IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 4 September 2019 (all times are UTC)
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| 17:29 | <Hyperbyt1> Hey alkisg... remember I told you about the freezing clients? I found out why they're freezing: running out of RAM.
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| 17:30 | Hyperbyt1 is now known as Hyperbyte | |
| 17:30 | <Hyperbyte> Which kind of annoys me... they have 4 GB ram, but they freeze out with 10-20 tabs open in a web browser. I really thought 4 GB was enough to handle that.
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| 17:53 | I wonder if there's any tricks to reduce fat client memory usage?
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| 17:58 | I do have 100+ GB diskspace available on the server... maybe I should just enable NBD swap?
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| 18:04 | <alkisg> (08:53:48 PM) Hyperbyte: I wonder if there's any tricks to reduce fat client memory usage? ==> this is the same as in any client, not specific to ltsp
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| 18:04 | nbd-swap => eh, ok, but local swap is a lot better
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| 18:05 | I think the best option is nbd-swap AND zswap, but it's in my todo to give it a check, as a heard lots of issues with low ram etc lately (again not specific to ltsp)
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| 18:17 | <Hyperbyte> I understand, but I don't have local storage on the clients.
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| 18:17 | <Hyperbyte> I could spend some money putting SSD's in for swap, but then I might as well just stick more RAM in.
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| 18:18 | <||cw> Hyperbyte: it all depends what's in those tabs. I have a handful that take 1/2 a gig or more, a a bunch under 100MB. heck adblock itself takes 300MB
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| 18:22 | * alkisg moved to ublock origin | |
| 18:22 | <alkisg> But yeah I think javascript made things 1000 times slower, so now we need 1000 times faster PCs, to do the same things we did in the past with C... :/
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| 18:30 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah, browsing web has become most intensive thing to do with a computer...
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| 18:30 | * MWALTERS admits... he used to be a front end dev | |
| 18:30 | <MWALTERS> well, "full stack" ;)
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| 18:31 | v8/js can be efficient
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| 18:31 | ...if the dev doesn't HORRENDOUSLY STUPID THINGS
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| 18:31 | * MWALTERS calms down | |
| 18:35 | <||cw> MWALTERS: heh, the react+node rewrite and refactor of an old php+jqueryui site I'm working on so far is a good 10 times faster
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| 18:40 | <MWALTERS> I was a jquery and then angular(2 at the time) dev mostly
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| 18:40 | mostly node and go for backend stuff
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| 18:41 | ng2 was HEAVY, but everything I was writing was for internal clients, so I knew the machine specs... "batteries included" was worth it... I was basically rewriting a bunch of MS access applications
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| 18:42 | it was a whole lot faster than ng1, though
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| 18:42 | at least once you had anything of any appreciable size
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| 18:42 | Golang is a joy to right though... it really makes you feel like you're writing C again... without like... shooting yourself in the foot constantly ;)
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| 18:42 | s/right/write
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| 18:45 | My boss was out the past two weeks... we have a home built system for case management... php... had to troubleshoot an issue with it... what a mess. I don't think I've hacked on PHP since hacking on phpBB back in like... 2004ish
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| 18:45 | 1,975lines this one file was D:
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| 18:45 | homebrew system copy and pasted together by people who aren't devs
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| 18:46 | one day I'll have the free time...
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| 18:52 | <||cw> best part is I wrote the php one, in 2012 I think, maybe older than that. and I've fixed a few bugs no one has reported as I inspect for refactor.
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| 18:52 | it's not a mess really as I did use objects and templates, but it is a bit unruly in some places
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| 18:53 | <MWALTERS> the whole "paradigm" of php just feels so... backwards now ;)
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| 18:54 | <||cw> biggest php file in it is 2885 lines, and no html in it, but does have a lot of multi-lined arrays for readability
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| 18:55 | <MWALTERS> yeah, this file I was trouble shooting was literally the same 10 lines of code, copy and pasted over and over to define variables in a template
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| 18:55 | I was so mad ;)
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| 18:56 | <||cw> this one really should have been 8 different files.
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