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Channel log from 29 July 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 03:39 | <jonkke> Hi
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| 03:39 | does anyone know how to get local_apps work in xfce4 wm?
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| 03:40 | firefox works as local_app fine when i choose gnome session, but on xfce4 i can't get it to work as local
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| 03:46 | forget that... i just got it workin by myself... so usual that i search for answer for long time and when i ask someone about it, then i solve problem on my own.
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| 03:47 | ltsp-localapps [application] was answer
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| 04:11 | <ogra> http://blogs.arm.com/smart-mobile-devices/first-taste-of-an-arm-powered-netbook-and-its-good/
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| 04:11 | * ogra dances | |
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| 04:25 | <vagrantc> someone here has a pink arm netbook
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| 04:25 | <ogra> yeah, NCommander told me :)
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| 04:26 | i saw it on computex videos already
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| 04:26 | vagrantc, btw, ncommander has his babbage board with him, find him and you can test ltsp ;)
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| 04:28 | <vagrantc> ogra: thanks for the tip
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| 04:36 | <ogra> vagrantc, what the heck is insserv ?
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| 04:36 | * ogra reads the mail from Andre Majorel on ltsp-discuss | |
| 04:38 | <vagrantc> ogra: some init ... replacement? tweak? not exactly sure.
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| 04:38 | <ogra> weird
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| 04:38 | <vagrantc> ogra: ah, it tweaks init scripts to run using LSB dependency headers... i think
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| 04:38 | well, tweaks the init system to order them in that way
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| 04:38 | <ogra> i thought debian wanted to move to upstart as well
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| 04:38 | * vagrantc doesn't follow all the details | |
| 04:39 | * ogra just read a report about the combined ubuntu/debian init system sprint a while ago | |
| 04:40 | <vagrantc> ogra: the craziest thing i've heard this debconf is the release team's talk ... planning to freeze this december.
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| 04:40 | <ogra> haha
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| 04:40 | is vorlon still RM ?
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| 04:40 | <vagrantc> no
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| 04:50 | <ogra> vagrantc, heh, so you found him :)
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| 04:51 | <vagrantc> ogra: not in person yet ... just in irc :)
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| 04:52 | <ogra> ah
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| 05:51 | <ogra> vagrantc, why do you set disable-shm in your patch ?
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| 05:51 | it is already set on the pulse cmdline
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| 05:52 | <vagrantc> ogra: because i forgot to test without it ... i remembered thinking that myself
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| 05:52 | ogra: currently building an arm LTSP for a sheevaplug
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| 05:53 | <ogra> heh
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| 05:53 | with what graphics driver ?
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| 05:53 | <vagrantc> no graphics driver!
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| 05:53 | <ogra> lol
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| 05:53 | <vagrantc> actually, i should remember to just to ltsp-client-core ... install would go a lot faster
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| 05:54 | * ogra was always wanting one of these USB->VGA adapters | |
| 05:54 | <vagrantc> yeah, heard about those ... sound crazy.
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| 05:54 | <ogra> oh, another thing i was wondering, what is the --kernel-packages commandline option ? isnt that just resembling --late-packages ?
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| 05:55 | <vagrantc> ogra: well, it overrides the autodetection of the kernel
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| 05:55 | <ogra> given that --late-packages was initially designed to install the kernel package
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| 05:55 | ah
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| 05:55 | <vagrantc> if --kernel-packages is set, don't bother to figure out what kernel to use ... but yeah, it's basically just added to late-packages
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| 06:53 | <highvoltage> vagrantc: are you applying for DD status?
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| 07:05 | <Blinny> drunk and disorderly?
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| 08:05 | <pmatulis> why is -updates (sources.list) not a default in the client chroot?
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| 08:08 | <ogra> isnt it ? i thought we added it in jaunty
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| 08:08 | <pmatulis> no
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| 08:11 | <alkisg> pmatulis: did you use the alternate cd for installation, or did you manually call ltsp-build-client?
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| 08:12 | <ogra> pmatulis, right, ltsp-trunk/server/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/010-manage-mirror agrees with you ...
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| 08:12 | * ogra thought he saw a patch from stgraber fly by | |
| 08:12 | <pmatulis> manually but i'm pretty sure the initial cd didn't set it up either (could be wrong)
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| 08:12 | <ogra> that plugin needs massive love for security too
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| 08:13 | its all hardcoded debian stuff
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| 08:13 | <alkisg> pmatulis: I think it copies the server's sources.list, so updates are enabled by default
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| 08:13 | <ogra> pmatulis, the CD enforces --copy-sourceslist
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| 08:13 | right
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| 08:13 | CD installs just clone what the server has
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| 08:14 | vagrantc_, that ltsp-build-client output in Bug#539116 looks weird, i wonder what shell and what locale he uses
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| 08:15 | Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=en_US (charmap=ISO-8859-1)
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| 08:15 | hmm, might be an UTF-8 prob
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| 08:16 | why the heck do people still use ISO-8859-1 today ...
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| 08:16 | should be forbidden
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| 08:17 | <vagrantc_> ogra: sure looked weird to me...
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| 08:18 | <ogra> well, its either UTF-8 related, his TERM variable might affect it or he uses something broken like tcsh
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| 08:47 | <bengreen_> hey all
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| 08:47 | we've got a debian sid install here, can't seem to get NFS share from /opt/ltsp to mount
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| 08:47 | anyone experiencing same?
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| 08:47 | NFS is usually so solid
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| 08:48 | also the client is looking for nbi.img and it doesn't exist
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| 08:49 | but that's kind of secondary since NFS won't mount
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| 08:49 | <ogra> nbi.img is a red herring :)
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| 08:50 | <bengreen_> cheer ogra
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| 08:50 | cheers ogra
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| 08:50 | <ogra> thats just because the initramfs sees it ...
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| 08:50 | <bengreen_> sees it?
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| 08:50 | <ogra> if you are at the mounting stage you already had a PXE boot
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| 08:50 | <bengreen_> indeed we have
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| 08:50 | yeah, it's fine up until that point
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| 08:51 | <ogra> did you check your nfs setup on the server ?
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| 08:51 | <bengreen_> exports looks fine, but on the server it won't mount either
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| 08:51 | * ogra hasnt used nfs in a long time | |
| 08:51 | <ogra> ubuntu uses nbd by default so i never had to :)
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| 08:52 | <bengreen_> but surely the / is still mounted over NFS
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| 08:52 | <ogra> sounds definately like a server prob
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| 08:52 | not on ubuntu
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| 08:52 | no nfs involved at all
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| 08:52 | its way to slow
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| 08:52 | <bengreen_> nbd is purely for the swap isn't it
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| 08:52 | <ogra> in debian, yes
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| 08:53 | <bengreen_> ltsp-5.1 - I thought they took most of that from Ubuntu and modded it
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| 08:53 | seems that it's forked considerably then
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| 08:53 | <ogra> well, we develop together :)
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| 08:53 | <bengreen_> :)
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| 08:53 | <ogra> its not one takes from the other, its a collaborative way of doing things
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| 08:53 | <bengreen_> okay
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| 08:54 | <ogra> debian decided to stay with nfs ... offering nbd as an optional thing
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| 08:54 | <bengreen_> I guess I thought that as Ubuntu kicked it all off
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| 08:54 | <ogra> ubuntu decided to move forward with nbd offering nfs as an optional thing :)
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| 08:54 | right, it was kicked off in ubuntu, but development was always done with debian developers involved too
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| 08:55 | from the very beginning
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| 08:55 | * ogra points to vagrantc_ who nowadays does more maintenance than himself | |
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| 08:55 | <ogra> and development :)
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| 08:56 | <bengreen_> well it's an NFS problem I'm having, so should look at NFS folks I guess, was wondering if any had had similar experiences
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| 08:56 | <ogra> bengreen_, well, make sure you can mount /opt/ltsp via nfs locally first, if that works ltsp will work as well
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| 08:58 | <bengreen_> ogra, I've been a right plonker, portmap is configured to bind only to 127.0.0.1
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| 08:59 | <ogra> heh
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| 08:59 | <bengreen_> a quick dpkg-reconfigure and they're booting
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| 08:59 | <ogra> thats a security feature i'd say :)
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| 08:59 | though that default should be preseeded properly by ltsp-server then
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| 08:59 | vagrantc_, ^^^
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| 09:02 | <bengreen_> I have a boot client that can't run LDM now
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| 09:04 | <vagrantc_> hrm?
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| 09:04 | bengreen_: you get all the luck
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| 09:04 | <bengreen_> :)
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| 09:05 | I'm fairly please to have got this far TBH
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| 09:05 | <bengreen_> first try with LTSP-5
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| 09:05 | <vagrantc_> bengreen_: xserver-xorg-video-vesa has been broken in sid for a long time ... do you think it's using vesa?
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| 09:05 | <bengreen_> we've been using 4.2 here for ages
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| 09:05 | could be vagrantc_
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| 09:06 | I'll have look
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| 09:06 | <vagrantc_> ah, maybe it finally got fixed
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| 09:07 | <ogra> vagrantc_, what i meant was the default of portmap listening on loopback only
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| 09:08 | <vagrantc_> ogra: hmmm... wonder when that changed
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| 09:08 | <matttttt> i was asking yesterday about how much data is sent over the wire from power on to ldm login screen per client, i used iptraf under lan station monitor and watched the mac of my client, looks like only 1.5m to the login screen, my image is about 160m. can that be right? is that the right way to measure it?
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| 09:09 | <ogra> matttttt, ubuntu ?
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| 09:09 | <vagrantc_> matttttt: sure. it only downloads parts of the image it actually uses
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| 09:09 | <matttttt> ogra: opensuse
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| 09:09 | <ogra> ah, well, using nbd as well then
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| 09:09 | yes, thats right
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| 09:09 | <vagrantc_> though 1.5M seems small
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| 09:09 | <matttttt> seemed small to me too.
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| 09:09 | <ogra> nfs will be a bit more
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| 09:09 | <vagrantc_> i'd expect more like 10-20M
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| 09:09 | <matttttt> i did it a few times, came up with about the same numbers
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| 09:10 | <vagrantc_> i mean, the X binary itself is larger than that
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| 09:10 | even compressed
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| 09:10 | <ogra> yeah, sould be arther around 10M
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| 09:10 | *rather
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| 09:10 | <vagrantc_> well, i managed to get a kernel network booting on this sheevaplug, but i can't figure out how to load an initramfs
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| 09:11 | <matttttt> well any suggestions on a different method of measuring? i'm stumped.
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| 09:11 | i need to give our network guys some rough number for this so they'll calm down
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| 09:12 | <ace_suares> hey ogra vagrantc_ you know what is fun too? I f you have the server sources.list using ssh
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| 09:12 | <ace_suares> i have local repo and use ssh with sshkeys on the server to get to another server
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| 09:12 | ltsp-buildclient goes along with it fine until it switches to the chroot
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| 09:13 | first it doesnt have the same /etc/hosts so 'bika' is unknown :-)
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| 09:13 | <cyberorg> matttttt, try iptraf
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| 09:13 | <ace_suares> then also, the chroot doesnt have the ssh keys needed to login to the other srerver
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| 09:13 | he he
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| 09:13 | <ogra> vagrantc_, yeah, arm is fun, what bootloader is that ?
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| 09:13 | <cyberorg> oh you already tried that
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| 09:13 | <ogra> ace_suares, write a plugin that copies them
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| 09:14 | <ace_suares> yeah i will ogra after the wiki clean up
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| 09:14 | <matttttt> cyber, that's what i'm using. i'm under 'lan station monitor' - power on the client, and then take the total bytes for the clients mac after it's sitting at login screen.
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| 09:14 | *shrug*
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| 09:14 | * ace_suares estimates in 2020 | |
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| 09:14 | <cyberorg> matttttt, run iptraf on the ltsp server, monitor it from there
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| 09:14 | <matttttt> that's what i'm doing
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| 09:14 | <vagrantc_> ogra: uboot
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| 09:15 | ogra: any clues?
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| 09:15 | <cyberorg> matttttt, just the initrd is 11M + about 4M kernel
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| 09:16 | <ogra> vagrantc_, http://www.klc.net.nz/linux/?page_id=10 ?
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| 09:17 | vagrantc_, fatload ide 0 a1000000 uImage; && fatload ide 0 a2000000 ramdisk.img
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| 09:17 | he calls it ramdisk.img, but it should be essentially the same
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| 09:17 | <vagrantc_> sounds like that's loading from the local disk...
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| 09:17 | <ogra> you might need to adjust the memory address and what device you load from
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| 09:18 | <alkisg> matttttt: give iftop a try
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| 09:18 | and make sure to monitor the correct nic, e.g. iftop -i eth1
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| 09:22 | <ogra> vagrantc_, ah, martin, always helpful http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/unpack.html
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| 09:23 | setenv bootargs_root 'root=/dev/sda1 rootdelay=10'
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| 09:23 | setenv bootcmd_usb 'usb start; ext2load usb 0:1 0x0800000 /boot/uInitrd; ext2load usb 0:1 0x400000 /boot/uImage'
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| 09:23 | setenv bootcmd 'setenv bootargs $(console) $(bootargs_root); run bootcmd_usb; bootm 0x400000 0x0800000'
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| 09:23 | saveenv
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| 09:23 | there you go
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| 09:24 | <ogra> you are lucky they use uboot ...
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| 09:24 | apex and redboot are a massive pain
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| 09:28 | * vagrantc_ still hasn't found anything to load initramfs over the network ... | |
| 09:28 | <vagrantc_> i guess just build a custom kernel with NFSROOT support
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| 09:28 | <ogra> oh, network
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| 09:28 | <vagrantc_> heh :)
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| 09:32 | <ogra> just put initramfs and kernel on usb
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| 09:32 | and follow the howto
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| 09:33 | <vagrantc_> ogra: suppose so.
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| 09:33 | ogra: seeing the kernel boot and kernel panic seems so close ... seems perplexing that it's so difficult to load initramfs
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| 09:36 | <bengreen__> I'm getting an error when upgrading the ltsp chroot here
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| 09:36 | <ogra> are you sure the sheeva uboot has support for the NIC builtin ?
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| 09:36 | <bengreen__> "Service mountvirtfs has to be enabled to start server ltsp-client-setup"
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| 09:37 | <vagrantc_> ogra: it downloads the kernel.... it just can't mount the root filesystem
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| 09:38 | <vagrantc_> bengreen__: try squeeze, or delve into the new init system just uploaded to sid
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| 09:38 | <ogra> vagrantc_, well, then just load the initramfs with the same command you issues to get the kernel
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| 09:38 | <bengreen__> vagrantc_, which init system?#
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| 09:38 | I have inserv installed
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| 09:38 | insserv
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| 09:38 | <vagrantc_> bengreen__: that's the one
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| 09:38 | <ogra> vagrantc_, important is that you load your initramfs to 0x0800000
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| 09:39 | <bengreen__> that's what's producing the error vagrantc_
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| 09:39 | <vagrantc_> bengreen__: yes, and i'm saying debug it, or stop using it
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| 09:39 | bengreen__: it's unstable.
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| 09:39 | bengreen__: it's broken.
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| 09:39 | <bengreen__> okay
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| 09:39 | aparently so
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| 09:39 | <ogra> if you loaded your kernel to 0x400000 the bootm command is then: bootm 0x400000 0x0800000
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| 09:39 | <vagrantc_> bengreen__: either fix it, or use something else
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| 09:39 | <ogra> that should execute both, kernel and initramfs
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| 09:39 | <vagrantc_> ogra: ah!
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| 09:39 | <dark4og> Is there any way to RDM with Mac? (to a LTSP Server)
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| 09:41 | <vagrantc_> ogra: that's it!
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| 09:42 | <ogra> ;)
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| 09:42 | <vagrantc_> it's stalling on dhcp ...
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| 09:42 | <ogra> no NIC driver in the initramfs ?
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| 09:43 | <vagrantc_> seems to be...
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| 09:43 | [ 21.410000] eth0: link up, 100 Mb/s, full duplex, flow control disabled
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| 09:43 | <ogra> hmm
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| 09:43 | <vagrantc_> ah, it's using the hard-coded addresses
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| 09:43 | <ogra> heh
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| 09:44 | <vagrantc_> not from dhcp...
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| 09:44 | <ogra> ipconfig misbehaving ?
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| 09:44 | <matttttt> ok well looked at the interface stats on the cisco switchport, it's pulling more like 38m
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| 09:47 | <vagrantc_> ogra: GAH. now it won't get dhcp ... it's using the second ethernet from the Marvell prompt
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| 09:50 | * vagrantc_ resets it with setenv | |
| 09:51 | <vagrantc_> gah. i forgot to set the serial console
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| 09:53 | <dark4og> Currently running LTSP 5 with 8 Thin Clients attached to a Dell 2850 Dual Xeon 2.2 gig 1 gig ram Gig Lan, The CPU is getting wooped up on! Running Firefox, Evince and OOo, it the RAM that should be pumped up?
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| 09:53 | <moldy> dark4og: probably, 1 gib is very low
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| 09:54 | <dark4og> K Thx..
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| 09:54 | <alkisg> dark4og: check the ltsp docs for LDM_DIRECTX
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| 09:54 | That's the major cpu hog.... Performance vs security
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| 09:55 | <moldy> dark4og: i have a similiar network, my server has 4 gib ram. if all clients are online, 2-3 gib are in use, usually.
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| 09:55 | <dark4og> moldy: Thanks for the heads up..
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| 09:55 | * vagrantc_ tries with hard-coded networking information | |
| 09:56 | <dark4og> alkisg: will look into the LDM_DIRECTX
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| 09:56 | <moldy> dark4og: you could use free -m to check how many swap is in use
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| 09:56 | s/many/much
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| 09:57 | <vagrantc_> aha! it's booting!
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| 09:57 | <dark4og> moldy: total used free shared buffers cached
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| 09:57 | Mem: 1010 935 75 0 5 167
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| 09:57 | -/+ buffers/cache: 762 248
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| 09:57 | Swap: 2957 947 2010
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| 09:58 | * ogra applauds vagrantc_ | |
| 09:58 | <moldy> dark4og: yeah, ram is your problem
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| 09:58 | <dark4og> moldy: Thanks
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| 09:58 | <alkisg> dark4og: http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#id2699167
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| 09:58 | <moldy> dark4og: you're using almost 1 gib of swap... that's a performance killer for sure
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| 09:59 | get at least 2 gib, better 4
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| 10:00 | <dark4og> moldy: What is too much?
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| 10:00 | <moldy> ?
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| 10:01 | <dark4og> moldy:Ram.. I have a 16gig ram server we just purchased... I think we will go live with it this weekend
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| 10:01 | <moldy> dark4og: ah, ok
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| 10:02 | for ~10 clients with typical desktop usage (firefox, openoffice and the like), 4 gib is enough, in my experience
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| 10:02 | <dark4og> moldy: I was just wondering if we needed to work on some application issues, will be using the current one as a redundent back up
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| 10:04 | moldy: Got it, 4 gib will level them out.
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| 10:05 | <root> Gadi:Go time for a quick ?
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| 10:06 | <Gadi> Guest85529: you're not an undercover cop posing as a prostitute, are you?
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| 10:06 | <alkisg> Heh
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| 10:06 | <Gadi> narc
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| 10:06 | <Guest85529> if one can ping a machine via an vpn why would net::ping always give a positive reaction even if host is down?
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| 10:06 | <Gadi> :P
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| 10:07 | now you sound like confucious
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| 10:09 | Guest85529: so, you have a VPN established.... you ping an IP address with no response... but, perl's Net::Ping gives you a positive result?
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| 10:10 | is that the question on the table?
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| 10:10 | <vagrantc_> ogra: the bulk of the ugliness was dealt with by your qemu-arm-eabi ...
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| 10:10 | <ogra> :D
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| 10:11 | its really time qemu-arm-static comes along
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| 10:11 | and qemu-mips-static and qemu-ppc-static :)
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| 10:12 | <vagrantc_> ogra: well, i'll work on that now.
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| 10:12 | <vagrantc_> ogra: i mean, i grabbed qemu 0.11.0-rc0 and built static packages out of it ... but really it should be done with multiple passes in the regular qemu sources
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| 10:12 | <ogra> yeah
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| 10:12 | <Guest85529> Gadi:that was me that asked that dumb question
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| 10:13 | <ogra> we'll definately have it in ubuntu if debian doesnt come up with it before
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| 10:13 | <Guest85529> oh crap..i am not me
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| 10:13 | <ogra> i'll put some time into it
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| 10:13 | <cliebow> ?
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| 10:13 | <vagrantc_> ogra: and i also credit you for the magic trying to figure out how to load this stuff ...
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| 10:13 | ogra: basically, it requires two separate build directories ... one for static, and one for dynamic builds ...
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| 10:14 | ogra: simplest way, though klunky, would be to copy the whole source tree into a sub-dir and doing the build there.
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| 10:15 | <ogra> vagrantc_, are you actually working on a debian debdiff (you sound like it)
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| 10:16 | <vagrantc_> ogra: i've been looking at it, yes.
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| 10:16 | * vagrantc_ runs off to a talk | |
| 10:16 | <vmlintu> Has anyone ever done kernel debugging through serial port?
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| 10:16 | * ogra hugs vagrantc_ | |
| 10:17 | <vagrantc_> ogra: the two members of the debian qemu team are looking for help...
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| 10:18 | <ogra> two ?
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| 10:18 | <vagrantc_> yes
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| 10:18 | <ogra> i thought i saw something like ten in the uploaders list in the package
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| 10:18 | <Gadi> vmlintu: http://geco.phys.columbia.edu/~jrollins/howtos/serial_console.html
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| 10:19 | (if thats what ur after)
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| 10:19 | <vagrantc_> ogra: http://packages.qa.debian.org/q/qemu.html lists 3, but josh just resigned in svn.
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| 10:19 | <ogra> bah
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| 10:19 | <cliebow> Gadi:any comments on my question posed as an undercover prostiturte dressed as a policeman?
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| 10:19 | or policeperson
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| 10:20 | <Gadi> hehe - cliebow, did I rephrase correctly?
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| 10:20 | <cliebow> sure did!
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| 10:21 | <Gadi> are you sure that you are using Net::Ping correctly? did you test on a local IP that is down?
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| 10:21 | <cliebow> yes
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| 10:21 | <Gadi> so, it is only one on the other side of the VPN that is down but Net::Ping thinks is up
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| 10:21 | <vmlintu> Gadi: I'm gearing up to do some debugging on thin client that freezes randomly and I've been reading tutorials, but probably there are some caveats I should know before I head to store to get some usb-serial adapters
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| 10:22 | <Gadi> vmlintu: get a serial null cable
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| 10:22 | er, null modem cable
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| 10:22 | <ltsppbot> Someone pasted "#!/usr/bin/perl #Version000-5" (32 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/458
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| 10:22 | <Gadi> don't go crazy with USB->serial
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| 10:23 | <vmlintu> The thin client has a serial port, but none of my other boxes do..
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| 10:23 | <cliebow> Gadi i pasted..not positive this is the final
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| 10:25 | <vmlintu> Should I try to find a box with serial port instead of using a usb-serial-adapter?
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| 10:25 | <ogra> usb-serial usually is no prob
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| 10:27 | <Gadi> cliebow: ah - Net::Ping uses tcp by default, rather than icmp
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| 10:27 | <ogra> but get different serial cables and gender changers, somethines the real serial ports are picky
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| 10:27 | <Gadi> cliebow: see what you get with: my $p=Net::Ping->new("icmp")
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| 10:27 | that should be equivalent to ping from cli
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| 10:27 | * ogra wonders who had the insane idea to make a ping command default to tcp | |
| 10:27 | <cliebow> wow..i'll give that a whirl
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| 10:28 | <rjune_wrk> that's neat.
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| 10:28 | <ogra> must be perl :)
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| 10:28 | <rjune_wrk> they're insane anyway
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| 10:28 | perl, the only language where being drunk makes the code more readable
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| 10:28 | <cliebow> works for me!
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| 10:29 | <vmlintu> ogra: you mean not getting a null-modem cable but a normal serial cable + gender changer?
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| 10:29 | <ogra> more readable doesnt mean you understand it though :)
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| 10:29 | vmlintu, i would get a bunch ... null modem, serial, gender changer along with the usb-serial
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| 10:29 | <Gadi> cliebow: you can also use "external" if it is installed on your system, which should use the external ping command
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| 10:30 | <cliebow> ok cool
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| 10:30 | <Gadi> see: http://perldoc.perl.org/Net/Ping.html
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| 10:30 | <vmlintu> ogra: ok, I'll check what they have.. the hard locks on the thin client are driving me crazy..
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| 10:31 | <cliebow> That works just fine i think..you ARE the man!
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| 10:32 | <bengreen__> right, we've got some stuff booting here
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| 10:33 | up to X, but were using a Lenny client build, with a sid server
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| 10:33 | can't log in, just says "Verifying password, please wait..."
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| 10:34 | is that what I should expect?
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| 10:37 | <alkisg> bengreen__: try ltsp-update-sshkeys
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| 10:37 | <bengreen__> oh, got some stuff in the logs then
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| 10:37 | cheers alkisg
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| 10:41 | <bengreen__> alkisg, not working, still just pauses
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| 10:42 | <alkisg> Pauses? Doesn't restart ldm?
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| 10:42 | <ogra> your ssh server is running ?
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| 10:42 | <bengreen__> yeah, eventually
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| 10:42 | yeah, eventually it restarts ldm
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| 10:43 | * bengreen__ blushes | |
| 10:43 | <bengreen__> no it wasn't not idea why
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| 10:45 | <bengreen__> cheers alkisg I now have a fully working setup
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| 10:46 | first ltsp5 install done!
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| 10:46 | <alkisg> That would be "cheers ogra" :)
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| 10:46 | <bengreen__> cheers alkisg ogra_ vagrantc_ and anyone else who I've forgotten helped :)
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| 11:40 | <Ahmuck> i'm getting squash errors
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| 11:41 | rather than pumpkin
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| 11:41 | <bieb> still having some client connectivity issues. I have the server connected to Active Directory... the client gets the login screen, enter login info.. "No Response from Server. Restarting" it doesn't matter how I enter the info... username , domain\username , username@domain what should I check next? Would tcp dump provide any help on this one??
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| 11:42 | <Ahmuck> squash errors on logout
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| 11:44 | <vagrantc_> ok, almost ready to tag ltsp-5.1.79...
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| 11:45 | although it's perplexing why 5.1.77-1 hasn't yet migrated to squeeze/testing ... i'd hate to slow that hitting testing
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| 11:50 | <Ahmuck> having sound issues. switched from pulseaudio to alsa i think, and still having sound issues
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| 11:53 | * alkisg wonders why the nouveau drivers need dkms installed in the chroot, while non of the other drivers need it... | |
| 11:54 | <johnny> huh.. it shouldn't need dkms..
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| 11:54 | only closed drivers should need it iirc?
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| 11:54 | is it distributed outside of the kernel source in ubuntu version you have?
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| 11:55 | that's what dkms is needed for
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| 11:55 | <alkisg> Yes, but I don't know why
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| 11:55 | <johnny> because it wasn't in the kernel for your version? :)
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| 11:55 | <alkisg> Maybe because it's somekind of beta?
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| 11:55 | <johnny> that's my guess
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| 11:55 | well there ya go.. thats a reasonable reason to use dkms
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| 11:55 | <alkisg> Hm... so it'll be fine once it's stable, I guess
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| 11:56 | <alkisg> No problem then (I was worried :))
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| 11:56 | <johnny> well.. that's the packagename?
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| 11:57 | <alkisg> xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
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| 11:57 | I think it'll be the default nvidia driver in Karmic..
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| 11:57 | (and that's a *really* good thing for thin clients)
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| 12:03 | <johnny> no.. you don't need dkms for xserver-org drivers
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| 12:03 | alkisg, it might just be that ubuntu always installs it by default now
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| 12:04 | if you don't have any other packages with nouveau in the name
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| 12:04 | and you didn't accidentally install the nvidia drivers :)
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| 12:06 | <alkisg> Well, dkms *does* compile the nouveau drivers while booting...
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| 12:06 | lemme check the deps...
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| 12:06 | <johnny> it ain't compiling xorg drivers..
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| 12:07 | it must be something else
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| 12:07 | and that would be annoying on a terminal wouldn't it :)
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| 12:07 | <alkisg> Yup, it is :)
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| 12:09 | <alkisg> That's the one: alkisg@alkis:~$ apt-cache show nouveau-kernel-source|grep Depends
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| 12:09 | Depends: make, dkms, patch
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| 12:17 | <bieb> still having some client connectivity issues. I have the server connected to Active Directory... the client gets the login screen, enter login info.. "No Response from Server. Restarting" it doesn't matter how I enter the info... username , domain\username , username@domain what should I check next? Would tcp dump provide any help on this one??
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| 12:19 | <rjune_wrk> one of the logfiles / in /var/log should clue you in
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| 12:19 | you should be able to log in locally too. if you can't do that, you probably don't have the AD integration right
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| 12:20 | <vagrantc_> bieb: are you able to ssh to that machine as the same user?
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| 12:20 | <bieb> funny thing is it worked perfectly when the server was in my office.. now that I have moved it to the server room goofy issues
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| 12:22 | <bieb> vagrantc_: I will check that.. will that authenticate against AD?
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| 12:23 | <vagrantc_> bieb: well, if it doesn't, that's your problem, because LDM uses ssh to connect to the server.
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| 12:23 | <bieb> ok
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| 12:30 | vagrantc_: I can login in through ssh as a regular user, including an account the was just created in AD a week ago
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| 12:32 | <vagrantc_> bieb: look in the user's home directory for an .xsession-errors file in there ... see if there's anything in there suggesting what's wrong.
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| 12:33 | <matttttt> can directx and nxagent be used together?
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| 12:33 | directx just means no ssh wrapper for x, right?
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| 12:35 | <bieb> vagrantc_: no .xsession-errors in the new student account. In my account there is one, but no errors since the 23rd when I was doing other testing
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| 12:35 | <Ahmuck> that's confusing
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| 12:36 | shoulda named directx something else
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| 12:36 | <matttttt> ahmuck, am i correct in what directx is?
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| 12:37 | <vagrantc_> well, it still uses ssh for authentication, but otherwise the session goes unencrypted
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| 12:37 | <matttttt> right, ok.
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| 13:38 | <Lns> Would it be sane to request that the libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio be included with an LTSP server installation in Ubuntu? If you haven't all heard my relentless chatter already, this solves major issues regarding running SDL apps on thin clients.
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| 13:43 | <Q-FUNK> re
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| 14:04 | <bieb> vagrantc_: sorry.. I was afk
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| 14:29 | <coldfusion> hi, i'm using ltsp5 and i'm getting an error on boot of a client - 'mounting none on /newchroot failed: No such device'
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| 14:29 | i'm sure it's something simple
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| 14:29 | is it a kernel module or something that i'm missing?
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| 15:13 | <Ahmuck> i've got a problem where the thin client isn't exiting cleanly (?). upon logging back in, firefox is still open and won't open. the logout is not functioning properly it seems
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| 15:20 | <coldfusion> :(
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| 15:33 | <bieb> Has there been any dates set for BTS09?
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| 15:53 | <Ahmuck> oddly nuff, even a server reboot won't release firefox
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| 15:58 | <nubae> release? You mean kill the process?
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| 16:08 | <Ahmuck> yes
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| 16:09 | actually it appears the userspace is still mounted
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| 16:09 | as well
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| 16:10 | <coldfusion> heh, for _some_ reason, unionfs wasn't compiled in to the kernel :(
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| 16:10 | (i'm sure i'd done it! honest!)
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| 17:22 | <alumno08> hi
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| 17:22 | h ave a problem here
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| 17:23 | suddenly in some machines (or users), the theme failed and is the default theme instead, and the keyboard locales too
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| 17:39 | <alumno08> hey guys i really have a problem here
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| 17:40 | in some users i lost the keyboard locales configuration
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| 17:40 | is a ltsp system for learning and at this moment half of users cannot type well , help me please
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| 17:45 | <Ahmuck> somethings not right. went to sound and changed everything to "alsa". opened terminal and "alsamixer" but it shows pulseaudio, not alsa mixer
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| 17:47 | <alumno08> the theme and the keyboard layout was set to default unexpectedly and i cannot fix, help me please
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| 17:51 | help me please guys
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| 17:59 | <coldfusion> odd... i'm getting 'permission denied' errors while using these initscripts
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| 17:59 | i'm using unionfs
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| 17:59 | any ideas?
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| 18:06 | <coordinador> coldfusion, sorry
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| 18:07 | how can i change xorg configuration in boxes? since they set suddenly to default configuration, themes too
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| 18:13 | <coldfusion> dammit... so close to a working system too :(
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| 18:13 | hmm
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| 18:18 | <coordinador> damn help pls
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| 18:19 | <coldfusion> sorry, cant
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| 18:36 | <Ahmuck> k, i just tried to run a SDL app on the server and the sound was horrible, skipping, etc.
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| 22:00 | <supreme> hey
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| 22:00 | <coordinador> i hope you are not sleeping
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| 22:12 | <Ahmuck> us sleep !
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| 22:12 | i think i may have located some of my sound problems
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| 22:13 | nVidia Corporation CK804 - i think it's this chip. server side, not sure about client side
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| 22:13 | <coordinador> hey, i have a really weird problem
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| 22:14 | <Ahmuck> tell us
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| 22:14 | <coordinador> suddenly the keyboard layout and theme set with default configuration, and i cannot change back
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| 22:14 | simply the new config cannot take effect :/
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| 22:18 | i restarted the server, put the keyboard configuration directly into /etc/X11/xorg.conf , but nothing
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| 22:30 | <coordinador> any idea Ahmuck-Jr ?
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| 22:39 | somebody?
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| 22:57 | <coordinador> oh everybody is sleeping already
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| 23:14 | <coordinador> please guys
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| 23:33 | <Ahmuck> hi. does ltsp client use the video card of the client?
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| 23:40 | <coordinador> Ahmuck, yes but not too much, just to browse the graphics that server sends, i think
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| 23:42 | <Ahmuck> is the server sending graphics from it's video card?
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| 23:42 | <coordinador> no
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| 23:43 | i think videocard does nothing since nothing comes out from the videocard... (sorry for my english)
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| 23:50 | <class1> so, i've corrected sound on teh server, but i'm getting this http://pastebin.be/20076 on the client. however it doesn't happen all the time
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| 23:55 | <class1> k, autosensing jacks is causing the error i posted
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| 23:55 | speakers not pluged in
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| 23:56 | No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. - just lost sound
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| 23:59 | <class2> logging out and logging back in as another user doesn't fix the client. only a reboot will fix the client
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| 23:59 | so how do i find what sound card/video card the client thinks it's using?
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