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| 10:13 | <tarzeau> https://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2017/Projects was there someone workinkg on that ltsp-manager thing ?
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| 10:13 | <alkisg> !ltsp-manager
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| 10:13 | <ltsp> ltsp-manager: LTSP Manager is a GUI tool that makes LTSP maintenance easy. It's the recommended way to install LTSP in common setups. More info: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Ltsp-manager
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| 10:13 | <alkisg> Yes, it's ready for testing :)
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| 10:13 | <tarzeau> i found the thing on launchpad, stone aged
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| 10:14 | Version 0.0.2-0ubuntu3 uploaded on 2007-09-30
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| 10:14 | but where can i download it? it's not on github.com
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| 10:15 | http://www.ltsp.org/download it's integrated into ltsp?
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| 10:15 | <alkisg> !ltsp-source
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| 10:15 | <ltsp> ltsp-source: at https://git.launchpad.net/ltsp/
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| 10:16 | <alkisg> No
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| 10:16 | It's in launchpad
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| 10:16 | <tarzeau> ltsp-manager is in launchpad?
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| 10:16 | in this !ltsp-source thing?
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| 10:18 | <alkisg> https://launchpad.net/ltsp-manager/
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| 10:18 | All the links for code, bugs etc are there
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| 10:19 | First link in the wiki page...
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| 10:20 | (01:14:26 PM) tarzeau: Version 0.0.2-0ubuntu3 uploaded on 2007-09-30 ==> where did you find that, so that we delete it?
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| 10:21 | (it was an old unrelated project with the same name)
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| 10:21 | Ah in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/ltsp-manager? OK this will be automatically deleted when precise gets deleted from launchpad, probably
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| 12:27 | <alkisg> !learn ltsp-manager-source as in https://git.launchpad.net/ltsp-manager
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| 12:27 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 20:30 | <bennabiy> alkisg: updated the wiki a little with a spelling correction
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| 20:30 | alkisg: on http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Ltsp-manager/User_accounts
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| 20:36 | <alkisg> bennabiy: err, thanks, but isn't that wrong NOW?
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| 20:36 | http://www.thefreedictionary.com/complains
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| 20:37 | vs http://www.thefreedictionary.com/complaint
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| 20:37 | I think I want the first one, the one I had there, isn't that right?
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| 20:37 | <bennabiy> not in english
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| 20:38 | <alkisg> Can you check those pages that I linked, and explain the difference to me?
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| 20:38 | <bennabiy> easy, you linked the verbs and in the sense it is used, you need a noun, which a complaint is
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| 20:39 | when someone complains, they have a complaint
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> Aaah verb vs noun!
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| 20:39 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> Got it, thank you!
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| 20:39 | <bennabiy> :)
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| 20:39 | Some time you will need to teach me a little greek ;)
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| 20:39 | <alkisg> Haha, ευχαρίστως!
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| 20:39 | "with pleasure" :)
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| 20:39 | <bennabiy> how is that pronounced?
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| 20:40 | <alkisg> euchareestos, with an accent in ee
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| 20:40 | Better, efchareestos
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| 20:40 | <bennabiy> change in tense?
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| 20:41 | <alkisg> No I got confused because eu in greek is pronounced ef sometimes, and I typed the same in english without thinking
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| 20:41 | <bennabiy> ah, so efcharEEstos?
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| 20:42 | <alkisg> Right!
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| 20:42 | So, were the docs useful at all?
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| 20:42 | <bennabiy> ch hard or like cheese?
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| 20:42 | <alkisg> it's soft, like h in heart
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| 20:42 | <bennabiy> Yes, I was very happy to see them. I think they need to be expanded, but a great starting point!
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| 20:43 | <alkisg> Cool :)
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| 20:43 | <bennabiy> thank you!
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| 20:43 | I do think it would be good to have a list for those a little more paranoid about their systems to see what all patching is taking place automatically
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| 20:44 | like a link to a list of things not patched upstream which the ltsp-manager fixes
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| 20:44 | <alkisg> The code is the best documentation! But seriously, little things are needed frequently, and it's hard to document all those little bugs in ubuntu/debian that need patching
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| 20:44 | The ltsp code is also full of such patches
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| 20:45 | <bennabiy> yes, I was more thinking since it was mentioned in the docs on http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Ltsp-manager/Initial_setup
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| 20:45 | <alkisg> E.g. 'in xorg < versionX, don't put -listen, in xorg > versionX, put -tcplisten" etc
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| 20:46 | The major difference is that ltsp manager patches the server file system, while the ltsp-client patches the client file system which is dynamic and changes are lost on shutdown
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| 20:46 | But even so, the patches are there, undocumented for ages... :)
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| 20:46 | Yes I mentioned the most important ones there, and I left out the little ones that weren't significant
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| 20:47 | It also depends on the distro/version/packages you have installed etc, we fix whatever we can depending on your setup
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| 20:47 | E.g. if you don't have network manager in ubuntu, you don't need its fixes
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| 20:47 | So they're not applied
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| 20:47 | If you don't have tilda (from mate), we don't divert it ,etc
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| 20:48 | <bennabiy> yes, I just was thinking of this " It finetunes some system configuration files to workaround known issues that are not yet solved in their respective packages." and also the reference to bad network-manager configs (as in, what is an example of those)
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| 20:48 | <alkisg> And most of the patches have been fixed in later versions of those applications
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| 20:48 | E.g. network manager stopped the bad design choice of ubuntu to spawn a dnsmasq
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| 20:48 | <bennabiy> I am sure I am probably the only one who would even think twice about it
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| 20:49 | <alkisg> So we just ignore a bad design choice that was there for a few years
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| 20:49 | It's all there in the code though, easy to read initial-setup.sh
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| 20:49 | less /usr/share/ltsp-manager/initial-setup.sh
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| 20:50 | Or e.g. tilda is no longer autostarted in newer mate version, like we already do for 16.04
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| 20:50 | <bennabiy> Even adding a note about where to look to see "under the hood" what is going on would be sufficient. Do you think that would be too much to add?
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| 20:50 | <alkisg> Ah sure, we can point them to the source
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| 20:51 | https://git.launchpad.net/ltsp-manager/tree/share/ltsp-manager/initial-setup.sh
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| 20:51 | <bennabiy> I know in the various Wiki entries for SmartOS, there is a lot that says look in the source, or man this etc, which allows people to know where to find more information about what is being run.
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| 20:51 | <alkisg> Be my guest, to put a link for that file there!
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| 20:55 | bennabiy: I have another question about english! In my example for the user accounts, I say "suppose we have 6 classes, a1, a2, b1, b2, c1, c2". Do you call those classes? And what is "a" called, "grade"?
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| 20:56 | <alkisg> I mean a school with 3 grades, and 2 classes for each grade, which sums up to 6 classes. But am I using the correct words there?
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| 20:56 | (e.g. high schools in greece have 3 grades, for ages 12, 13 and 14)
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| 20:58 | <bennabiy> Well, classes is used in high school primarily two ways. The broader sense is like the "class of 2017" meaning all students graduating in a certain year, but the same word is used for each individual course in the day ( math class etc)
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| 20:59 | <alkisg> Hmm I don't think those are suitable. In our case, "class of 2017" has e.g. 40 students, and they split up to 2 groups of 20 students each
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| 20:59 | Then each group gets taught the exact same lessons, except in different hours
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| 20:59 | <bennabiy> yes, that could be in a smaller school
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| 20:59 | yes
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| 20:59 | <alkisg> Would you call those groups "classes" then?
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| 20:59 | <bennabiy> so that is the broader general sense of class
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| 20:59 | <alkisg> It should be ok then, no need for major changes in the wiki :)
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| 21:00 | <bennabiy> class is that group of students all in the same grade
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| 21:00 | <alkisg> Nice
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| 21:00 | <bennabiy> classes are the individual sections of time of a specific course
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| 21:00 | so a teacher may teach 7 classes a day
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| 21:02 | I will look over that section one more time later (about to dive back into our deli again till 2AM here) if you can look over the way I put the link in
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| 21:02 | http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Ltsp-manager/Initial_setup
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| 21:02 | <alkisg> Cool, thanks!
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| 21:03 | <bennabiy> I am going to be gett ing a little more time for LTSP in a little while(hopefully in a couple months) which will be nice
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| 21:03 | * alkisg calls it a day and waves goodnight! :) | |
| 21:03 | * bennabiy waves | |
| 21:03 | <bennabiy> me too
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