IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 5 June 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:53 | <fossala> I have my server and my test thin client. I took peoples advice and went all gigabit. Switch is going to arive over the next couple of days. My last question is my ethernet cables are cat5e, is it worth to buy some cat6?
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| 03:51 | <muppis> fossala, at least for server.
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| 03:54 | I don't think you got 1 Gbps at clients, so that not so crucial.
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| 03:56 | <Hyperbyte> Cat5e supports gigabit at full speed doesn't it? I thought Cat6 was only more shielded.
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| 03:56 | <muppis> IIRC, yes.
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| 03:58 | <Hyperbyte> Hm, apparently Cat6 also has less latency
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| 04:14 | <muppis> I switched back to thin. Lot faster for loading.
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| 04:19 | <fossala> muppis: thanks
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| 06:56 | <TheMatrix3000> need help
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| 06:57 | my ltsp clients are in a Received DHCP NAK
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| 06:57 | Sending discover loop
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| 07:40 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: distro/version?
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| 07:42 | <TheMatrix3000> 10.04
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| 07:42 | i remember you helped me before but i did a kernal update and lost my config
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| 07:43 | i need to have the quiet splash removed from the pxelinux.cfg/default right?
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| 07:43 | * ball guesses that's an Ubuntu number. | |
| 07:43 | <TheMatrix3000> nope, didn't fix it
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| 07:43 | im getting a Sending discover Sending select Recieved DHCP NAK look
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| 07:43 | loop
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| 07:44 | let me pastebin the files
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| 07:44 | one sec
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| 07:44 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: a quick fix is to put ipappend 3 at a new line in the end of pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 07:44 | <TheMatrix3000> yea, its there
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| 07:44 | didn't work
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| 07:44 | <alkisg> It doesn't make sense, you're missing something
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| 07:44 | ipappend 3 means: "don't ask the dhcp server"
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| 07:45 | So there's no way he'd receive a nak for that
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| 07:45 | Can you paste your pxelinux.cfg/default ?
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| 07:45 | (in pastebin)
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| 07:45 | <TheMatrix3000> :/opt/ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.cfg/default http://pastebin.com/LRGdnueq
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| 07:46 | <alkisg> Not that one
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| 07:46 | /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 07:46 | <TheMatrix3000> k
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| 07:46 | i was going to give you all of them
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| 07:46 | to check for me
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| 07:46 | <alkisg> And also, you don't have "ipappend 3" on the file you just pasted
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| 07:46 | <TheMatrix3000> i know i removed it from that one lol
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| 07:48 | <TheMatrix3000> http://pastebin.com/avnYxpJN
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| 07:49 | <alkisg> OK. Now after all those naks, do you get a busybox shell on the client?
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| 07:49 | <TheMatrix3000> i may have fixed it
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| 07:49 | <alkisg> Ah ok
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| 07:49 | <TheMatrix3000> its setting up ltsp client starting ltsp client
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| 07:49 | <alkisg> Right it's past the dhcp stage
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| 07:49 | <TheMatrix3000> i may need to put quiet back into that one file right
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| 07:49 | which one should i put it on so that these configs don't change again
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| 07:50 | <alkisg> quiet splash is just for the splash screen
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| 07:50 | It doesn't make an actual difference, it's just for effect, you can either put them or leave them, however you like
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| 07:50 | <TheMatrix3000> should i copy the /var/lib one to the opt/ltsp one
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| 07:50 | or does it not matter
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| 07:50 | <alkisg> See comment #13 in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nbd/+bug/420587
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| 07:50 | It explains how to make your changes permanent
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| 07:51 | I.e. in /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
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| 07:51 | <TheMatrix3000> ah ok
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| 07:51 | yea, i saw that
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| 07:51 | i was going to post that on pastebin as well
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| 07:52 | actually it was ltsp-update-image.conf
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| 07:52 | <alkisg> Uh sorry wrong link
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| 07:53 | <TheMatrix3000> http://pastebin.com/8kNn2wkQ
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| 07:53 | like that for teh ltsp-update-image.conf
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| 07:53 | right
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| 07:54 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: IPAPPEND=3
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| 07:54 | You forgot the equal sign
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| 07:54 | (it's different there, it's a shell file)
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| 07:54 | <TheMatrix3000> good catch
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| 07:55 | and i just did a sudo cp /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/pxelinux.cfg/default
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| 07:55 | so that everything matches up
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| 07:55 | <alkisg> OK - ltsp-update-image --force would have done that too, but what you did was faster.
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| 07:55 | <TheMatrix3000> so next time to do a ltsp-update-kernel it won't rewrite my files right
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| 07:55 | <alkisg> Right
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| 07:55 | <TheMatrix3000> seriously, i hope you get paid to help people in this chat room
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| 07:55 | <alkisg> Nope :)
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| 07:56 | <TheMatrix3000> cause it seems that you are god in here lol
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| 07:57 | <alkisg> Haha nah lots of people here are more knowledgable - I just talk more :D
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| 07:58 | <TheMatrix3000> yea, all this started when i basically decided to chroot dist-upgrade
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| 07:58 | lol
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| 07:58 | you helped me getting it working before
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| 07:58 | <alkisg> It shouldn't be a problem, you just hit a bug with udhcpc which was solved later on
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| 07:58 | <TheMatrix3000> but doing teh dist-upgrade overwrote the changes
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| 08:03 | eek, now i can't login
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| 08:03 | no bueno
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| 08:04 | says Verifying Password. Please wait. then reloads the inital screen
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| 08:04 | <andygraybeal> do you have to do the ssh-key update thingie?
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| 08:05 | pay no attention to me thuohg!
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| 08:06 | <TheMatrix3000> lets try it
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| 08:08 | <TheMatrix3000> yep
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| 08:08 | andy that worked
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| 08:09 | i thought that was just after you changed the server ip address
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| 08:09 | didn't know that also applied to ipappend
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| 08:09 | <Gnoze5> YELLOW!
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| 08:09 | :)
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| 08:35 | <andygraybeal> hi Gnoze5 :)
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| 08:36 | TheMatrix3000, oh dood, awesome! i'm glad i could help
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| 08:37 | i'm never very helpful :)
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| 09:40 | <Gnoze5> So im trying to get x11vnc to work client side on 10.04
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| 09:40 | installed it on chroot, changed rc.local to make it run on display 6
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| 09:40 | updated the image
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| 09:41 | and I get the failed to load display error
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| 09:42 | XOpenDisplay failed (:6)
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| 09:42 | <alkisg> So before going down that path, did you try italc and it didn't work for you?
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| 09:42 | <Gnoze5> I did try iTalc on one of our ltsp installs
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| 09:43 | but i wasnt convinced especially because it wasnt very clear what was going on
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| 09:43 | and I wanted to understand
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| 09:43 | as well as be able to control it
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| 09:43 | because we want to build a web app to do the same sort of thing
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| 09:43 | using an html5+js VNC client
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| 09:44 | <alkisg> And also, if the person that needs vnc access also has root access, you can invoke x11vnc directly on the server, no need to install it to the chroot and have it waste ram all the time... is this the case?
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| 09:44 | I.e. how is the user going to "authenticate" for a vnc session?
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| 09:44 | <Gnoze5> yes, i dont want to be limited to one default setup
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| 09:44 | I want to test the different ways of having remote control
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| 09:45 | the purpose of remote control in our case is simply for help desk
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| 09:45 | and maybe to give training to future users
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| 09:45 | <alkisg> OK. Then, why isn't the default gnome vnc server enough? (vino-server)
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| 09:46 | <Gnoze5> tbh i was trying out x11vnc after i found out you were using it for your custom made app
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| 09:46 | I like to try different options out
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| 09:47 | <alkisg> We're not using x11vnc as a server
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| 09:47 | We're using reverse connections instead
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| 09:47 | That way we don't have to authenticate, the connection is initiated from the student environment
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| 09:47 | (even though that comes from the teacher GUI)
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| 09:48 | So the command is `x11vnc -connect teacher-pc`
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| 09:48 | <Gnoze5> I see
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| 09:48 | <alkisg> If you want a daemon, why not use the already existing gnome vnc daemon there?
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| 09:48 | <Gnoze5> that was my first thought
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| 09:49 | <alkisg> We wanted to save ram + avoid the authentication problem, so we're using reverse connections instead. And if vino-server supported reverse connections we'd use that, but it doesn't (yet)
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| 09:49 | <Gnoze5> the one person who we want to access the users shared desktop will be the sysadmin
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| 09:50 | <alkisg> Then he doesn't need a vnc server running at all
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| 09:50 | He can invoke a vnc server in the user's environment any time he wants to, as all the sessions are running on the server
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| 09:51 | <Gnoze5> in case I have decent clients though I could pass part of the load to the client
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> http://pastebin.com/aWASVFab
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| 09:51 | ltsp-exec: a script to execute a GUI command to all the connected users
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| 09:51 | Then use vino-server
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| 09:52 | (for fat clients. For localapps, the ltsp-exec script above should still work)
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| 09:53 | <TheMatrix3000> anyone know where i should look if i want to customize the boot splash
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| 09:53 | <Gnoze5> alkisg makes perfect sense.
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| 09:54 | once again, thanks for the help
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| 09:54 | <alkisg> np
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| 10:01 | <TheMatrix3000> alkisg, do you know how to change the splash screen on ubuntu in ltsp
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| 10:01 | <alkisg> TheMatrix3000: it's not ltsp related, ask in #ubuntu
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| 10:09 | <TheMatrix3000> alkisg, will i have to install it on the ltsp with chroot?
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| 10:09 | the gnome-splashscreen-manager
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| 10:09 | or just on the terminal server itself
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| 11:10 | <fossala> Has anyone managed to get dual monitors running?
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| 11:10 | <Hyperbyte> Yessir.
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| 11:10 | :)
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| 11:11 | <fossala> How hard is it? I have to normaly set modelines for my monitors to hit there native 1680x1050.
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| 11:13 | <pmatulis> fossala: if that's needed then you can do it on a client-by-client basis (in lts.conf)
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| 11:13 | <Hyperbyte> fossala, show output of xrandr
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| 11:14 | <fossala> I've not got it set up yet. Thats tomorrows job.
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| 11:45 | <fossala> Is there a place with ldm themes?
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| 11:51 | <vagrantc> a place?
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| 12:39 | <fossala> Sorry website with ldm themes?
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| 16:28 | <sunscreen> aha! here you are... i should of known :)
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| 16:28 | can I disabled the dhcp client some how?
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| 16:29 | <vagrantc> with LTSP? how would you configure the networking for the thin clients?
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| 16:29 | <sunscreen> bios pxe get the ip address
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| 16:29 | gets
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| 16:30 | <vagrantc> you can get it to only do DHCP once, and re-use the networking from the pxe client
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| 16:30 | <sunscreen> ah how how :) ?
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| 16:30 | <vagrantc> configure pxelinux to use IPAPPEND
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| 16:31 | <sunscreen> k /me looks it up
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| 16:32 | <vagrantc> see /usr/share/doc/syslinux/syslinux.txt.gz
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| 17:22 | <sunscreen> failed
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| 17:23 | IPAPPEND=3 BOOTIF=00:1e:0b:80:a3:09 should be correct yes?
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| 17:23 | and another issue i have is it wont let me login just says incorrect password..
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| 17:25 | <sunscreen> also this in syslog: Jun 6 01:18:48 audioprocessor dhcpd: No hostname for 192.168.1.100
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| 17:25 | Jun 6 01:18:48 audioprocessor dhcpd: DHCPDISCOVER from 00:1e:0b:80:a3:09 via eth0
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| 17:37 | <sunscreen> hmm
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| 17:37 | missing parameter
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| 17:59 | <sunscreen> kk :)
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| 17:59 | fixed the dhcp issue
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| 17:59 | now it just needs to let me login?
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| 18:02 | I did ltsp-update-sshkeys and update-image *which btw broked my pxelinux.cfg/default file
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| 18:02 | but i still cant login
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| 18:02 | the screen goes black like its going in but then returns back the login screen
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| 18:05 | actually its logged in but i get nothing!
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| 18:05 | i know its logged in because: Last login: Mon Jun 6 01:57:24 2011 from 192.168.1.209
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| 18:17 | <naughtyscreen> hehe
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| 18:17 | it works :D but not as we know it jimm
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| 18:18 | logged in as local root :[
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| 18:42 | <sunscreen> hmms
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| 18:42 | <sunscreen> i think its cause i am already on X as the user I am trying to log in with
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| 18:42 | going to confirmm
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| 18:45 | <test> Yay!!!!
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| 18:55 | <jobuntu> hi everyone. Using rdesktop works fine with RDP_* options, but can't reach windows login screen when using the one-liner command, eg SCREEN_XX = "rdesktop [OPTIONS] IP". The screen stays blank, with what looks like a windows mouse. Any ideas?
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| 19:47 | <sunscreen> ah damn it
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| 19:57 | <sunscreen> need help getting nvidia card to work right
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| 19:57 | wait
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| 19:58 | i just realized
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| 19:58 | its the card of the client that needs to work right
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| 19:59 | the buttons are got black backgrounds instead of transparent
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| 20:03 | + transparency not working with intel driver and LTSP
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| 20:03 | noooooooooooooooooooooo
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| 20:03 | whhhhy
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| 20:03 | why
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| 20:03 | oh why
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| 20:03 | :(
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| 20:03 | #$!"$!%$@#%
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| 20:10 | well i got far with it...only issue is that issue right there... but i am mad as a snake now.. i havd vbox setup for rdp not sure how to get to it from ltsp client but hey hey .. so now i going to have to replace 5 graphics cards cause of that bull crap
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| 20:10 | suddenly saving of terminal server got shafted
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| 20:50 | <alkisg> jobuntu: distro/version?
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| 20:50 | <jobuntu> ubuntu 11.04
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| 20:51 | <alkisg> Hmmm there was a problem with rdesktop.sh missing, but it should be there in 11.04, so no it's not that.
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| 20:51 | <jobuntu> yeah, it's there. even tried editing it directly, but still no luck
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| 20:52 | <alkisg> But if RDP_OPTIONS is working, why do you need to specify it in a one-liner?
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| 20:54 | <jobuntu> alkisg: I need multiple rdesktop connections
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| 20:54 | Is there another way to do it?
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| 20:55 | <alkisg> I don't think so... let me quickly check the sources for possible bugs...
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| 20:56 | Yeah no parameters are passed to rdesktop.sh
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| 20:57 | In /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/rdesktop
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| 20:57 | xinit $xinitrc sh /usr/share/ltsp/rdesktop.sh -- ${DISPLAY} vt${TTY} ${X_ARGS} -br >/dev/null 2>&1
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| 20:57 | Try changing that to:
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| 20:57 | xinit $xinitrc sh /usr/share/ltsp/rdesktop.sh "$@" -- ${DISPLAY} vt${TTY} ${X_ARGS} -br >/dev/null 2>&1
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| 20:57 | And run sudo ltsp-update-image
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| 20:58 | If that works, file a bug report in launchpad
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| 21:00 | <jobuntu> grrr, been looking through that code for too long, can't believe I didn't see that. rebuilding img now... that's probably it, thx so much
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| 21:00 | perfect
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| 21:02 | <alkisg> It seems to have broken in revision 1760, when rdesktop.sh was introduced: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/1760
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| 21:03 | So probably 10.10 is also affected
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| 21:05 | <jobuntu> alkish: it's already on launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/682706
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| 21:05 | they're using the "single word" positional parameters ($*) vs $@
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| 21:07 | <alkisg> jobuntu: if you want also mark it "also affects distribution: ubuntu" and mention the revision where it broke
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| 21:07 | <jobuntu> will do
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| 21:07 | <alkisg> ("$@" is better than "$*", it allows spaces in the command line parameters but shouldn't matter so much here)
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| 21:10 | sunscreen: why not just install the nvidia drivers in the chroot?
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| 21:12 | <jobuntu> alkisg: done. thx heaps
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| 21:12 | <alkisg> You're welcome
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