IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 1 April 2007 (all times are UTC)
| 00:00 | <toddobryan_> joebob777as7: We had to do this and one of my students did it.
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| 00:00 | Let me see if I can find his notes...
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| 00:02 | <joebob777as7> that would be great!
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| 00:04 | <joebob777as7> how long will it take? I've got to leave here soon. I don't want to rush you though.
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| 00:04 | <toddobryan_> Have you tried running "sudo ltsp-build-client" ?
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| 00:04 | Not sure if that defaults to 32-bit on a 64-bit system...
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| 00:04 | <joebob777as7> yes i did that and since it's a amd64 server it defaults to a an /opt/amd64 directory install
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| 00:05 | <jammcq> joebob777as7: try this: man ltsp-build-client
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| 00:08 | <joebob777as7> i can do a --dist to specify distrubution but it doesn't give me any options...
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| 00:09 | <jammcq> what version of ubuntu are you using?
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| 00:09 | <joebob777as7> feisty
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| 00:09 | <jammcq> read the man page, look at '--arch'
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| 00:09 | <joebob777as7> ok i see it
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| 00:10 | that looks like it but what is the paramater i use?
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| 00:10 | <jammcq> looks to me like it says it supports "i386", "amd64" or "powerpc"
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| 00:13 | <joebob777as7> awesome! i'll give it a try thanks a bunch!
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| 00:25 | <joebob777as7> jammcq: do you by chance know how the clients figure out which dist to boot from?
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| 00:25 | <jammcq> it's in the dhcpd.conf file
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| 00:25 | that would be /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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| 00:26 | if you want to make your client boot the 386 kernel, you need to point the 'filename' entry to your 386 kernel
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| 00:26 | and you also need to change the 'root-path' in the same file
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| 00:26 | if you wanna do both 32-bit and 64-bit, there's tons of information on dhcp on the LTSP wiki
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| 00:27 | <joebob777as7> ok thanks. do you know off hand how to do both or should i just search it up on the wiki?
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| 00:27 | <jammcq> read the wiki
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| 00:28 | <joebob777as7> ok will do thanks a bunch~!!!
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| 00:28 | <jammcq> no prob
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| 00:28 | i'm heading to bed. See ya'll later
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| 00:28 | <joebob777as7> me too night
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| 00:31 | <Bhaskar> i need to install sound package extra in ltsp4.2,K12
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| 00:32 | i have problem on sound?
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| 00:33 | Anybody is there?
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| 00:40 | All are sleeping ??
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| 01:09 | dem, dan__t edgarin_ Faithful ping all are sleeping i need support
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| 03:01 | <Bhaskar> ogra, can u help me about printer configuration?
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| 04:22 | <Bhaskar> ping
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| 05:57 | primeministerp, can u help me?
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| 07:36 | <Franckito> Hi everybody
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| 07:39 | <Franckito> Got a problem with LTSP. I installed it and use it on old dell laptops but I can't have a 102x768 resolution. I know it's possible on these laptops. When I launch an old live CD, I've got it. I don't with recent live cds.
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| 07:39 | Do you think it's an Xorg problem ? Should I use XFree ? downgrade to ltsp 4.1 ?
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| 07:40 | <cliebow> Franckito, you can specify a modeline in an lts.conf..
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| 07:41 | X_MODE_0=800x600 or an entire modeline
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| 07:41 | <Franckito> I don't know the screen refresh rates. I looked for infos on dell.com but couldn't find anything.
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| 07:41 | I tried that. Didn't work.
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| 07:42 | <cliebow> this ltsp5?
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| 07:42 | <Franckito> ltsp4.1
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| 07:42 | 4.2 sorry
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| 07:43 | <cliebow> hmmm..it should..i do that for some wonky lcd s i have in 4.2
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| 07:44 | <Franckito> Without indicating the refresh rates ?
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| 07:44 | <cliebow> X_MODE_0=800x600 40 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666
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| 07:45 | is what i have..you can pick out refresh rates with xvidtune
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| 07:46 | <Franckito> I'll try but change 800x600 for 1024x768 ;-)
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| 07:46 | thanks for the xvidtunes tip.
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| 07:46 | <cliebow> give it a whirl anayway 8~)
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| 07:50 | <Franckito> Doesn't work
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| 07:51 | The card is an ATI Rage
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| 07:52 | I'll try to use xvidtunes.
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| 08:11 | <Franckito> #quit thanks !
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| 08:11 | #exit
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| 11:01 | <ernierasta> I have a question, how can I install programs on client (I am using edubuntu 7.04 as ltsp server, server is amd64, but clients i386)? I set up everything, and it is working, but I want to install x11vnc on client. Have you any idea?
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| 11:03 | <cliebow> needs to be installed chroot in /opt/ltsp/i386
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| 11:03 | right?
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| 11:04 | <ernierasta> yeah, but apt-get in chroot env. can not find x11vnc
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| 11:10 | <ernierasta> maybe I am doing something wrong 1. i go into chroot by: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 /bin/bash than i try to install it by: apt-get install x11vnc
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| 11:12 | maybe there is something with repositories? (i have not much experiences with debian-based distos)
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| 11:37 | <cliebow> ernierasta, isnt it libvncserver?
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| 11:38 | hmmm..
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| 11:39 | in ubuntu it is x11vnc
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| 11:44 | <ernierasta> I will ask at edubuntu channel, thank you cliebow!
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| 11:49 | <gdi2k_> greetings. been experimenting with ltsp over the last few days. setup etc. all worked perfectly (thx to ubuntu integration), but I am disappointed with the terminal's performance (K6 - 533 MHz, 196 MB RAM). even at 1024 x 768 the screen draws are slow - irritatingly slow. are my expectations too high?
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| 11:49 | <cliebow> ltsp5?
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| 11:49 | <gdi2k_> yes
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| 11:50 | <jammcq> gdi2k_: what video card in the client?
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| 11:50 | <cliebow> o gra and jammcq have been doing some ..heh
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| 11:51 | <gdi2k_> it's a trident supported card of some sort. problem is that the terminal font turns to chinese half way through the boot, so I can't actually log in to the terminal to check logs etc.
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| 11:51 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 11:52 | <cliebow> completely chines..or sanskrit/
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| 11:52 | <gdi2k_> I can use a gentoo live CD to check exactly what card
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| 11:52 | <jammcq> what version of Ubuntu ?
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| 11:52 | <gdi2k_> well, hard to tell - Cs with little tails seem very prevalent!
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| 11:52 | <gdi2k_> Feisty
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| 11:53 | (beta)
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| 11:53 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 11:53 | i've been working alot with that lately
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| 11:53 | <cliebow> i second the hmm..i know my ppc chroot works pretty near perfectly
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| 11:53 | <gdi2k_> I also have an AMD 64 which I have tested as a client, works beautifully
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| 11:53 | I suspect the graphics hardware in the K6 machine is just rubbish
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| 11:54 | <jammcq> yeah. you might also try setting: SCREEN_07 = startx
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| 11:54 | and then enable remote xdmcp in your gdm config
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| 11:55 | <gdi2k_> I can get to the login prompt ok, but I can't switch to the first terminal and login there (as I can't see what I'm doing)
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| 11:56 | when I say login prompt, I mean the LDM login
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| 11:57 | <jammcq> what happens if you try to login at the LDM prompt?
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| 11:58 | <gdi2k_> I can login, works okayish. but the redraws are nastily slow
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| 11:58 | I also have an NFS issue somewhere - I see error of not being able to find the NFS server on the server when the client is booting, before it turns chinese
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| 11:59 | <ernierasta> gdi2k: I am trying ltsp for only few hours, but i must say that performance is realy not bad (ok, it is problem to watch film, but there is only 10Mbit/s ethernet card in client)
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| 12:01 | <gdi2k_> yeh, if I use the AMD64 machine, I can see the bandwidth hitting its limits when running youtube (at about 8MB / sec) but that's to be expected. However, on the slow machine, bandwidth never goes above 1 MB / sec outbound from the server, which sounds like the terminal is the bottleneck
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| 12:01 | (100 MBit network)
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| 12:01 | <ernierasta> (server amd64 3000+, 1GB ram, sata disk; client P2, 300mhz, +- 200MB ram)
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| 12:01 | <jammcq> gdi2k_: encrypting the X traffic over SSH is a huge cpu bottleneck
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| 12:02 | <gdi2k_> ah
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| 12:02 | <jammcq> changing to xdmcp can improve the performance alot
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| 12:14 | <gdi2k_> ok, I added SCREEN_07 = startx to lts.conf and enabled remote GDM logins, but I now just get the gray X screen, no gdm
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| 12:15 | <jammcq> you need to restart gdm for the new settings to take effect. But, it'll kill your current session, if you are logged in on the console on that server
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| 12:15 | <gdi2k_> I see
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| 12:27 | <dem> hardware crypto
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| 12:41 | <gdi2k_> thx for your help Jim, using the client sans ssh works much better - it's nicely usable now
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| 12:42 | <jammcq> ah, great to hear
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| 12:43 | <gdi2k_> gfx quality is terrible, but that's down to the poor hardware (and being used to modern LCDs with DVI quality output)
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| 12:47 | <cliebow> jammcq:is staratx in ubuntu much the same as 4.2's screen.d/startx?
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| 12:47 | <jammcq> yep
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| 12:47 | zackly
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| 13:23 | <gdi2k_> what's the most effective way of dealing with client disconnects? it seems that there are lots of progs still running when the user logs back in - especially firefox moans about this...
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| 13:43 | <sbalneav> Afternoon all
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| 13:43 | <jammcq> !s
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| 13:43 | <ltspbot> jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:43 | <sbalneav> hey jammcq
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| 13:44 | <jammcq> what's happening?
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| 13:45 | <sbalneav> Not much. Hey, the tickets link you sent me, didn't contain a link for the hop from Sau Paulo to Porto Alegra
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| 13:45 | You got that yet?
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| 13:45 | <jammcq> right
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| 13:45 | that's a different airline
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| 13:45 | they were supposed to send me a confirmation via email, but it prolly got trapped in spam filters
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| 13:45 | I'll have to call them and get the details
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| 13:46 | i've got it all written down somewhere
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| 13:46 | <sbalneav> That's fine, so long as ONE of us has it come next Tuesday :)
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| 13:46 | <jammcq> yep
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| 13:46 | well, theoretically, we should just be able to walk up to the TAM counter and check in
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| 13:46 | it's nice to have something on paper
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| 13:47 | <sbalneav> So, listen, I'm having a lot of trouble with this hardware I didn't get from you. Do you think you could help me debug it? :)
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| 13:47 | <jammcq> umm, yeah, right
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| 14:06 | <jammcq> lots of activity around detroit this weekend. Wrestlemania is here
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| 16:32 | <cliebow> !bootfloppy
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| 16:32 | <ltspbot> cliebow: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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| 18:14 | <joebob777as7> i've got 64bit and 32bit clients... is there a boot script i could have the server push to them first to discover or have a number to define which they boot as?
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| 18:16 | <jammcq> joebob777as7: didn't I tell you yesterday that you can control that via the dhcpd.conf file?
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| 18:16 | it's not a script
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| 18:16 | it's a conf
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| 18:17 | <joebob777as7> yes i know i can but i don't know how to have both types of clients i changed it to 1386 but now my 64bit client won't work...
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| 18:17 | <jammcq> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP
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| 18:17 | create 2 'host' entries
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| 18:17 | one for the 32-bit client, and another for your 64-bit client
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| 18:18 | put the mac address for the 32-bit client in the 32-bit host entry
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| 18:18 | put the mac address for the 64-bit client in the 64-bit host entry
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| 18:18 | also, in the 2 host entries, you'll need 'filename' and 'root-path' entries, pointing to the proper kernel and chroot environment
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| 18:19 | <joebob777as7> oh ok thanks a bunch.
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| 18:38 | <joebob777as7> another stupid question... i'm setting up my user's desktops... I have 6 students and I want 3 to have the same apps on the desktop and 3 to have a different set of apps on the desktops... is it best to just log in as them and set it up one by one?
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| 18:38 | <jammcq> umm, that part I dunno. all my users get the same setup, usually Icewm
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| 18:39 | <joebob777as7> why icewm?
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| 18:39 | <jammcq> nice and light weight
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| 18:40 | <joebob777as7> think i should use it instead of kubuntu? none are used to linux...
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| 18:40 | <jammcq> hmm, dunno. my sites have lots of users, so lightweight is important
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| 18:41 | and my users have limited things they can do
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| 18:41 | <joebob777as7> i'll only have 6 maybe 8 max... i guess i can always switch...
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| 18:41 | <jammcq> i've got 140 users
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| 18:41 | so it's important to keep things lightweight
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| 18:41 | <joebob777as7> wow! what is it for? what are you using for a server?
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| 18:43 | <jammcq> office workers in a healthcare supply company
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| 18:43 | server is a dual xeon with 4gb of ram
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| 18:43 | nothing special
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| 18:44 | <joebob777as7> what do they mainly do on the clients?
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| 18:44 | <jammcq> email, web, openoffice and xterms to ssh into other servers to run accounting/inventory/orderentry stuff
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| 18:45 | <edgarin> jammcq, Hi how are you?
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| 18:46 | <jammcq> hey edgarin doing great. how's it going down there?
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| 18:46 | <edgarin> fine!
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| 18:46 | jammcq, you go to the FISL in Brazil?
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| 18:47 | <jammcq> I'll be flying over your house in about 9 days :)
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| 18:47 | yes, I'll be there
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| 18:47 | <edgarin> :)
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| 18:47 | jammcq, I proposed a conference in the FISL but my conference was rejected :(
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| 18:50 | <edgarin> jammcq, but in another event i will have the honor to meet in person to the founder of LTSP
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| 18:50 | :D
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| 20:44 | <joebob777as7> i'm creating user accounts and none can log in accept my main user that i created when i install ubuntu... is there anything special i need to do?
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| 20:47 | <cliebow> do they have homedirs?
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| 20:47 | <joebob777as7> yes
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| 20:47 | <cliebow> and the perms seem ok?
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| 20:48 | i doubt if ltsp-update-sshkeys will fix that..
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| 20:48 | login error that sis
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| 20:48 | <joebob777as7> yes permissions seem ok...
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| 20:50 | <cliebow> ogra aput this together..perhaps he has time
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| 20:55 | <joebob777as7> i looked into the log and the newly created users even though i put that passwords never expire were coming up expired... and on my thin-client it didn't show i needed to update but when i went to log in on the server it prompted for password change... know how i can fix this so i don't have to log in to every account?
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| 20:57 | <cliebow> i dont sorry
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| 21:02 | <jammcq> be happy
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| 21:06 | <cliebow> knucklehead 8~)
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