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07:54 | <schregge> hello, is it possible to run ltsp as domU (with xen)?
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07:55 | i get an error when i try to run ltsp-build-client (on ubuntu gutsy): http://pastebin.ca/742330
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08:10 | <Guaraldo> schregge: Hi... It looks like a hardware problem... /dev/mem: mmap: Bad address
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08:11 | <schregge> this is normal. iam runnning xen....
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08:12 | <Guaraldo> schregge: But it gave a Segmentation falt, that normaly means a memory falt...
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08:12 | *fault
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08:13 | <schregge> yeah, because i try to run ltsp in domU, and there is no video-card available....
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08:17 | <schregge> ok, i fixed my ltsp-chrrot, but how can i run ltsp-build-client again to complete the process? (without deleting the old directory)?
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08:47 | <jammcq> Goooood morning
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08:49 | <prpplague> jammcq: greeting
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08:49 | <jammcq> hey prpplague
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08:49 | how's it goin?
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08:51 | <prpplague> its going
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08:51 | fun fun fun
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08:51 | friday what can i say
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08:52 | <rjune> Too bad it's not payday friday
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08:58 | <prpplague> rjune: indeed
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08:59 | jammcq: whatcha up to these days?
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08:59 | <rjune> probably lamenting the fact that he never gets payday friday.
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09:01 | <prpplague> rjune: yea, owning your own business has its draw backs
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09:01 | * prpplague much prefers working for someone | |
09:02 | <rjune> me too. less paperwork
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09:09 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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09:11 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Hi, sbalneav!!! Do you know what does gutsy means?
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09:11 | <sbalneav> Gutsy?
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09:11 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Yep...
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09:11 | <sbalneav> Brave would be the most direct translation.
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09:11 | <rjune> it means full of courage.
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09:12 | <sbalneav> Daring
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09:12 | <rjune> Guaraldo: hablo espagnol, si?
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09:12 | <Guaraldo> Ah!, thanks, rjune and sbalneav...
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09:12 | <sbalneav> And for the next one, "hardy heron"
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09:12 | <rjune> Hairy Hardon?
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09:12 | <sbalneav> Yeah, that one.
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09:13 | Hardy means, "able to withstand a lot of abuse"
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09:13 | permanent
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09:13 | long lasting
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09:13 | <rjune> strong, resillient
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09:13 | <sbalneav> right
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09:13 | <sbalneav> since it'll be the next LTS release, that sort of fits in.
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09:14 | <rjune> yeah, but they probably could have picked a better animal
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09:14 | <jammcq> yeah, like Harty Hippo
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09:14 | err
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09:14 | Hardy Hippo
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09:14 | <sbalneav> Hungry Hungry Hippo :)
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09:16 | <prpplague> hehe
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09:48 | <rjune> LOL
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09:51 | <dtrask> jammcq: You and sbalneav inspired me...I bought a new Tom Bihn bag
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09:51 | Hardy Heifer?
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09:52 | would that work?
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09:52 | <Guaraldo> sbalneav: Does fglrx driver supports ATI Radeon X2300 card?
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09:52 | <sbalneav> Oooh, got me.
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09:52 | I never used the propriatary driver, and now I've pretty much switched over to Intel for my graphics
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10:00 | <dtrask> How about Hardy Horsey?
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10:01 | ok...I'm done
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10:01 | ;-)
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10:01 | jammcq: will you be there Friday night for any festivities?
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10:02 | <Dorphalsig> Hello
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10:03 | I'm trying to connect an epson LX300 to a terminal...
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10:03 | I added the printer in cups, have set the workstation to have lpt1 etc
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10:03 | however when I print ... it takes too long!!
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10:04 | <dtrask> I want you all to know that Matt and I proposed "Groovy Gazelle" instead of Gutsy Gibbon....Marc said, "noted", but obviously we didn't "win" ;-)
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10:06 | <rjune> back in a bit. off to install gutsy
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10:06 | <Dorphalsig> lo?
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10:08 | <jammcq> dtrask: I'll be arriving in Boston on friday afternoon. I wasn't planning on joining the ubuntu folks those. I'll have some others with me and I didn't want to barge into the ubuntu party
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10:09 | <dtrask> jammcq: you realize that pending the outcome of the next 2 games...Boston could be in the grips of the World Series that week ;-)
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10:09 | <jammcq> umm, that's baseball, right?
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10:10 | <dtrask> jammcq: New England baseball fans are FANATIC...I know...I'm one of them ;-) and yes..it is
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10:10 | LOL
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10:10 | <jammcq> but surely, the world series would be over by nov 2nd, eh?
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10:10 | <dtrask> jammcq: at least the Tigers are actually pretty good...the Lions on the other hand....
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10:10 | yeah
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10:11 | <jammcq> Lions... that's football, right?
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10:11 | <dtrask> Nov 2 would be game 7....no worries....no tickets available anyway
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10:11 | LOL
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10:11 | <jammcq> :)
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10:11 | <dtrask> Ok...the Pistons are pretty good too
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10:11 | <jammcq> yeah, especially compared to the Celtics lately
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10:11 | <dtrask> What's the Detroit Hockey team? Red Wings?
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10:11 | <jammcq> yep
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10:12 | <dtrask> wonder if Detroit comes to Boston at all that week
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10:12 | <jammcq> well, too early I think for both basketball and hockey
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10:13 | <dtrask> jammcq: The Celtics "might" improve this year....but remember when....we had Bird, McHale, and all those guys! ;-)
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10:13 | <jammcq> I think the basketball season starts that weekend tho
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10:13 | dtrask: the celtics have no choice but to improve
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10:13 | they're down at the bottom of the barrel lately
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10:13 | although, the knicks are down there too
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10:13 | <dtrask> jammcq: They stay down long enough they'll have a whole team of 1st round draft picks ;-)
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10:13 | <Dorphalsig> Hello... I'm trying to setup a local printer (EPSON LX-300), however when I try to print something, it prints waaaay to slow (1 line every 2 or 3 mins)
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10:14 | <jammcq> hmm
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10:14 | <dtrask> Dorphalsig: Patience is a virtue
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10:14 | Dorphalsig: just kidding ;-)
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10:15 | <dtrask> Dorphalsig: I'm not familiar with local printers...so I'll let the others help you out
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10:15 | <Dorphalsig> but I got another 3 people behind me
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10:15 | so I need to run to get there :P:P
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10:18 | jammcq? ure like the Dalai Lama, u know everything about everything ... cant ya help me out?
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10:27 | <Dorphalsig> hrmm anyway... I think I just managed to fix it
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10:28 | bye
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10:32 | <vagrantc> !wireless
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10:32 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "wireless" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WirelessLtsp
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10:49 | <sbalneav> Morning vagrantc!
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10:49 | Hey, you going to be available on irc when we do the BTS?
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11:02 | <mhterres_> hello guys
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11:02 | :-)
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11:02 | hi jammcq
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11:02 | hey sbalneav
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11:02 | <sbalneav> Hey mhterres_! I think he's out to lunch
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11:03 | <mhterres_> hey sbalneav
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11:03 | how are u my friend ?
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11:03 | <sbalneav> I'm doing fine
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11:03 | Howzabout you?
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11:03 | <mhterres_> doing great :-)
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11:03 | what is the news ?
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11:04 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: hi! :)
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11:04 | sbalneav: BTS ?
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11:04 | <mhterres_> Marlon's birthday was last tuesday and we did a churrasco in his house on sunday
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11:04 | :-)
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11:04 | <sbalneav> Well, Gutsy's released, and we're having the next By The Sea to sort out some upstream issues
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11:05 | <vagrantc> ah, wish i could make it
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11:05 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: By The Sea, the gathering of LTSPites.
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11:05 | <mhterres_> anybody here is using Gutsy ?
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11:05 | <sbalneav> Well, you can be there via rc.
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11:05 | irc.
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11:05 | <vagrantc> sure, sure.
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11:05 | <mhterres_> We installed gutsy here, but now we can't authenticate using ldap
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11:05 | any ideas ?
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11:05 | <vagrantc> but i don't get to see y'alls purty faces that way
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11:05 | <sbalneav> We'll need you, actually, seeing as how we're going to use this one to formalize upstream
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11:05 | mhterres_: I'm using LDAP with gutsy
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11:06 | there were some changes that they made.
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11:06 | <mhterres_> sbalneav, how can u put it to work ?
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11:06 | <sbalneav> hold on, let me get my notes...
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11:06 | <mhterres_> I saw a new way, using auth-client-config but It is not working here
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11:07 | I configured /etc/ldap.conf and /etc/pam.d/common-account, common-auth and common-session, and nsswitch.conf too
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11:07 | <sbalneav> Yeah, everyhting's in ldap.conf now.
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11:07 | here's what I've got:
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11:07 | for ldap.conf:
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11:07 | uri ldap://192.9.201.237
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11:07 | base dc=legalaid,dc=mb,dc=ca
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11:07 | rootbinddn cn=ldapadmin,dc=legalaid,dc=mb,dc=ca
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11:07 | pam_password exop
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11:08 | I've got my /etc/ldap.secret file, mode 600
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11:08 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: what are the dates of the BTS ?
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11:08 | <mhterres_> I don't have a ldap.secret here
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11:08 | <sbalneav> nssswitch.conf:
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11:08 | passwd: compat ldap
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11:08 | group: compat ldap
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11:08 | shadow: compat ldap
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11:08 | * vagrantc can't help but think Bug Tracking System | |
11:08 | <sbalneav> Umm
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11:08 | <mhterres_> and I'm not using rootbinddn (is it not optional ?)
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11:09 | <sbalneav> the ubuntu summit ends on friday, we're saturday to monday
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11:09 | Well, I rootbinddn, since I allow users to change their passwords.
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11:09 | I've got password expiry in place.
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11:10 | <mhterres_> Hmm, ok, this is not our case
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11:10 | <sbalneav> What happens if you do a "getent passwd"? Do you get a full password file from the ldap?
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11:10 | <mhterres_> yes
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11:10 | <sbalneav> ok
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11:11 | <mhterres_> the problem is that when I boot the system, the X don't up
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11:11 | <sbalneav> so, the nss side of things is working, just not the pam-ldap
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11:11 | <mhterres_> and I can't authenticate even with root local account
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11:11 | yes
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11:11 | <sbalneav> Have you set a password for root?
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11:11 | <mhterres_> yes
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11:11 | If I remove ldap from nsswitch I can login with root
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11:12 | that is how I am logged right now
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11:12 | <sbalneav> You got the compat first, or ldap first in nssswitch.conf?
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11:12 | <mhterres_> compat
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11:12 | <sbalneav> That should work then.
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11:12 | <mhterres_> yes
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11:13 | It is happening in the 2 computers we installed gutsy
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11:13 | my computer and Alberto's computer
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11:13 | <sbalneav> Have you got a separate /etc/ldap/ldap.conf, for the ldap libs?
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11:13 | here's mine:
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11:13 | #
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11:13 | # LDAP Defaults
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11:13 | #
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11:13 | URI ldap://192.9.201.237
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11:13 | base dc=legalaid,dc=mb,dc=ca
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11:13 | pam_filter objectclass=posixAccount
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11:13 | rootbinddn cn=ldapadmin, dc=legalaid,dc=mb,dc=ca
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11:13 | <mhterres_> ans how about the /etc/auth-client-config/profile.d
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11:13 | <sbalneav> I needed the pam_filter bit
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11:13 | <mhterres_> Is it necessary ?
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11:14 | <sbalneav> It was for me.
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11:14 | <mhterres_> let me sse
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11:14 | what did you put inside this directory ?
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11:14 | there are 2 files there
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11:14 | acc-default and ldap-auth-config
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11:14 | Do I need to change something in this files ?
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11:15 | <sbalneav> Wow, I never looked at those files
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11:15 | I just modified the pam-* files in /etc/pam.d
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11:15 | ls
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11:15 | <mhterres_> ok, I did this too
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11:15 | <sbalneav> common-auth:
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11:16 | auth sufficient pam_ldap.so
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11:16 | auth required pam_unix.so nullok_secure try_first_pass
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11:16 | common-password:
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11:16 | password sufficient pam_ldap.so
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11:16 | password required pam_unix.so try_first_pass
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11:16 | common-account:
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11:16 | account sufficient pam_ldap.so
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11:16 | account required pam_unix.so try_first_pass
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11:17 | <mhterres_> almost the same
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11:17 | <sbalneav> Anything in /var/log? I think it logs to the auth
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11:17 | <mhterres_> and common-session ?
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11:17 | <sbalneav> session required pam_unix.so
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11:17 | session optional pam_foreground.so
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11:18 | I don't even list the ldap in there
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11:18 | <mhterres_> yes, I just put the mkhomedir there
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11:18 | <cliebow_> sbalneav:so you are driving up Saturday right?
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11:18 | <mhterres_> well, I'll reboot to see
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11:18 | <sbalneav> Yeah, you need a reboot
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11:18 | I've always had that.
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11:19 | <mhterres_> after I installed and configured everything is workinf fine
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11:19 | but in the first boot, authentication stops working
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11:20 | <sbalneav> Wierd
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11:21 | <mhterres_> Did you upgrade or did a new instalation ?
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11:22 | <mhterres_> strange
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11:22 | <sbalneav> This was a new installation.
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11:23 | <mhterres_> If I try to login with root, it is asking for the password
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11:23 | <sbalneav> No messages in /var/log/auth_log?
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11:23 | <mhterres_> If I try a LDAP user, it hungs
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11:23 | no
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11:23 | nothing unusula
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11:23 | unusual
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11:23 | <sbalneav> You using a dns name for the uri, or an IP address?
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11:23 | <mhterres_> IP
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11:24 | we avoid the uri in the confs
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11:25 | <sbalneav> Can you paste your /etc/ldap.conf file?
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11:26 | <mhterres_> I think I discover the problem
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11:27 | is something with the eths
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11:27 | <sbalneav> Ah, what?
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11:27 | <mhterres_> let me see if I am correct
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11:29 | looks like he is not getting the IP
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11:29 | it is
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11:29 | :-)
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11:29 | <sbalneav> So, working now?
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11:30 | * Gadi thinks this is a good time to reiterate my objection to ldap-auth on the thin clients :) | |
11:30 | <mhterres_> testing :-)
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11:30 | <sbalneav> Gadi: I've already worked it out so we don't need it for localapps :)
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11:30 | <Gadi> sbalneav: using ssh?
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11:30 | <mhterres_> no, this is the problem
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11:31 | it is not getting the IP
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11:31 | <sbalneav> Muahahaha, kinda, but not.
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11:31 | What, it can't contact the ldap server?
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11:31 | <Gadi> x atoms?
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11:31 | <sbalneav> Yeah
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11:31 | here's how it will work
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11:31 | <Gadi> with u, its always one or the other ;)
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11:31 | <cliebow_> this is cool...
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11:32 | <sbalneav> we'll have a login scrript for ldm that will pull down the user information across the ssh pipe, and stick it in a file
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11:32 | getent passwd $USER, getent group, etc...
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11:32 | * Gadi remembers that one ... ;) | |
11:32 | <sbalneav> Then, we have libnss-extrafiles set up, so that it will get the info from the extra files
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11:32 | Home's mounted via sshfs
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11:33 | and I've written an xrexecd, that launches programs via an xatom
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11:33 | it's all nice and small
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11:33 | and will work with whatever auth you've got up on the server.
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11:33 | I'm hoping to demo it at BTS
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11:34 | <Gadi> any program?
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11:34 | can it execute shutdown?
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11:34 | and is it protected by x security?
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11:35 | <sbalneav> yes
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11:35 | yes
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11:35 | yes
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11:35 | :)
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11:35 | wait
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11:35 | 2 no
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11:35 | <sbalneav> Since it won't allow you to execute root programs.
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11:35 | <Gadi> nice
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11:35 | <sbalneav> But, we can have it monitor a "shutdown" atom, I suppose. That would be easy enough.
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11:36 | <Gadi> and i guess on the server, you run something like: xrexec firefox
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11:36 | <sbalneav> you got it.
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11:36 | <Gadi> nice
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11:37 | does jammcq still object to sshfs?
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11:37 | <sbalneav> Well, I've written a shim
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11:37 | to fix sshfs's problem
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11:37 | <Gadi> cool
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11:37 | <sbalneav> here's what xrexec looks like
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11:37 | <Gadi> as I knew you could
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11:37 | <sbalneav> #!/bin/sh
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11:37 | xprop -root -f LTSP_USERNAME 8s -set LTSP_USERNAME "${USER}"
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11:37 | xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND "$1"
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11:38 | <Gadi> is the 8s a timeout on the atom?
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11:38 | <sbalneav> No, 8 bit string
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11:38 | xprop's syntax it a bit... quirky
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11:38 | <Gadi> all looks quite elegant
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11:39 | <sbalneav> Well, it's SIMPLE, anyway.
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11:39 | <Gadi> I like the x atoms thing for launching the app
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11:39 | <sbalneav> Well, it automatically buys you the security
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11:39 | <Gadi> and you dont need sshd running on the client
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11:39 | does it go through the x port?
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11:39 | (6000)
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11:39 | <sbalneav> and it works over either ssh tunneled or DIRECTX connections
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11:39 | <Gadi> right
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11:40 | yeah, its transparent
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11:40 | xrexecd doesnt listen on a port right?
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11:40 | <sbalneav> And for the sshfs, we can mount using the same ssh control socket as we've set up/
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11:40 | <Gadi> right
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11:40 | <sbalneav> No, it just sits and sits in an X event loop looking for the LTSP_COMMAND property to change
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11:40 | <mhterres_> Looks like it not finish the boot
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11:41 | <Gadi> yeah, everything else was what I was looking for a while ago...the xatom thing is the best part, tho
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11:41 | and a great idea
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11:41 | <sbalneav> so if we set up an LTSP_SHUTDOWN atom, we could do that too.
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11:41 | <mhterres_> In 7.04 we have a problem that LDAP tries to connect before the eth is up
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11:41 | <sbalneav> mhterres_: Ah, yeah, could be the same thing.
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11:41 | <mhterres_> looks like
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11:41 | <cliebow_> oh yeah..something about soft connect
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11:41 | <mhterres_> hmmm, cliebow_ : any tips ? :-)
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11:42 | <sbalneav> Yeah, there's a bind_policy_soft thing needed somewhere....
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11:42 | Can't remember where
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11:42 | <mhterres_> I'll search for that
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11:43 | <sbalneav> IIRC, the other way to fix it is that udev's looking for a group that isn't int the group file, nvram I think it was
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11:43 | <cliebow_> yeah in ldap.conf..
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11:43 | <sbalneav> so if you add that group to the group file, then it works, because it won't try looking at ldap
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11:43 | since it finds it locally.
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11:44 | <mhterres_> yeah, I remember that
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11:44 | I'll try
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11:44 | this is an old bug
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11:44 | <sbalneav> No, looks like they fixed that one.
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11:44 | feniks$ grep nvram *
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11:44 | 40-permissions.rules:KERNEL=="nvram", GROUP="nvram"
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11:44 | feniks$ grep nvram /etc/group
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11:44 | nvram:x:106:
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11:45 | <mhterres_> hmmm
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11:45 | <sbalneav> I remember that one bit me in the butt.
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11:45 | Wait, maybe I added that :)
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11:45 | check your group file
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11:45 | <mhterres_> I'm booting
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11:45 | let's me
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11:45 | let's see
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11:46 | <sbalneav> ok
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11:46 | ok
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11:46 | :)
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11:46 | <mhterres_> :-)
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11:47 | <cliebow_> sbalneav:you ever come across a halt in bootup after "starting kernel log daemon"??
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11:47 | <mhterres_> sbalneav, did you know that next FISL we'll be in PUC again ? You don't know PUC, I think. It is a university. It will be better there.
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11:47 | <cliebow_> after updating
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11:48 | <mhterres_> cliebow_, that is my problem
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11:48 | <sbalneav> Gadi: bzr get http://swan.he.net/~sbalneav/bzr/xrexecd, if you're interested.
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11:48 | cliebow_: no, I haven't
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11:48 | <cliebow_> ohhh??? Really????
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11:48 | <Gadi> sbalneav: Im always interested ;)
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11:49 | <sbalneav> It's stupidly simple, and I haven't got much error checking yet, but I was using it to launch xterms, and xclocks :)
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11:49 | so it works.
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11:50 | <cliebow_> mhterres_: you think that is slapd related then???
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11:50 | <mhterres_> I've got the nvram group :-/
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11:50 | cliebow_, I'm not running slapd locally
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11:50 | cliebow_, did you have this problem ?
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11:51 | <cliebow_> ive been bitten several times where after update botting stops at "starting kernel log dasemon"
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11:51 | <mhterres_> cliebow_, and did you solve it ?
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11:51 | <cliebow_> i think i went in and commented out the line where that starts..and it hung on the next step..
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11:51 | <Gadi> sbalneav: out of curiosity, you should see if you do: xhost + on the server, if you can execute stuff on the thin client from another machine
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11:51 | :)
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11:51 | <cliebow_> it was on a sandbox so i blew it away and reinstalled
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11:52 | <mhterres_> cliebow_, did you remember where did you did that ?
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11:52 | * Gadi loves compromising security | |
11:52 | <cliebow_> twice..
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11:52 | <sbalneav> one would expect that would work.
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11:52 | It should, in theory.
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11:52 | <cliebow_> ummm...seems like i looked in rc.sysinit or something like it
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11:52 | <mhterres_> I'll post the solution in my blog. Next Ubuntu version I'll look there :-)
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11:52 | <Gadi> what happens if LTSP_USERNAME is different than the user logged in?
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11:52 | will it execute still?
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11:52 | <sbalneav> No
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11:53 | Not unless it can find it in the local extrafiles
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11:53 | <warren> cool, I got approval to go to the LTSP hackfest in Maine
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11:53 | <sbalneav> I do a getent() call, and if it returns null, then I refuse to do anything.
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11:53 | warren: congrats
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11:53 | <cliebow_> mhterres..maybve in rc5.d folsder i moved syslogd temporarily
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11:54 | <Gadi> sbalneav: so, another cool thing to try, would be to log into the server and run: ssh some-place-else xrexec xclock
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11:54 | <sbalneav> yep
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11:54 | <mhterres_> syslogd ?
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11:54 | <Gadi> in theory, it should pass it right thru
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11:54 | <sbalneav> mhterres_: The thing to do would be to bump up the log level for pam_ldap, and see where it's failing.
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11:55 | I think it's in: common-*:
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11:55 | pam_ldap debug
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11:55 | <mhterres_> hmmm, ok
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11:55 | <cliebow_> loglevel is in slapd.conf..
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11:55 | <mhterres_> yes
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11:55 | <sbalneav> ah, that would work too.
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11:55 | <mhterres_> cliebow_, but I'm not using slapd
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11:56 | in the local machine
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11:56 | <cliebow_> yeah i know
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11:57 | Scottie must be talking about something else...BUT watching your server log should show you something..
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11:57 | <sbalneav> Well, what I'm suggesting is bumping up the logging for the pam_ldap module, so you can see where it's failing
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11:58 | bbiab
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11:58 | lunch meeting
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12:10 | <mhterres_> done
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12:10 | I can't believe it
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12:11 | hmmm
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12:11 | not solved yet
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12:11 | but it is better
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12:11 | let me sse
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12:11 | see
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12:12 | <cliebow_> mhterres:what did you find..
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12:12 | <mhterres_> this line was commented in /etc/network/interfaces
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12:12 | iface eth0 inet dhcp
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12:12 | but gutsy installed the file this way
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12:13 | <cliebow_> Boy:Thtat sounds real familiar
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12:13 | <mhterres_> maybe I found a bug ?
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12:13 | I can't believe it
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12:13 | <cliebow_> so it couldnbt contact ldap cause no interface was up
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12:13 | <mhterres_> yes
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12:13 | sad
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12:13 | maybe it is a bug, cause it is a fresh install
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12:14 | <cliebow_> yes..
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12:15 | <mhterres_> I never imagine that is the problem... :-/
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12:15 | <cliebow_> ill bbiab
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12:15 | <mhterres_> I'll take a look in the other computer
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12:15 | bbiab ???
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12:15 | <cliebow_> something whjen updating is overwriting it seems like...
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12:15 | <mhterres_> what is it ??? -)
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12:15 | <cliebow_> ohh be back in a bit...i have to collect up some laptops
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12:15 | <mhterres_> hmm, ok
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12:15 | see you soon
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18:38 | <Egyptian[Home]> is anybody thinking of getting the new northtec micro client?
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18:41 | norhtec even
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19:02 | <cliebow__> Egyptian[Home], ogra isnt too impressed with em...
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