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06:38 | <mealstrom> good morning, any ideas why Firefox(browser disk cache is off) opens web pages on disk-less thin clients(ubuntu 12.04 ) very slow compare to chromium?
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06:42 | <alkisg> Is the browser cache off because you are using some other caching mechanism like e.g. squid?
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06:45 | <mealstrom> alkisg: browser cache and disk cache is off at about:config
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06:45 | <alkisg> mealstrom: ok, but why?
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06:45 | That would slow your firefox unless you have other means to provide caching
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06:46 | <mealstrom> alkisg: ive tryed this to speed up webpage openning time. But with no luck. Home directories of users are on NFS server.
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06:46 | alkisg: even with cache speed is slow
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06:47 | <alkisg> mealstrom: then start with that question instead
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06:47 | So no, firefox by default isn't slower than chromium for my thin clients
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06:53 | <mealstrom> alkisg: ill try with clean install of Firefox.
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10:36 | <mealstrom> ive made clean install of firefox. cleared ~/.mozilla/ dir . Havent turned off cache. And FF works very slow compered to chromium. Thin client is diskless using ubuntu 12.04 . both FF and Chromium runs as local apps.
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10:37 | have to add there is no installed addons.
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12:31 | <tol> hi guys
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12:31 | anybody has an idea how to turn swap over nbd on
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12:32 | <alkisg> !lts.conf
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12:32 | <ltsp_> alkisg: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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12:32 | <alkisg> See NBD_SWAP there
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12:36 | <tol> alkisg: thanks, overlooked the ndbswapd -_-
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12:39 | <mealstrom> if all questions were like that one ...
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12:43 | <ogra_> you could set up the bot to filter all complicated ones ;)
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12:44 | <elias_a> alkisg: Are we chatting with Alkis or is this an Eliza-variant? :O
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12:45 | <alkisg> <typical response concerning teasing> <segfault at 0xdeadbeef>
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12:48 | <elias_a> :D
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12:49 | <tol> ok, several restarts later the NBD_SWAP is not working at all
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12:50 | i've read the man page and added the corresponding lines to the files, but my client still doesn't use it
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12:52 | <alkisg> tol: distro/version?
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12:53 | <tol> alkisg: Ubuntu 12.04, sorry should have said earlier
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12:53 | <alkisg> tol: put your lts.conf to pastebin
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12:57 | <tol> alkisg: http://pastebin.com/yPDqqpFB
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12:58 | <alkisg> tol: remove the nbd port, it's not used anymore
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12:58 | X_COLOR_DEPTH = 24 LOCALDEV=false => those are in one line?
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12:59 | <tol> alkisg: no
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12:59 | alkisg: messed up while copying :/
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12:59 | <alkisg> Also you don't need to specify NBD_SWAP_SERVER if it's the same as the LTSP server
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13:00 | <tol> alkisg: ok so only NBD_SWAP = TRUE is needed?
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13:00 | <alkisg> Yup
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13:01 | <tol> alkisg: ok, give me 5min to reboot and i'll tell you the results
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13:34 | <tol> alkisg: it doesn't work
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13:35 | <tol> alkisg: but i think today i dont have the time to do some more testing
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13:41 | <alkisg> tol: ok, come back when you have time
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15:30 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i was unable to get the pxelinux menus to recognize entries from included files... ugh.
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15:31 | <alkisg> I'm pretty sure it's doable... but I'm too deep into the "shared folders for schools" implementation atm to check :(
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15:32 | vagrantc: the menu directives are in pxelinux.cfg/default, right?
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15:32 | <vagrantc> yeah, i just went ahead and committed code that does the same old same old, but with more menu entries by default.
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15:32 | <alkisg> Not in the included files...
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15:32 | <vagrantc> alkisg: menu directives?
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15:33 | the "old" way just allowed you to specify "default menu" and it would generate a menu.
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15:35 | <alkisg> vagrantc: maybe pastebin the examples you're using? Just the pxelinux configuration files, not any source...
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15:38 | <vagrantc> alkisg: you don't have time for this :P
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15:38 | <alkisg> Yeah :(
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15:38 | <vagrantc> i'll keep pounding at it.
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15:39 | <alkisg> bindfs, symlinks, localapps_extra_mounts... chaos. But the user will just see symlinks under their Public/ directory for whichever shared folder they have access to.
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15:41 | <vagrantc> that sounds like magic
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15:43 | alkisg: for ltsp-pnp ... you think it would be crazy to export over NFS an aufs mount with the cleanup stuff run?
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15:44 | <alkisg> vagrantc: no, not at all
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15:44 | <vagrantc> that seems even simpler, in a way, than generating an NBD image
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15:44 | <alkisg> That'd allow instant testing, instead of having to wait for 10 minutes for ltsp-update-image to finish...
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15:45 | But for regular use, a compressed nbd file system is much better than NFS for fat clients
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15:45 | (faster)
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15:46 | In the future, when btrfs is in common use, we can use rsync to sync / with the generated image, and then do a btrfs snapshot, run cleanup in it, and export it via nbd
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15:46 | That'd be quite fast, almost instant for small updates
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15:49 | <vagrantc> sure
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16:16 | <alkisg> set -e; fun() { false; echo "Why is this printed?"; }; if fun; then echo "Can I make functions that are called inside 'if's return false on errors?"; fi
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16:16 | ...the answer to that question is "no, set -e is weird and unreliable" :(
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16:16 | <Hyperbyte> I have just found and fixed a bug in SFLphone. :-D
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16:16 | * Hyperbyte feels proud to have contributed some code to an open source project for a change | |
16:17 | <alkisg> Yey! May your next one be in LTSP :P
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16:17 | <Hyperbyte> Well it's LTSP-related actually!
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16:17 | Their softphone didn't work properly with remote pulseaudio servers... it fell back to alsa when pulseaudio wasn't running locally
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16:17 | So it worked fine a local app, but not really as a server app.
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16:18 | <alkisg> If the fix is outside the LTSP code, it's not an LTSP problem :P
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16:18 | <Hyperbyte> I didn't say that.
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16:18 | I said it's LTSP-related.
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16:19 | <vagrantc> ok, i've at least managed to hide the extensive list of kernels in a sub-menu now.
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17:24 | <vagrantc> wheee. ifcpu64 wasn't so hard after all ... course this does allow for the wrong kernels to end up in the wrong place...
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17:33 | and mostly fixed..
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17:45 | hrm. autodetect doesn't work with the menu
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17:45 | the way i implemented it
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18:16 | <vagrantc> oh, my includes had the wrong paths.
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18:32 | <vagrantc> alkisg: got includes working... it was just a path issue.
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18:32 | <alkisg> Go go vagrantc!
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18:32 | <vagrantc> alkisg: so now i'm wondering ... why multiple includes?
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18:32 | <alkisg> Multiple in what sense?
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18:33 | Per chroot, for ltsp-update-image?
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18:33 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ltsp, ltsp-other, memtest ?
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18:33 | er, ltsp-old, as you had called it
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18:33 | <alkisg> A user might want to hide some of those
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18:33 | <vagrantc> ah.
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18:33 | <alkisg> E.g. I want to allow localboot, others wouldn't
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18:33 | Others might decide that they don't want ltsp-other
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18:33 | <vagrantc> alkisg: it means more tftp calls each boot ... which isn't huge, but i was wondering why you might want to do it that way.
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18:34 | <alkisg> Hmm true
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18:34 | We could merge some of those
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18:34 | <vagrantc> yeah, i was thinking all the autogenerated stuff could just go in ltsp
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18:34 | alkisg: i've hidden them in sub-menus now
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18:35 | <alkisg> And memtest/localboot can go inside pxelinux.cfg/default
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18:35 | Although then memtest will only be checked for once
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18:35 | <vagrantc> yeah.
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18:36 | i didn't like it only being checked for once ...
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18:36 | <alkisg> Maybe we could make ltsp-update-kernels smarter so that it merges all the files into 1 file?
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18:37 | Meh /me needs to get back to shared-folders... :-/
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18:37 | <vagrantc> sure, sure. well, i've got the basic client-side implementation mostly done.
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18:44 | <alkisg> Ouch I was unmounting stuff while reading from </proc/mounts, and that caused my loop to miss a few entries... :(
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18:57 | <vagrantc> hrm... don't know how to set a menu default :(
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18:58 | there's no way that i can see to set a global menu default ... each stanza has it set individually
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18:58 | it used to just use whichever was the first entry
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18:59 | <vagrantc> maybe with includes it has a harder time determining the first entry
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19:00 | or the autodetect needs to not be in a submenu...
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19:04 | <alkisg> vagrantc: http://cyberorg.co.in/default
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19:05 | ONTIMEOUT kiwi-ltsp
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19:05 | It's respected by vesamenu/menu.c32 as well
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19:17 | <vagrantc> some features introduced only in "recent" versions of syslinux ... ontimeout is pretty old ... ui is pretty new.
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19:18 | i think if i use DEFAULT=menu and ONTIMEOUT=item_we_want_to_boot_by_default
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19:18 | that should be fairly backwards compatible and still work correctly.
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21:52 | <WaitiGer> hello can I get some informations about ltsp-cluster and debian wheeze here?
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22:00 | <vagrantc> it's a work in progress
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22:01 | but the progress is slow
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22:01 | not likely to see it included in wheezy by default
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22:02 | <vagrantc> the freeze for wheezy is this month, so we're getting close to the end for new features
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22:04 | WaitiGer: if you want to help with development, it might make it feasible for wheezy+1 or for wheezy-backports
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22:05 | <WaitiGer> I'm talkink about wheeze a1
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22:06 | I was talking about... sry :-)
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22:07 | <vagrantc> a lot of the code is already there in the ltsp side, but the ltsp-cluster parts aren't available in any version of Debian yet
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22:07 | <WaitiGer> where can i see the roadmap?
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22:07 | hm
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22:11 | <WaitiGer> so only ubuntu is supported?
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