xlyz> what?
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| 12:53 | <ogra> apt-cache show ltsp-client ;)
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| 12:53 | DO NOT install this package on a regular machine, it is intended only
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| 12:53 | for installation inside a LTSP client filesystem.
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| 12:54 | <xlyz> you mean in the chroot?
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| 12:54 | <ogra> the text is from the package description
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| 12:55 | <xlyz> yep
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| 12:55 | <ogra> never ever install ltsp-client with aptitude on the server
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| 12:55 | <xlyz> I did :)
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| 12:55 | well, I tried :)
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| 12:55 | <ogra> thats bad
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| 12:55 | it has a debconf warning as well
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| 12:56 | <xlyz> I was following some how to
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| 12:56 | <ogra> and actually it should stop the install after showing that
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| 12:56 | <sutula> Good thing is that dpkg is pretty good about removing stuff completely...use --purge
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| 12:56 | <xlyz> infact :)
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| 12:56 | <ogra> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall is the only howto you should follow for ubuntu ltsp
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| 12:58 | <xlyz> mmmh. it seems that I confused ltsp-build-client and ltsp-client
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| 12:58 | <ogra> make sure to get ltsp-client off your system completely ... same applies to ltspfsd, it shouldnt get installed on a normal system
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| 12:58 | <xlyz> purged ;)
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| 12:58 | <ogra> good
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| 12:58 | <xlyz> shall I install it in the ltsp client chroot?
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| 12:59 | <ogra> ltspfsd modifies fstab on the fly ... which is very evil if you dont have an autogenerated fastab that sits in ram (like thin clients do)
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| 12:59 | if you have a client chroot built with ltsp-build-client you dont need to change anything inside it
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| 13:00 | <xlyz> ok
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| 13:00 | one more question
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| 13:00 | <ogra> it sets up everything for you so your clients should be able to boot right away
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| 13:00 | <xlyz> they do
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| 13:00 | <ogra> good
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| 13:02 | <sutula> ogra: After initially running ltsp-build-client to create/configure the chroot, is there ever a reason to run it again?
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| 13:02 | <ogra> no
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| 13:02 | and in fact ewer versions will refuse to run unless you wipe the old chroot
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| 13:02 | *newer
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| 13:02 | <sutula> ogra: Great
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| 13:03 | <ogra> we had a bunch of probs with people trying to run it on an unclean target
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| 13:03 | <xlyz> one more question: how file/directory ownership is handled? especially for pluggable device? I found one of my collegues that can open my usb hd in one of the clients. how can I avoid this?
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| 13:03 | <ogra> thats impossible ...
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| 13:03 | did you use the same uid ?
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| 13:03 | <xlyz> no
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| 13:04 | <jammcq> xlyz: are you logged into the server console? or one of the thin clients?
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| 13:04 | <ogra> fuse doesnt even let root look into dirs that are user owned
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| 13:04 | <xlyz> but he was the first to fire up the client this morning
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| 13:04 | <ogra> that doesnt matter
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| 13:04 | the ltspfs fuse mounts are done on a per user basis
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| 13:04 | <xlyz> the hd was plugged in the server
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| 13:04 | <ogra> ah
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| 13:05 | yes
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| 13:05 | <jammcq> there ya go
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| 13:05 | <ogra> thats intentional
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| 13:05 | <ogra> you can disable volume mounting in gnome-volume-manager ... so the user wont see server side mounted devices
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| 13:06 | <ogra> ltspfs only operates on thin client HW ...
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| 13:06 | and currently works ndependently from gnome-volume-manager
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| 13:06 | (that will change soon)
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| 13:49 | <xlyz> ogra: is there any reason not to use --arch option of ltsp-build-client for cross arch instead of the steps described here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup ?
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| 14:07 | <Signum> Evening... I have a pretty old laptop with 128 MB RAM, CD-ROM, NIC and harddisk. Can I run it as an ltsp client although the network card is not pxe-capable? I'd like to boot from harddisk but didn't find instructions on that.
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| 14:10 | <ogra> xlyz, half of the installation happens chrooted inside the client chroot ... there is no way to execute ppc binaries on a X86/64 CPU
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| 14:12 | <xlyz> oh, that's why. --arch i386 on a amd64 works, btw
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| 14:14 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:14 | this way its no problem ...
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| 14:14 | but --arch amd64 on an i386 would already break
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| 14:14 | <xlyz> yep
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| 14:15 | <ogra> and ppc even has a different byteorder ...
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| 14:15 | <xlyz> but why setting up an i386 as server and a amd64 as client? ;)
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| 14:15 | <ogra> i actually supported one guy who made that
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| 14:16 | <ogra> he had a bunch of amd turion PCs around and only an i386 server
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| 14:16 | <xlyz> yep
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| 14:17 | <sutula> Signum: I've run something similar
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| 14:17 | * sutula is looking for what he used to boot | |
| 14:17 | <xlyz> to lock down mounting of server disks/devices I have to use gconftool?
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| 14:17 | <ogra> Signum, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPBootingClientsWithoutPxe
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| 14:18 | thats how you install a rom-o-matic etherboot image (with PXE emulation to make it even easier) to HD, CD or folppy
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| 14:19 | <sutula> Signum: I used Netboot, but ogra probably knows better
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| 14:19 | <ogra> well if you can get netboot to work there is no reason not to use it :)
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| 14:20 | as long as you get *anything* booting ;)
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| 14:20 | <sutula> ogra: The floppy and CD images worked on the machines I tried, but I haven't messed with the HD stuff
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| 14:22 | <ogra> well, actually you only need to dd the image to your first HD and set the BIOS to boot from it :)
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| 14:22 | <Signum> ogra: Thanks. Trying that. Nice seeing you again, btw. :) Last time we met at the Mataro conference.
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| 14:23 | <ogra> oh207, wow ! really ?
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| 14:23 | ah, right i remember :) you started the motu/mentoring stuff ...
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| 14:24 | <sutula> ogra: I need to figure out how to avoid losing the Win bootability from the HD, but I'd be a *lot* happier to just tell the users "oops...sorry...can't run Windoze any more"
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| 14:24 | <ogra> make a small partition (50M or so) ... isntall grub and dd your image to the new partition ... then thll grub to dual boot :)
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| 14:25 | i know thats rather an advanced task :)
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| 14:25 | Signum, we'Re in spain again with the next conference :)
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| 14:25 | <sutula> ogra: yeah...figured it would be like that...am avoiding it for now and using a floppy :)
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| 14:27 | <Signum> ogra: Yep. But I don't even attend the debconf. Family is keeping me busy. It was fun though.
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| 14:27 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:27 | it got me an invitation to the next conf in australia :)
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| 14:28 | and in the end a job :)
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| 14:29 | <Signum> Nice.
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| 14:30 | <ogra> yeah, i would never have expected that while being in mataro ... it was my scond OSS conf ever :)
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| 14:30 | *second
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| 14:30 | <jammcq> ogra: let's just hope the food is better in seville :)
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| 14:31 | <Signum> It was my only debian/ubuntu-based conference so far. I wished I could stay in Edinburgh this year. But leaving my wife with a baby home for a week isn't that fair.
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| 14:31 | <ogra> jammcq, well, have you seen the pics of the hotel ?
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| 14:31 | <jammcq> ogra: yeah, reminds me of the hotel in paris
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| 14:31 | 9-euro beers.... here we come
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| 14:31 | <ogra> i foud it looked a bit better fgrom the inside
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| 14:31 | <Signum> I wonder whether I rather just use an X11 server and xdmcp to another machine instead of running ltsp. Hmmm.
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| 14:32 | <jammcq> ogra: I have a hunch it's gonna be very nice there
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| 14:32 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:32 | even though i fear its warm as hell
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| 14:32 | <jammcq> ogra: i've heard it isn't so bad in the south west, cuz of the air coming from the ocean
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| 14:32 | <ogra> germany had ~29°C in some places the last days
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| 14:33 | ah, yes
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| 14:33 | <jammcq> it keeps the temps a bit lower
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| 14:33 | i'm expecting it to just be very nice
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| 14:33 | we'll see soon enough, eh?
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| 14:33 | <ogra> i'm just fearing the usual cold i catch if its 35°C outside and 18°C in the airconditioned rooms :)
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| 14:33 | yeah, wed is the day :)
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| 14:34 | and vagrant is finally confirmed :)
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| 14:53 | <cliebow_> Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
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| 14:53 | from behind a smoothwall firewall..this mean anything to anyone?
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| 14:54 | <jammcq> cliebow_: error code (2) is generally "file not found"
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| 14:54 | <cliebow_> wierd..other boxes behind same firewall get updates fine
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| 14:54 | same sort of that is
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| 14:54 | <jammcq> maybe it's out of disk space
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| 14:54 | <ogra> yeah
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| 14:54 | sounds like
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| 14:55 | <jammcq> it thinks it downloaded an update, but then can't find it to install it
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| 14:55 | <cliebow_> hmmm. 73 gig avail
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| 14:55 | <jammcq> well.... it sounded like I knew what I was talking about
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| 14:56 | <ogra> heh
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| 14:56 | <cliebow_> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com seems fine
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| 14:56 | <ogra> we always do :)
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| 14:57 | <cliebow_> security.ubuntu.com feisty-security Release.gpg seems fine
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| 14:57 | no.
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| 14:57 | <ogra> no ?
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| 14:57 | <cliebow_> security.ubuntu.com feisty-security Release.gpg s is borked
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| 14:57 | <ogra> aha
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| 14:57 | <cliebow_> oho"?
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| 14:57 | <ogra> try again a bit later, its probably syncing
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| 14:58 | <cliebow_> will do..
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| 14:58 | <ogra> (even though i cant confirm ... running gutsy since this morning)
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| 14:58 | <cliebow_> Grze
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| 14:58 | Graze
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| 15:00 | COOL!
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| 15:02 | <gu> can anyone tell me why defining SCREEN_01=ldm and SCREEN_02=shell leads to a non-working keyboard?
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| 15:03 | <jammcq> gu: cuz you'll end up with ldm on both screen 01 AND 07
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| 15:04 | <gu> why?
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| 15:04 | <jammcq> cuz LDM runs on 07 by default
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| 15:04 | ogra: didn't you say there's a reason why you need getty running on 01 ?
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| 15:04 | <gu> so I'll have to define SCREEN_07=ldm and SCREEN_01=shell if I want an additional local shell?
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| 15:05 | <ogra> upstart needs it
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| 15:05 | <jammcq> gu: no, 07=ldm 02=shell
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| 15:05 | leave 01 as is
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| 15:05 | <gu> ok
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| 15:05 | <ogra> jammcq, i played around a bit and split out the client builde part from ltsp-manager: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18015/
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| 15:05 | *builder
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| 15:05 | <gu> I'll give it a try - thanx
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| 15:06 | <jammcq> ogra: looks like some nice clean python code
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| 15:06 | <ogra> should run out of the box in case you are bored and want to play around ;)
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| 15:06 | <jammcq> bored? don't even know what that is anymore
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| 15:07 | <ogra> heh
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| 15:08 | <ogra> i actually managed to fire up my bike today and do some maintenance ... i was wanting to do that since breezy ...
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| 15:09 | * ogra wonders if something is wrong with you if you start measuring time by ubuntu releases | |
| 15:11 | <mhterres> heehheheh
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| 16:23 | <gonzaloaf_work> Hello I'm using ltsp 4.2, how can I disable the gdm login just in the server?
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| 16:23 | its a ubuntu server
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| 20:01 | <cliebow> J45p3r ho
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| 20:02 | J45p3r, ho
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| 20:14 | <J45p3r> just wanted to let you know that osprey is almost full... 98%
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