IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 16 November 2006 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:26 | <MrMoo> I saw the Spanish comments on Pulse/Flash 9 will have to check soon
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| 03:27 | Having some hardware compatibility issues with Edgy to diagnose first ... :(
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| 03:28 | Geode support seems to have got worse
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| 06:13 | <erikyy> hello. ltsp-4.2 always tells me "(EE) no drivers available"
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| 06:13 | <erikyy> ltsp-4.1 runs without problems
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| 06:13 | what am i doing wrong?
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| 06:20 | ah i see. x error log sais it finds an ati card but it does not load ati driver. after specifying XSERVER=ati everything works
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| 06:21 | but then i have another machine. right after booting it starts to display the penguin and all the rest of the screen is unreadable. can i somehow deactivate framebuffer stuff on console???
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| 06:45 | s there a way to control mouse speed? X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION has no effect
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| 06:54 | <McPolo> erikyy: I guess that's easiest done in GUI.
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| 06:54 | <erikyy> mcpolo: but i use rdesktop
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| 07:44 | <erikyy> i added mousespeed support to LTSP rdesktop
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| 07:44 | and also randomized hostname generation ..... :)
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| 07:46 | damn :( ltsp does not contain the xset command :(
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| 08:17 | <pscheie> morning jammcq
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| 08:18 | <jammcq> hey pscheie
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| 08:18 | <pscheie> dhcpd listens on port 67, right? or so says my Droms & Lemon book
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| 08:19 | do you know why nmap doesn't show anything listening on port 67?
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| 08:19 | Is it because it's UDP?
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| 08:24 | <jammcq> well, even UDP sockets should show up
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| 08:24 | although you might need to specify an option to nmap
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| 08:24 | I'd use: netstat -anp | grep ":67 "
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| 08:24 | on the server
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| 08:25 | <cliebow_> jammcq:!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 08:28 | <jammcq> hey chuck
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| 08:30 | <cliebow_> I am in Stevejobs land today..
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| 08:31 | trying to compile
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| 08:34 | weird:appears to be installing openssi..to run ktouch??
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| 08:51 | <ninou> hi
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| 08:51 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:53 | <cliebow_> Scottie:!!
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| 08:56 | <erikyy> i have massive mouse problems witrh ltsp-4.2
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| 08:56 | first he always takes two pixels at once when moving the mouse. second i cannot get mousewheel to work.
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| 08:56 | <cliebow_> did you try imps2 instead of ps2?
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| 08:56 | <erikyy> ok i do.
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| 08:57 | <cliebow_> give er a whirl 8~)
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| 08:57 | <erikyy> no changes
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| 08:57 | if i try "logitech" then he correctly takes one pixel per move
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| 08:57 | <cliebow_> you rebooted the client?
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| 08:57 | <erikyy> but anyway i cannot get mousewheel to work
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| 08:57 | sure
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| 08:59 | <erikyy> :-(
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| 09:00 | i'm completely puzzled
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| 09:02 | <sbalneav> Can you paste your lts.conf file to http://pastebin.ca, and post the link here?
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| 09:03 | <erikyy> http://pastebin.ca/250022
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| 09:06 | ( RDP_MOUSE_XSET is my own addon to rdesktop screen so that xset is called first to adjust mouse speed )
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| 09:06 | but as you see i am running with "startx" and use "xev" to check for wheel events, but there are none
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| 09:07 | <sbalneav> What type of mouse is it?
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| 09:08 | <erikyy> does not matter. i tried logitech, fujitsu and others
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| 09:10 | <sbalneav> X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "Intellimouse" should work.
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| 09:11 | <erikyy> i give it a try
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| 09:12 | no. mouse goes completely crazy
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| 09:15 | <sbalneav> Hm
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| 09:15 | Well, either one of those should work. What happens if you use a USB mouse?
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| 09:15 | Maybe something's funny with the PS/2 port?
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| 09:17 | <erikyy> problem is that i get these problems on all my hosts
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| 09:19 | <sbalneav> What happens with "X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = Microsoft"?
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| 09:19 | <Gadi> what is your xset command?
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| 09:19 | I have made this mod as well
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| 09:19 | and havent had issues
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| 09:20 | <erikyy> xset m 1 1
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| 09:20 | but here i use "startx" which is ltsp original
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| 09:20 | <Gadi> I add the following to my rdesktop.wrapper script:
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| 09:20 | /usr/X11R6/bin/xset m ${X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION:-400}/200 6
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| 09:20 | and then set X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION as desired
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| 09:21 | <erikyy> X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION has no effect here
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| 09:21 | whatever i set it it is always ignored
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| 09:21 | <Gadi> it does if you add the line I just pasted
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| 09:21 | :)
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| 09:21 | /usr/X11R6/bin/xset m ${X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION:-400}/200 6
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| 09:22 | <erikyy> well ;) but the xserver itself still ignores that setting
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| 09:22 | maybe i am booting the wrong kernel
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| 09:22 | ltsp-4.2 has two kernels.
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| 09:22 | which one should i use?
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| 09:22 | <Gadi> not if you add it in rdesktop.wrapper
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| 09:23 | <erikyy> soon ill take debian stable and mount it by nfs-root
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| 09:23 | :(
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| 09:23 | so much effort to get ltsp running
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| 09:23 | <Gadi> *sigh* it would help to take the banana out of your ear
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| 09:24 | <erikyy> gadi: xset is not setting the mouse speed. it sets acceleration and threshhold
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| 09:24 | mouse speed is set by X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION which maps to a certain xorg.conf parameter
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| 09:26 | i dunno understand whats going wrong here with that damn mouse wheel
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| 09:34 | <cliebow_> erikyy: you have both 4.1 and 4,2 installed right? Sure you are editng the right lts.conf..sorry.had to ask
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| 09:38 | <erikyy> cliebow_ right. but i am sure i didn't mix lts.conf
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| 09:38 | cliebow_ because i see mouse type logitech works, mousetype ps/2 does not work.
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| 09:39 | hmmmmm.... using debian would make my local apps simpler... hm. i need to get 10 pcs with to dualboot either win98 or ltsp
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| 09:39 | it all works, but not mouse.
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| 09:39 | i can't believe it ;)
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| 09:40 | <sbalneav> Did you try the = "Microsoft" setting?
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| 09:40 | <erikyy> yes. mouse goes wild then ;)
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| 09:41 | i don't understand why it's autodetected in knoppix but not in ltdp
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| 09:41 | <sbalneav> Sounds to me like you've managed to get a mixed up 4.1 and 4.2 install.
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| 09:41 | <erikyy> ltsp
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| 09:41 | knoppix still uses xfre86 i think
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| 09:42 | filename "/lts/2.6.17.8-ltsp-1/pxelinux.0";
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| 09:42 | option root-path "192.168.30.9:/opt/ltsp-4.2/i386"; \n is not mixed...
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| 09:42 | the /opt/ltsp-4.2 directory was completely empty and creaetd by ltspadmin.
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| 09:43 | <sbalneav> Well, we've got millions of people using scrolly mouse just fine, and I've got 165 of them at my site alone, all with Logitech PS/2 Scroll wheel optical mice. So, I know it works.
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| 09:43 | <erikyy> well... so whats going wrong here? :)
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| 09:43 | ill go get my box of 50 different mice... hang on
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| 09:43 | <sbalneav> Something you've fone.
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| 09:43 | done.
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| 09:44 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 09:44 | <sbalneav> Hey jammcq
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| 09:45 | Did you get any emails from some guy in argentina blocked from the wiki?
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| 09:45 | He was here yesterday.
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| 09:45 | <jammcq> nope
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| 09:45 | maybe we're blocking his emails too :)
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| 09:45 | <sbalneav> Says he sent you a bunch of emails to jam@ltsp.org
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| 09:45 | I thought it was jammcq@ltsp.org, but maybe you've got an alias
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| 09:46 | <jammcq> no, not 'jammcq'
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| 09:46 | well, actually, there is an alias, so that would work
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| 09:47 | <erikyy> sbalneav: whats your dhcp.conf entry for the kernel filename?
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| 09:48 | * erikyy thinks about kproblems where the kernel somehow interferes with the mouse | |
| 09:48 | <erikyy> /dev/input/mice and such problems
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| 09:51 | <sbalneav> erikyy: filename "/lts/2.6.17.3-ltsp-1/pxelinux.0";
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| 09:51 | <erikyy> i even use this: 2.6.17.8-ltsp-1
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| 09:52 | so your ltsp version is older than mine
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| 09:52 | i am writing XSERVER=ati because otherwise there is no autodetection. is that a problem?
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| 09:52 | <kenguru> is this what i want possible, lts terminals will use ldap authentication from windows 2003 server and users will be able to use active directory accounts?
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| 09:53 | <erikyy> kenguru: just write SCREEN_01 = rdesktop
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| 09:53 | then add some more rdesktop options and customly write a hostid random generator and you have terminal clients for win 2003
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| 09:53 | <kenguru> eer, i don't want that.
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| 09:54 | <erikyy> you don't want RDP client?
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| 09:54 | <kenguru> no.
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| 09:54 | <erikyy> ok then i was wrong.. sorry
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| 09:54 | * bintut waves to all.. | |
| 09:55 | <kenguru> i want users to use lts terminals but their user accounts will be recived from windows 2003 server (login/pwd)
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| 09:56 | <erikyy> kenguru: LTSP can be configured as a RDP client. the LTSP computer powers on and will display the win2k3 server login screen.
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| 09:56 | <bintut> anyone here uses ubuntu dapper lts amd64? anybody has an idea if there's a backport or something for the said distro?
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| 09:57 | <kenguru> erikyy, after that login what will be loaded? default window manager?
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| 09:58 | <bintut> kenguru: i'm not sure but i think you have to setup a samba+openldap pdc as a slave to your existing win2k3 pdc and from there, you can point your login to your samba+openldap pdc
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| 09:59 | <erikyy> kenguru: install "rdesktop" on a linux machine. start it and use it to connect to a win2k3 terminal server. exactly the same thing is done by LTSP then.
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| 10:01 | <bintut> erikyy: isn't it kenguru just want to use the login profile from an existing win2k3 server and (maybe) doesn't want to access the rdesktop?
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| 10:01 | <erikyy> i don't understrand what kenguru wants actually
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| 10:02 | <bintut> erikyy: i think kenguru just want to make use of an existing single sign-on server to access the terminal server
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| 10:02 | <kenguru> :)
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| 10:02 | <erikyy> convert your server into a terminal server and there you go?
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| 10:03 | <kenguru> i try to explain this as simple i can.
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| 10:03 | <bintut> kenguru: please give us more details on what you need..
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| 10:04 | kenguru: please confirm on this: do you have an existing pdc running on win2k3?
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| 10:04 | <kenguru> yes i have.
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| 10:04 | <cliebow_> kenguru: You can use winbind to contact an active directory server
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| 10:04 | <bintut> kenguru: you already installed a separate LTSP server and you want that your thin client users will adopt the user profiles that they have from your pdc and not create on the LTSP server?
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| 10:04 | <cliebow_> and authenticate your linux box to it
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| 10:05 | <kenguru> so i want only user/password will be fetched from a windows server, then user normally log on to the xfce/gnome/whatever.
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| 10:06 | <erikyy> ok now i switched to USB mouse and still he does two pixels per move and still there is no mouse wheeel!
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| 10:06 | WHY?
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| 10:07 | <kenguru> and his "My documents" will be mounted to a desktop so he can use either windows or ltsp
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| 10:07 | <cliebow_> kenguru: might look at wiki.ltsp.org under winintegration
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| 10:07 | <bintut> erikyy: i think you need synaptics module of your xorg.conf
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| 10:08 | <cliebow_> for pam_mount and winbind..
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| 10:08 | <kenguru> okay, i just can't describe it decently what i want. I guess you did understand :)
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| 10:08 | <cliebow_> but smbldap is the way we flew for that
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| 10:08 | after several years of doing just what you describe
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| 10:09 | <erikyy> bintut: X4_MODULE_01 = synaptics
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| 10:09 | ????
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| 10:10 | <bintut> erikyy: ah.. for a mouse wheel.. there is a howto for that in the wiki
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| 10:12 | <erikyy> i found the problem! he adds two sections for mice. so he adds the movements of my mice
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| 10:12 | that's the reason he always moves twice the speed
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| 10:12 | why is there a section on /dev/psaux AND a section on /dev/input/mice
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| 10:14 | X_MOUSE_DEVICE="/dev/null"
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| 10:14 | X_USBMOUSE_PROTOCOL="IMPS/2"
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| 10:14 | now it works. what idiot coded that?;)
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| 10:14 | where do i send the bugreport?
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| 10:15 | the build_x4_cfg script creates a xserver configuration where two mice are added together. but they are the same device. one on /dev/psaux, one on /dev/input/mice
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| 10:15 | this "X_USBMOUSE*" stuff isn't even documented....
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| 10:15 | damn!
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| 10:19 | <cliebow_> erikyy: wanna write it up and add it to the wiki..please
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| 10:19 | <erikyy> cliebow_ i just pasted a mailing on the mailinglist
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| 10:20 | <cliebow_> k ill copy/paste..it is very important to me to get these on the wiki
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| 10:20 | <erikyy> cliebow_: thanks
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| 10:20 | cliebow_ then also put into the wiki that X_USBMOUSE* is not documented
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| 10:21 | it ltsp-4.2 somehow in alpha stage or how come that such a big mistake is in the downloadable version?
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| 10:21 | <jammcq> what mistake?
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| 10:21 | <erikyy> jammcq: see ltsp-discuss mailing "bugreport double mice movement"
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| 10:23 | <jammcq> the X_USB???? stuff came from k12ltsp as a way to handle USB mice. back in the earlier kernels, like 2.4, usb mice were quite different from ps/2 mice. but since the 2.6 kernel we have a very nice /dev/input/mice interface that works for all mice
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| 10:23 | so, there's 2 ways to specify a mouse. what kind of mouse do you have?
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| 10:23 | usb or ps/2 ?
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| 10:23 | <erikyy> jammcq: i can use usb or ps/2 mouse
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| 10:24 | in both cases both devices work
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| 10:24 | somehow...
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| 10:24 | don't ask me.
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| 10:24 | definitly that xf86config file is wrong
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| 10:24 | the kernel should not support mice stuff. then the problem is gone
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| 10:24 | leave all mice handling to xserver.
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| 10:24 | but here you use this /dev/input/mice special stuff which also mixes the ps2 mouse in
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| 10:24 | <jammcq> ah, so the Xorg guys are idiots, not us I guess
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| 10:26 | was the result a mouse that moved too fast?
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| 10:26 | <erikyy> yes it always moves two pixels at the same time
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| 10:26 | <erikyy> because two mouses add up.
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| 10:26 | <jammcq> was it like un-controllably fast?
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| 10:26 | <erikyy> no
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| 10:26 | it was always two pixels at the same time
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| 10:26 | <jammcq> just faster than you'd like?
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| 10:26 | <erikyy> xserver adds up all mouses
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| 10:26 | <jammcq> hmm, interesting
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| 10:26 | <erikyy> no
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| 10:26 | see, when you have touchpad and mouse, the xserver adds up the two mice
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| 10:27 | but here due to wrong configuration you have 2 mice which are physically the same mouse
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| 10:27 | so you get double movement!
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| 10:27 | <jammcq> yeah, interesting
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| 10:27 | <erikyy> not interesting ;) sucking !
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| 10:27 | ;)
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| 10:27 | <jammcq> haven't seen that happen before, that's why it's kind of odd. makes perfect sense what you are saying tho
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| 10:27 | <erikyy> maybe you could try install latest ltsp-4.2
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| 10:28 | <jammcq> I created ltsp-4.2, I don't need to install it
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| 10:28 | <erikyy> hm
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| 10:28 | strange
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| 10:28 | * bintut nods | |
| 10:29 | <erikyy> 8cfd854550bf5547e5bb60acce91a8b0 build_x4_cfg
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| 10:29 | (md5sum)
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| 10:29 | please check
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| 10:29 | <jammcq> jam@martin:/opt/ltsp-4.2/i386/etc$ md5sum build_x4_cfg
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| 10:29 | 8cfd854550bf5547e5bb60acce91a8b0 build_x4_cfg
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| 10:30 | <erikyy> hm ok. so i am really not mixing up 4.1 and 4.2., i really have a clean install
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| 10:30 | when i check /tmp/XF86Config.1 i see the two mouse sections.
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| 10:30 | <jammcq> well, your build_x4_cfg matches the official one
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| 10:30 | <bintut> jammcq: i'm planning to setup an ltsp server on ubuntu dapper lts amd64.. do you think i should use the ltsp5 package of ubuntu and not directly from your site? i'm used with what you provide from the ltsp mirror.. what do you suggest?
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| 10:31 | <erikyy> now i cannot change the mouse speed by xset m anymore.
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| 10:31 | i will now hack a custom XF86config and drop the generated one
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| 10:31 | <jammcq> bintut: well, the LTSP packages in edgy are really good. I prolly wouldn't use the dapper version tho
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| 10:31 | <erikyy> or i patch build x4cfg
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| 10:32 | <bintut> jammcq: ok.. but i want to make use of the LTS of ubuntu as the host OS.. is it safe to install the ltsp packages from edgy to dapper OS?
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| 10:32 | <jammcq> no
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| 10:32 | <erikyy> jammcq: "xset m" does only manipulate the core pointer.
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| 10:33 | you cannot change the mousespeed of the "Mouse1" section
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| 10:33 | <jammcq> you can't use the edgy ltsp on dapper
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| 10:33 | <bintut> jammcq: who's that for -- the "no" answer? :)
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| 10:33 | <jammcq> bintut: you
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| 10:33 | <erikyy> i just patched build_x4_cfg so that only one mouse seciton is generated. now everything works. including "xset m"
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| 10:33 | <bintut> jammcq: ah.. :)
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| 10:33 | <Gadi> wrikyywhy not set X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/null"
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| 10:34 | that should make everything happy
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| 10:34 | <erikyy> Gadi: the complete USBMOUSE secion must be removed, because the usbmouse is never manipulatable by "xset m" because it is not the core pointer
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| 10:34 | <bintut> jammcq: what shall i do then? dapper still has 2 years in desktop support and that's what i'm after for..
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| 10:34 | <erikyy> gadi: i can deactivate it as you described thats correct.
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| 10:34 | <Gadi> erikyy: right, but for now, just use Mouse0, the core pointer
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| 10:34 | <erikyy> gadi: but then X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE="/dev/null" should be default
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| 10:35 | it's definitly a pain to do the mouse stuff right ;) i have respect that you somehow got it to work in older ltsp versions...
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| 10:35 | <Gadi> erikyy: if the section is no longer needed with the 2.6 kernel, then you are correct
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| 10:35 | <erikyy> maybe you should juust only use /dev/input/mice and leave the complete handling to the kernel
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| 10:36 | but maybe the kernel sucks and you better do everything by the xserver ;)
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| 10:36 | * Gadi thinks it was originally intended to be able to plug in a USB mouse even if the default was set to PS/2 | |
| 10:36 | <Gadi> if they are both the same device in 2.6, then we should remove the section
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| 10:37 | but, best to test the theory - remove the section, and see if you can plug in PS/2 or USB and have both work
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| 10:38 | <erikyy> gadi: i now added X_USBMOUSE_DEVICE="/dev/null" to my default section and everything works like a charm
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| 10:40 | * bintut is sleepy already.. :( | |
| 10:41 | * bintut must go to sleep.. later.. | |
| 10:41 | * bintut waves.. thank you.. | |
| 10:41 | <bintut> bye for now jammcq..
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| 10:41 | bye all..
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| 10:42 | <erikyy> cool now all mouse is autodetected! even mouse wheel !
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| 10:46 | <erikyy> thanks for all your help and for ltsp ;)
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| 10:46 | gn8
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| 11:13 | <cliebow_> Gadi:might i have a short audience?
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| 11:13 | <jammcq> cliebow_: you have something against tall people?
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| 11:14 | <cliebow_> yeah..thry got no reason to live
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| 11:18 | if i wanted to step thrua perl prog by inserting a return or an exit stop...die..croak ewass..what?
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| 11:20 | <Gadi> heh, I am definitely a short audience
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| 11:20 | you can always exit out of a perl proggy
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| 11:20 | <cliebow_> break?
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| 11:21 | <Gadi> exit should work
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| 11:21 | <cliebow_> ill try again
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| 11:22 | premature end of script headers..
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| 11:22 | cgi
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| 13:06 | <mathisdt> hi! I have a problem with my LTSP-4.2 system, perhaps you have heard of something similar and can help.
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| 13:06 | my setup: 1 server, 1 client, all worked fine, even ESD was doing the expected, but then with no obvious reason I logged into Gnome (using GDM) and my session went as far as the mouse cursor turned gnomish, but then the screen went black and I saw the GDM login prompt again. This happened with one of my user account some weeks ago, so I used the other one on the LTSP client, but now also that account shows the same behaviour. I haven't ch
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| 13:08 | <cliebow_> do you have a homedir?
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| 13:09 | <mathisdt> yes, my user account was working with LTSP for months, but now it shows this strange behaviour
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| 14:23 | <linescanner> Hi guys. Anyone give me some advice on scaling an LTSP server/servers to provide 350 concurrent sessions to windows terminal servers via rdp
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| 14:34 | <sbalneav> Betcha you end up needing more WIndows servers than LTSP servers :)
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| 14:34 | Other than that, don't spare the bandwidth.
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| 14:41 | <linescanner> Got 4 8GB Sun X4100 running the windows
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| 14:41 | should do OK :)
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| 14:42 | All rooms have about 30 machines and a gig connection back to the core stack
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| 14:42 | One 4GB X4100 should be enough for the LTSP ??????
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| 14:42 | <Gadi> linescanner: are you just using LTSP to boot an rdesktop screen_script, or are you launching rdesktop from a Linux desktop?
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| 14:43 | <linescanner> Gadi: rdesktop screen script. No Linux just yet :(
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| 14:43 | <Gadi> in that case, you could prolly use much less than 1 server
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| 14:43 | its basically a fileserver at that point
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| 14:43 | or a "boot appliance", if you will ;)
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| 14:44 | <linescanner> cool. I will look at 1 X2100
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| 14:44 | Gadi: Tell me more :)
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| 14:44 | <Gadi> lol
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| 14:44 | <linescanner> will one of you boxes do the trick ?
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| 14:45 | <Gadi> we usually limit the boxes to a classC for booting (ie ~250 max connections) just to be sane against boot storms
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| 14:46 | <linescanner> sure
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| 14:46 | <Gadi> when you get to lots of simultaneous boot requests, you can get into issues with the burst of traffic
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| 14:46 | just something to look out for
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| 14:47 | there's nothing wrong with having a different number of boot boxes than app servers
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| 14:47 | <linescanner> Thanks for that. I have a couple of full Linux LTSP systems running with between 100 and 250 clients hanging off them. Network overheads are something to look at
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| 14:48 | <Gadi> do those clients all boot up at once?
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| 14:48 | <linescanner> Pretty much :)
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| 14:48 | <Gadi> do you ever have clients that dont get a kernel on the first try?
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| 14:49 | <linescanner> only one of two that have really crappy old network cards
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| 14:49 | <Gadi> ah, good
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| 14:49 | that usually indicates you have good switches/wiring
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| 14:49 | <linescanner> Oh yes!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 14:50 | Found that out the hard way ;)
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| 14:50 | <Gadi> how many LTSP boxes do youhave distributing the load over the 100-250 units?
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| 14:50 | <linescanner> We work on about 35 clients to 1 4GB application server
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| 14:50 | runs full kde
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| 14:50 | <Gadi> ah, so you have a bunch
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| 14:51 | <linescanner> one runs 8 App servers and the other I think is at 10
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| 14:52 | <Gadi> yeah, so no worries of boot storms anywhere, because you broke down the booting into smaller chunks
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| 14:52 | it changes a bit if you plan to boot all 250 off of 1 box
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| 14:53 | and have them all boot up at once
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| 14:53 | <linescanner> they do. We only run 1 dhcp/ltsp unit with one in reserve
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| 14:54 | the others are just X servers
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| 14:54 | <Gadi> oh...
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| 14:54 | <linescanner> I don't think we could push it any more.
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| 14:54 | We are at the limit on the 250 set up. Futher expansion will nedd another boot server
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| 14:55 | <Gadi> but, its prolly not so much the hardware of the server as it is the network capacity
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| 14:55 | * Gadi imagines | |
| 14:57 | <linescanner> Yeah, you got have good network. The customers have fibre everywhere.......On our insistence
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| 14:58 | as you know, this doesn't go well over crap networking
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| 15:03 | <linescanner> Gadi: What is the cost of your box in proper money (£)
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| 15:03 | <Gadi> lol
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| 15:03 | we dont deal in proper money ;)
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| 15:04 | <Gadi> only green money
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| 15:04 | :)
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| 15:04 | <linescanner> :) or proper English
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| 15:04 | <Gadi> eh - who am I kidding
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| 15:04 | <Gadi> I'll take whatever ya got
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| 15:04 | <linescanner> hehe
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| 15:04 | <Gadi> our MSRP price list is on our home page
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| 15:04 | www.thesymbiont.com
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| 15:04 | <linescanner> ta
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| 15:05 | you got a uk distributor ?
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| 15:05 | <Gadi> more than that, I defer to someone in the non-technical arm of the company ;)
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| 15:05 | we have a UK VAR, but Im not sure when the last I heard his name mentioned - so my guess is he's not too active
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| 15:07 | <linescanner> I will have a good look at your stuff later. They look nice. Punters like shiny boxes :)
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| 15:09 | can we come through you to buy or do we have to via the UK VAR ?
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| 15:10 | <BilboFett> good afternoon
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| 15:11 | anyone know a way I can see how long a yum update took yesterday? I need to estimate how much time to do the same run on my 2nd server so I can time the reboot
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| 15:11 | ?
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| 15:12 | <Gadi> linescanner: you can come through us
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| 15:12 | or, if you have a VAR you work with, have him contact us
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| 15:12 | <linescanner> Gadi: Ta. Can you confirm that USB hot plug works to RDP
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| 15:13 | <Gadi> works for me! :)
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| 15:13 | <linescanner> Cool. Download you stuff the other day but have not had time to look at it yet
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| 15:13 | <BilboFett> 2nd question: is there a command line I can type to see which version of fedora I'm using?
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| 15:13 | <linescanner> downloded even
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| 15:13 | I'll get it right in a minute :)
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| 15:14 | <Gadi> linescanner: feel free to email me offline about anything
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| 15:14 | <BilboFett> nm on 2nd q
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| 15:14 | <linescanner> Gadi: Cheers. The project is a little way off yet, but I want to look at options
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| 15:14 | <Gadi> Cheers Cheers
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| 15:15 | * Gadi loves saying Cheers | |
| 15:15 | <linescanner> Gadi: Got to chuck in a bunch of Solaris server for Tarantella and Sun Ray first
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| 15:15 | <BilboFett> did you guys know Gadi is my bro from a different mo?
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| 15:16 | <Gadi> heh, hey BilboFett
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| 15:16 | <BilboFett> greetings :)
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| 15:16 | <Gadi> Cheers
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| 15:16 | <BilboFett> Gadi, any way I can tell how long that giant yum update took me yesterday? I want to do it to server-B but time it just right so the reboot happens when teachers are dismissing their classes..
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| 15:17 | <Gadi> hmm... is there a yum log in /var/log ?
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| 15:18 | or perhaps it just sends it to your syslog (/var/log/messages to you ;) )
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| 15:18 | have a look for both
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| 15:18 | <linescanner> Gadi: Cheers for your time
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| 15:19 | <Gadi> linescanner: and Cheers to you and yours for yours and such
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| 15:19 | Cheers
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| 15:19 | <linescanner> hehe
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| 15:19 | <Gadi> I bet I would get beaten up in the UK
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| 15:19 | a lot
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| 15:19 | <linescanner> It's an American thing :)
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| 15:19 | <Gadi> specially if I say "Cheerio"
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| 15:19 | I know
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| 15:20 | <linescanner> You can't help it....Look at your Boss man
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| 15:22 | * linescanner offends all Bush voters | |
| 15:22 | <Gadi> heh
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| 15:24 | <linescanner> Night guys. Time to kick the kids and put the cat to bed
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| 15:24 | or something like that
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| 15:24 | <Gadi> heh, nighty night
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| 15:24 | <BilboFett> yum makes its own log in /var/log/yum.log and timestamps it
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| 15:24 | awesome
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| 15:25 | <BilboFett> except its just logging for me what it updated.. it didn't show when yum started, etc. So I need to see if I can find how long all the updates took to donwload as well
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| 15:26 | I think it updated 240 things and it took 15 minutes to update all those; but that isn't accounting for the download time
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| 15:29 | Gadi, I never received an email from your company. BTW
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| 15:30 | <Gadi> really?
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| 15:30 | * Gadi wonders if you've got us blocked | |
| 15:30 | <BilboFett> no
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| 15:31 | because I received yours
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| 15:31 | remember?
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| 15:31 | <Gadi> can we try again, just to be sure?
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| 15:31 | <BilboFett> yes
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| 20:21 | <jammcq> hello there kids
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| 20:37 | <chupacabra> hi
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| 20:41 | <jammcq> Scottttt Teeeeeeee !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 20:41 | <sbalneav> Evening all
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| 20:41 | Hey jammcq!
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| 20:41 | <jammcq> chupacabra: hey buddy
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